Who Will Have Big Breakouts in '09? (1 Viewer)

[kremenull]

I'm not talking about just nice numbers, I'm talking about jumping right into the upper-echelon of the best guys in the league type of numbers. Ala Calvin, A-Rodge, Rivers, and Jennings did last year, who can make that same type of leap this year? Here is my list, in order, based on my confidence level (in parentheses) that they will achieve it.

1. Darren McFadden (98%) - Yes, virtually a slam dunk that stardom (fantasy, as well as reality) will arrive for RUN-DMc this season. All of the doubters (in his skill level) and the haters (of the Raiders, of course) will be silenced in '09. At a ridiculously low ADP (I've gotten him in the very tail end of the 3rd and seen him in the early 4th in dynasty drafts thus far), I'd buy while supply lasts as the market for acquiring him will certainly become much more expensive very soon.

2. Ronnie Brown (92%) - With added beef up front (C Jake Grove), look for the 'Fins to grind it out on the ground even more in '09. And with Brown fully recovered from a severe knee injury almost 2 years ago, the explosiveness will be there and I expect Brown to have a monster season, potentially Top 4-6 amongst RBs. He's tantalized and teased us in the past, but finally, in '09, "RB" does it big.....don't miss the boat on this one

3. Dwayne Bowe (91%) - Hard to find WRs to fit this category, so I'll take one of the obvious choices here. Most already believe this, so no need to elaborate much here. Haley seems to be able to get guys to reach their potential (Haley's been credited with being very integral in Fitz making the leap to true superstardom), so Bowe should take note and work hard and he too can get there.

4. Greg Olsen (88%) - With the arrival of Cutler, Olsen stands to benefit the most. A TE who can get vertical and is a mismatch for either a LB or safety, look for Olsen to line up all over the field this year and become the favorite target of "JC". Olsen will be right on the heels of, if not surpass them, Gates and Gonzo, but probably still significantly behind Witten though, at least in terms of total catches. His ypc should be amongst the best at his position and I would not be surprised to see 8-10 TDs from Olsen this year. The only potential "buzz-kill" here is if for some reason the Bears offensive coaches continue to utilize D.Clark on way too many snaps......again.

Well, that's all the freebies for now.....no real sleepers but then again, that shouldn't be what you were expecting with the thread title and opening line.

 

[EBF]

1. Darren McFadden (98%) - Yes, virtually a slam dunk that stardom (fantasy, as well as reality) will arrive for RUN-DMc this season. All of the doubters (in his skill level) and the haters (of the Raiders, of course) will be silenced in '09. At a ridiculously low ADP (I've gotten him in the very tail end of the 3rd and seen him in the early 4th in dynasty drafts thus far), I'd buy while supply lasts as the market for acquiring him will certainly become much more expensive very soon.

 

[kremenull]

I'm not talking about just nice numbers, I'm talking about jumping right into the upper-echelon of the best guys in the league type of numbers. Ala Calvin, A-Rodge, Rivers, and Jennings did last year, who can make that same type of leap this year? Here is my list, in order, based on my confidence level (in parentheses) that they will achieve it.1. Darren McFadden (98%) - Yes, virtually a slam dunk that stardom (fantasy, as well as reality) will arrive for RUN-DMc this season. All of the doubters (in his skill level) and the haters (of the Raiders, of course) will be silenced in '09. At a ridiculously low ADP (I've gotten him in the very tail end of the 3rd and seen him in the early 4th in dynasty drafts thus far), I'd buy while supply lasts as the market for acquiring him will certainly become much more expensive very soon.2. Ronnie Brown (92%) - With added beef up front (C Jake Grove), look for the 'Fins to grind it out on the ground even more in '09. And with Brown fully recovered from a severe knee injury almost 2 years ago, the explosiveness will be there and I expect Brown to have a monster season, potentially Top 4-6 amongst RBs. He's tantalized and teased us in the past, but finally, in '09, "RB" does it big.....don't miss the boat on this one3. Dwayne Bowe (91%) - Hard to find WRs to fit this category, so I'll take one of the obvious choices here. Most already believe this, so no need to elaborate much here. Haley seems to be able to get guys to reach their potential (Haley's been credited with being very integral in Fitz making the leap to true superstardom), so Bowe should take note and work hard and he too can get there. 4. Greg Olsen (88%) - With the arrival of Cutler, Olsen stands to benefit the most. A TE who can get vertical and is a mismatch for either a LB or safety, look for Olsen to line up all over the field this year and become the favorite target of "JC". Olsen will be right on the heels of, if not surpass them, Gates and Gonzo, but probably still significantly behind Witten though, at least in terms of total catches. His ypc should be amongst the best at his position and I would not be surprised to see 8-10 TDs from Olsen this year. The only potential "buzz-kill" here is if for some reason the Bears offensive coaches continue to utilize D.Clark on way too many snaps......again. Well, that's all the freebies for now.....no real sleepers but then again, that shouldn't be what you were expecting with the thread title and opening line.

