Who made the better trade? (1 Viewer)

[weisguy0831]

Looking at the McGahee and Thomas Jones trades, which team do you think made out the best from an NFL standpoint?

 

[gocats]

Jets

Bills

Ravens

Bears

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Ravens

Jets

Bears

Bills

I think the Bills screwed the pooch. That third rounder they're getting this year is the fourth to last pick in the round, it might as well be a flipping fourth rounder. And the 7th rounder might as well be Mr. Irrelevent.

I think the Jets got a bargain from the Bears too.

The Bears have a very early second round pick now, and coupled with their late 1st rounder, they can move up and get an immediate difference maker at TE, or be patient and sit back and get (pick two) a solid offensive lineman, safety, wide receiver, outside linebacker or running back.

Marv Levy is standing their with his Depends around his ankles. The game of Musical Chairs with Running Backs has ended. The music stopped and there he stands with his pants down. Anthony Thomas is his running back? Sure he could pick up something off the scrap heap that remains, but Dominic Rhodes and Reuben Droughns ain't chopped liver. I think it's becoming clear with the departure of three cornerstone players for the Bills in McGahee, London Fletcher and Nate Clements - that Ralph Wilson doesn't want to spend the money necessary to continue building an NFL team.

 

[alg]

RavensJetsBears BillsI think the Bills screwed the pooch. That third rounder they're getting this year is the fourth to last pick in the round, it might as well be a flipping fourth rounder. And the 7th rounder might as well be Mr. Irrelevent.I think the Jets got a bargain from the Bears too.The Bears have a very early second round pick now, and coupled with their late 1st rounder, they can move up and get an immediate difference maker at TE, or be patient and sit back and get (pick two) a solid offensive lineman, safety, wide receiver, outside linebacker or running back.Marv Levy is standing their with his Depends around his ankles. The game of Musical Chairs with Running Backs has ended. The music stopped and there he stands with his pants down. Anthony Thomas is his running back? Sure he could pick up something off the scrap heap that remains, but Dominic Rhodes and Reuben Droughns ain't chopped liver. I think it's becoming clear with the departure of three cornerstone players for the Bills in McGahee, London Fletcher and Nate Clements - that Ralph Wilson doesn't want to spend the money necessary to continue building an NFL team.

I think you're absolutely right. That's why Buffalo only spent $75,000,000 on OL in FA. Ralph and Marv are holding out till they can move the team to Toronto. Then they can be reunited with Willis "The Best Back in Football" McGahee. Its all just a damn conspiracy.....

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Jets solved one of their biggest problems without losing any picks, they just swapped picks. Nice deal.

 

[ffwebster]

are you kidding, RAMS baby!

 

[Chase Stuart]

I think it comes down to who you think is better, McGahee or Thomas Jones. The Jets actually paid slightly more for Jones than McGahee.

I think Jones at his current salary is a better bargain than McGahee. McGahee is more style than substance, while Jones is the opposite.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Marv Levy is standing their with his Depends around his ankles.

 

[weisguy0831]

I think it comes down to who you think is better, McGahee or Thomas Jones. The Jets actually paid slightly more for Jones than McGahee.I think Jones at his current salary is a better bargain than McGahee. McGahee is more style than substance, while Jones is the opposite.

See, I'm not sure the Jets paid more for Jones. Yeah, a 2nd-rounder, but they only moved down 20 spots or so. The Ravens gave up 3 picks.

 

[beef]

I think it comes down to who you think is better, McGahee or Thomas Jones. The Jets actually paid slightly more for Jones than McGahee.I think Jones at his current salary is a better bargain than McGahee. McGahee is more style than substance, while Jones is the opposite.

See, I'm not sure the Jets paid more for Jones. Yeah, a 2nd-rounder, but they only moved down 20 spots or so. The Ravens gave up 3 picks.

those 20 or so spots are pretty big, imo. i think the guys in the 20-40 range could easily be interchangable.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Until this thing plays out you don't know who won - I'd like to think that both sides (all four teams) made out - which is the way trades are supposed to work out. Many people laughed at the Chargers after the Manning trade. Who's laughing now?

This was an interesting article in today's newspaper on the deal:

Two trades

It didn't seem like the Bears got much for Thomas Jones, as they moved up only 26 places in the second round, swapping their 63rd pick for the Jets' 37th. General manager Jerry Angelo said it was the best offer and the Bills' subsequent trade of McGahee to Baltimore confirmed it, as the Ravens gave up third- and seventh-round picks this year and a third next year.

