AtomicDogg97
Footballguy
Who do you guys think will be starting at RB for the Bengals in 2008? It seems like Rudi Johnson is on his last legs.
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Who will be the Bengals starting running back in 2008? (1 Viewer)
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AtomicDogg97
Footballguy
I tried to make a poll with Rudi Johnson, Chris Perry, Kenny Watson, Kenny Irons, or someone else but it didn't show up.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
You need magical powers to make the polls work in the forum.
a guy gets hurt and suddenly he's on his last legs? So I guess we should start a "Who's going to start at RB for the St. Louis Rams" thread also?Vince Young injured his hammy yesterday too. I wonder who will start at QB for the Titans in 2008?Rudi just turned 28. He's not 32 or 33. In fact, if we're talking about 2008, then put me down as a guy who will gladly take him at the bottom of the 1st round in fantasy drafts again. He's not losing his legs, or his job.
zamboni
Footballguy
Agree 100%. Seems WAY too premature to kick Rudi the curb.
packersfan
Footballguy
Bengals better address their defense before they pour money into free agency for a RB they don't need.Obligatory Michael Turner post.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
probably rudi because of contract
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
This could be true, but Rudi has logged more carries in the last three years than any other RB in the league. He's a physical runner who doesn't shy away from contact - that kind of pounding can take its toll. Also, last year he had a 3.8 ypc and a long run of 22 yds - he scored a decent amount of fantasy points but it wasn't a great year for him. Eddie George basically fell apart in 2001 at the age of 28 (3.0 ypc,), though he put up decent fantasy numbers for a couple more years, never approaching 4 ypc again and had clearly lost a step. It's not out of the question that Rudi is on the downside of his career.
I know this was probably a joke, but if the Bengals do end up with a high first round pick, you'd think they'd look to address the defensive side of the ball.Also, Irons tore his ACL. This is usually an injury that takes 2 years to recover from fully. Plus, onsidering he's a rookie and wouldn't have taken more than a few preseason snaps going into season 2, I'm guessing that him taking over the full-time RB job next year is pretty damn unrealistic.Maybe McFadden
PranksterJD
Footballguy
Weren't we saying the same thing about Corey Dillon right before Rudi took over?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
While normally I would agree with this statement as RB's no longer hit the wall at 30. A lot are running for 2 more years and are quite productive. But what scares me here with this is the fact that Cinci had no problem dumping Corey Dillon when he had a few years left in him for Rudi and Perry. I can see them doing it again with Rudi. One thing to consider though is that they had some idea of what they had in Rudi. I'm not so sure they can say that about anyone else on the roster.
Zoomanji
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
I think Dillon had a lot more wear and tear than Rudi does now, and besides, Dillon found the fountain of youth for a year in New England. As noted by gman, Rudi has indeed logged a heavy load the past three years, but I just don't see him quite as done as with others around the league.
King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
wouldnt call him done, but his trade value will only go down. So if they had any idea to trade him, it would be this year.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
No one wants Rudi and his contract and tons of mileage.
EBF
Footballguy
If Irons was healthy I think it would've been a RBBC this season and I think he would've had a legitimate shot of vying for the starting role in 2008. But with him hurt it's an open race. Rudi will probably start the season as the top guy. Irons and Perry will be given a chance to earn playing time and force Rudi out before the 2009 season.
Pound
Footballguy
With the bye and injury he hasn't had any stats for 4 weeks. People are impatient or have short memories, or maybe they have some inside info on Rudi's hammy being worse than it appears.I wouldn't compare Rudi to Corey because with Dillon it was always about him wanting to leave for a more competetive team. Rudi will continue to be the feature back for the Bengals as long as he's healthy.
Yes, those 1,763 carries Eddie amassed before his 2001 season really do compare to Rudi's 934.
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
What I am saying is that Rudi had logged more carries than anyone in the last three years, is a physical runner who takes a lot of punishment and had a subpar season last year. Putting it all together it isn't inconceivable that Rudi has lost a step. No idea if he has or not but it's certainly not impossible.
I still don't understand this "lost a step" crap...the guy has a bum hammy, of course he's lost a step! give him a couple of more weeks to recover before you all proclaim his career over...yeesh.
Rudi had 76 total yds week 1, 151 yds week 2, and got hurt week 3. It's not like he was playing like a bum before he got injured.
Rudi had 76 total yds week 1, 151 yds week 2, and got hurt week 3. It's not like he was playing like a bum before he got injured.
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
After Corey Dillon turned 28, he put up 5832 Rush & Receiving Yards + 48 Touchdowns in 72 games over 5 seasons.That's an average of 1300 yards + 10.6 TDs per 16 game season.Yeah. That sucks. Rudi is all washed up I guess.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
yeah... look at the team he played for..
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
And this is relevant how? Corey Dillon is Corey Dillon. Rudi Johnson is Rudi Johnson.
PranksterJD
Footballguy
My original point was that the Bengals may have a history of grabbing younger RBs and pushing them into the forefront, even if their current feature back is playing well. I do **not** think that Rudi is "washed up", but if Cincy was willing to draft Rudi when Corey was playing solid ( other than the occasional car accident ), then they might be willing to do the same to Rudi if they believe Irons could do the job. A second round pick is an awfully high price to pay for a RB you're going to stash on the pine.Certainly one example doesn't make a rule, but this is something to keep in mind.Some stats:Corey in 2001 ( before drafting Rudi ) 1435 yds, 4.6 avg, 7 TDs, 16 gamesCorey in 2003 ( before trade to NE ) 541 yds, 3.9 avg, 2 TDs, 11 gamesRudi in 2006 ( before drafting Irons ) 1309, 3.8 avg, 12 TDs, 15 gamesRudi in 2007 ( projected based on 4 ) 740 yds, 3.0 avg, 4 TDs, 12 games
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Kirby
Footballguy
Rudi always plays like a bum... no burst and just dances around in the backfield. Their great line carried him. Now their line is either hurt or playing for the browns.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Man, they've been doing this since Corey left. Rudi has finished in the top ten in rushing every year and people still write him off. The response here is not surprising but most of them will vanish like a thief in the night when Rudi rides back to the top.