Add one more to the list....5. "Beanie" Wells (85%) - Instant stud. Take note of the analogy. Pretty good RB has very good season for a good, promising team. Enter 1st RD pick RB whom good team reportedly didn't really need since they already had a pretty good RB. Well, move over C.Taylor, enter "All-Day" Pete.......similarly, move over Timmy "High-Top", enter the "Beanie-Man". Yeah, he's not quite Peterson (who is?), but he's darn good....much better than most seem to think around here.

 

[Otis]

 

[HellToupee]

I'm not talking about just nice numbers, I'm talking about jumping right into the upper-echelon of the best guys in the league type of numbers. Ala Calvin, A-Rodge, Rivers, and Jennings did last year, who can make that same type of leap this year? Here is my list, in order, based on my confidence level (in parentheses) that they will achieve it.1. Darren McFadden (98%) - Yes, virtually a slam dunk that stardom (fantasy, as well as reality) will arrive for RUN-DMc this season. All of the doubters (in his skill level) and the haters (of the Raiders, of course) will be silenced in '09. At a ridiculously low ADP (I've gotten him in the very tail end of the 3rd and seen him in the early 4th in dynasty drafts thus far), I'd buy while supply lasts as the market for acquiring him will certainly become much more expensive very soon.

I'm going to target McFadden in every redraft and I hope he'll have an attractive # for the FBG contest

 

[HellToupee]

 

[Ripleys]

Moreno

McCoy

Nicks

Robiskie

Tate

Dillard

Why? Because I just drafted them in my dynasty league startup.

 

[TaxMan]

big breakouts, top-10 in 2009 (PPR)

QBs - Matt Schaub

RBs - Ronnie Brown, Reggie Bush

WRs - Dwyane Bowe, Roy Williams

mini-breakouts, top 20sh, before the real breakout in 2010)

RBs - Felix Jones, Stewart

WRs - Santonio Holmes, Desean Jackson, Devin Hester

and yes, i'm invested in most of these guys in dynasty leagues.

 

[King of the Jungle]

big breakouts, top-10 in 2009 (PPR)

QBs - Matt Schaub

RBs - Ronnie Brown, Reggie Bush

WRs - Dwyane Bowe, Roy Williams

mini-breakouts, top 20sh, before the real breakout in 2010)

RBs - Felix Jones, Stewart

WRs - Santonio Holmes, Desean Jackson, Devin Hester

Shhhh.............

and yes, i'm invested in most of these guys in dynasty leagues.

 

[Blackjacks]

big breakouts, top-10 in 2009 (PPR)

QBs - Matt Schaub

RBs - Ronnie Brown, Reggie Bush

WRs - Dwyane Bowe, Roy Williams

mini-breakouts, top 20sh, before the real breakout in 2010)

RBs - Felix Jones, Stewart

WRs - Santonio Holmes, Desean Jackson, Devin Hester

Shhhh.............

and yes, i'm invested in most of these guys in dynasty leagues.

Nice listI was also add Leon Washington with Felix and J-Stew

 

[finito]

Nice list, any and all could deliver.

Not quite sold on Bowe yet, we'll see what he does with no Tony G drawing coverage. And I still think Ronnie Brown will share carries, somewhat limiting his stats (and Pat White may steal some of his runs from the wildcat).

