Who wants TED GINN? (1 Viewer)

[Mr Capicollo]

I wonder where his game breaking speed has gone. All his catches seem to be the 8-10 yard variety and immediately tackled thereafter.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with having a QB who can't throw much of anything more than the 8-10 yard variety.

They threw to him once in the first half deep and he tripped all over himself and fell down, thus allowing Reed to catch the ball, turnaround, and run 65 yards for a score the toher way. Ginn tripped so badly that he could not recover to even get up and make an attempt at Reed. Just wanted to inject a few facts from the game today.

You should try and get your facts correct...Ginn was tripped by the Baltimore defender and the pass was terribly thrown (short and to the inside of the field by about 7 yards - you should throw it away from the safety especially when your ball takes forever to get there because you have a #### arm).Take a look at the game and see if Pennington completed ONE ball that went more than 15 yards from the LOS (it might not have even been 10 yards). Oh and a completion to the defense does not count.

I was trying to stay above the line and not make excuses for Miami losing yesterday...(clears throat) clearly Reed made a spectacular play on the ball, Ginn must have tripped over himself as their was no flag, and the Ravens just mowed over everyone on the return. I agree the ball was thrown a good 7 yards to the inside, great analysis on your part...but Ginn still didn't even make himself a factor on the interception because he has no real size, has no presence, can't run a precise route, sometimes when your QB is under fire you gotta help them out as a WR, Ginn accomplishes none of that.

Strange. Your stuff seems pretty well thought out normally. But you obviously have a 'thing' for Ginn.

MoP has "things" for a number of players. It's a regular minefield that we have to pick our way through in the SP.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I wonder where his game breaking speed has gone. All his catches seem to be the 8-10 yard variety and immediately tackled thereafter.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with having a QB who can't throw much of anything more than the 8-10 yard variety.

They threw to him once in the first half deep and he tripped all over himself and fell down, thus allowing Reed to catch the ball, turnaround, and run 65 yards for a score the toher way. Ginn tripped so badly that he could not recover to even get up and make an attempt at Reed. Just wanted to inject a few facts from the game today.

You should try and get your facts correct...Ginn was tripped by the Baltimore defender and the pass was terribly thrown (short and to the inside of the field by about 7 yards - you should throw it away from the safety especially when your ball takes forever to get there because you have a #### arm).Take a look at the game and see if Pennington completed ONE ball that went more than 15 yards from the LOS (it might not have even been 10 yards). Oh and a completion to the defense does not count.

I was trying to stay above the line and not make excuses for Miami losing yesterday...(clears throat) clearly Reed made a spectacular play on the ball, Ginn must have tripped over himself as their was no flag, and the Ravens just mowed over everyone on the return. I agree the ball was thrown a good 7 yards to the inside, great analysis on your part...but Ginn still didn't even make himself a factor on the interception because he has no real size, has no presence, can't run a precise route, sometimes when your QB is under fire you gotta help them out as a WR, Ginn accomplishes none of that.

Blaming Ginn for that is misguided. Of course receivers need to come back and knock balls down to help the QB, but this was a play where Baltimore blitzed and it was picked up really well, but instead of throwing to a wide open receiver coming across the middle at about 15 yards (a pass which Pennington can actually reach), he throws short and down field into 2 defenders. The truth is that you need to take cracks down field, but Chad is simply one of the worst at it in the league.As for Ginn not making the tackle on the pick, I could blame 10 other guys too.Also, if the pass was to the outside and 5 yards deeper, Ginn might have taken it to the house as he was behind the defender; he only got tripped up when he tried to adjust to the ball. The flag was not thrown as they usually say that is incidental contact...a rule that is debatable

 

[Two Deep]

I wonder where his game breaking speed has gone. All his catches seem to be the 8-10 yard variety and immediately tackled thereafter.

Lets see it takes approximately 3 seconds for Pennington to drop back to pass at that point Ginn is already 15 yards out of Penningtons range.

 

[gcoast3]

Just watched the replay of GINN fumbling the reverse when the Dolphins were driving in the 4th quarter.He is just not that good.

