Who was drafted before Barry Sanders? (1 Viewer)

[Bojang0301]

IIRC correctly he went no.2. Who was drafted before him?

 

[Borat]

He was drafted 3rd, behind Aikman and Mandarich.

 

[Bojang0301]

He was drafted 3rd, behind Aikman and Mandarich.

Thanks.

 

[-OZ-]

IIRC correctly he went no.2. Who was drafted before him?

#3, Aikman and Marinovich.BTW - that top 5 rocked.

Add Derrick Thomas and Deion Sanders, and I doubt we'll find a better top 5.

Too bad Moarinovich :X

 

[wannabee]

Here is that draft order: http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1989

 

[wannabee]

Draft History

1989 NFL Draft

Round 1 | Round 2 | Round 3 | Round 4 | Round 5 | Round 6 | Round 7 | Round 8 | Round 9 | Round 10 | Round 11 | Round 12

Round 1

Sel# Team Player Pos. School

1 Dallas Troy Aikman QB UCLA

2 Green Bay Tony Mandarich T Michigan State

3 Detroit Barry Sanders RB Oklahoma State

4 Kansas City Derrick Thomas DE Alabama

5 Atlanta Deion Sanders CB Florida State

6 Tampa Bay Broderick Thomas OLB Nebraska

7 Pittsburgh Tim Worley RB Georgia

8 San Diego Burt Grossman DE Pittsburgh

9 Miami Sammie Smith RB Florida State

10 Phoenix Eric Hill LB Louisiana State

11 Chicago Donnell Woolford CB Clemson

12 Chicago Trace Armstrong DE Florida

13 Cleveland Eric Metcalf WR Texas

14 N.Y. Jets Jeff Lageman DE Virginia

15 Seattle Andy Heck G Notre Dame

16 New England Hart Lee Dykes WR Oklahoma State

17 Phoenix Joe Wolf G Boston College

18 N.Y. Giants Brian Williams C Minnesota

19 New Orleans Wayne Martin DE Arkansas

20 Denver Steve Atwater SS Arkansas

21 L.A. Rams Bill Hawkins DE Miami

22 Indianapolis Andre Rison WR Michigan State

23 Houston David Williams T Florida

24 Pittsburgh Tom Ricketts T Pittsburgh

25 Miami Louis Oliver DB Florida

26 L.A. Rams Cleveland Gary RB Miami

27 Atlanta Shawn Collins WR Northern Arizona

28 San Francisco Keith DeLong ILB Tennessee

 

[Noahs Troopers]

IIRC correctly he went no.2. Who was drafted before him?

#3, Aikman and Marinovich.BTW - that top 5 rocked.

Add Derrick Thomas and Deion Sanders, and I doubt we'll find a better top 5.

Too bad Moarinovich :X

WOW. 4 out of 5 are Hall of Famers.

 

[dgreen]

13 Cleveland Eric Metcalf WR Texas

He was so much fun to watch early in his career. Remember that great move he made in a game his rookie year? He went outside (inside the 10-yard line) and made two great cuts to fake out some defenders and get in the endzone. I think it was against Denver.

 

[-OZ-]

IIRC correctly he went no.2. Who was drafted before him?

#3, Aikman and Marinovich.BTW - that top 5 rocked.

Add Derrick Thomas and Deion Sanders, and I doubt we'll find a better top 5.

Too bad Moarinovich :X

WOW. 4 out of 5 are Hall of Famers.

Thomas isn't in yet, but he should be eventually.I'd love to hear an argument for a better group. Off hand, I took a cursory glance and the best I could find was 1996 with Keyshawn, Ogden and Simeon Rice. I didn't look at every year, and NFL.com only goes back to 1982.

 

[TheLaw]

####### Tim Worley.

 

[dgreen]

13 Cleveland Eric Metcalf WR Texas

He was so much fun to watch early in his career. Remember that great move he made in a game his rookie year? He went outside (inside the 10-yard line) and made two great cuts to fake out some defenders and get in the endzone. I think it was against Denver.