Couple of guys I really like:

Steve Slaton, who I think could slide into the top 5 in ppr leagues. Absolutely love this guy. Does everything well and is a threat to score from anywhere. Was overshadowed by Chris Johnson last year, but after this season he'll have left his own mark.

Chad Ocho Cinco - not that he wasn't considered elite before last season, but this is going to be a huge comeback year for him IMO. 1300+ yds, 10 TDs. Buy low.

Lee Evans - with TO pulling coverage away, I have a feeling Evans is going to get deep, and get deep often. Could see him posting career highs in yds and TDs.

 

[Gopher State]

Here's my picks:

QB Simms Denver, stud WR's great TE, and he only has to beat out Orton, bad D means lots of catching up?

WR Bowe, the stars are alligned on this one

WR Berrian, Favre's coming to town( please wait until July 1 to attack this statement), and with AP and the gadget plays with Harvin, they be some deep love for BB

RB Kevin Smith, finished strong last year, no RBBC here, it's his turn to break out

TE John Carson, with TJ, Branch, NB, this kid will be open, and did I forget a healthy Hass

Don't see the love for DMC, still have huggy bear II and bush in the back field to share the carries, still no real WR's in Oakland (DHB aka Troy Williamson) it be 8 in box all the time for DMC, plus turf toe in both feet does that ever go away?

 

[dmac37]

QB Schaub- I would like to invest in Texans stock as I think they are the next elite offense, Schaub is the leader on an offense that should be near the top.

RB R. Brown- less of a RBBC this year, also year 2 with Parcells usually means success and this will give Brown more chances to rack up FF points and TD's.

WR Hester- top QB's make WR's better. Hester was on a path to improve before Cutler, now he is in position to break out.

*Bonus pick*

Ray Rice- McClain at FB and McGahee on shaky ground could make Rice a Cam Cameron prototype FF RB stud. If McGahee is still heavy in the mix then Rice will have his breakout in 2010.

 

[comfortably numb]

Good write up...

When looking for breakout guys in the upcoming season, what I like to do is try to come up with a very rough draft of a mock for the following year.

So in 2010 I could see the following guys being 1st RD picks or at the least one of the 1st few selected at their position.

QB

Matt Ryan

Might seem like I am not going on a limb, but he is ranked QB9 Dynasty and QB11Re-draft in the FBG Rankings.

I think heading into 2010 Ryan will make a case as 1 of the top 3 QB's taken.

The addition of Gonzalez will have a big impact IMO.

It will give Ryan a safety valve, a good redzone target, and give a great opportunity for a WR2 to step up.

RB

Knowshown Moreno

We all love our young RB's.

Much like Forte is in consideration as a top 5 pick in PPR leagues this year, I can see Moreno having a good enough year to warrant discussion to being a top 1st RD pick in 2010. He is currently RB11 in Dynasty rankings and RB19 in Re-draft.

WR

Lee Evans

He is currently WR22 in Dynasty rankings and 35 in re-draft rakings.

I see the stars lined up for him to be highly valued in 2010.

TO will be the main WR anyone talks about in BUF this year, making Evans unnoticed both in the media and on the field.

Evans has always been that player everyone seems to want to believe he can be a top 10 guy.

He will get it done in 2009 and be drafted highly in 2010 drafts...at that point...sell high.

TE

Zach Miller

Currently TE8 in the rankings,

I could see him being a top 3 selection in 2010.

Getting into the endzone last year is the only thing that kept him from being HIGHLY regarded for 2009.

86 targets

56 REC

778 yards

1 TD

Of the TE's with 50+ receptions, he had the highest yard per reception with 13.9

DHB will help keep the DB's 2 steps back, which should allow for Russell's favorite target to see more catches.

 

[Crippler]

I like your breakdown Numb

QB: Trent Edwards. I see a RIvers/Rodgers type of escalation in draft status next year. Love the additions of TO and Nelson along with Rhodes. I like the talk of the no huddle as a big stepping stond also, TO has made stars out of many QB and the trend will continue. Now just need Levi Jones there to complete this

RB: I will go the other rookie in Wells who I see as a 1st rounder next year. I expect big things and he is coming way cheaper than Moreno going by the SSL redrafts.

