Who will do better: R Williams or Santonio Holmes? (1 Viewer)

[Sammy Traveller]

Roy is pouting.

Santonio was invisible in Game 1 but did better Game 2, although not as productive as Ward.

who will do better over the long term this year?

 

[jwojdylo]

My guess would be Santonio even though they are both a bit of a head case....but what NFL WR is not?

 

[YoUnG GuNz]

Santonio is the #1 make no mistake about that. However Roy is the number 2 on a pass heavy team. Slight advantage Holmes I'd say.

 

[FFdork]

Yeah, I'd say it's a coin toss. My gut says Santonio finishes a little higher.

I'm also a little worried about Roy having a complete meltdown about playing rhythm guitar while Calvin shred's on lead.

 

[Raider Nation]

I'd rather have Santonio.

He's the lead dog.

He's got the better QB.

He's a home run hitter.

Play action (resulting in long TDs) will work better in Pitt than Detroit. Better running game + more leads = safties biting.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

hmmmm.....

didn't Santonio do good last year because Hines Ward was hurt? Ward is healthy now and he's been more productive than Holmes.

 

[thehornet]

I'd rather have Santonio.He's the lead dog. He's got the better QB. He's a home run hitter.Play action (resulting in long TDs) will work better in Pitt than Detroit. Better running game + more leads = safties biting.

ward is the main guy. reality.

 

[Raider Nation]

To the last two posters:

Holmes is the deep threat. In game one, they destroyed the Texans and didn't need to throw all that much. In game two, they were playing in what was basically a hurricane. If you'd rather have Ward than Holmes, knock yourself out. Ward will have more catches. Holmes will have more yards and TDs (and Ward has a 3-0 lead in TDs as I type this)...

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

The love for Holmes fascinates me.

Ben is gonna throw 18-20 times per game, except 3 times per year when he's gonna hang 3 or 4 TDs on some hapless squad.

Ward ain't done yet.

But the preseason schtick was Ward is fading away and Holmes is going to emerge as a top 10 WR.

Santonio will have 2 weeks where he looks like a Roy Williams or Boldin or Colston, but the rest of the year, he's Randle El.

 

[thehornet]

To the last two posters:Holmes is the deep threat. In game one, they destroyed the Texans and didn't need to throw all that much. In game two, they were playing in what was basically a hurricane. If you'd rather have Ward than Holmes, knock yourself out. Ward will have more catches. Holmes will have more yards and TDs (and Ward has a 3-0 lead in TDs as I type this)...

you are wrong man. Ward still has gas in the tank. he will have more catches and t's. at least for one more year, ward is the guy.

 

[FFdork]

The love for Holmes fascinates me.Ben is gonna throw 18-20 times per game, except 3 times per year when he's gonna hang 3 or 4 TDs on some hapless squad.Ward ain't done yet.But the preseason schtick was Ward is fading away and Holmes is going to emerge as a top 10 WR.Santonio will have 2 weeks where he looks like a Roy Williams or Boldin or Colston, but the rest of the year, he's Randle El.

The number of times Ben throws will certainly limit Holmes's upside, and I would rather have Boldin or a healthy Colston. I still think it's a toss up between Roy and Santonio. I think both will finish as WR2s.

 

[Raider Nation]

"Wow" is all I can say. Gonna be lots of people kicking themselves for not recognizing Santonio's immense ability.

My work here is done. Have a nice thread.

 

[thehornet]

"Wow" is all I can say. Gonna be lots of people kicking themselves for not recognizing Santonio's immense ability.My work here is done. Have a nice thread.

dude, i love him, but it is obvious that ward still is ben's #1 for 1 more year. most thought the changing of the guard would happen this year, but it looks like it'll be next year.

 

[EBF]

Santonio will have 2 weeks where he looks like a Roy Williams or Boldin or Colston, but the rest of the year, he's Randle El.

Meh. Might want to check his game log from last season. He was fairly consistent. Not spectacular, but solid. I'd gladly trade Roy for Holmes in any format.

 

[Bruno Tataglia]

"Wow" is all I can say. Gonna be lots of people kicking themselves for not recognizing Santonio's immense ability.

My work here is done. Have a nice thread.

dude, i love him, but it is obvious that ward still is ben's #1 for 1 more year. most thought the changing of the guard would happen this year, but it looks like it'll be next year.

really?are you basing that off game #1 where Ben threw 14 times in a blowout win, or game #2 which featured 50mph winds and safe throws were called for?

 

[facook]

I had so much man love for Holmes that I passed on Calvin AND Boldin for him. Needless to say, I'm kicking myself after 2 games. But maybe Raider Nation's right and I'll end up vindicated.

 

[Loopdog]

Santonio is a VERY VERY good WR. He will show everyone his talents this year, do not worry. Guy can go deep, over the middle or take the short pass to the house. Love his after the catch ability and his ability to separate. Wait until the Steelers have a game in which they are challenged, very likely this weekend.

 

[FUBAR]

"Wow" is all I can say. Gonna be lots of people kicking themselves for not recognizing Santonio's immense ability.

My work here is done. Have a nice thread.

dude, i love him, but it is obvious that ward still is ben's #1 for 1 more year. most thought the changing of the guard would happen this year, but it looks like it'll be next year.

really?are you basing that off game #1 where Ben threw 14 times in a blowout win, or game #2 which featured 50mph winds and safe throws were called for?

He won't put up elite stats, but Holmes is one of the better WRs in the league. Much better than Roy and without the emotional baggage. Better QB, better talent, better focused, better mental state. It's no contest, long term. For this year, I'm thinking Holmes 10-15 range, Roy 15-20.