The ball never hit him in the chest because Baltimore hit Pennington; blaming Pennington or Ginn for that is silly

I barely watched that game, but I saw that play and Pennington not only had Ray Lewis (I think) on him when he tried to hand it off but also another defender just about to hit him. That was all on the blocking as they didn't. The announcer even said that the normal handoff became a pitch. That play happened because the Baltimore defense killed it.

Baltimore sold out on that play...Miami had gotten back to back 3 and outs, had scored a TD, was driving, this was as close as they had the Ravens all day, and on this play there seemed to be about half the Baltimore defense lined up over the LG/LT for Miami...they did crash the play, however if Ginn could have hung on to the ball he was gone as there was nobody along that left alley heading up to the end zone...IIRC Miami was on about the 35 yardline, perhaps the 30. It was a crazy play but the reality is Ginn is not that good...I understand Baltimore was there and in position and disrupted things but it wasn't like they were sacking Penny adn he handed the ball off as he was falling to the ground. Ginn needs to make that play, he simply is not a big time NFL WR of any kind right now.

 

[jurb26]

I wonder where his game breaking speed has gone. All his catches seem to be the 8-10 yard variety and immediately tackled thereafter.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with having a QB who can't throw much of anything more than the 8-10 yard variety.

They threw to him once in the first half deep and he tripped all over himself and fell down, thus allowing Reed to catch the ball, turnaround, and run 65 yards for a score the toher way. Ginn tripped so badly that he could not recover to even get up and make an attempt at Reed. Just wanted to inject a few facts from the game today.

You should try and get your facts correct...Ginn was tripped by the Baltimore defender and the pass was terribly thrown (short and to the inside of the field by about 7 yards - you should throw it away from the safety especially when your ball takes forever to get there because you have a #### arm).Take a look at the game and see if Pennington completed ONE ball that went more than 15 yards from the LOS (it might not have even been 10 yards). Oh and a completion to the defense does not count.

I was trying to stay above the line and not make excuses for Miami losing yesterday...(clears throat) clearly Reed made a spectacular play on the ball, Ginn must have tripped over himself as their was no flag, and the Ravens just mowed over everyone on the return. I agree the ball was thrown a good 7 yards to the inside, great analysis on your part...but Ginn still didn't even make himself a factor on the interception because he has no real size, has no presence, can't run a precise route, sometimes when your QB is under fire you gotta help them out as a WR, Ginn accomplishes none of that.

Blaming Ginn for that is misguided. Of course receivers need to come back and knock balls down to help the QB, but this was a play where Baltimore blitzed and it was picked up really well, but instead of throwing to a wide open receiver coming across the middle at about 15 yards (a pass which Pennington can actually reach), he throws short and down field into 2 defenders. The truth is that you need to take cracks down field, but Chad is simply one of the worst at it in the league.As for Ginn not making the tackle on the pick, I could blame 10 other guys too.Also, if the pass was to the outside and 5 yards deeper, Ginn might have taken it to the house as he was behind the defender; he only got tripped up when he tried to adjust to the ball. The flag was not thrown as they usually say that is incidental contact...a rule that is debatable

Nice to see at least one person in this thread has a bit of sense. The rest of this thread is just painful to even read it makes such little sense.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Give him pass after 4 INTs? Really?Come on.He was great during the year...but you cannot just give him a pass for that performance.

Absolutely Sho and a guy as level headed as you when it comes to the Pack should I understand what myself and other Miami fans will now be facing. It's great we won 11 games but the playoffs really showed just how far we ahve to go. I don't think Penny is any part of the problem at this stage, he only is making us better right now. If we get a credible WR1, WR2, move Ginn to WR3 or get him out of here, a better OL as we had 4 guys starting that were rookies or 2nd season in the league...until I see some major upgrades at a lot of spots and suddenly it looks like the QB is not holding up his end of the deal...do you see where I'm going? You could put Tom Brady on Miami Sunday and they still likely lose that game because there is nobody to throw the ball to!!! David Martin running a 30 yard fly pattern with triple coverage around him...that means the Ravens figured out he was the best option at the moment, what defense triple covers a back up TE?If people want to criticize Pennington I get it, but I give him a pass on Sunday based on what I watched throughout the year.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The Ginn equals Peter Warrick comment was about as right on as you can get, I've been saying that since day 1.I couldn't agree more with MOP's comments as well. Ginn is a 3rd or 4th WR and kick returner, that's it. The problem is although I think you saw from the emergence of Carmillo and Bess and to the playing of London that the current front office isn't big on Ginn they are stuck with him because of the size of his contract. The only hope is someone like the Raiders who love deep threat guys and are poorly run comes along and offers a 3rd or 4th rounder for him. Ireland should be making calls today to get rid o him before free agency starts.