WR: Holmes is the man for me. I think the playoffs last year was what we will see much more this season. He is now going bottom 4th and I see a rise to bottom 2nd like Dwayne Bowe is going now. PIttsburgh to me is loving the pass way more these days. I do like the Ohco love also

TE: I like the Zach Miller talk. Hopefully the WR's and McFadden will not make him the only target this year worth covering.

 

[travdogg]

Nice list, any and all could deliver.Not quite sold on Bowe yet, we'll see what he does with no Tony G drawing coverage.

I like Bowe's talent, but he's being over valued in my opinion. I'm not convinced with Gonzo gone that Bowe doesn't become another Lee Evans, yes he's talented, but is he good enough to thrive with constant double coverage? I'm not saying he'll be a bust or anything like that, but I don't think its a lock that his numbers improve much, if at all, from his 2008. I think he's very risky to take among the top-10 WR's. I'd like to submit Dustin Keller to the list, I like Sanchez and feel Clemens is underrated so QB shouldn't be a problem. He's also the #2 weapon in the passing game and could see far more red zone targets this year as he'll be a starter as opposed to a pseudo starter like last year where he kinda backed up Chris Baker except in passing situations. I think he can be a top-5 TE this year.I very much agree with the OP on McFadden. In PPR leagues I can very easily see him being a solid RB1 with a little luck.Finally, and this one is kind of cheap as its not so much a breakout as much as a guy I think is underrated...Brandon Marshall, it seems like people are really down on him and I think people are really underestimating his talent level. I've seen him outside of many top-15s and I think that's a major steal. It would surprise me one bit if he finished in the top-5. Orton is underrated and Marshall was playing well below 100% for almost all of last season. The hip thing is a positive to me as it needed to be fixed as he was having trouble separating late last year and they believe that was the problem. Also his hand should be fully healed and(unlike Shanny) McDaniels actually targets WRs in the red zone. I'm expecting close to the same amount of yardage, a higher YPC and a career high in TD's this year. the only thing that can prevent that is a suspension that right now I don't believe is coming. For the record I'd take Marshall at least a round or 2 above Bowe and among the top-10 WRs.

 

[Tanner9919]

Let's wait-n-see if McFadden isn't another Chris Brown-esque 'talented,fast,yet always hurt RB'

Bowe is in line for a huge breakout season..Forget about the notion that losing Gonzalez will hurt his numbers because that is couterbalanced by the fact that the Chiefs picked up a much better QB in Cassel than Thigpen & Co., they've also picked up an aggressive coaching staff that is hell-bent on passing the ball...Bowe is going to become another AJ/Fitz, i.e., big strong powerful WR who can make the big play, can score from anywhere on the field at any time.

Vincent Jackson - this is his year..SD might transition to a more pass-oriented offense now with LT2 slowing down and looking like a shell of his former self..SD passed the ball quite a bit in 2008, and Jackson recorded 3 100+ yard games, 2 in the final 4 weeks of the season. Among WR's with 50+ catches last year, V. J. was tops in the NFL at a whopping 18.6 yards per catch.

McNabb - this could be one of his finest season's in the NFL..great draft for Philly giving him a lot of tools to work with.

I agree with the other posters on:

Ray Rice

S. Slaton

Shaub

Michael Bush -can't trust McFadden to play all 16 games.

Brandon Jacobs - NY might lean on the running game more than ever, now that they've lost Ward to free agency and they've released Burress. The uncertainty at Burress' WR spot will continue to linger if Nicks can't fill his shoes.

Ginn, Jr. - last year the focus was on runing the ball and using the Wildcat offense, this year I think Miami tries to spread things out a bit, opening up the play book, allowing Ginn becomes a poor-man's Steve Smith ( Carolina)..Big play wr with blazing speed who should be more involved in this his 3rd NFL season..might catch upwards of 75 balls this season..

LenDale White - mini-breakout might be at hand..not sure Chris Johnson is the model of durability judging by his post-season meltdown , and only once did he rush more than 20 times in a single game..

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Oh wow. The Zach Miller hype-train is starting back up already?

 

[David Yudkin]

For those pimping Wells, I am wondering if people care at all about the fact that the Cardinals historically have been TERRIBLE at running the football (and they have lately been EXCELLENT at passing it).