These deals are more scientific than you may think. Most teams operate with a "trade chart" that assigns points to every draft choice. By one such chart, the Jets gave up 254 points to the Bears for Jones. Projecting the Ravens for the 29th spot in each round this year as well as next for purposes of comparison, they gave up 259 points to the Bills for McGahee.

 

[KING]

i like the bears trade.

jones will be 29 at the start of the season, and is coming off of 2 productive, but not stellar seasons. jones has always seemed like a player that could flame out, or flake out at any moment. the bears got 3 decent years out of jones. i'm sure thats more than they expected. they also already have a player in place, that should be at least equal in talent.

jumping from the bottom to the top of round 2 is huge. doing so without creating another need is a great trade.

 

[cobalt_27]

I think it comes down to who you think is better, McGahee or Thomas Jones. The Jets actually paid slightly more for Jones than McGahee.I think Jones at his current salary is a better bargain than McGahee. McGahee is more style than substance, while Jones is the opposite.

See, I'm not sure the Jets paid more for Jones. Yeah, a 2nd-rounder, but they only moved down 20 spots or so. The Ravens gave up 3 picks.

those 20 or so spots are pretty big, imo. i think the guys in the 20-40 range could easily be interchangable.

According to the Draft Value Chart, that movement is the equivalent of a 3rd round pick.Jets just raped the Bears on that one. Best deal of the year, bar none.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Loved the Jets trade. People don't realize that Jones should have 3 good years left. He has equivilant touches to Travis Henry and is only 28 years old. Behind that line, he could be GOLD JErry.

 

[Enigma or Loose Cannon?]

Bills

Bears

Jets

Ravens

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Jets

Ravens

Bears

Bills

 

[ravnzfan]

BillsBearsJetsRavens

have you hit your head?people are going crazy thinking the Bills jobed the Ravens outta 3 picks for McGahee---very low 3rd and 7th which is negligable this year--and a lower (we hope!) 3rd round pick from next year means the Ravens got a guy selected 22 overall 4 yrs ago for no more than a 90th+ selection---keep in mind they have uber comp picks comming the next 2 yrs (which can't be traded--ie "use 'em or lose 'em") means they owned picks from 07/08 that were expendable, as they'd never keep all the comp and regular draft picks anywayyour evaluation of this is bass-ackwards:RavensJetsBearsBills

 

[Bills Fan]

The reality is that McGahee will be (would have been) a restricted FA at the end of this year (2007), and there is little chance the Bills would have resigned him. With the 12th overall pick, they certainly can draft a RB. McGahee did not want to be in Buffalo and was wearing out his welcome. May the Ravens have taken one here? Maybe, only time will tell. One thing I can say is, that I think the Bills are better off without him.

 

[Gottabesweet]

It also stock piles the Bills picks. We can move up in the first with our 2nd and one of our thirds like we did last year. We also can move down etc.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Jets solved one of their biggest problems without losing any picks, they just swapped picks. Nice deal.

Yeah, it was basically a 3rd round pick in value. But, I would not pay Thomas Jones 5 mil a year, I think he is mediocre and has about the same talent as Ruben Drougnns; a weak starter or a very good backup. Therefore the Giants did better by giving up nothing for Drougns compared to what the Jets gave up.

 

[The Duff Man]

BillsBearsJetsRavens

have you hit your head?people are going crazy thinking the Bills jobed the Ravens outta 3 picks for McGahee---very low 3rd and 7th which is negligable this year--and a lower (we hope!) 3rd round pick from next year means the Ravens got a guy selected 22 overall 4 yrs ago for no more than a 90th+ selection---keep in mind they have uber comp picks comming the next 2 yrs (which can't be traded--ie "use 'em or lose 'em") means they owned picks from 07/08 that were expendable, as they'd never keep all the comp and regular draft picks anywayyour evaluation of this is bass-ackwards:RavensJetsBearsBills

Looking at where McGahee was drafted is useless. Charles Rogers was taken #2 overall. I guess the Lions would have been stupid to "settle" for two 3rds and a 7th for him. Whether the Ravens could afford the picks or not is also pointless. The Bills got good value for a RB who was a bust drafted at #22. The fact that the Ravens don't think he is a bust (for that high of a pick) is what let Buffalo make the deal.