I believe Miami saw enough of TGjr this year to come to the conclusion that he is not a WR1 and he is not worth the money they are paying him...not even close. I hope they do whatever is necesary to get rid of him even if they cut him and eat it against the salary cap next season. I don't see a lot of great FA so they might as well clear the cap space for future draft picks and or FA in 2010. I really am not expecting more than 7-8 wins form the Phins next year. They will be playing teams like Baltimore all the time with a much tougher schedule.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

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[Liquid Tension]

Give him pass after 4 INTs? Really?Come on.He was great during the year...but you cannot just give him a pass for that performance.

Absolutely Sho and a guy as level headed as you when it comes to the Pack should I understand what myself and other Miami fans will now be facing. It's great we won 11 games but the playoffs really showed just how far we ahve to go. I don't think Penny is any part of the problem at this stage, he only is making us better right now. If we get a credible WR1, WR2, move Ginn to WR3 or get him out of here, a better OL as we had 4 guys starting that were rookies or 2nd season in the league...until I see some major upgrades at a lot of spots and suddenly it looks like the QB is not holding up his end of the deal...do you see where I'm going? You could put Tom Brady on Miami Sunday and they still likely lose that game because there is nobody to throw the ball to!!! David Martin running a 30 yard fly pattern with triple coverage around him...that means the Ravens figured out he was the best option at the moment, what defense triple covers a back up TE?If people want to criticize Pennington I get it, but I give him a pass on Sunday based on what I watched throughout the year.

First Jurb, thanks for the note prior...MOP, I have to take some issue here though. The worst player on the field for the Dolphins was Pennington. You are absolutely wrong when you say if Brady were on the team the Dolphins would have lost. Even after 3 picks the Dolphins had the ball in the 4th quarter with a chance to even the score. The defense played very well until finally breaking down after the 5th mishap and needing a strip/turnover. In fact, if the QB play was average, the Dolphins would have won that game IMO. You point out David Martin being triple teamed; well if that is the case, why didn't Chad hit another receiver?Chad is much better at QB than we have had since Marino, but we are kidding ourselves if we think Chad is an average starter. Line up the QB's and you will get at least 15 and probably around 20 you would rather have. forget QB rating and focus on the plays a QB makes and more importantly what he allows others to make. In fact, a lot of Miami's success on offense was when they ran the wildcat (no Pennington). Credit the coaching staff who did a fantastic job taking advantage of Pennington's strength (short accurate passing) and limiting/not exposing his many limitations.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Give him pass after 4 INTs? Really?Come on.He was great during the year...but you cannot just give him a pass for that performance.

Absolutely Sho and a guy as level headed as you when it comes to the Pack should I understand what myself and other Miami fans will now be facing. It's great we won 11 games but the playoffs really showed just how far we ahve to go. I don't think Penny is any part of the problem at this stage, he only is making us better right now. If we get a credible WR1, WR2, move Ginn to WR3 or get him out of here, a better OL as we had 4 guys starting that were rookies or 2nd season in the league...until I see some major upgrades at a lot of spots and suddenly it looks like the QB is not holding up his end of the deal...do you see where I'm going? You could put Tom Brady on Miami Sunday and they still likely lose that game because there is nobody to throw the ball to!!! David Martin running a 30 yard fly pattern with triple coverage around him...that means the Ravens figured out he was the best option at the moment, what defense triple covers a back up TE?If people want to criticize Pennington I get it, but I give him a pass on Sunday based on what I watched throughout the year.