Over the past TEN SEASONS, the average ranking in team rushing has been:

26th in rushing attempts

27th in rushing yards

21st in rushing TD

27th in ypc (ranking Bottom 10 in 9 of those 10 years)

For those pointing to ADP in MIN, the Vikings were an average rushing team the year before but had made an effort to upgrade their OL. Whatever the Cardinals have tried hasn't had much effect.

 

[ATC1]

For those pimping Wells, I am wondering if people care at all about the fact that the Cardinals historically have been TERRIBLE at running the football (and they have lately been EXCELLENT at passing it).Over the past TEN SEASONS, the average ranking in team rushing has been:26th in rushing attempts27th in rushing yards21st in rushing TD27th in ypc (ranking Bottom 10 in 9 of those 10 years)For those pointing to ADP in MIN, the Vikings were an average rushing team the year before but had made an effort to upgrade their OL. Whatever the Cardinals have tried hasn't had much effect.

You also have to take into account that Wells will have to be able to pick up the biltz and know his role in pass coverage to get that type of play time, especially in Arizona. Not too easy for a rookie RB to pick up.

 

[FUBAR]

For those pimping Wells, I am wondering if people care at all about the fact that the Cardinals historically have been TERRIBLE at running the football (and they have lately been EXCELLENT at passing it).Over the past TEN SEASONS, the average ranking in team rushing has been:26th in rushing attempts27th in rushing yards21st in rushing TD27th in ypc (ranking Bottom 10 in 9 of those 10 years)For those pointing to ADP in MIN, the Vikings were an average rushing team the year before but had made an effort to upgrade their OL. Whatever the Cardinals have tried hasn't had much effect.

true, but aside from an Edge past his prime, the Cards haven't had a quality RB. Edge was able to get over 1,000 yards in 06 and 07. Wells could approach that if he learns the other facets of the game.

 

[gonzobill5]

For those pimping Wells, I am wondering if people care at all about the fact that the Cardinals historically have been TERRIBLE at running the football (and they have lately been EXCELLENT at passing it).Over the past TEN SEASONS, the average ranking in team rushing has been:26th in rushing attempts27th in rushing yards21st in rushing TD27th in ypc (ranking Bottom 10 in 9 of those 10 years)For those pointing to ADP in MIN, the Vikings were an average rushing team the year before but had made an effort to upgrade their OL. Whatever the Cardinals have tried hasn't had much effect.

This truly has me concerned. I remember reading an article about Edge during his first Arizona training camp where he mentioned how difficult it was to adjust to the climate with regard to his conditioning. In cardinals history (limited to their time in arizona), they've had only 1 back who averaged more than 4.0 ypc while going over 200 carries.Take that for what its worth, as Arizona hasn't exactly been a powerhouse. But, as a runner, I know that I feel the effects of running in different climates, and it takes me a long time to adjust completely.

 

[gonzobill5]

For those pimping Wells, I am wondering if people care at all about the fact that the Cardinals historically have been TERRIBLE at running the football (and they have lately been EXCELLENT at passing it).Over the past TEN SEASONS, the average ranking in team rushing has been:26th in rushing attempts27th in rushing yards21st in rushing TD27th in ypc (ranking Bottom 10 in 9 of those 10 years)For those pointing to ADP in MIN, the Vikings were an average rushing team the year before but had made an effort to upgrade their OL. Whatever the Cardinals have tried hasn't had much effect.

true, but aside from an Edge past his prime, the Cards haven't had a quality RB. Edge was able to get over 1,000 yards in 06 and 07. Wells could approach that if he learns the other facets of the game.

I think that is a debatable point:Edgerrin James, JJ Arrington, Thomas Jones, Michael Pittman, Garrison Hearst, Emmitt Smith, Adrian MurrellAll of these guys (with the exception of JJ) were a lot better when they weren't in Arizona. Sure, some were past their prime or even way past their prime. Others, you might say, hadn't hit their prime yet. But take a look at how the lowest YPC of their respective careers always happened in Arizona before making a decision. If you say that the common denominator is a bad O-line (which I'll admit is more likely than the climate), convince me that Arizona's offensive line will be better in 09.