 

[Enigma or Loose Cannon?]

BillsBearsJetsRavens

have you hit your head?people are going crazy thinking the Bills jobed the Ravens outta 3 picks for McGahee---very low 3rd and 7th which is negligable this year--and a lower (we hope!) 3rd round pick from next year means the Ravens got a guy selected 22 overall 4 yrs ago for no more than a 90th+ selection---keep in mind they have uber comp picks comming the next 2 yrs (which can't be traded--ie "use 'em or lose 'em") means they owned picks from 07/08 that were expendable, as they'd never keep all the comp and regular draft picks anywayyour evaluation of this is bass-ackwards:RavensJetsBearsBills

You are telling me Magahee has accomplished something in the league?

 

[Liquid Tension]

BillsBearsJetsRavens

have you hit your head?people are going crazy thinking the Bills jobed the Ravens outta 3 picks for McGahee---very low 3rd and 7th which is negligable this year--and a lower (we hope!) 3rd round pick from next year means the Ravens got a guy selected 22 overall 4 yrs ago for no more than a 90th+ selection---keep in mind they have uber comp picks comming the next 2 yrs (which can't be traded--ie "use 'em or lose 'em") means they owned picks from 07/08 that were expendable, as they'd never keep all the comp and regular draft picks anywayyour evaluation of this is bass-ackwards:RavensJetsBearsBills

You are telling me Magahee has accomplished something in the league?

Well in his 3 years of playing he has averaged more than 1100 yards on the ground. That is not great, but it is an accomplishment when you consider how bad at run blocking his OL was. He is also only 25 years old basically the same age as Portis and Ronnie Brown while being younger than Vernand Morency and Tatum Bell.

 

[ImTheScientist]

BillsBearsJetsRavens

have you hit your head?people are going crazy thinking the Bills jobed the Ravens outta 3 picks for McGahee---very low 3rd and 7th which is negligable this year--and a lower (we hope!) 3rd round pick from next year means the Ravens got a guy selected 22 overall 4 yrs ago for no more than a 90th+ selection---keep in mind they have uber comp picks comming the next 2 yrs (which can't be traded--ie "use 'em or lose 'em") means they owned picks from 07/08 that were expendable, as they'd never keep all the comp and regular draft picks anywayyour evaluation of this is bass-ackwards:RavensJetsBearsBills

You are telling me Magahee has accomplished something in the league?

Well in his 3 years of playing he has averaged more than 1100 yards on the ground. That is not great, but it is an accomplishment when you consider how bad at run blocking his OL was. He is also only 25 years old basically the same age as Portis and Ronnie Brown while being younger than Vernand Morency and Tatum Bell.

True, but none of those RB's had the same knee injury as McGahee.

 

[boubucarow]

Until this thing plays out you don't know who won - I'd like to think that both sides (all four teams) made out - which is the way trades are supposed to work out. Many people laughed at the Chargers after the Manning trade. Who's laughing now?

This was an interesting article in today's newspaper on the deal:

Two trades

It didn't seem like the Bears got much for Thomas Jones, as they moved up only 26 places in the second round, swapping their 63rd pick for the Jets' 37th. General manager Jerry Angelo said it was the best offer and the Bills' subsequent trade of McGahee to Baltimore confirmed it, as the Ravens gave up third- and seventh-round picks this year and a third next year.

These deals are more scientific than you may think. Most teams operate with a "trade chart" that assigns points to every draft choice. By one such chart, the Jets gave up 254 points to the Bears for Jones. Projecting the Ravens for the 29th spot in each round this year as well as next for purposes of comparison, they gave up 259 points to the Bills for McGahee.

Not exactly Grid. The "trade chart" would count a 3rd round pick next year as a 4th round pick this year. So, according to the chart, the Bears came out ahead of the Bills by a significant margin if you assume Jones = McGahee. John Clayton has the numbers at 280 points for Jones and 180 points for McGahee.

 

[FUBAR]

The "trade chart" would count a 3rd round pick next year as a 4th round pick this year.

Does it? Some FF leagues operate this way, but does the NFL?

 

[boubucarow]

The "trade chart" would count a 3rd round pick next year as a 4th round pick this year.

Does it? Some FF leagues operate this way, but does the NFL?