First Jurb, thanks for the note prior...MOP, I have to take some issue here though. The worst player on the field for the Dolphins was Pennington. You are absolutely wrong when you say if Brady were on the team the Dolphins would have lost. Even after 3 picks the Dolphins had the ball in the 4th quarter with a chance to even the score. The defense played very well until finally breaking down after the 5th mishap and needing a strip/turnover. In fact, if the QB play was average, the Dolphins would have won that game IMO. You point out David Martin being triple teamed; well if that is the case, why didn't Chad hit another receiver?Chad is much better at QB than we have had since Marino, but we are kidding ourselves if we think Chad is an average starter. Line up the QB's and you will get at least 15 and probably around 20 you would rather have. forget QB rating and focus on the plays a QB makes and more importantly what he allows others to make. In fact, a lot of Miami's success on offense was when they ran the wildcat (no Pennington). Credit the coaching staff who did a fantastic job taking advantage of Pennington's strength (short accurate passing) and limiting/not exposing his many limitations.

The worst player on the field was Pennington? Have you watched any Miami football games or even this past Sunday? I almost can't even read on any further...did you watch Teddy Ginn Jr? Pennington is worse than Bess, London, Fasano, Martin, Satele(was awful), whatever mess we are starting at LG and RG with Smiley and Thomas done for the year...you really think Pennington was the worst Miami player on the field? I totally disagree and we can just let it go at that.And the reason he thrwe to Martin is because there wasn't anyone else to throw it to, we have no WR.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Give him pass after 4 INTs? Really?Come on.He was great during the year...but you cannot just give him a pass for that performance.

Absolutely Sho and a guy as level headed as you when it comes to the Pack should I understand what myself and other Miami fans will now be facing. It's great we won 11 games but the playoffs really showed just how far we ahve to go. I don't think Penny is any part of the problem at this stage, he only is making us better right now. If we get a credible WR1, WR2, move Ginn to WR3 or get him out of here, a better OL as we had 4 guys starting that were rookies or 2nd season in the league...until I see some major upgrades at a lot of spots and suddenly it looks like the QB is not holding up his end of the deal...do you see where I'm going? You could put Tom Brady on Miami Sunday and they still likely lose that game because there is nobody to throw the ball to!!! David Martin running a 30 yard fly pattern with triple coverage around him...that means the Ravens figured out he was the best option at the moment, what defense triple covers a back up TE?If people want to criticize Pennington I get it, but I give him a pass on Sunday based on what I watched throughout the year.

First Jurb, thanks for the note prior...MOP, I have to take some issue here though. The worst player on the field for the Dolphins was Pennington. You are absolutely wrong when you say if Brady were on the team the Dolphins would have lost. Even after 3 picks the Dolphins had the ball in the 4th quarter with a chance to even the score. The defense played very well until finally breaking down after the 5th mishap and needing a strip/turnover. In fact, if the QB play was average, the Dolphins would have won that game IMO. You point out David Martin being triple teamed; well if that is the case, why didn't Chad hit another receiver?Chad is much better at QB than we have had since Marino, but we are kidding ourselves if we think Chad is an average starter. Line up the QB's and you will get at least 15 and probably around 20 you would rather have. forget QB rating and focus on the plays a QB makes and more importantly what he allows others to make. In fact, a lot of Miami's success on offense was when they ran the wildcat (no Pennington). Credit the coaching staff who did a fantastic job taking advantage of Pennington's strength (short accurate passing) and limiting/not exposing his many limitations.

The worst player on the field was Pennington? Have you watched any Miami football games or even this past Sunday? I almost can't even read on any further...did you watch Teddy Ginn Jr? Pennington is worse than Bess, London, Fasano, Martin, Satele(was awful), whatever mess we are starting at LG and RG with Smiley and Thomas done for the year...you really think Pennington was the worst Miami player on the field? I totally disagree and we can just let it go at that.And the reason he thrwe to Martin is because there wasn't anyone else to throw it to, we have no WR.

We have been talking about the Baltimore game; are you saying Pennington was not the worst player on the field for the Baltimore game? I watched the game live and watched every play again in regular or slo mo to get a good feel about what happened and Pennington was simply horrific. Poor decision making, 4 picks and not completing a single pass (to his own team) that went 15 yards past the LOS (the number may actually be 10)You keep making silly statements like "we have no receiver", yet the Dolphins were one of the better teams when it comes to drops in the league. Yes, they don't get much separation, but they catch the ball well. We also have backs that catch the ball well and are good RB's, but when the defense stacks the short area with no concern about getting beat over the top, separation is harder to come by. Further, because Pennington can't fire the ball into an area, by the time the ball gets there the defender(s) are on top of the receiver.Stop making excuses for Pennington, he was terrible.

