Who will put up better fantasy numbers? (1 Viewer)

[UCSBgerry]

I'm debating which one is the better fantasy option. Clearly people believe Willis is a better player but given each of their situations it seems like Posluszny would definetly have better numbers. The Bills are obviously worse so people will be running on them quite a bit more and it just seems like Poz could put up higher solo tackle games. Any thoughts?

 

[bcr8f]

If Noln can allow Willis to run wild without fending off blockers he could, but Piz has the better siyuation if he becomes the MLB. ThAt isn't guaranteed yet.

 

[J Andersson]

The Bills are obviously worse so people will be running on them quite a bit more and it just seems like Poz could put up higher solo tackle games. Any thoughts?

I wouldn't really say that it's obvious that the Bills are worse than the Niners - I would rank the Bills ahead but they do play in a better conference.Well a lot has yet to be determined but if Posluszny gets to play the MLB in the Buffalo 4-3 and also play alongside Crowell in nickel packages I have a hard time seeing a rookie in a better position. Sometimes you find monsters in a 3-4 alignment (Ray Lewis in the old days, Donnie Edwards) but equally you find good players suffering from a system (Jonathan Vilma) and sometimes there are well solid players but with a somewhat low ceiling (James Farrior, Andra Davis).I would say I favor Pos at this point.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I'm debating which one is the better fantasy option. Clearly people believe Willis is a better player but given each of their situations it seems like Posluszny would definetly have better numbers. The Bills are obviously worse so people will be running on them quite a bit more and it just seems like Poz could put up higher solo tackle games. Any thoughts?

I decided not to vote in your poll cause you made a horrible, uneducated (some would say stupid) statement that the 49'ers are obviously better than the Bills.

 

[Rovers]

Well, I do agree that it looks like SF is the more improved team, and will be better than the Bills, but it's the scheme that will give Willis some trouble in becoming a FF stud. First, he has to learn the system, something that Vilma is still struggling with, and he has a rep as a smart player. I think the system puts a ceiling on Willis, but there are those rare exceptions that can become studs in their own right in a 3-4.

Poz's value will also be down a bit becasue he will most likely be a 2 down MLB, with Ellison and Crowell in the nickel package. Still, I expect teams to run on the Bills this year and test that almost new LB corp.

Willis was my 3rd ranked LB, behind Poz and Beason, and purely due to the system each will play in. Willis is clearly the most talented of this group, but that doesn't mean he'll be the better FF performer.

 

[UCSBgerry]

I'm debating which one is the better fantasy option. Clearly people believe Willis is a better player but given each of their situations it seems like Posluszny would definetly have better numbers. The Bills are obviously worse so people will be running on them quite a bit more and it just seems like Poz could put up higher solo tackle games. Any thoughts?

I decided not to vote in your poll cause you made a horrible, uneducated (some would say stupid) statement that the 49'ers are obviously better than the Bills.

Um, have you seen the Bills play? Or have you seen what SF has done in the offseason and draft? I'm sorry you live in Buffalo but that was your choice. Yes, it may be one of the most depressing places to live in the United States but it doesn't mean that you cannot have rational thoughts.

 

[redman]

Well, I do agree that it looks like SF is the more improved team, and will be better than the Bills, but it's the scheme that will give Willis some trouble in becoming a FF stud. First, he has to learn the system, something that Vilma is still struggling with, and he has a rep as a smart player. I think the system puts a ceiling on Willis, but there are those rare exceptions that can become studs in their own right in a 3-4.

Poz's value will also be down a bit becasue he will most likely be a 2 down MLB, with Ellison and Crowell in the nickel package. Still, I expect teams to run on the Bills this year and test that almost new LB corp.

Willis was my 3rd ranked LB, behind Poz and Beason, and purely due to the system each will play in. Willis is clearly the most talented of this group, but that doesn't mean he'll be the better FF performer.

Precisely my thinking.

 

[Rozelle]

Well, I do agree that it looks like SF is the more improved team, and will be better than the Bills, but it's the scheme that will give Willis some trouble in becoming a FF stud. First, he has to learn the system, something that Vilma is still struggling with, and he has a rep as a smart player. I think the system puts a ceiling on Willis, but there are those rare exceptions that can become studs in their own right in a 3-4. Poz's value will also be down a bit becasue he will most likely be a 2 down MLB, with Ellison and Crowell in the nickel package. Still, I expect teams to run on the Bills this year and test that almost new LB corp. Willis was my 3rd ranked LB, behind Poz and Beason, and purely due to the system each will play in. Willis is clearly the most talented of this group, but that doesn't mean he'll be the better FF performer.

