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Who Wins, 72 Dolphins or 13 Jags? (1 Viewer)

Who Wins this Game?

  • 72 Dolphins

    Votes: 26 20.3%
  • 13 Jags

    Votes: 102 79.7%

  • Total voters
    128

fantasycurse42

Footballguy Jr.
At first glance, this question appears ridiculous, but when you dive into it, it becomes apparent that this is a mismatch with the Jags dominating...

The Jags are about 50 pounds heavier on both sides of the line, bigger, faster, & stronger... This is just due to the progression of the sport, but nonetheless the physical capabilities of player for player clearly is in favor of the Jags.

Who wins this game?

 
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I'm sure the champagne sippers would disagree, but you can't give up 50 pounds(?) a person on the lines and not get mauled. And the Jags weren't even that bad by the end of the year. They were competitive with the 2013 version of the NFL.

 
1972 was pre-steroids, and also predates many training advances. The Jaguars could run off-ackle at will against the No-Name Defense, probably for something like 10-15 yards a pop.

 
I love the Miami Dolphins early 70's team.. super bowl appearance in '71, undefeated in '72, super bowl champs in '73 to back it up.

But let's be honest, that team didn't have the benefit of modern training, nutrition, offensive and defensive innovation, film study, etc.

I think that not only would Jags 2013 roll, but that Alabama 2012 would beat them as well.

But I still think they are the GOAT of NFL teams.

 
I love the Miami Dolphins early 70's team.. super bowl appearance in '71, undefeated in '72, super bowl champs in '73 to back it up.

But let's be honest, that team didn't have the benefit of modern training, nutrition, offensive and defensive innovation, film study, etc.

I think that not only would Jags 2013 roll, but that Alabama 2012 would beat them as well.

But I still think they are the GOAT of NFL teams.
What about in a best of 3? Do the fins get one?

 
I love the Miami Dolphins early 70's team.. super bowl appearance in '71, undefeated in '72, super bowl champs in '73 to back it up.

But let's be honest, that team didn't have the benefit of modern training, nutrition, offensive and defensive innovation, film study, etc.

I think that not only would Jags 2013 roll, but that Alabama 2012 would beat them as well.

But I still think they are the GOAT of NFL teams.
That's actually pretty funny - I think that FSU of this year beats them too lol.

 
This is silly. I am not sure if you all ever heard of Paul Warfield but he was better than 95% of the WRs in the league NOW! He would have been good in any era, same with Jim Brown from Cleveland.

Could we at least let Miami and Shula read over a copy of the new NFL rules? It's possible somewhere on that team they might find a way to win the game.

Miami had a 3 headed monster at RB(HoF-Csonka) 2 in 1972 for 1,000+ rush and Pro Bowls for both, Warfield(HoF), Griese(HoF), OL including Little(HoF), Jim Langer(HOF)

I think people are dismissing the Phins way too quick but think whatever you want, no credible media are ever gonna run with this ridiculousness.

What year would you run the cut off because I assume you also think GB '66, DAL '71, Pitt '74, Oak '76, I guess you feel like they would all be smashed? '81 49ers?

 
This is silly. I am not sure if you all ever heard of Paul Warfield but he was better than 95% of the WRs in the league NOW! He would have been good in any era, same with Jim Brown from Cleveland.

Could we at least let Miami and Shula read over a copy of the new NFL rules? It's possible somewhere on that team they might find a way to win the game.

Miami had a 3 headed monster at RB(HoF-Csonka) 2 in 1972 for 1,000+ rush and Pro Bowls for both, Warfield(HoF), Griese(HoF), OL including Little(HoF), Jim Langer(HOF)

I think people are dismissing the Phins way too quick but think whatever you want, no credible media are ever gonna run with this ridiculousness.

What year would you run the cut off because I assume you also think GB '66, DAL '71, Pitt '74, Oak '76, I guess you feel like they would all be smashed? '81 49ers?
The Jags wouldn't have to throw a single pass... Doug B's comments are spot on.

 
1972 was pre-steroids, and also predates many training advances. The Jaguars could run off-ackle at will against the No-Name Defense, probably for something like 10-15 yards a pop.
Yup. Also before the boom in football's popularity- a much larger base of athletes playing the sport at all levels means the ones good enough to rise to the top are far better.