 

[5Rings]

Just watched the replay of GINN fumbling the reverse when the Dolphins were driving in the 4th quarter.He is just not that good.

The ball never hit him in the chest because Baltimore hit Pennington; blaming Pennington or Ginn for that is silly

Disagree. Ginn looked like he'd never taken a handoff in his life.Even pop warner players know the proper fundamentals of taking a handoff. Ginn, obviously, does not.That fumble was all on Ginn.

 

[az_prof]

Overrated?

He might be the most abused top 10 pick of the last 10 years.

I'll take him.

The only people in the world who rated Ted Ginn highly was the 2007 Dolphins front office.

Hard to catch a long pass when your QB can't throw it more than 30 yards. Pennington is an ok NFL QB, but he does not have the arm strength to allow Ginn to do what he does best.

 

[sho nuff]

Give him pass after 4 INTs? Really?Come on.He was great during the year...but you cannot just give him a pass for that performance.

Absolutely Sho and a guy as level headed as you when it comes to the Pack should I understand what myself and other Miami fans will now be facing. It's great we won 11 games but the playoffs really showed just how far we ahve to go. I don't think Penny is any part of the problem at this stage, he only is making us better right now. If we get a credible WR1, WR2, move Ginn to WR3 or get him out of here, a better OL as we had 4 guys starting that were rookies or 2nd season in the league...until I see some major upgrades at a lot of spots and suddenly it looks like the QB is not holding up his end of the deal...do you see where I'm going? You could put Tom Brady on Miami Sunday and they still likely lose that game because there is nobody to throw the ball to!!! David Martin running a 30 yard fly pattern with triple coverage around him...that means the Ravens figured out he was the best option at the moment, what defense triple covers a back up TE?If people want to criticize Pennington I get it, but I give him a pass on Sunday based on what I watched throughout the year.

Look, I don't think he is the problem.Just saying you can't give him a pass for that performance.Favre was not the problem in last year's NFC title game either...but I don't give him a pass for how he played at times in it either.

 

[az_prof]

I wonder where his game breaking speed has gone. All his catches seem to be the 8-10 yard variety and immediately tackled thereafter.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with having a QB who can't throw much of anything more than the 8-10 yard variety.

They threw to him once in the first half deep and he tripped all over himself and fell down, thus allowing Reed to catch the ball, turnaround, and run 65 yards for a score the toher way. Ginn tripped so badly that he could not recover to even get up and make an attempt at Reed. Just wanted to inject a few facts from the game today.

You should try and get your facts correct...Ginn was tripped by the Baltimore defender and the pass was terribly thrown (short and to the inside of the field by about 7 yards - you should throw it away from the safety especially when your ball takes forever to get there because you have a #### arm).Take a look at the game and see if Pennington completed ONE ball that went more than 15 yards from the LOS (it might not have even been 10 yards). Oh and a completion to the defense does not count.

I was trying to stay above the line and not make excuses for Miami losing yesterday...(clears throat) clearly Reed made a spectacular play on the ball, Ginn must have tripped over himself as their was no flag, and the Ravens just mowed over everyone on the return. I agree the ball was thrown a good 7 yards to the inside, great analysis on your part...but Ginn still didn't even make himself a factor on the interception because he has no real size, has no presence, can't run a precise route, sometimes when your QB is under fire you gotta help them out as a WR, Ginn accomplishes none of that.

Blaming Ginn for that is misguided. Of course receivers need to come back and knock balls down to help the QB, but this was a play where Baltimore blitzed and it was picked up really well, but instead of throwing to a wide open receiver coming across the middle at about 15 yards (a pass which Pennington can actually reach), he throws short and down field into 2 defenders. The truth is that you need to take cracks down field, but Chad is simply one of the worst at it in the league.As for Ginn not making the tackle on the pick, I could blame 10 other guys too.Also, if the pass was to the outside and 5 yards deeper, Ginn might have taken it to the house as he was behind the defender; he only got tripped up when he tried to adjust to the ball. The flag was not thrown as they usually say that is incidental contact...a rule that is debatable

Nice to see at least one person in this thread has a bit of sense. The rest of this thread is just painful to even read it makes such little sense.

