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Kinda useless to look at past six years for sake of comparison since Rogers has only been a starter for one year.Anyway, I'd take Brees as well given the nature of the offense plus the dome but I think it's closer than "not even".
Perhaps Rodgers will have a similar year, but I certainly wouldn't put a single dollar on it. Rodgers is a good young player but he's it's unlikely that he'll ever even develop into a "Brees" category player either - of course, imho.
I tend to agree with most of that although much of Brees' success can be attributed to where he plays, the type of offense he runs, and the synergy he has with Payton. I'm not saying Brees is anything but a top tier QB, but he puts up these great stats because of the "perfect storm" he's in with Payton in New Orleans.Edit to add: I really didn't mean any crappy pun with "perfect storm" and New Orleans. Seriously.
Agreed, but he did this with SD too and that was the LT stud years show. Getting to the OP's question about Brees already having his career year. While yes, I agree Brees had a career year in terms of "yard thrown" he is shockingly consistent in terms of everything else. There is no reason to expect any difference this year from the last 5. If Rodgers can match it, then you know he had one heck of a year, but i don't expect it. Basically, Brees's norm is Rodgers max (at least for this year).I tend to agree with most of that although much of Brees' success can be attributed to where he plays, the type of offense he runs, and the synergy he has with Payton. I'm not saying Brees is anything but a top tier QB, but he puts up these great stats because of the "perfect storm" he's in with Payton in New Orleans.Edit to add: I really didn't mean any crappy pun with "perfect storm" and New Orleans. Seriously.
So you make up for your crappy pun by mocking loyal Saints fans who had to brown bag themselves?I tend to agree with most of that although much of Brees' success can be attributed to where he plays, the type of offense he runs, and the synergy he has with Payton. I'm not saying Brees is anything but a top tier QB, but he puts up these great stats because of the "perfect storm" he's in with Payton in New Orleans.Edit to add: I really didn't mean any crappy pun with "perfect storm" and New Orleans. Seriously.
Give me Brees here too. Shouldn't the Packers D be a lot better than the Saints next year? Or am I off base? I know they added Raji and Matthews and already had a solid LB crew.
Other than the fact Brees has more talent, is more accurate, is better at reading defenses, has a better offensive mind for a head coach, plays his home games in a dome, and superior talent at receiver this is pretty close.WHAT are you kidding me. Why not ask who will have the better year Jason Whitten or Donald Lee?I can't believe this question would ever be asked.it case you haven't figured it out yet its BREESJedi Knight said:
in other words, another who should I draft thread..Jedi Knight said:
Brees' offensive system is much more of a wide-opened attack than what Rodgers is using in GB.Saints defense is much worse than GB's, meaning more passing from Brees for Saints to stay in games..they need to score a lot of pts to win games, as opposed to GB which can rely on its defense at times.Saints simply can't.
No, this isn't another who should I draft thread. I don't draft until September, and I already own Brees. I was simply trying to spark a different thought process based upon my belief that it is rare for a QB to repeat as the absolute number 1 in points. And if he doesn't, who would make that jump. Right now, the only QB that I think could is Rodgers.in other words, another who should I draft thread..Jedi Knight said:Brees' offensive system is much more of a wide-opened attack than what Rodgers is using in GB.
Saints defense is much worse than GB's, meaning more passing from Brees for Saints to stay in games..they need to score a lot of pts to win games, as opposed to GB which can rely on its defense at times.Saints simply can't.
No unless dynasty. He's only played 1 season.
Although both appear to be very good QBs, I expect both to do worse this year in terms of their QB ranking. Exepct a 2 slot drop each.With that said, Brees has put up many consistently good seasons and has more talent at RB to work with.Personally, I would rather avoid either and play QBBC with three picks in rounds 8 to 12.
Umm...never will develop into that...looking at his last 6 years...ok.How about just 2007.Brees' 6th year as a starter.4423 yards, 28 TDs, 18 INTs, 4 fumbles lost, 1 rushing TDRodgers first year as a starter4038 yards, 28 TDs, 13 INTs, 3 fumbles lost, 4 rushing TDsYeah...he will never develop into a Brees category player.thehornet said:
While I do think Brees is better at this point and will have the better year...lets quit going crazy people.First it was Rodgers will never be a Brees category player...now this.More talent? Based on what?More accurate? Rodgers completed 63.6% of his passes last year, Brees' career average is 63.9%Better at reading defenses? Based on what?Better offensive mind for a HC? Maybe...not that McCarthy is a slob with offenses...go back to his days in NO and they were pretty darn good offensively.Dome? You got that...but the weather has not seemed to affect Rodgers all that much anyway.Superior talent at WR? What makes you think that?Jennings = Colston IMODriver > Moore...though, Driver is likely headed towards the end of the career in the next several years.Jones = HendersonNelson > Meachem
yea, but i'll go with the sure thing in Brees.Umm...never will develop into that...looking at his last 6 years...ok.How about just 2007.Brees' 6th year as a starter.4423 yards, 28 TDs, 18 INTs, 4 fumbles lost, 1 rushing TDRodgers first year as a starter4038 yards, 28 TDs, 13 INTs, 3 fumbles lost, 4 rushing TDsYeah...he will never develop into a Brees category player.thehornet said:
Packers fans gotta be excited. Rodgers seems to be primed to be a very good NFL QB. i think it's safe to say they made the right move with #4.