This would be a rout. It would be like watching a pro team play a high school team.

 
This whole the players were so light thing really isn't true. It ain't 50 lbs anyway. As I mentioned in the FFA I pulled two random players. Both were a bit light but neither was 50 lbs off. And Larry Csonka was 6'3" 237 lbs. Still be putting guys who tried to tackle him out of the game. Regardless weight ain't everything.

 
I dont think todays NBA teams would beat the classic 80s teams of Lakers/Pistons/Celtics.

I certainly dont think a well oiled football machine like the 72 dolphins would lose to a putrid current NFL team. playing as a team and familiarity go along way in football.

 
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This whole the players were so light thing really isn't true. It ain't 50 lbs anyway. As I mentioned in the FFA I pulled two random players. Both were a bit light but neither was 50 lbs off. And Larry Csonka was 6'3" 237 lbs. Still be putting guys who tried to tackle him out of the game. Regardless weight ain't everything.
Not just lighter but slower, less agile, etc.

I don't know if there's a single world record left from 1972 in any sport that is measured objectively. Most that I know of have improved by at least 10%. And that's just a single elite athletic performance that can skew things a la Bob Beamon. If you took the average of the top couple hundred athletes (which is what the pro leagues are) the disparity would be even greater.

And that's without even accounting for the advances in strategy you find in team sports. How do you think a 1972 football team would react to the stunts and pre-snap reads and defensive shifts and fakes we see now? Do you think Bob Griese spent dozens of hours every week watching All-22 film?

 
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I love the Miami Dolphins early 70's team.. super bowl appearance in '71, undefeated in '72, super bowl champs in '73 to back it up.

But let's be honest, that team didn't have the benefit of modern training, nutrition, offensive and defensive innovation, film study, etc.

I think that not only would Jags 2013 roll, but that Alabama 2012 would beat them as well.

But I still think they are the GOAT of NFL teams.
What about in a best of 3? Do the fins get one?
no, they would not get one.

I would love it if they could get one.

But honestly i just think there is a massive gap.

Even if you gave we were playing with 1972 rules you have to respect how far athleticism has come.

Sure, Czonka is going to get some yards..and Warfield is good enough to catch passes... but all-in-all the modern athlete is simply too good.

 
72 Phins win 66-0, seriously.

Also, no bs 2013 roughing or passing rules, actual real rugby-football.

 
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Do they beat the 84 Dolphins too?
That's a good one. Marino threw for 4,800/48 TDs just 12 years after the Dolphins went undefeated. Do the '84 Phins beat the '72 Phins?

BTW: Wouldn't there be some advance notice of this game? Don't you think Miami would have a couple of months to beef up or get the game plan in order, watch some modern film? I'm sure Warfield would love to not be touched running how routes. I bet Csonka who faced 8 man fronts every down, I bet he could find some holes playing against some version of the 4-2-5 or 3-3-5 or whatever standard defense is run on 2nd and 8 or more.

And 2 Hall of Fame OL plus Bob Keuchenberg who was a finalist for the Hall for almost 15 years before begin dropped from the ballot. I don't think Miami would have to toss a pass vs the Jags. Guys are 50 lbs heavier at a lot of positions now in the NFL, that doesn't always make a difference.

How is Danny Woodhead able to find a job in the modern NFL? Size is not the only thing. We have a lot of short WRs who end up doing well, not all of them are built like Calvin Johnson.

 
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I try to look at these things within the context of the times. Meaning if the 72 dolphins had all of the modern advantages, they beat the Jags. So in my mind, they are the better team.

But yea, the actual 72 dolphins would be crushed. it would be sad to see.

The 27 Yankees is an interesting argument, though. Baseball is a little different. I would think Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig are probably HOF level players today. Yes, their numbers wouldn't be as ridiculous as they were due to minorities playing, reliever specialization, night games, etc, but hitting a baseball is something you can either do, or you can't.

 
This is silly. I am not sure if you all ever heard of Paul Warfield but he was better than 95% of the WRs in the league NOW! He would have been good in any era, same with Jim Brown from Cleveland.

Could we at least let Miami and Shula read over a copy of the new NFL rules? It's possible somewhere on that team they might find a way to win the game.