Have to disagree with ya Rovers. I think Willis will be much better in a 3-4 than Vilma. He is bigger, faster and is better getting through traffic than Vilma. Have to do some research, but I don't believe it's all that rare to be a IDP stud playin inside in a 3-4.Poz and Beason both appear to have better situations, for now ... but Willis may be the only one of the three who plays all 3 downs this year. We'll see ...

 

[msommer]

Since Willis was just taken in my rookie draft the pick before me I had to take Posluszny. I think either could be excellent.

An example of a player that has done well regardless of 3-4 or 4-3 would be Zach Thomas - he seems to be a tackle machine regardless of the formation. Donnie Edwards also comes to mind as having tremendous value despite the 3-4 alignment in SD

 

[V1LL]

long-term I like Timmons. He's going to be a nice WLB in Pittsburghs evolving 4-3.

 

[Rovers]

Well, I do agree that it looks like SF is the more improved team, and will be better than the Bills, but it's the scheme that will give Willis some trouble in becoming a FF stud. First, he has to learn the system, something that Vilma is still struggling with, and he has a rep as a smart player. I think the system puts a ceiling on Willis, but there are those rare exceptions that can become studs in their own right in a 3-4. Poz's value will also be down a bit becasue he will most likely be a 2 down MLB, with Ellison and Crowell in the nickel package. Still, I expect teams to run on the Bills this year and test that almost new LB corp. Willis was my 3rd ranked LB, behind Poz and Beason, and purely due to the system each will play in. Willis is clearly the most talented of this group, but that doesn't mean he'll be the better FF performer.

Have to disagree with ya Rovers. I think Willis will be much better in a 3-4 than Vilma. He is bigger, faster and is better getting through traffic than Vilma. Have to do some research, but I don't believe it's all that rare to be a IDP stud playin inside in a 3-4.Poz and Beason both appear to have better situations, for now ... but Willis may be the only one of the three who plays all 3 downs this year. We'll see ...

I did say that there are those rare exceptions, and I definitely would NOT say that Willis isn't capable of being one.... it's just not where I'll be putting my money (or my draft picks) on this year. I any case, he went at 1.5 and at 1.8 in my 16 team dynasty drafts this weekend... too rich for my blood, but I was very happy to get Poz at 1.16 instead, while addressing other needs with my earlier (1.7 and 1.11) first round picks. Poz makes even more sense for that roster since I have Crowell as well. I have the Bill's MLB no matter what happens! Doctor Bramel and I have worked this issue over some, and we agree to disagree to some extent. I still expect to see Farrior-like (or slightly higher) numbers from Willis....... I've been wrong before... but I wasn't wrong on Vilma. (wherein lies my difference with Jene... I don't think being RILB vs. LILB would dramatically affect Vilma's numbers), but that is a different discussion, sort of!

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I'm debating which one is the better fantasy option. Clearly people believe Willis is a better player but given each of their situations it seems like Posluszny would definetly have better numbers. The Bills are obviously worse so people will be running on them quite a bit more and it just seems like Poz could put up higher solo tackle games. Any thoughts?

I decided not to vote in your poll cause you made a horrible, uneducated (some would say stupid) statement that the 49'ers are obviously better than the Bills.

Um, have you seen the Bills play? Or have you seen what SF has done in the offseason and draft? I'm sorry you live in Buffalo but that was your choice. Yes, it may be one of the most depressing places to live in the United States but it doesn't mean that you cannot have rational thoughts.

You're a fool. That and you must be a 49'ers fan. But even if you feel that S.F. is better than Buffalo then say that. Don't be an idiot and say something as stupid as they are obviously better. And if you want to stereotype a person by the team they root for then what does that say about you being a fan of San Francisco?

 

[Lash]

Willis = All three downs from Day One

Poz may start? and if he does ... 2 downs

 

[Rovers]

Willis = All three downs from Day OnePoz may start? and if he does ... 2 downs

Poz will start... barring an injury. But even with 2 downs, that MLB spot in Buffalo produces numbers. It will continue to do so, and Poz could develop into a 3 down backer as well. The only reason he won't play 3 downs right away is because playing on passing downs is Ellison's biggest stregnth. That doesn't mean Poz will be a 2 down backer forever... Vilma plays 3 downs.... meh. I just don't like any 3-4 LB's until they prove they can be studs in that system.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Did I miss a note somewhere that Pos would start out on the bench in the nickel?