Agreed! Blaming Ginn for that poor throw is way off. The ball wasn't even in his vicinity.

 

[gcoast3]

Told you so.

 

[buddhacwru]

Wow, this is an old thread, but I guess I should bump it up because Ginn has been coming on in Carolina. Thoughts on him?

 

[ericttspikes]

I think he has a shot to have a career year. Unlike some other teams he's been on, Carolina seems like a good fit; a QB with a cannon and outside of Smith, not much talent at WR. He's probably still just a one trick speed WR, and will be tough to start in PPR leagues without a lot of targets. But for distance scoring leagues he's a top 15 WR after 3 games and don't see why he won't be good for 6-8 long TDs this year. He played well in preseason and it's carried over so far.

 

[solorca]

I'll admit that I kind of laughed off the signing when I found out he was coming to Carolina, partly because I assumed his role was to be a kick returner and I was pretty confident in Joe Adams. Flash forward a few months and Joe Adams was cut and Ginn looked quite good in the preseason.

Ginn signed a one year "prove it" deal with Carolina based on the promise that he would get a shot to be involved in the offense rather than just be a return man. So far, he's showing that he has the ability to stretch the field and have success when he gets an opportunity. Cam Newton seems to love him and he's getting more and more involved in the gameplans we move along. While he'll never be a guy to have 8 receptions for 120 yards in a game, there is no reason to think that he can't get a long touchdown every couple of games.

This is honestly the first time he's played for a team (that I can recall) that has had the right pieces in place to help him be successful. Cam Newton is the absolute perfect QB for him, with his willingness to throw a deep ball and trust his receiver.

As a Panthers fan, I'm quite happy with what he brings to the table.

 

[JFS171]

Curious for some more thoughts on Ginn now that the Panthers are out of the bye. In deeper leagues, he's likely worth a roster spot for teams. He's always had the speed, and Carolina is aching for someone else to step up outside of Smith at the receiver position. While LaFell had a big game against the Giants, he was pretty silent in weeks 1 and 2. Ginn meanwhile keeps coming on and appears to be a favorite of Newton.

In return yardage leagues, he's even more valuable. Anyone else taking the plunge with him? I'm going after him on waivers in my deep 16-team league (start QB-WR-WR-RB-RB-TE-Flex-Flex) with return yardage points.

 

[SwampDawg]

As a Miami fan....can't say I miss him at all. Good luck Carolina, although as was mentioned above he might be a good fit for their offense to make a few big plays. He's fast and he has a good family.

 

[NCCommish]

As a Miami fan....can't say I miss him at all. Good luck Carolina, although as was mentioned above he might be a good fit for their offense to make a few big plays. He's fast and he has a good family.

Actually Ginn is doing more than running fly patterns. He is running crossing patterns, sitting down in the zone on third downs and being a nice safety valve. In short he is doing a fairly complete job right now. I think the 49ers didn't give him much of a chance and I think he wilted under expectations in Miami. Not to mention not great QB play.

 

[cstu]

As a Miami fan....can't say I miss him at all. Good luck Carolina, although as was mentioned above he might be a good fit for their offense to make a few big plays. He's fast and he has a good family.

Actually Ginn is doing more than running fly patterns. He is running crossing patterns, sitting down in the zone on third downs and being a nice safety valve. In short he is doing a fairly complete job right now. I think the 49ers didn't give him much of a chance and I think he wilted under expectations in Miami. Not to mention not great QB play.

I'm been impressed but he's not going to be a high target guy so unless he catches a TD he's not going to be worth much for fantasy. Week 3 would have been a bust (2/24) if he didn't get the TD. He has some nice matchups coming up but he's a desperation start.

 

[JaxBill]

Shouldn't this be a good matchup for Ginn against ARZ? Won't Peterson matchup with Steve Smith?

 

[SameSongNDance]

In case anyone was wondering how the snaps/targets have broken down..