And then there were these two punt returns in the same game.

 

[Christo]

IIRC correctly he went no.2. Who was drafted before him?

#3, Aikman and Marinovich.BTW - that top 5 rocked.

Add Derrick Thomas and Deion Sanders, and I doubt we'll find a better top 5.

Too bad Moarinovich :X

WOW. 4 out of 5 are Hall of Famers.

Thomas isn't in yet, but he should be eventually.I'd love to hear an argument for a better group. Off hand, I took a cursory glance and the best I could find was 1996 with Keyshawn, Ogden and Simeon Rice. I didn't look at every year, and NFL.com only goes back to 1982.

www.drafthistory.com goes back to the 40's

 

[Sheriff66]

13 Cleveland Eric Metcalf WR Texas

He was so much fun to watch early in his career. Remember that great move he made in a game his rookie year? He went outside (inside the 10-yard line) and made two great cuts to fake out some defenders and get in the endzone. I think it was against Denver.

And then there were these two punt returns in the same game.

 

[Sheriff66]

####### Tim Worley.

 

[notoriousbob]

Who was GB's RB at the time? They must have had a pretty good one to pass on a RB like Sanders. This is the same boat the Texans are in. Even though they have a good RB they can't let a talent like Bush go.

Looking at the names on that list you can really see how inexact a science the NFL draft is. I havn't heard of 3/4 of those names.

 

[Sheriff66]

Who was GB's RB at the time? They must have had a pretty good one to pass on a RB like Sanders. This is the same boat the Texans are in. Even though they have a good RB they can't let a talent like Bush go.

Looking at the names on that list you can really see how inexact a science the NFL draft is. I havn't heard of 3/4 of those names.

Mandrich was considered to be the best OL prospect to ever play college football, but once he got off the juice, he was...

 

[wannabee]

Who was GB's RB at the time?  They must have had a pretty good one to pass on a RB like Sanders.  This is the same boat the Texans are in.  Even though they have a good RB they can't let a talent like Bush go.

Looking at the names on that list you can really see how inexact a science the NFL draft is.  I havn't heard of 3/4 of those names.

Mandrich was considered to be the best OL prospect to ever play college football, but once he got off the juice, he was...

Funny considering your avatar

 

[Sheriff66]

Who was GB's RB at the time?  They must have had a pretty good one to pass on a RB like Sanders.  This is the same boat the Texans are in.  Even though they have a good RB they can't let a talent like Bush go.

Looking at the names on that list you can really see how inexact a science the NFL draft is.  I havn't heard of 3/4 of those names.

Mandrich was considered to be the best OL prospect to ever play college football, but once he got off the juice, he was...

Funny considering your avatar

I couldn't care less if they made juice legal, if people want to play Russian Roulette with their health for my entertainment purposes, I'd be all for it ! Just a fact that after he got to the NFL and started getting tested, he became average REAL quick...

 

[TheFanatic]

Who was GB's RB at the time? They must have had a pretty good one to pass on a RB like Sanders. This is the same boat the Texans are in. Even though they have a good RB they can't let a talent like Bush go.

Looking at the names on that list you can really see how inexact a science the NFL draft is. I havn't heard of 3/4 of those names.

Mandrich was considered to be the best OL prospect to ever play college football, but once he got off the juice, he was...

Funny considering your avatar

Hey, shouldnt you be picking right about now? Get back over to the League Website and pick SA already!?!?!

 

[wannabee]

Who was GB's RB at the time?  They must have had a pretty good one to pass on a RB like Sanders.  This is the same boat the Texans are in.  Even though they have a good RB they can't let a talent like Bush go.

Looking at the names on that list you can really see how inexact a science the NFL draft is.  I havn't heard of 3/4 of those names.

Mandrich was considered to be the best OL prospect to ever play college football, but once he got off the juice, he was...