My initial concern with him was that he might struggle in coverage (whether or not his knee was fully healthy) and wouldn't fit well as the MLB having to drop back into the deep middle zone on a large percentage of plays. Since it seems the Bills drafted him with the Mike in mind, I'm inclined to think he'll play in the nickel.

Are you guys speculating like me or have the Bills' coaches said Pos won't play in the nickel initially?

 

[Rovers]

Did I miss a note somewhere that Pos would start out on the bench in the nickel? My initial concern with him was that he might struggle in coverage (whether or not his knee was fully healthy) and wouldn't fit well as the MLB having to drop back into the deep middle zone on a large percentage of plays. Since it seems the Bills drafted him with the Mike in mind, I'm inclined to think he'll play in the nickel. Are you guys speculating like me or have the Bills' coaches said Pos won't play in the nickel initially?

Jene, that's part guess, but based on something I saw here... posted by Aaron perhaps? The idea was that Ellison is best in coverage, which is his strength. Maybe that was in the Crowell thread... I'll have to look, but I do remember being of the mindset that it would be Crowell and Ellison in the nickel, at least early on. The general jist was that at least initially, Poz did not look like he would stay out there over Ellison. I'll go look around for that...Edit: I may have read too much into Ellison as being the favorite as a nickel LB... He's smallish, but fast, correct? No, I haven't seen anything that confirms Poz won't be a 3 down backer... but I was left with the impression he could well be, at least early on. Hope that guess is 100% incorrect. I'd love to see Poz out there on every down.

 

[KellysHeroes]

You should of put in Beason and Timmons..

I voted Willis, In a situation like this.. you have to go w/ the more talented guy

 

[Fantasy Football Junkie]

If Beason were included I would vote for him.

 

[5Rings]

Willis.

3 down backer in a system that will funnel tackles to him.

 

[houndirish]

Voted Poz. I think Willis is the better player but as has already been mentioned, the scheme favors Poz. He's going to remind Bills fans of the Chris Spielman days.

 

[Rovers]

Willis.3 down backer in a system that will funnel tackles to him.

A 3-4 D that funnels tackles? Call me more than skeptical of that statement.

 

[5Rings]

Willis.3 down backer in a system that will funnel tackles to him.

A 3-4 D that funnels tackles? Call me more than skeptical of that statement.

There were some folks skeptical of Vilma falling last year, too, if I remember correctly.... I'll dig around later and see if I can find the articles

 

[Rovers]

Willis.3 down backer in a system that will funnel tackles to him.

A 3-4 D that funnels tackles? Call me more than skeptical of that statement.

There were some folks skeptical of Vilma falling last year, too, if I remember correctly.... :( I'll dig around later and see if I can find the articles

This I'm looking forward to.... might wanna dig up a thread or two as well....

 

[Slinger]

I'm debating which one is the better fantasy option. Clearly people believe Willis is a better player but given each of their situations it seems like Posluszny would definetly have better numbers. The Bills are obviously worse so people will be running on them quite a bit more and it just seems like Poz could put up higher solo tackle games. Any thoughts?

I decided not to vote in your poll cause you made a horrible, uneducated (some would say stupid) statement that the 49'ers are obviously better than the Bills.

Um, have you seen the Bills play? Or have you seen what SF has done in the offseason and draft? I'm sorry you live in Buffalo but that was your choice. Yes, it may be one of the most depressing places to live in the United States but it doesn't mean that you cannot have rational thoughts.

You're a fool. That and you must be a 49'ers fan. But even if you feel that S.F. is better than Buffalo then say that. Don't be an idiot and say something as stupid as they are obviously better. And if you want to stereotype a person by the team they root for then what does that say about you being a fan of San Francisco?

I understand that this kind of talk is cool in FFA, but here in IDP we all like to act like adults. In my 3+ years in IDP this is the most childish post I've seen. Just stop it.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I'm debating which one is the better fantasy option. Clearly people believe Willis is a better player but given each of their situations it seems like Posluszny would definetly have better numbers. The Bills are obviously worse so people will be running on them quite a bit more and it just seems like Poz could put up higher solo tackle games. Any thoughts?