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SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
The bolded part is utter nonesense.What history are you talking about?
Corey Dillon was the unquestioned, unchallenged starter for a few years before Rudi came along.
So your basing this history on a sample size of 1?
DWidmar
Footballguy
I read an article that talked about how Rudi has basically a poor work ethic and poor attitude. He is the last one on the practice field and the first one off the practice field. He walks around like he doesn't want to be there and the coaches think his body language is bad for the team. That was a big reason for drafting Irons. If I find that article, I will post it in this thread.
This could have more to do with his being in Cincy in 2008 than his production.
This could have more to do with his being in Cincy in 2008 than his production.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If I'd sacrificed my body for that turd of a team like he has the last four seasons, I'd mope around to
f all the guys that they're going to single out for a poor attitude, HE'S the one? 
I would really like to see that article if possible. EVERYTHING I have ever read says the exact OPPOSITE of this in regards to Rudi's work ethic and his attitude on the team. The main reason the Bengals got rid of Dillon was not due to Dillon getting hurt, it was because he was a team cancer the year he got injured (publicly badmouthing the team, got benched for showing up late to a game, etc.) Everything I have read or seen prior to this mention has said he is the consummate team player.
The_U
Footballguy
Pretty big Bungals fan here myself and I've never heard anything that supports the notion Rudi is anything but a team player dedicated to the big picture. I think the phantom article reference may be confusing him with a different player.If it appears and is validated I'll gladly eat my words, but for all the things that can be said about Rudi possibly losing his grip on the starting gig in Cincy - from a physical decline standpoint (legit), character flaws are not an issue I know of.
I've read many times (and I'm no doctor) that it USUALLY takes players 2 years to recover FULLY from a torn ACL. Or to atleast get back to 100%. Now, I imagine Irons will be in the mix for playing time in 2008, but I find the notion of him taking over the starting spot so soon highly dubious.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
For a pro athlete, it usually takes 2 years to FULLY recover from ACL repair surgery, that being said some players can play well after one year. The fact that Irons tore his ACL in the pre-season, could mean that he could be productive in 2008, provided his rehab goes well.However, Deuce McAllister tore his ACL early in the season a couple years back and played well enough the following season. Unfortunately I can't think of many other RB's who tore ACL's and came back the following season. QB's who recently tore ACL's and played the following season: Carson Palmer (tore his ACL towards the end of the season) played pretty well the following year after less than a full year to recover and McNabb, who the jury is still out on.WR's who recently tore ACL's and played the following season: Javon Walker played well the year after tearing his ACL early in the season and Braylon Edwards began playing less than a year after tearing his ACL and managed to put a solid season together last year.That's all I can think of off the top of my head. It's hardly a big sample size, especially RB's, but players can be effective their first year back from ACL repair. Whether Irons can or will be, won't be known until training camp next year.
Kirby
Footballguy
If Perry is healthy, he's the best all around back on the team.
has he ever been healthy? isnt he a joke? i mean he's been there 3 yrs right and hasnt played due to inuries?i am kind of joking, but kind of serious here... isn't a permanent injury, or do you really think he can get it together?
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PranksterJD
Footballguy
Changed the bold to better illustrate my actual thoughts. What does Corey being the unquestioned, unchallenged starter mean? If anything, it shows that unquestioned, unchallenged starters can be replaced even if they're doing well, as Rudi ( an unquestioned, unchallenged starter ) could be.SuperJohn96 said:
Yes, its a sample size of 1, but its (a) the most recent 1 example, and (b) 100% of the examples we have for the Marvin Lewis/Bengals administration. Something to bet your house over, absolutely not. But I don't think its something to completely throw away without consideration either. For the record, my money would be on Rudi as the starter next year.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Perry has never been healthy, so I have my doubts he will ever make a contribution. I can see Perry injuring himself taking a dump.
Schrute
Footballguy
Dillon was the starter until he got hurt. He missed a few games, and in that time, Rudi came in and did really well. So once they saw they had another option in Rudi, they decided to get rid of the malcontent Dillon. That's the only reason. It's not like Dillon was doing great and they just decided to turn it over to Rudi. The only situation like that where the Bengals were involved was when they gave the QB job to Palmer at the start of the season over a healthy Jon Kitna, who had played pretty well. Rudi got his opportunity due to a Dillon injury. Completely different situation here, IMO.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
You keep throwing that around like there should be some major significance to that. But the reality is that fact isn't all that significant. Rudi had 1039 carries over the last 3 years. He also had 61 catches for a total of 1100 touches the last 3 yearsgman8343 said:
Edge had 1031 carries of the last 3 years. He also had 133 catches for a total of 1164 touches the last 3 years
LT had 1026 carries of the last 3 years. He also had 160 catches for a total of 1166 touches the last 3 years
Rudi had 13 more carries than LT and 8 more than Edge but both had more than 60 more touches when the catches are included.
Also, I haven't gone back to look but these stats don't include playoff carries. Edge was in the playoffs with Indy. LT was in the playoffs the last couple of years. Not sure on how many playoff appearances Rudi has other than last year. But considering how close the carry totals are between the 3, that stat about Rudi carrying more than anyone is not all that significant.
I would guess that an analysis of variance on 1039, 1031, and 1026 would yield no significant differences.