Funny considering your avatar

Hey, shouldnt you be picking right about now? Get back over to the League Website and pick SA already!?!?!

have to admit ..... that made me laugh

 

[GreedoShotFirst]

Who was GB's RB at the time? They must have had a pretty good one to pass on a RB like Sanders. This is the same boat the Texans are in. Even though they have a good RB they can't let a talent like Bush go.

Looking at the names on that list you can really see how inexact a science the NFL draft is. I havn't heard of 3/4 of those names.

off the top of my head, I think it was probably Brent Fullwood, but he wasn't very good

 

[SuperJohn96]

Who was GB's RB at the time?  They must have had a pretty good one to pass on a RB like Sanders.  This is the same boat the Texans are in.  Even though they have a good RB they can't let a talent like Bush go.

Looking at the names on that list you can really see how inexact a science the NFL draft is.  I havn't heard of 3/4 of those names.

off the top of my head, I think it was probably Brent Fullwood, but he wasn't very good

1988 Green Bay Running Backs+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name                 |  G |  RSH  YARD   AVG  TD  |  REC  YARD   AVG  TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| PaulOtt Carruth      | 15 |   49   114   2.3   0  |   24   211   8.8   0 || Kenneth Davis        |  9 |   39   121   3.1   1  |   11    81   7.4   0 || Brent Fullwood       | 14 |  101   483   4.8   7  |   20   128   6.4   1 || Larry Mason          | 15 |   48   194   4.0   0  |    8    84  10.5   1 || Keith Woodside       | 16 |   83   195   2.3   3  |   39   352   9.0   2 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+

profootballreference.com

 

[notoriousbob]

Who was GB's RB at the time?  They must have had a pretty good one to pass on a RB like Sanders.  This is the same boat the Texans are in.  Even though they have a good RB they can't let a talent like Bush go.

Looking at the names on that list you can really see how inexact a science the NFL draft is.  I havn't heard of 3/4 of those names.

off the top of my head, I think it was probably Brent Fullwood, but he wasn't very good

1988 Green Bay Running Backs+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name                 |  G |  RSH  YARD   AVG  TD  |  REC  YARD   AVG  TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| PaulOtt Carruth      | 15 |   49   114   2.3   0  |   24   211   8.8   0 || Kenneth Davis        |  9 |   39   121   3.1   1  |   11    81   7.4   0 || Brent Fullwood       | 14 |  101   483   4.8   7  |   20   128   6.4   1 || Larry Mason          | 15 |   48   194   4.0   0  |    8    84  10.5   1 || Keith Woodside       | 16 |   83   195   2.3   3  |   39   352   9.0   2 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+

profootballreference.com

Wow, that makes that pick all the more interesting. Because if Brent Fullwood is getting 4.8 YPC behind whatever line they had in place the line must not have been in too bad a shape. 1989 would have been before I would have paid much attention to this, but was there a major outcry in Green Bay to draft Barry?

 

[Sheriff66]

Who was GB's RB at the time?  They must have had a pretty good one to pass on a RB like Sanders.  This is the same boat the Texans are in.  Even though they have a good RB they can't let a talent like Bush go.

Looking at the names on that list you can really see how inexact a science the NFL draft is.  I havn't heard of 3/4 of those names.

off the top of my head, I think it was probably Brent Fullwood, but he wasn't very good

1988 Green Bay Running Backs+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name                 |  G |  RSH  YARD   AVG  TD  |  REC  YARD   AVG  TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| PaulOtt Carruth      | 15 |   49   114   2.3   0  |   24   211   8.8   0 || Kenneth Davis        |  9 |   39   121   3.1   1  |   11    81   7.4   0 || Brent Fullwood       | 14 |  101   483   4.8   7  |   20   128   6.4   1 || Larry Mason          | 15 |   48   194   4.0   0  |    8    84  10.5   1 || Keith Woodside       | 16 |   83   195   2.3   3  |   39   352   9.0   2 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+

profootballreference.com

Wow, that makes that pick all the more interesting. Because if Brent Fullwood is getting 4.8 YPC behind whatever line they had in place the line must not have been in too bad a shape. 1989 would have been before I would have paid much attention to this, but was there a major outcry in Green Bay to draft Barry?