I decided not to vote in your poll cause you made a horrible, uneducated (some would say stupid) statement that the 49'ers are obviously better than the Bills.

Um, have you seen the Bills play? Or have you seen what SF has done in the offseason and draft? I'm sorry you live in Buffalo but that was your choice. Yes, it may be one of the most depressing places to live in the United States but it doesn't mean that you cannot have rational thoughts.

You're a fool. That and you must be a 49'ers fan. But even if you feel that S.F. is better than Buffalo then say that. Don't be an idiot and say something as stupid as they are obviously better. And if you want to stereotype a person by the team they root for then what does that say about you being a fan of San Francisco?

I understand that this kind of talk is cool in FFA, but here in IDP we all like to act like adults. In my 3+ years in IDP this is the most childish post I've seen. Just stop it.

This is not the FFA or even the SP. Take this trash somewhere else.

Also - San Fran is obviously better than Buffalo.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I'm debating which one is the better fantasy option. Clearly people believe Willis is a better player but given each of their situations it seems like Posluszny would definetly have better numbers. The Bills are obviously worse so people will be running on them quite a bit more and it just seems like Poz could put up higher solo tackle games. Any thoughts?

I decided not to vote in your poll cause you made a horrible, uneducated (some would say stupid) statement that the 49'ers are obviously better than the Bills.

Um, have you seen the Bills play? Or have you seen what SF has done in the offseason and draft? I'm sorry you live in Buffalo but that was your choice. Yes, it may be one of the most depressing places to live in the United States but it doesn't mean that you cannot have rational thoughts.

You're a fool. That and you must be a 49'ers fan. But even if you feel that S.F. is better than Buffalo then say that. Don't be an idiot and say something as stupid as they are obviously better. And if you want to stereotype a person by the team they root for then what does that say about you being a fan of San Francisco?

If you want to continue posting here, please chill out and be cool to the other posters. If you disagree, state you do and why. But please don't call people fools or stupid. Thanks.

J

 

[Chaos Commish]

I'm debating which one is the better fantasy option. Clearly people believe Willis is a better player but given each of their situations it seems like Posluszny would definetly have better numbers. The Bills are obviously worse so people will be running on them quite a bit more and it just seems like Poz could put up higher solo tackle games. Any thoughts?

I decided not to vote in your poll cause you made a horrible, uneducated (some would say stupid) statement that the 49'ers are obviously better than the Bills.

Um, have you seen the Bills play? Or have you seen what SF has done in the offseason and draft? I'm sorry you live in Buffalo but that was your choice. Yes, it may be one of the most depressing places to live in the United States but it doesn't mean that you cannot have rational thoughts.

You're a fool. That and you must be a 49'ers fan. But even if you feel that S.F. is better than Buffalo then say that. Don't be an idiot and say something as stupid as they are obviously better. And if you want to stereotype a person by the team they root for then what does that say about you being a fan of San Francisco?

If you want to continue posting here, please chill out and be cool to the other posters. If you disagree, state you do and why. But please don't call people fools or stupid. Thanks.

J

I was so looking forward to the other JB's opinion on Willis and Puz.

 

[trader jake]

The IDP forum just got pissed in.

I voted for Willis. Until I see Poz playing the middle (and doing so for 3 downs) I'll lean toward the higher ranked player entering the draft.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I'm debating which one is the better fantasy option. Clearly people believe Willis is a better player but given each of their situations it seems like Posluszny would definetly have better numbers. The Bills are obviously worse so people will be running on them quite a bit more and it just seems like Poz could put up higher solo tackle games. Any thoughts?

I decided not to vote in your poll cause you made a horrible, uneducated (some would say stupid) statement that the 49'ers are obviously better than the Bills.

Um, have you seen the Bills play? Or have you seen what SF has done in the offseason and draft? I'm sorry you live in Buffalo but that was your choice. Yes, it may be one of the most depressing places to live in the United States but it doesn't mean that you cannot have rational thoughts.