Snap Percentage

Steve Smith - 46 (88%) - 67 (85%) - 50 (66%)

Brandon LaFell - 49 (94%) - 74 (94%) - 44 (58%)

Ted Ginn Jr. - 23 (44%) - 42 (53%) - 28 (37%)

Utilization

Steve Smith - 8 - 11 - 7 (26 total)

Brandon LaFell - 0 - 6 - 5 (11 total)

Ted Ginn Jr. - 1 - 8 - 5 (1 rush) (14 total)

Production

Steve Smith - 6/51/1 - 5/52/0 - 3/40/0 (14/143/1)

Brandon LaFell - 0/0/0 - 4/13/0 - 3/53/2 (7/66/2)

Ted Ginn Jr. - 1/10/0 - 3/62/1 - 3/71/1 (7/143/2 - 1/11/0)

Missing from this is Olsen and his 26 targets. Some may be surprised to learn that Ginn is ahead of LaFell in the pecking order. Anyway, if Ginn puts together his third solid outing in a row I'll be pleasantly surprised.

 

[bonesman]

Missing from this is Olsen and his 26 targets. Some may be surprised to learn that Ginn is ahead of LaFell in the pecking order. Anyway, if Ginn puts together his third solid outing in a row I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Not sure I'd say that. He has more targets but is on the field for far less snaps. I added Ginn with Lafell still out there in a very deep league, but we also get a tiny bit of points for return yards. Thinking of finding room for LaFell too (he won't last long on the wire) but already have Cam and Olsen too.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I'm fuzzy on the details, but didn't they trade Welker to draft this sack?

Not really. Ginn was drafted after they got rid of welker as an upgrade in the WR and KR department. Welker actually got us Satele and our Punter, so all in all it was a decent trade (cnsidering camarillo and Bess).

Even in 2009 this was a terrible post.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'm fuzzy on the details, but didn't they trade Welker to draft this sack?

Not really. Ginn was drafted after they got rid of welker as an upgrade in the WR and KR department. Welker actually got us Satele and our Punter, so all in all it was a decent trade (cnsidering camarillo and Bess).

Even in 2009 this was a terrible post.

in defense of miami I think welker was rfa, but I suppose they could've paid him more at a higher tender and kept him

 

[Eminence]

I picked him up, who knows. Maybe he becomes the #2 Receiver? Has he been beating bums? Who's been covering him?

 

[Gatorman]

I'm fuzzy on the details, but didn't they trade Welker to draft this sack?

Not really. Ginn was drafted after they got rid of welker as an upgrade in the WR and KR department. Welker actually got us Satele and our Punter, so all in all it was a decent trade (cnsidering camarillo and Bess).

Even in 2009 this was a terrible post.

in defense of miami I think welker was rfa, but I suppose they could've paid him more at a higher tender and kept him

While it was not my best post, the truth is the dolphins had no idea what to do with welker and he had no supporting cast here in miami. If they had kept welker, their starting WR corps for 2007 would have been welker, marty booker, and chris chambers with trent green, cleo lemon and john beck throwing to him. He had 67 catches for us the previous year, and the dolphin offense at that point was crap. Brady and manning and a real offensive system (not cam camerons mess or Sabans bad O or parcells/sporanos 3 yards and FG offense) will make a player with that skill set look like a perfect fit, but we didnt have the qb or the offense at the time. Of all the deals and moves made in that particular dolphin era, welkers was not the worst. Satele is even the starting center for Andrew Luck now, so a quality player was drafted, but again miami screwed up and released him to get another center from oakland who ended up sucking as well. In a perfect world the phins keep welker and get brees as a FA. Didn't happen.

As for Ginn, he may become a decent player now that there are no expectations. He still has speed, and cam newton has a cannon for an arm...

 

[SameSongNDance]

Missing from this is Olsen and his 26 targets. Some may be surprised to learn that Ginn is ahead of LaFell in the pecking order. Anyway, if Ginn puts together his third solid outing in a row I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Not sure I'd say that. He has more targets but is on the field for far less snaps. I added Ginn with Lafell still out there in a very deep league, but we also get a tiny bit of points for return yards. Thinking of finding room for LaFell too (he won't last long on the wire) but already have Cam and Olsen too.

I would assume that LaFell is the superior blocker which is likely the main reason why he's sees more snaps. Ginn's target to snap ratio is much higher than LaFells which I believe points towards Ginn being the preferred option when they're both on the field.

