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who should the pats take w/the #1 pick in the draft? (1 Viewer)
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benson_will_lead_the_way
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check back in 3 months cuh
ThePittbully
Footballguy
They wont have the #1 but, Glenn Dorsey
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
If the Pats get a high pick -- and it looks like they will -- they will try their best to trade down.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
overrated
Browns Rule!
Footballguy
Whose pick do they have?
The 49'ers!
pettifogger
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49ers traded first pick next year to move up and take Joe Thomas in the low first round this year. They were not planning to be so bad, obviously. It's a little surprising to me that it was not conditional on being out of the top five or ten picks.
shadyridr
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Joe StaleyAnd I agree, it was a good move at the time. Stupid to say in hindsight they shouldnt have done it cuz nobody expected them to be this bad.
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twitch
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Ive been on the James Laurinaitis bandwagon for a while now. They need some younger guys at ILB. I think this is it for Bruschi. But tonite on ESPN2, you can watch Miami/Virginia and Chris Long( Howie Long's kid) . He'll be playing right DE for Virginia, and he may be a Belichick kindof defender. I dont think he'll size up as a 3-4 DE, more of a Vrabel type OLB, but he's pretty good. That kid's got some serious skills, and he's been carrying a pretty mediocre team on his back all year. He's something like 6-4 and 270ish. He's playing with his hand down, but he's more athletic than that. He'll turn and cover on occasion. I think SF's pick may be top 5, so if that's the case you'll hear alot of talk about McFadden, but I dont see that happening. I just dont see them taking an young offensive player in the top 5.
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pettifogger
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Sorry, brain cell misfired. You are right of course.
Bossman
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As a Pats fan, this makes for great scoreboard watching:
1) root for the Patriots
2) root against the 49rs
3) root for anyone with a worse record than the 49rs (MIA, STL)
I'd be tickled if they ended up with a top 5.
It's almost a lock they would trade down and pick up an extra pick this year or next.
1) root for the Patriots
2) root against the 49rs
3) root for anyone with a worse record than the 49rs (MIA, STL)
I'd be tickled if they ended up with a top 5.
It's almost a lock they would trade down and pick up an extra pick this year or next.
The Pats will never ever ever ever take a LB with a pick that high. Ever. (edited to say during the BB/Pioli era)
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eom
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they should definitely be top 5.
sf will keep losing, st louis will get a little healthier and win a couple -- hopefully beating sf, miami has lost by a field goal in about half their games and has the jets, buffalo x 2, and the ravens on schedule, and cincy should be able to squeak out a couple more.
the jets, atlanta, and oakland are problematic......
hmmm...I might have to start rooting for the jets.
sf will keep losing, st louis will get a little healthier and win a couple -- hopefully beating sf, miami has lost by a field goal in about half their games and has the jets, buffalo x 2, and the ravens on schedule, and cincy should be able to squeak out a couple more.
the jets, atlanta, and oakland are problematic......
hmmm...I might have to start rooting for the jets.
King of the Jungle
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Out of spite, will any team make a move with them? I think teams would find pleasure in watching the Pats (traditionally not paying big bucks for players and building through the back end of the first round) have to sign a #1 overall pick. A twisted theory, but I could see it happening.
twitch
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I wouldnt nessecarily argue. But Long isnt really a LB. he's actually a DE right now with some versatility. But dont just hammer me. give an opinion, sharp guy.
thehornet
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not that!
Sorry, wasn't trying to hammer. BB and Pioli believe that LB is the brains of the defense and to be a part of their LB rotation, you need to have the experience AND brains to be a part of it.First round picks:2007: DB2006: RB2005: OL2004: DT2003: DT, TE2002: TE2001: DT2000: OLIn fact, only four LB's have been drafted in the BB era, none above the 5th round.I think the history speaks for itself, as do the results.
Ditka is God
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Martin Scorcese. 
twitch
Footballguy
True. Not much history. But look at the past 2 years. There wasnt a history of taking DBs or RBs in the 1st round either. And look at what BB is doing this year with the O. Not much history of running it up on everyone with the an all-time O. Things do change. What position do you think they need? I'll say another guy that Im sure they wont take but who is intersting is this big O Tackle from Michigan, Jake Long. They took Mankins a few years ago in the 1st, although it was late. But Long is looks to be dominant. I know its not nessecarily a position of weakness on the team, but what is? Theyre old at LB, and you can never have enough DBs. But as usual, it will be a guessing game.
eom
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yeah, but how many of those were bottom round picks?
hard to compare top 5 to bottom round.
both lines could always be added to, but you don't need a top 5 pick for that.
I'd definitely be interested to see if they trade down, or take a mcfadden ---- sammy stays the back up, but would that mean they trade away maroney, or is this not happening and they stick w/maroney and his cheapy salary?
I'd think maroney would be an easy trade if they can pay mcfadden.
maybe for future picks?
I don't follow college at all, so if someone does do they want to give a quick rundown of top 10 prospects?
hard to compare top 5 to bottom round.
both lines could always be added to, but you don't need a top 5 pick for that.
I'd definitely be interested to see if they trade down, or take a mcfadden ---- sammy stays the back up, but would that mean they trade away maroney, or is this not happening and they stick w/maroney and his cheapy salary?
I'd think maroney would be an easy trade if they can pay mcfadden.
maybe for future picks?
