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Who starts the majority of games for the Cards at QB? (1 Viewer)
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the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Not sayin' you're wrong, and he prolly should start 'em all, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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Sammy Traveller
Footballguy
it will not be an easy season, but this is the year this guy becomes Matt the Lion-Hearted.
radballs
Footballguy
1. Leinart - All 16
2. Leinart - 13-15
3. Leinart - 9-12
4. Leinart - 6-8
5. Leinart - 3-5
6. Leinart - Two or less
I'm thinking a poll like this may have worked out a little better than a one guy or the other guy thing when Leinart is expected to be the guy in week 1 (I think). I'd go with option 2 in that scenario.
2. Leinart - 13-15
3. Leinart - 9-12
4. Leinart - 6-8
5. Leinart - 3-5
6. Leinart - Two or less
I'm thinking a poll like this may have worked out a little better than a one guy or the other guy thing when Leinart is expected to be the guy in week 1 (I think). I'd go with option 2 in that scenario.
Warner wasn't the Warner from the Rams but the closest he's been since. They moved the ball well, the WRs played like we expect, and Edge got going good too.....that O really clicked with him. I wonder just how good his new coach thinks he is.
IMO Leinart looked like he expected things to still come easy to him and struggled to work at it, for probably the first time in his life. Alot of young players have gone thru that. I hope he looks alot different in 08. That common phrase- "the game slows down" needs to happen for him. I've read alot less hollywood stories and alot more things like reporting early, working with QB coach, studying film etc. It seems like he's doing what he needs to do.
I think we'll know, or "have a good idea", in preseason.
IMO Leinart looked like he expected things to still come easy to him and struggled to work at it, for probably the first time in his life. Alot of young players have gone thru that. I hope he looks alot different in 08. That common phrase- "the game slows down" needs to happen for him. I've read alot less hollywood stories and alot more things like reporting early, working with QB coach, studying film etc. It seems like he's doing what he needs to do.
I think we'll know, or "have a good idea", in preseason.
sholditch
Footballguy
Latest from Cards blog at fanhouse:
Yesterday, Cardinals head coach Ken Whisenhunt reiterated that the quarterback job is Matt Leinart's to lose. At least until the team gets to training camp and the third-year QB/hot tub aficionado/Nick Lachey's BFF starts short-hopping passes like he's Steve Sax and it's 1983.
Plan B is Kurt Warner, who fared well last season, and has a 50/50 chance of winning the gig at some point in 2008. And perhaps as consequence of his role, Warner is looking for a contract extension.
Warner, who would like a two-year contract, said, "I want to be in a situation where I'm comfortable. I kind of want to know my future. A lot of it will be dictated by what kind of plans they have for me here. I think the contract is going to allow me to see what they're thinking for me moving forward."
It'll also allow Leinart to see what the Cards are thinking for Warner moving forward. Warner's entering the final year of his current deal and although he'll be 37 in three weeks, he's looked very good (and occasionally great) in Arizona's offense, something neither Leinart (or Josh McCown before him) can say.
more fluff than anything, but I wonder how much of an advantage Leinart has because of his draft status and beiing younger. If it were a completely open competition judged solely on who gives them a better chance to win, I think it would be Warner all day long.
Yesterday, Cardinals head coach Ken Whisenhunt reiterated that the quarterback job is Matt Leinart's to lose. At least until the team gets to training camp and the third-year QB/hot tub aficionado/Nick Lachey's BFF starts short-hopping passes like he's Steve Sax and it's 1983.
Plan B is Kurt Warner, who fared well last season, and has a 50/50 chance of winning the gig at some point in 2008. And perhaps as consequence of his role, Warner is looking for a contract extension.
Warner, who would like a two-year contract, said, "I want to be in a situation where I'm comfortable. I kind of want to know my future. A lot of it will be dictated by what kind of plans they have for me here. I think the contract is going to allow me to see what they're thinking for me moving forward."
It'll also allow Leinart to see what the Cards are thinking for Warner moving forward. Warner's entering the final year of his current deal and although he'll be 37 in three weeks, he's looked very good (and occasionally great) in Arizona's offense, something neither Leinart (or Josh McCown before him) can say.
more fluff than anything, but I wonder how much of an advantage Leinart has because of his draft status and beiing younger. If it were a completely open competition judged solely on who gives them a better chance to win, I think it would be Warner all day long.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
This is the whole key right here.Leinart is moving into his third year with not much to show for it. I would have to think the Cardinals almost desperately want to get him on the field as much as possible from the get-go just to see if he can progress if nothing else. They have to get games under his belt to help determine if he is or is not their future.Although I couldn't agree more that Warner gives them a better chance to win "now", from a franchise standpoint, I think their priority is to figure out what they have in Leinart "now."Unless he gets hurt again or just absolutely crashes, he will almost certainly play out the entire season.
sholditch
Footballguy
There are a few things to consider about that though:
Leinart was not drafted by the current regime. Whisenhunt and his staff were not there when that choice was made, so there is really no telling how Whisenhunt really feels about the kid. All we know is that he didn't have much trouble pulling Leinart last year when he struggled. I think Leinart will have every chance to prove that he is a better option than Warner in camp, but if he doesn't convince the coaching staff that he gives them a better chance to win now, we'll see Warner again. Probably not at the start, but pretty quickly if Leinart struggles and the Cards lose. Whisenhunt has to worry about his job too.