Like I said, best OL prospect ever at the time he was drafted, can't miss....

 

[Boston]

Who was GB's RB at the time?  They must have had a pretty good one to pass on a RB like Sanders.  This is the same boat the Texans are in.  Even though they have a good RB they can't let a talent like Bush go.

Looking at the names on that list you can really see how inexact a science the NFL draft is.  I havn't heard of 3/4 of those names.

off the top of my head, I think it was probably Brent Fullwood, but he wasn't very good

1988 Green Bay Running Backs+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name                 |  G |  RSH  YARD   AVG  TD  |  REC  YARD   AVG  TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| PaulOtt Carruth      | 15 |   49   114   2.3   0  |   24   211   8.8   0 || Kenneth Davis        |  9 |   39   121   3.1   1  |   11    81   7.4   0 || Brent Fullwood       | 14 |  101   483   4.8   7  |   20   128   6.4   1 || Larry Mason          | 15 |   48   194   4.0   0  |    8    84  10.5   1 || Keith Woodside       | 16 |   83   195   2.3   3  |   39   352   9.0   2 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+

profootballreference.com

Wow, that makes that pick all the more interesting. Because if Brent Fullwood is getting 4.8 YPC behind whatever line they had in place the line must not have been in too bad a shape. 1989 would have been before I would have paid much attention to this, but was there a major outcry in Green Bay to draft Barry?

Like I said, best OL prospect ever at the time he was drafted, can't miss....

He was going to change how the position was played. Just an incredible amount of hype. To bad it was all tied into the wonders of the pharmaceutical world.

 

[Getinthemix]

Who was GB's RB at the time?  They must have had a pretty good one to pass on a RB like Sanders.  This is the same boat the Texans are in.  Even though they have a good RB they can't let a talent like Bush go.

Looking at the names on that list you can really see how inexact a science the NFL draft is.  I havn't heard of 3/4 of those names.

off the top of my head, I think it was probably Brent Fullwood, but he wasn't very good

1988 Green Bay Running Backs+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name                 |  G |  RSH  YARD   AVG  TD  |  REC  YARD   AVG  TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| PaulOtt Carruth      | 15 |   49   114   2.3   0  |   24   211   8.8   0 || Kenneth Davis        |  9 |   39   121   3.1   1  |   11    81   7.4   0 || Brent Fullwood       | 14 |  101   483   4.8   7  |   20   128   6.4   1 || Larry Mason          | 15 |   48   194   4.0   0  |    8    84  10.5   1 || Keith Woodside       | 16 |   83   195   2.3   3  |   39   352   9.0   2 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+

profootballreference.com

Wow, that makes that pick all the more interesting. Because if Brent Fullwood is getting 4.8 YPC behind whatever line they had in place the line must not have been in too bad a shape. 1989 would have been before I would have paid much attention to this, but was there a major outcry in Green Bay to draft Barry?

Like I said, best OL prospect ever at the time he was drafted, can't miss....

IIRC Dr. Z lambasted the Cowboys for not taking him over Aikman.

 

[Keg]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1983

1.John Elway

2.Eric Dickerson

3.Curt Warner

4.Chris Hinton

5.Billy Ray Smith

that is one hell of a top 3 in 1983

only time will tell but

2004 looks pretty good for the future:

1 Eli Manning

2 Robert Gallery

3 Larry Fitzgerald

4 Philip Rivers

5 Sean Taylor

6 Kellen Winslow

7 Roy Williams

8 DeAngelo Hall

9 Reggie Williams

10 Dunta Robinson

11 Ben Roethlisberger

12 Jonathan Vilma

13 Lee Evans

 

[_4_]

Who was GB's RB at the time?  They must have had a pretty good one to pass on a RB like Sanders.  This is the same boat the Texans are in.  Even though they have a good RB they can't let a talent like Bush go.