I took offense to this statement. He stereotyped me and the city I live in. So I dropped down to his level. I apologize to the members of FBG.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

The Bills are obviously worse

obviously?I'm not sure I agree with that assesment. Possibly worse, sure, but not obviously.also, I think there's a good chance that Poz will play in the nickel and outproduce Willis this year. The Bills MLB has a history of producing big numbers...can't really say the same about anyone playing ILB in San Fran lately.I need to run the numbers for 2006 still but I also think Bills players tend to get credited with more assisted tackles than 49ers players...another advantage for Poz here. I might give Willis an edge over the next 5 years, but I think Posluszny has a better chance to have a breakout DeMeco Ryans/Lofa Tatupu type of rookie year.

 

[alg]

I'm debating which one is the better fantasy option. Clearly people believe Willis is a better player but given each of their situations it seems like Posluszny would definetly have better numbers. The Bills are obviously worse so people will be running on them quite a bit more and it just seems like Poz could put up higher solo tackle games. Any thoughts?

I decided not to vote in your poll cause you made a horrible, uneducated (some would say stupid) statement that the 49'ers are obviously better than the Bills.

Um, have you seen the Bills play? Or have you seen what SF has done in the off season and draft? I'm sorry you live in Buffalo but that was your choice. Yes, it may be one of the most depressing places to live in the United States but it doesn't mean that you cannot have rational thoughts.

I took offense to this statement. He stereotyped me and the city I live in. So I dropped down to his level. I apologize to the members of FBG.

For what its worth, I understood where you were coming from. Its one thing to be a homer, its another thing entirely to put down someone's home town. And BTW, I seriously doubt anyone will be comparing the 49's favorably to the Bills by the end of the upcoming season.Back to the subject. Unlike many Bills fans rabid for Willis I was very happy the 49's took him so Buffalo wouldn't. Whispers before the draft indicated that Willis was not all that instinctive when reading an opponent. A physical specimen to be sure, but people forget that the best football players are....the best football players, not the fastest runners or the highest jumpers, etc.

Last year there were many LBs taken before Ryans. How many of those guys would teams take before him now? Why did he drop? Pretty much the same reasons Poz did. Why was he successful? For pretty much all the qualities Poz is presumed to have as well. To say Willis is a better prospect is to say Simms was a better prospect then Ryans. But at the end of the day, Poz is the guy to man the middle and call the defense, not Willis IMHO.

We are into the 3rd round of a hardcore 14 team IDP league where LBs score on par with RBs. I had to trade up to 1.05 to get Poz because 2 other teams wanted to take him there. He was universally regarded as the best IDP in the draft, and ahead of all but the big 3. And that is by non-Bills fans. My competition for the pick told me he hoped someone else would take Willis ahead of him so Beason would drop. I think Willis now has the 2006 version of Vilma written all over him.

People seem to make that mistake alot, thinking that MLBs should be this or that. At the end of the day, he is the guy that can direct and lead the defense. Spealman, Thomas, Ryans and now Poz were overlooked while the big fast guys flew off the board. Much to the delight of this Bills fan.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

wasn't sure where to add this, but I wanted to put it out there somewhere.

"When I watch film of how I played last year, it disgusts me. It's awful. I know how much better I can play, and I know I'm going to play so much better in the NFL. I can make more plays. I can be stronger. I can tackle better. I'll show people I'm a much better player next year.''

-- Paul Posluszny on his senior year performance

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...mmqb/index.html

this guy is going to be a great fit in Buffalo.

 

[alg]

wasn't sure where to add this, but I wanted to put it out there somewhere.

"When I watch film of how I played last year, it disgusts me. It's awful. I know how much better I can play, and I know I'm going to play so much better in the NFL. I can make more plays. I can be stronger. I can tackle better. I'll show people I'm a much better player next year.''

-- Paul Posluszny on his senior year performance

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...mmqb/index.html

this guy is going to be a great fit in Buffalo.

This guy is going to be great - period.

 

[PhillyStars]

Some of this discussion reminds me of Lofa Tatupu a few years ago. Didn't have a lot of the measureables but had a high motor , was smart and could read the offense.

Poz has the same motor, is a bit faster, is smart and can read the O. I think he will excel in Buffalo and will be or evolve into a 3 down LB.

my 2 cents

 

[Donnybrook]

If Beason were included I would vote for him.

I am gambling heavily on Beason. I actually traded down (with Patrick Willis still on the board) so I could take Beason later.

 

[Slinger]

Poz has the same motor, is a bit faster, is smart and can read the O. I think he will excel in Buffalo and will be or evolve into a 3 down LB.my 2 cents

I agree. You can't really go wrong with either of these LB's, but my money is on Poz.