Yes...excited...though, he needs to improve upon his play in the last minutes of games to try and secure some more wins.But it was a very good 1st year for him. Above what I thought he might do.
I think part of that value is offset though in that there is more risk with Rodgers as far as can he consistently do what he did last year and even improve on it. And can he stay healthy another year (which really is a big if for most QBs out there anyway).
Brees has been averaging 1100-1200 more yards a season in NO than his best season in SD, and 2.5 more TDs. Hes averaging 1300 yards and 4 TDs more than the average of the two seasons above. I think its pretty safe to say that a good chunk (not ALL) of his production is coming from the system/surrounding team. Of course he is still in that system with that team so hes got that going for him- which is nice.
Huh? It's the system that gives him those opportunities. Yes, he's good either way, but the system requires him to throw it everywhere.
Baconisgood snipped off the point that I was responding to. Avery said that ""much of Brees' success can be attributed to where he plays, the type of offense he runs, and the synergy he has with Payton." That's clearly not true. He was successful and productive before he got to NO. This really isn't that difficult, guys.
If you want to get a better value though, wouldn't it be almost safer to draft a higher tier RB or WR for Brees ADP and try to pick up Rodgers a few rounds later, all things considered? I believe Brees will have the better numbers this year, but you would almost certainly get a better combination of players waiting to draft Rodgers... apologies for bringing old hat draft strategy into this.Basically I concur with rzrback77. I believe that Rodgers can repeat his performance from last year, doesn't seems too risky to me. Major questions for me are the O-line, however, but I anticipate the defense will take some time to gel and the running game will still be a throwaway accessory.
I'm not sure if Rodgers can be had a few rounds later. I have him ranked as #5 on my QB list. RB or WR ahead of Brees depends on your scoring system. In most scoring systems, there are only 4 players I might take ahead of him.
Brees was productive in SD- but those numbers are no where near record setting, and do not imply record setting talent- above average to good talent yes. No one here is arguing that Brees isn't a good QB, but hes not Peyton Manning good nor Tom Brady good. Meanwhile Rodgers' first year as a starter is at least as good as Brees' best year in SD- and probably better. Brees should continue to be the better ranked QB and Rodgers has to preform consistently well for a few years to demonstrate its not a fluke year, but to say that a large chunk of Bree's Production is from the system/dome and the fact that the Saints defense blows is non debateable.
It obviously is debatable. Once again, Brees was quite productive and successful before arriving in New Orleans. The numbers bear that out.
Once again Brees through for FIVE THOUSANDYARDSlast year.Would you like me to list the QBs who have ever thrown for 5,000 yards in a season? Hell the list of QBs who have thrown for 4,500 yards in a season is short enough to be impressive.No one is denying that Brees was "productive" there is a huge difference (big, large, substantial) between being a productive QB and one that has a 5,000 yard season, and one of the highest average 3 year stretches of all time.Compare the # of QBs who have the counting stats that Brees has over the past three seasons. That list is short. Very very short.compare that to the number of QBs who put up 3,300 yards, 26 TDs and 12 ints- which is roughly his 2 year average his last 2 years in SD. His 65% completion rate is more impressive, but not huge when you consider that his top RB and top TE caught 50% and 41% of his completions that year. It was a relatively short passing game in which he put up good, but not world beating numbers. The list of QBs who put up counting stats as good as Brees did in SD is SOOOO much longer than the ones who compare him once he hit NO that you have to either conclude that Brees made a substantial leap in preformance or the situation changed dramatically. To argue otherwise makes you look moronic.
We know for certain that his situation changed dramatically. He went from Martyball to a progressive passing game.Seeing the only point I have asserted here is that Brees was productive and successful before he went to New Orleans, I think the only one you are arguing with here is yourself. Having fun?
Shocking how "Gopher State" would agere with that.
It's not as ridiculous a question as you're making it out to be. About 2ppg was the difference between the both of them. Rodgers was hurt. Brees almost broke the single season passing record. Bush missed a fair amount of time. Rodgers was in his first year starting.I do think Brees will have the better year, but this is a perfectly reasonable question.
A chump?Another one who needs to go back and look at a few things.Why don't you look at Brees' year in 2007...his 6th year as a starter. Then look at Rodgers last year in his first.Funny, those numbers are about the same.So much for being a chump.