Leinart was not drafted by the current regime. Whisenhunt and his staff were not there when that choice was made, so there is really no telling how Whisenhunt really feels about the kid. All we know is that he didn't have much trouble pulling Leinart last year when he struggled. I think Leinart will have every chance to prove that he is a better option than Warner in camp, but if he doesn't convince the coaching staff that he gives them a better chance to win now, we'll see Warner again. Probably not at the start, but pretty quickly if Leinart struggles and the Cards lose. Whisenhunt has to worry about his job too.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Understood.But it's still the same ownership. We all know how Bidwell is with his money. Too much money in Leinart's contract to continually put him on the pine.How long is his contract? How many more years of it can they afford to simply burn through without determining if he can develop? As they approach the end of his contract (whenever that is), are they going to have enough substance to determine if they should re-sign him? They've had enough embarrassment over the years. What if they were to eventually cut him and he were to develop into something somewhere else? How embarrassing would that be? These are the kind of questions I would think are in the back of their minds.Not posing an argument, just simply making some points. I know "I" would want to know what I've got in Leinart before the clock strikes twelve.I would think Bidwell wants to win, sure, but I also think he's looking at Whisenhunt and his staff from the standpoint of "can you turn this guy into a legitimate starter?" They can't ride on Warner's back forever.
rumblinbumblinstumbler
Footballguy
I agree. I think Leinart will get the initial chance to start, but, unless he comes out gangbusters and the team starts out winning, I think we will see Warner in there by October.I think the writing is on the wall with the partying story that came out a few months ago. That should have been a non-event for the team. Who cares if a multi millionaire 2 years out of college is partying with college people. But, the fact that the team made a big deal about it and talked to him about it makes me believe that the current regime wouldn't mind it terribly if he doesn't work out and will have him on a very short leash.
B Maverick
Footballguy
I honestly dont see why Leinart not being drafted by the new regime has anything to do with whether he plays or not. I dont see it as a valid arguement.
They interviewed and took the job knowing that Leinart was drafted in the first rd and is expected to be the franchise QB. I can not believe that the owners didnt stress in the interview process that part of their job is to make sure Leinart was taught and brought along as their guy. Whether Wisenhunt likes him or not, he was hired to coach a team and lead them to wins with Leinart as their QB.
I expect unless Leinart is flat out autrocious or injured that he will start the majority of the games if not all 16. Warner may be a better option for wins this year, but for the money and the future they need to win or lose with Leinart now.
They interviewed and took the job knowing that Leinart was drafted in the first rd and is expected to be the franchise QB. I can not believe that the owners didnt stress in the interview process that part of their job is to make sure Leinart was taught and brought along as their guy. Whether Wisenhunt likes him or not, he was hired to coach a team and lead them to wins with Leinart as their QB.
I expect unless Leinart is flat out autrocious or injured that he will start the majority of the games if not all 16. Warner may be a better option for wins this year, but for the money and the future they need to win or lose with Leinart now.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
This coaching staff wants to WIN period.
Matt will have to play well this year to keep his job. He was pulled in games last year because he was not 100% committed. The dirtyscottsdale had pictures of Matt partying the night before the 2nd reg seaon game vs Seahawks. (he was out at the clubs)
They won that game but the next week Warner got some game time.
Bottom line if Matt gives 100% he will likely remain the starter but if he screws around he will be pulled.
Matt will have to play well this year to keep his job. He was pulled in games last year because he was not 100% committed. The dirtyscottsdale had pictures of Matt partying the night before the 2nd reg seaon game vs Seahawks. (he was out at the clubs)
They won that game but the next week Warner got some game time.
Bottom line if Matt gives 100% he will likely remain the starter but if he screws around he will be pulled.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I think Leinert will start more games......
.....but only after he gets benched for poor play in like week 3, then Warner plays well every other week for about 5 weeks and then gets knocked out with a concussion. They then go back to Leinert who finishes out the season as the starter.
I'm scoring it Warner 5 - Leinert 11.
.....but only after he gets benched for poor play in like week 3, then Warner plays well every other week for about 5 weeks and then gets knocked out with a concussion. They then go back to Leinert who finishes out the season as the starter.
I'm scoring it Warner 5 - Leinert 11.
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Andy Herron
Footballguy
Exactly.As this is really an extension of what I was trying to say in post #11.
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