 

[EBF]

I'm not a big Wells fan, but I don't see how the struggles of previous Cardinals RBs are relevant to his chances of success.

There's nothing inherent in the situation that prevents RBs from being successful in Arizona.

 

[Zoomanji]

I'm not a big Wells fan, but I don't see how the struggles of previous Cardinals RBs are relevant to his chances of success.There's nothing inherent in the situation that prevents RBs from being successful in Arizona.

Using that flawed theory, Jay Cutler will turn into Rex Grossman.

 

[-baller]

maroney.

 

[gonzobill5]

I'm not a big Wells fan, but I don't see how the struggles of previous Cardinals RBs are relevant to his chances of success.There's nothing inherent in the situation that prevents RBs from being successful in Arizona.

Using that flawed theory, Jay Cutler will turn into Rex Grossman.

I wouldn't be all that surprised if Cutler struggled to reach the same production that he's enjoyed in Denver. We all know the effects of climate in baseball - why is it such a stretch to think they could be present to some degree in football?

 

[bollerama]

maroney.

I see him producing better than people expect, but I wouldn't say he's going to have a monster year, not this season at least. NE will play a bunch of guys, and Maroney may get more touches than anyone but he'll still be in a RBBC. I do think people have written him off way too early though.

 

[-baller]

maroney.

I see him producing better than people expect, but I wouldn't say he's going to have a monster year, not this season at least. NE will play a bunch of guys, and Maroney may get more touches than anyone but he'll still be in a RBBC. I do think people have written him off way too early though.

I think that rbbc term can be overused.has jacobs been rbbc?deangelo?chris johnson?how about mojo competing against our own fred taylor?there's no reason you have to log 30 carries/game to be fantasy productive, and IF maroney stays healthy, I think he stands a good chance at working his way into a 2-1 carry situation in a highly productive offense.on the flip side, there's just as much chance his 2 partners go down, giving him an even bigger share.

 

[jobarules]

I dunno if Id call this a breakout but I fully expect MJD to be the #1 overall RB

 

[Zoomanji]

I'm not a big Wells fan, but I don't see how the struggles of previous Cardinals RBs are relevant to his chances of success.There's nothing inherent in the situation that prevents RBs from being successful in Arizona.

Using that flawed theory, Jay Cutler will turn into Rex Grossman.

I wouldn't be all that surprised if Cutler struggled to reach the same production that he's enjoyed in Denver. We all know the effects of climate in baseball - why is it such a stretch to think they could be present to some degree in football?

So they never have bad weather in Denver?By your theory there couldn't be good QBs in places like New England or any QB that plays in the Meadowlands with those winds.If Cutler struggles it will be due to his receivers not Chicago's history of inept QBs. Just like if Wells struggles in Arizona it is not from their history of bad RBs.Do you believe in the Cubs and Red Sox curses too?

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

maroney.

I see him producing better than people expect, but I wouldn't say he's going to have a monster year, not this season at least. NE will play a bunch of guys, and Maroney may get more touches than anyone but he'll still be in a RBBC. I do think people have written him off way too early though.

I think that rbbc term can be overused.has jacobs been rbbc?deangelo?chris johnson?how about mojo competing against our own fred taylor?there's no reason you have to log 30 carries/game to be fantasy productive, and IF maroney stays healthy, I think he stands a good chance at working his way into a 2-1 carry situation in a highly productive offense.on the flip side, there's just as much chance his 2 partners go down, giving him an even bigger share.

If NE isn't RBBC, then I don't know what is.

 

[TheFanatic]

Don't see the love for DMC, still have huggy bear II and bush in the back field to share the carries, still no real WR's in Oakland (DHB aka Troy Williamson) it be 8 in box all the time for DMC, plus turf toe in both feet does that ever go away?

 

[-baller]

correct me if I'm wrong on this, but in '08 I think there were only 13 rb's out of 32 teams who logged 250+ carries.

giving the guy one call off sick, you need about 16-17 carries over 15 games to hit that mark.

IF maroney can suit up for 15 games, I think he hits that mark.

if you happen to know he'll be out all year again, I can't dispute it at this time.

 

[ScottyFargo]

maroney.