I don't follow college at all, so if someone does do they want to give a quick rundown of top 10 prospects?
twitch
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I dont see 'em taking McFadden. He's a nice player, but that's a lot of dough for a position that in general has a HUGE history of injury. Not McFadden specifically. But RBs go down all the time. Maroney and Morris are exhibits a and b. Imagine having to pay either of those guys top 5 money with what theyve done this year. I really have a feeling theyll trade down, but there are going to be some quality big men at the top of this draft. If they can get a Glenn Dorsey or someone they deem as a huge difference maker in the trenches for the next 5 or 6 years, they may do it.
I find this draft very hard to predict at this point. Their whole defensive and offensive lines are signed thru 2009 (give or take a guy here or there). I really think they are in line to take a CB or another safety at some point on day 1. They are happy with Merriweather's progress and with Hobbs dong well, they might be able to groom a guy if they go out and sign a vet CB to hold the fort down.Of course, they could go after a LB and buck the trend - but those past numbers are pretty hard to go against.
twitch
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What do you guys see them doing with Merriweather next season? Ive thought he'd step in and take over at Samuel's LCB spot. I dont see him being a safety. He's got more CB size than safety size. I just dont see him being a big hitter in run support, though maybe he'd be a FS. But when Samuel leaves, and Im assuming of course he will, I dont know who else on the squad is ready to fill those shoes outside of Gay, and he's not even signed beyond this year, IIRC. They need CBs. Cant see one going in the top 5 for value. That may happen if they trade down. If they stick with the Niner pick, I defintely think its going to be for a big guy or a 'backer.
Let's not forget James Sanders' progress this year. He has played more snaps than the majority of the players on the team. He will certainly factor into things next year.
twitch
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For sure. And I expect Harrison will come back next year also, and he's still playing at a high level. He and Sanders would probably be slotted as the starting safeties. What's he a 4th year guy? Eugene is always hurt. I bet he'll come back, but he's no sure starter because he just cant stay on the field. So, as you see in breaking down the different positions, they dont really have any glaring needs. But you cant ever be deep enough at CB or in the 2ndary. Still think theyre going big body. Jake Long if its top 5. After seeing Kaszur get burned by Mathis a couple of times last week, I think that may be something to consider.
PatsWillWin
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
The Patriots had tried to move up to get Vilma.
twitch
Footballguy
Theyll be good. The cap is going up another 7 or 8 mil. Samuel's 8 mil will be off the books. The cap figures of Seymour and Brady will dramatically improve. Those 2 guys have been killing the team. Friggin' Brady! Overpaid SOB. Theyll end up being 20something under when it comes time to start signing guys. There's a rookie signing cap or allowance or however its termed for each team. youre not doubting these guys now are you? The 5th pick's probably drawing in that 5mil/year range.
eom
Footballguy
oh, I don't doubt for a second that their cap accounting genius is about 1 million x mine --- just trying to dope it out.
key word being 'dope'....
you'd have to think moss commands 8-10 mil, right?
what's the deal w/the rookie allowance -- can it put you over the total cap, or is it just a rookie cap you're talking about?
key word being 'dope'....
you'd have to think moss commands 8-10 mil, right?
what's the deal w/the rookie allowance -- can it put you over the total cap, or is it just a rookie cap you're talking about?
twitch
Footballguy
Rookie contracts dont figure into the cap to my knowledge because most of those high dollar guys dont even get signed until August, long after the caps are cleared. You know its just #s manipulation, and NE hasnt typically had to sweat it. But as far as Moss goes, I dont expect him to get anywhere near the $8-10 that his #s may normally demand. I think he's smart enough to realize that part of what seperates this team are the financial sacrifices alot of players make to fit in. If he's looking for that kindof dough, he can go to Atlanta or San Fran or Denver or whoever's going to be crazy enough to pay that. I promise you NE wont. I expect he'll get in the $6 or 7mil range tops, with incentives built in to reach those totals. Nothing insulting. But again, a rich enough deal that he'll be able to 'survive', and help the team stay within its cap structure. Not a doubt in my mind thats going to happen and he'll be top priority. Btw, Seymour and Brady combined to eat up $23mil of the team's cap last year. Its probably similar this year. Next year, it will be far less.
eom
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I think this year brady and seymour are at about 7, w/samuel at 8, colvin 6, and matt light 5.
next year brady doubles w/the rest being about the same, and samuel unaccounted for.
according to this.
here's a discussion on the draft subject.
I can't read all that now, but if you do keep us posted w/blurbs.
next year brady doubles w/the rest being about the same, and samuel unaccounted for.
according to this.
here's a discussion on the draft subject.
I can't read all that now, but if you do keep us posted w/blurbs.
twitch
Footballguy
great sourece, e. love the contract details. good stuff. there's always uncertainty going into the next season because so many performance bonuses of all these players are yet to be determined. But it looks like theyre going to be in good shape depth wise with most of the core. Dbackfield seems to be the biggest concern because of Samuel and Gay. But Sanders and Hobbs each have atleast one more year on their deals(if they were only 4yr deals). By the way, it would be sick if they added McFadden.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
A lot of people expected them to be bad. IIRC football outsiders said that last year their record was two or three wins better than it should've been based upon their statistics. Luck evens out eventually.
drdgreenlove
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JAKE LONG
A Michigan man to protect Brady
A Michigan man to protect Brady
Sweeper
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timschochet
Footballguy
If Miami won a game before they played NE, wouldn't it be prudent for NE to lose to them if they could secure the #1 pick for SF by doing so? Just saying...
Whizzinator
Footballguy
The Niners fans I know are so upset about the disappointment of the 2007 team that they can hardly talk about the pain of the 2008 draft right now.But they do acknowledge it's going to hurt---a lot.