Looking at the names on that list you can really see how inexact a science the NFL draft is.  I havn't heard of 3/4 of those names.

off the top of my head, I think it was probably Brent Fullwood, but he wasn't very good

Fullwood was VERY good. He tore up his knee twice though and was never the same. Many who saw him in his first camp said he had the goods to be the top RB in football.

 

[DawnBTVS]

I'm curious if there were rumblings over Sanders' size at the time and if people felt the Lions had reached (despite his obviously great college stats).

 

[The FPI]

If I recall correctly, the first time he touched the ball in the 1987 preseason was on a kickoff return.

He returned it 98 some yards before fumbling the ball on the 1 yard line.

 

[Sheriff66]

Who was GB's RB at the time?  They must have had a pretty good one to pass on a RB like Sanders.  This is the same boat the Texans are in.  Even though they have a good RB they can't let a talent like Bush go.

Looking at the names on that list you can really see how inexact a science the NFL draft is.  I havn't heard of 3/4 of those names.

off the top of my head, I think it was probably Brent Fullwood, but he wasn't very good

Fullwood was VERY good. He tore up his knee twice though and was never the same. Many who saw him in his first camp said he had the goods to be the top RB in football.

Was the #4 or 5 pick in the draft his rookie year...

 

[Black&Gold]

263 Washington Mark Schlereth G Idaho



Nice 10th round pick

 

[MSULions]

I'm curious if there were rumblings over Sanders' size at the time and if people felt the Lions had reached (despite his obviously great college stats).

that was precisely the complaint against him: "too small" to be an every down back. people didn't take into account that he was impossible to hit As for Mandarich, his biggest problems wasn't too much or too little juice, it was that he was a major league #######. He was still huge years later as a Colt - and had a respectable run there for a few years before injuries ended his career. but he'll never escape the stigma of being the roided out "bust" of 89 - whether he was or wasn't....

FLASHBACK; Mandarich, Packers made big mistakes

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, The, Mar 17, 2005 by ROB REISCHEL

If Tony Mandarich could change the past, he would do so in a heartbeat.

He'd love to go back and press the mute button during the countless times he was loud and outrageous. He wishes he could reverse time and transform the ugly disposition and demeanor that he carried.

But the former Green Bay Packers offensive tackle knows that's impossible. So as a 37-year-old general manager of a golf course in Ontario, Canada, all Mandarich can do is try learning from his mistakes.

"My problems had nothing at all to do with Green Bay," Mandarich said recently. "They had everything to do with me. I had a bad attitude. I was arrogant and extremely cocky.

"I look back at the situation and I was lucky to go to a place like Green Bay with great fans and all that tradition. And I shot myself in the foot.

"The lessons I've learned are priceless. And the person I am today, that's a good thing. But obviously I would change things if I could. Looking back, I would have loved to be in Green Bay 15 years and contribute instead of being part of the problem."

Instead, Mandarich was an enormous problem.

He came to Green Bay as the second overall pick in the 1989 draft, with the promise of becoming one of the most dominant tackles the game had ever seen. He left four years later with the tag of being the worst draft choice in Packers history and one of the biggest busts in NFL history.

"When I'm called one of the biggest busts ever, I know it's the truth," said Mandarich, who recently remarried and has four children. "The truth is the truth. It's nothing I don't already know."

Mandarich just wished he knew then what he knows know. If he did, he believes his career in Titletown could have been much different.

Heading into the 1989 draft, Mandarich's hype machine was cranked too high. He was widely regarded as the best offensive line prospect ever after measuring 6-foot-5, 315 pounds and running a 4.65 40- yard dash at the NFL scouting combine that year.

Many believed the league had never seen a left tackle with such speed, and at that time, Mandarich outweighed the other top tackles by a good 25 pounds. Mandarich could bench press more than 500 pounds. He ate seven meals and 15,000 calories a day. The term "pancake block" was created specifically for his exploits at Michigan State. And he trained with Mr. America Rory Leidelmeyer.