I see him producing better than people expect, but I wouldn't say he's going to have a monster year, not this season at least. NE will play a bunch of guys, and Maroney may get more touches than anyone but he'll still be in a RBBC. I do think people have written him off way too early though.

I think that rbbc term can be overused.has jacobs been rbbc?deangelo?chris johnson?how about mojo competing against our own fred taylor?there's no reason you have to log 30 carries/game to be fantasy productive, and IF maroney stays healthy, I think he stands a good chance at working his way into a 2-1 carry situation in a highly productive offense.on the flip side, there's just as much chance his 2 partners go down, giving him an even bigger share.

Yes those are RBBC, and the guys you've named are simply better than Maroney. If Morris and Taylor go down, then NE hires some guys off the street.

 

[gonzobill5]

I'm not a big Wells fan, but I don't see how the struggles of previous Cardinals RBs are relevant to his chances of success.There's nothing inherent in the situation that prevents RBs from being successful in Arizona.

Using that flawed theory, Jay Cutler will turn into Rex Grossman.

I wouldn't be all that surprised if Cutler struggled to reach the same production that he's enjoyed in Denver. We all know the effects of climate in baseball - why is it such a stretch to think they could be present to some degree in football?

So they never have bad weather in Denver?By your theory there couldn't be good QBs in places like New England or any QB that plays in the Meadowlands with those winds.If Cutler struggles it will be due to his receivers not Chicago's history of inept QBs. Just like if Wells struggles in Arizona it is not from their history of bad RBs.Do you believe in the Cubs and Red Sox curses too?

Do you think some QBs benefit from playing in a dome? Do you think some RBs benefit from playing on turf? (key word in those sentences is some)All I'm suggesting is that there may be an effect on running backs (or offensive linemen) from playing in the desert.

 

[-baller]

they probably get thirstier in the desert.

 

[Zoomanji]

I'm not a big Wells fan, but I don't see how the struggles of previous Cardinals RBs are relevant to his chances of success.

There's nothing inherent in the situation that prevents RBs from being successful in Arizona.

:( Using that flawed theory, Jay Cutler will turn into Rex Grossman.

I wouldn't be all that surprised if Cutler struggled to reach the same production that he's enjoyed in Denver. We all know the effects of climate in baseball - why is it such a stretch to think they could be present to some degree in football?

So they never have bad weather in Denver?By your theory there couldn't be good QBs in places like New England or any QB that plays in the Meadowlands with those winds.

If Cutler struggles it will be due to his receivers not Chicago's history of inept QBs. Just like if Wells struggles in Arizona it is not from their history of bad RBs.

Do you believe in the Cubs and Red Sox curses too?

Do you think some QBs benefit from playing in a dome? Do you think some RBs benefit from playing on turf? (key word in those sentences is some)All I'm suggesting is that there may be an effect on running backs (or offensive linemen) from playing in the desert.

you're missing my point.In 1998 no one would say the TB Bucs with their rich tradition would be in a SB, same with the Cards before last year

to say a player at a certain position on certain teams will always be bad or a team has been bad therefor they will always be bad is a categorically false assumption

and as far as this

All I'm suggesting is that there may be an effect on running backs (or offensive linemen) from playing in the desert.

are you implying Arizona is cursed for RBs or will the new stadium change all that?

 

[FUBAR]

you're missing my point.

In 1998 no one would say the TB Bucs with their rich tradition would be in a SB, same with the Cards before last year

to say a player at a certain position on certain teams will always be bad or a team has been bad therefor they will always be bad is a categorically false assumption

watt?

 

[Garts]

Greg Olsen

 

[gonzobill5]

I'm very sorry for the thread hijack - i'm not suggesting some kind of spooky curse, only that RBs tend to underperform in Arizona and the weather could be one of the reasons. I'll start a new thread about it, just give me some time to gather my thoughts so that they aren't misconstrued.

 

[MaddHatter]

Ray Rice - 1200/220/8

Michael Bush - 1000/450/12

DeSean Jackson - 90/1300/10

 

[Zoomanji]

you're missing my point.

In 1998 no one would say the TB Bucs with their rich tradition would be in a SB, same with the Cards before last year

to say a player at a certain position on certain teams will always be bad or a team has been bad therefor they will always be bad is a categorically false assumption

watt?