Yes, the "trade chart" that it seems every NFL uses counts a pick in the next year a round later for its value. It is like having $100 today is worth more than being given $100 a year from now.

 

[PMENFAN]

I think it comes down to who you think is better, McGahee or Thomas Jones. The Jets actually paid slightly more for Jones than McGahee.I think Jones at his current salary is a better bargain than McGahee. McGahee is more style than substance, while Jones is the opposite.

See, I'm not sure the Jets paid more for Jones. Yeah, a 2nd-rounder, but they only moved down 20 spots or so. The Ravens gave up 3 picks.

I'm thinking the Jets. They gave up like 1/2 to 2/3 of a 2nd rounder for Jones. It's like the old days of trading cards, but they took the gum out first. It's not Marshall Faulk idiocy from the Colts, but close.

 

[switz]

BillsBearsJetsRavens

have you hit your head?people are going crazy thinking the Bills jobed the Ravens outta 3 picks for McGahee---very low 3rd and 7th which is negligable this year--and a lower (we hope!) 3rd round pick from next year means the Ravens got a guy selected 22 overall 4 yrs ago for no more than a 90th+ selection---keep in mind they have uber comp picks comming the next 2 yrs (which can't be traded--ie "use 'em or lose 'em") means they owned picks from 07/08 that were expendable, as they'd never keep all the comp and regular draft picks anywayyour evaluation of this is bass-ackwards:RavensJetsBearsBills

Says a Ravens Fan Reality is McGahee never turned out to be the stellar RB he was prior to his knee injury in college. Right now he is terrible overrated, as Anthony Thomas performed just as well last season. Both would be backups to whichever RB the Bills draft (as it seems that's their plan) and McGahee was not a good character/team guy. The Ravens may get a decent runningback, but the Bills will be better off as a team from the trade IMO.

 

[Traders2001]

BillsBearsJetsRavens

have you hit your head?people are going crazy thinking the Bills jobed the Ravens outta 3 picks for McGahee---very low 3rd and 7th which is negligable this year--and a lower (we hope!) 3rd round pick from next year means the Ravens got a guy selected 22 overall 4 yrs ago for no more than a 90th+ selection---keep in mind they have uber comp picks comming the next 2 yrs (which can't be traded--ie "use 'em or lose 'em") means they owned picks from 07/08 that were expendable, as they'd never keep all the comp and regular draft picks anywayyour evaluation of this is bass-ackwards:RavensJetsBearsBills

Says a Ravens Fan Reality is McGahee never turned out to be the stellar RB he was prior to his knee injury in college. Right now he is terrible overrated, as Anthony Thomas performed just as well last season. Both would be backups to whichever RB the Bills draft (as it seems that's their plan) and McGahee was not a good character/team guy. The Ravens may get a decent runningback, but the Bills will be better off as a team from the trade IMO.

Yeah Right McGahee would be back up to the RB the Bills will select in the first round , unless they pick Peterson . Even Thomas wont be back up to anyone except Peterson in this draft it s not a good draft for RBs at all.

 

[switz]

BillsBearsJetsRavens

have you hit your head?people are going crazy thinking the Bills jobed the Ravens outta 3 picks for McGahee---very low 3rd and 7th which is negligable this year--and a lower (we hope!) 3rd round pick from next year means the Ravens got a guy selected 22 overall 4 yrs ago for no more than a 90th+ selection---keep in mind they have uber comp picks comming the next 2 yrs (which can't be traded--ie "use 'em or lose 'em") means they owned picks from 07/08 that were expendable, as they'd never keep all the comp and regular draft picks anywayyour evaluation of this is bass-ackwards:RavensJetsBearsBills

Says a Ravens Fan Reality is McGahee never turned out to be the stellar RB he was prior to his knee injury in college. Right now he is terrible overrated, as Anthony Thomas performed just as well last season. Both would be backups to whichever RB the Bills draft (as it seems that's their plan) and McGahee was not a good character/team guy. The Ravens may get a decent runningback, but the Bills will be better off as a team from the trade IMO.

Yeah Right McGahee would be back up to the RB the Bills will select in the first round , unless they pick Peterson . Even Thomas wont be back up to anyone except Peterson in this draft it s not a good draft for RBs at all.

With the way McGahee perfromed last year, either Peterson or Lynch would pretty much be handed the job ahead of him. I'm pretty confident Levy knows what he's doing...