In three seasons on the field and one on injured reserve, the Packers got virtually nothing for their four-year, $4.4 million investment. To this day, Mandarich knows exactly why.

"At the end of my four years, I felt it was the Packers' fault and the media's fault, but it wasn't my fault," Mandarich said. "Then you get away from it for a year or so and you realize that you didn't have it so bad. Now I know that the whole thing was my fault and a lot of that comes with age and maturity."

Mandarich was lacking both back then.



Mandarich said from the day he was drafted that he didn't want to play in Green Bay, even though he had never stepped foot in the city. He skipped minicamp and didn't sign with the Packers until two days before the season opener.

Getting Mandarich signed was only the Packers' first problem, though. Their biggest issue came when they realized he couldn't play.

Mandarich made his reputation as a devastating run blocker at Michigan State, where the Spartans ran the ball the overwhelming majority of the time. Green Bay threw the ball roughly 60% of the time, though, and Mandarich wasn't close to being up to speed.

Mandarich backed up left tackle Alan Veingrad as a rookie and played in just nine series. Then in 1990, he started 16 games and led the team in sacks allowed (12) quarterback knockdowns allowed (22) and penalties (eight).



"I came from a system where it was 90% run and you just lined up and let 'em have it," Mandarich said. "And I went to a system where it was 60% pass and 40% run. And it just never happened for me. I won't point any fingers, but it just didn't happen."

Mandarich's play improved somewhat when he started 15 games at right tackle in '91, but he still led the team in sacks allowed (8) and quarterback knockdowns allowed (13). Then the Packers traded for Tootie Robbins in Jan., 1992, and tried Mandarich at both left guard and left tackle.

But Mandarich never suited up in '92 after suffering a severe concussion that pre-season which left him with post-concussion syndrome. Mandarich was also being treated for a thyroid condition.

That off-season, the Packers chose not to spend the $660,000 it would take to maintain his rights. And the miserable Mandarich years were over.

"My first mistake was saying I didn't want to play in Green Bay before ever stepping foot there," said Mandarich, who finished up his career in Indianapolis with former Packers coach Lindy Infante. "Then I didn't go to minicamp. And third, I didn't go to training camp until two days before our first game. Those were three pretty big ones.

"I should have just kept my mouth shut and not been so arrogant and talked so much (expletive). I should have eliminated that from my game."

Many believe Mandarich's performance in Green Bay slipped because he eliminated steroids from his game. The Detroit News investigated the Michigan State program in 1990 and Mandarich's name came up in almost all of the 100 interviews the paper did.

Former teammate Jeff Case told the paper that Mandarich injected him with testosterone seven to eight times a day and that vials of drugs lined Mandarich's kitchen cabinet.



The general belief throughout the NFL was Mandarich beat the NCAA- administered tests, but got off the drug once he reached the NFL because he didn't want to face the heavier penalties. To this day, though, Mandarich insists he never used steroids.

"Absolutely never," said Mandarich, who claims he only used multi vitamins and creotine. "You'll have guys that disagree with that. I mean everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But I never did them."

Life isn't nearly as controversial for Mandarich these days. He manages a family golf course and has zero aspirations of getting involved in football again.

"We work our tails off eight or nine months, then get eight weeks vacation," Mandarich said. "It's not a bad set-up."

Mandarich just wishes he made more of the set-up he had in Green Bay.

"I don't really sit around and lament what Packer fans think about me," he said. "I'm not trying to win the fans back or anything like that.

"I would just say I made a lot of mistakes and I was extremely lucky to learn from those mistakes. What can I say, I'm human and I made a lot of mistakes."

But none as big as the one Green Bay made in drafting him.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

14 N.Y. Jets Jeff Lageman DE Virginia

It's obvious to me that the Jets don't know what the draft's all about.[/Kiper]