 

[SSOG]

"Wow" is all I can say. Gonna be lots of people kicking themselves for not recognizing Santonio's immense ability.My work here is done. Have a nice thread.

Agreed. Santonio has serious, serious skills. Not the kind that show up on Sportscenter's top 10 plays of the day, but the kind that show up in little ways on every play. I think he's one of the 15 best WRs in the NFL.

 

[thehornet]

"Wow" is all I can say. Gonna be lots of people kicking themselves for not recognizing Santonio's immense ability.

My work here is done. Have a nice thread.

dude, i love him, but it is obvious that ward still is ben's #1 for 1 more year. most thought the changing of the guard would happen this year, but it looks like it'll be next year.

really?are you basing that off game #1 where Ben threw 14 times in a blowout win, or game #2 which featured 50mph winds and safe throws were called for?

i honestly dont know why you are laughing. I am basing this off of reality, please join anytime.

 

[RBM]

The love for Holmes fascinates me.Ben is gonna throw 18-20 times per game, except 3 times per year when he's gonna hang 3 or 4 TDs on some hapless squad.Ward ain't done yet.But the preseason schtick was Ward is fading away and Holmes is going to emerge as a top 10 WR.Santonio will have 2 weeks where he looks like a Roy Williams or Boldin or Colston, but the rest of the year, he's Randle El.

Steelers arent going to manhandle every opponent this year, so there are going to be games where Ben is going to have to throw the ball.And Santonio will have 2 weeks where he looks like a Roy Williams? What the hell does that even mean? Roy Williams has sucked every year except that one.

 

[HoTnickZ]

I drafted Santonio, before Calvin.. luckily I got CJ at my next pick.

I've been contemplating whether to sell with Ben's shoulder worries added to the concerns, but I'll probably wait it out.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

The love for Holmes fascinates me.

Ben is gonna throw 18-20 times per game, except 3 times per year when he's gonna hang 3 or 4 TDs on some hapless squad.

Ward ain't done yet.

But the preseason schtick was Ward is fading away and Holmes is going to emerge as a top 10 WR.

Santonio will have 2 weeks where he looks like a Roy Williams or Boldin or Colston, but the rest of the year, he's Randle El.

Steelers arent going to manhandle every opponent this year, so there are going to be games where Ben is going to have to throw the ball.And Santonio will have 2 weeks where he looks like a Roy Williams? What the hell does that even mean? Roy Williams has sucked every year except that one.

Paraphrasing, Roy Williams has sucked except when he didn't suck.

I stand by my confidence in Ward and my lack of faith in Holmes.

 

[pghrob]

Holmes will finish higher than Roy Williams. For those of you down on Santonio as a result of Hines' quicker start, be patient. It has only been two weeks. If you need to be reminded of why you were high on Santonio, re-read this story as pre-season was winding down and just calm down.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08236/906493-66.stm

Steelers Notebook: Holmes forges bond with Roethlisberger

Saturday, August 23, 2008

By Ed Bouchette and Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Santonio Holmes has played four series, or less than half a game in the preseason, yet has done more damage than anyone else.

He has three catches, two touchdowns and an average of 24 yards a reception. The bond between him and his quarterback grows stronger.

The communication between Holmes and Ben Roethlisberger never has been better. In the first game against Philadelphia, Roethlisberger sensed a blitz, and Holmes knew what his quarterback wanted to do, even though it wasn't in the playbook. Instead of running a slant, Holmes stayed put near the sideline on the left. Roethlisberger wheeled quickly that way, threw him a strike, and Holmes left a safety flat-footed on way to a 19-yard touchdown.

Against Buffalo, Roethlisberger hit Hines Ward on a 24-yard slant over the middle in which Holmes also flashed open.

"I told him the first time we ran that play that I had an opportunity to run past the guy," Holmes said. "He came back into the huddle and told me, 'go deep.'"

Roethlisberger hit him in the end zone with a 40-yard strike.

"He trusts me," Holmes said. "I trust him to put the ball where it's supposed to be."

Roethlisberger said it's a natural progression.

"It's just working together. I understand where he's going to be; he understands what I'm looking for. We put a lot of work in this offseason, just him and me on the field. The smallest questions you can ask him: If you're wide open, where do you want the ball? Up around your shoulders? In your stomach? Just little things like that, and I think it's paid off so far."

Holmes led all NFL receivers with an average of 18.2 yards per catch on 52 receptions, and he caught eight touchdown passes. He missed three games with injuries.

"I want to play 16 games this year,'' Holmes said. "That's my biggest goal this year, and the numbers and the yards will speak for themselves."

 

[RBM]

The love for Holmes fascinates me.

Ben is gonna throw 18-20 times per game, except 3 times per year when he's gonna hang 3 or 4 TDs on some hapless squad.

Ward ain't done yet.

But the preseason schtick was Ward is fading away and Holmes is going to emerge as a top 10 WR.

Santonio will have 2 weeks where he looks like a Roy Williams or Boldin or Colston, but the rest of the year, he's Randle El.

Steelers arent going to manhandle every opponent this year, so there are going to be games where Ben is going to have to throw the ball.And Santonio will have 2 weeks where he looks like a Roy Williams? What the hell does that even mean? Roy Williams has sucked every year except that one.

Paraphrasing, Roy Williams has sucked except when he didn't suck.

I stand by my confidence in Ward and my lack of faith in Holmes.

How many years has Roy played? How many has he sucked?