 

[cstu]

Missing from this is Olsen and his 26 targets. Some may be surprised to learn that Ginn is ahead of LaFell in the pecking order. Anyway, if Ginn puts together his third solid outing in a row I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Not sure I'd say that. He has more targets but is on the field for far less snaps. I added Ginn with Lafell still out there in a very deep league, but we also get a tiny bit of points for return yards. Thinking of finding room for LaFell too (he won't last long on the wire) but already have Cam and Olsen too.

I would assume that LaFell is the superior blocker which is likely the main reason why he's sees more snaps. Ginn's target to snap ratio is much higher than LaFells which I believe points towards Ginn being the preferred option when they're both on the field.

Ginn = Hilton, LaFell = DHB in terms of their usage.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Well.... He might have relevance?

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

In.

 

[DocHolliday]

I cannot believe I have Teddy Freaking Ginn on my roster. I may even start him this week. That is not happening is it?

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

I cannot believe I have Teddy Freaking Ginn on my roster. I may even start him this week. That is not happening is it?

Exact same here.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

In.

Me too

 

[stbugs]

Me too. I have no other options in one league, but I think he will do fine as WR3 this week. In PPR, I think he has that 8-10 point floor and a ceiling of 15-20 if Cam and he can connect on that play that I have seen happen every week where he breaks wide open. So far, they haven't really connecting on the bomb, but he's had a wide open long TD chance every single week. Hopefully, I am not jinxing it, but based on what I have seen (and TB), he and Cam are due to connect on one.

 

[IheartGuinness]

In the same boat. Think I'll drop Brandon Coleman for him....

 

[devouredbychaos]

I cannot believe I have Teddy Freaking Ginn on my roster. I may even start him this week. That is not happening is it?

Starting him over Stevie Johnson..lord help me. The targets are there though.

 

[Futz]

I threw up a lot in my mouth the minute I acquired his services in a PPR but the facts are the facts. He's the #1 WR on a team that is playing pretty darn good in a pretty terrible division. 70 900 5 is not out of the question making him a quality WR4

 

[FUBAR]

I threw up a lot in my mouth the minute I acquired his services in a PPR but the facts are the facts. He's the #1 WR on a team that is playing pretty darn good in a pretty terrible division. 70 900 5 is not out of the question making him a quality WR4

Picked him up in a 32 team league this summer, starting him this week over c brown and sims as flex. No confidence but it's a large enough league where a few catches will be start worthy.

 

[gbpacker52]

Jeez Ted freaking Ginn? Do I drop Nate Washington for him?

 

[Futz]

Jeez Ted freaking Ginn? Do I drop Nate Washington for him?

Washington has been playing himself out of the #2 in Houston by dropping the ball quite a bit. I'd rather play Shorts so the WR1 in Carolina with Cam IS a better option IMO.

 

[Hankmoody]

I cannot believe I have Teddy Freaking Ginn on my roster. I may even start him this week. That is not happening is it?

Starting him over Stevie Johnson..lord help me. The targets are there though.

Starting him with Stevie Johnson

 

[az_prof]

I drafted him in my dynasty league and he has let me down so much that I couldn't fathom owning him. Only, I do again. I dropped Roddy White to pick him up. Why? Because he is getting targets and that is not likely to end. He will underwhelm but with the number of targets he is getting he will be worth owning most weeks.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Considering starting him over Jeremy Hill at flex.

 

[stbugs]

Considering starting him over Jeremy Hill at flex.

Good luck with that, not sure I would take that plunge. I know Hill has been bad, but his ceiling is higher and I think they want to get him going (which I don't like as a Bernard owner). I am starting Ginn because I have to, but any future starts will be between him and Kendall Wright, so not exactly a crazy call. I like Ginn a lot and here's to us all being rewarded this week. It really only takes a hit on one play, which, as I mentioned above, I have seen almost hit at least once every game this year.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Considering starting him over Jeremy Hill at flex.

This isn't all that crazy. But imagine saying this as recently as a month ago. Effing FF, man.

 

[zftcg]

Yeah, I feel dirty for owning him. But in a 16-team league where we can only start WR/TE at flex, I'm rolling him out this week. I fully expect him to burn me, if not this week then eventually.