I was trying to pick a year prior to TB being good.Cause you know they weren't good before so they never can be.

 

[travdogg]

Ray Rice - 1200/220/8

Michael Bush - 1000/450/12

DeSean Jackson - 90/1300/10

Wow, I really like Jackson, but wow. I'm curious, what do you have the rest of the Eagles doing?

 

[TaxMan]

Ray Rice - 1200/220/8

Michael Bush - 1000/450/12

DeSean Jackson - 90/1300/10

Wow, I really like Jackson, but wow. I'm curious, what do you have the rest of the Eagles doing?

I expect Jackson to get those numbers, but not until 2010.

 

[perry147]

Ray Rice - 1200/220/8

Michael Bush - 1000/450/12

DeSean Jackson - 90/1300/10

Wow, I really like Jackson, but wow. I'm curious, what do you have the rest of the Eagles doing?

I expect Jackson to get those numbers, but not until 2010.

I like Jackson also but why do you think the Eagles spent a first round draft pick on Jeremy Maclin? The Eagle are known to not spend much on WRs in the past, just look at their draft history. I think the drafting of Maclin in the first round could showing that the eagles do not think Jackson is a "complete" WR.

 

[-baller]

DeSean Jackson - 90/1300/10

yeah, but how many of those 10 does he drop before the line?

 

[Spark026]

Mike Walker, WR JAC

If this guy breaks out its going to be a huge jump. He's not exactly unknown, as plenty of experts still have him on their radar even after everything that's happened. But for those that have waited, this could be the year.

Lee Evans, WR BUF

For the same reason others have stated. This guy was literally triple covered on occassion by opposing D because Buf had nothing else, but a good RB with a so-so O-line. TO will keep opposing O's from rotating a safety to Evans side every single play of the game. It's now or never for those who believe in Evans. If he can't do it this year, I'd write him off till he finds a new team someday. But for now, I still believe. Also think Trent Edwards has had a very respectable start to his career, and may have a mini-breakout of his own.

Maurice Jones-Drew

He's nearly ranked #1 in by PPR players already, so what do i mean by breakout you ask? This is the first player I could see topping LT's PPR scoring record set back a few years ago in his amazing season. I'm saying he has chance to out score the next highest RB by 60 pts or more. It might not be this year, but one of these upcoming seasons I expect something truely remarkable out of this little man. A chance to break 400 fantasy points in a single season.

Prediction: 1380yds rush, 20 TDs overall, 60 catches, 600yds rec = 400 pts.

 

[pollardsvision]

I'm not a big Wells fan, but I don't see how the struggles of previous Cardinals RBs are relevant to his chances of success.There's nothing inherent in the situation that prevents RBs from being successful in Arizona.

Using that flawed theory, Jay Cutler will turn into Rex Grossman.

I don't think that's far from the truth. Grossman had CHI's 2nd most prolific passing season ever in '06 with 3200 YDs and 23 TDs. Cutler will be much closer to that than his '08 season, imo. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Cutler doesn't exceed Grossman's '06 numbers (I don't know who'd be catching those Berrian-style bombs).It's not just the lack of weapons (though that's a big part of it), but the flow of the game should be much different that the what Cutler's accustomed to in DEN (that allowed him to put up monster numbers).

 

[inzanitee]

maroney.

I see him producing better than people expect, but I wouldn't say he's going to have a monster year, not this season at least. NE will play a bunch of guys, and Maroney may get more touches than anyone but he'll still be in a RBBC. I do think people have written him off way too early though.

I think that rbbc term can be overused.has jacobs been rbbc?deangelo?chris johnson?how about mojo competing against our own fred taylor?there's no reason you have to log 30 carries/game to be fantasy productive, and IF maroney stays healthy, I think he stands a good chance at working his way into a 2-1 carry situation in a highly productive offense.on the flip side, there's just as much chance his 2 partners go down, giving him an even bigger share.

Fair enough, though it seems to me NE rotates their RBs in and out more than any other team in the league. I do like Maroney, though, at least much more than the average guy - I think he could put up 1000 yds and 7-8 TDs or so, but won't be top 10 this year.