Miami had a 3 headed monster at RB(HoF-Csonka) 2 in 1972 for 1,000+ rush and Pro Bowls for both, Warfield(HoF), Griese(HoF), OL including Little(HoF), Jim Langer(HOF)

I think people are dismissing the Phins way too quick but think whatever you want, no credible media are ever gonna run with this ridiculousness.

What year would you run the cut off because I assume you also think GB '66, DAL '71, Pitt '74, Oak '76, I guess you feel like they would all be smashed? '81 49ers?
Paul Warfield? Seriously? He never even led the league in receiving (even pre-merger), and only finished top-4 twice. He had over 40 receptions only 3 times in 13 years. And that was against receivers who were nowhere near as good as today's reserves. At 188 pounds he wouldn't even get drafted today.

I'd like to see Larry Csonka try to run when he's being hit in the backfield by 300-pound guys.

 
So we're gonna let HGH which cannot be detected right now in the NFL, the presence of that which factors in to the major weight gain, we're gonna allow that to be used?

I agree with "Are we playing in '72 or '13?"

If we transport Jax back to 1972, you mean to tell me that Chad Henne or the other guy would go 14-0 and run the table in the playoffs going 17-0?

Is this really how the Shark Pool thinks about football? Everything pre-steroids which is about 1988/1989, everything from that era would have been killed by the 2013 Jax Jags? Because once the anabolic steroids were banned we saw the weights of most players start moving up and it didn't stop.

 
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TobiasFunke said:
72 Phins win 66-0, seriously.

Also, no bs 2013 roughing or passing rules, actual real rugby-football.
If you got rid of the roughing rules some of the Dolphins might actually die on the field.

You guys glamorize the old game way too much. Players back then were smaller, slower, dumber, and more poorly prepared, and not by a little.
Wow, no way. Aren't we talking about meeting on a level playing field?

Make it semi pretend imaginarily doable.

The Jags have the size and speed. Give the Phins 1 year to prepare with modern training and nutrition (or take it away from the Jags), give them the 72 rules, and give 1972 Shula a primer on modern play calling, the Jags would be down 40 at half.

I'd say the modern player is faster, bigger, dumber in the football sense, and would have more fear (think of Cecil Shorts going across the middle knowing he might be closelined, how long will that last?), plus there is a far more watered down product. Fewer pro teams and less parity meant teams loaded with talent who played together for years. Blaine Gabbert? Chad Henne? 15 sacks combined.

 
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This is silly. I am not sure if you all ever heard of Paul Warfield but he was better than 95% of the WRs in the league NOW! He would have been good in any era, same with Jim Brown from Cleveland.

Could we at least let Miami and Shula read over a copy of the new NFL rules? It's possible somewhere on that team they might find a way to win the game.

Miami had a 3 headed monster at RB(HoF-Csonka) 2 in 1972 for 1,000+ rush and Pro Bowls for both, Warfield(HoF), Griese(HoF), OL including Little(HoF), Jim Langer(HOF)

I think people are dismissing the Phins way too quick but think whatever you want, no credible media are ever gonna run with this ridiculousness.

What year would you run the cut off because I assume you also think GB '66, DAL '71, Pitt '74, Oak '76, I guess you feel like they would all be smashed? '81 49ers?
Paul Warfield? Seriously? He never even led the league in receiving (even pre-merger), and only finished top-4 twice. He had over 40 receptions only 3 times in 13 years. And that was against receivers who were nowhere near as good as today's reserves. At 188 pounds he wouldn't even get drafted today.

I'd like to see Larry Csonka try to run when he's being hit in the backfield by 300-pound guys.
You can look at it that way but no WRs were putting up 100+ catch seasons. He had 70 TD in 7 year span from '67-'74…you would be hard pressed to name me 5 WRs in the NFL right now who have avg 10 TD a season for the last 6-7 years. You rarely find a WR who can hit double digits doing it on a regular basis even amongst the Andre Johnsons of the world.

I think you just want to give me a hard time but Warfield is widely looked at as the best receiver in his era, 8 time Pro Bowler, you just don't know enough about him beyond quickly glancing at some stats that do look low by today's standards.

Miami had one of the lowest in pass attempts in the league. That happens when you have 2 different 1,000 yard rushers and an OL loaded with HoF talent in it. A little easier to line up and smash it.

 
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I try to look at these things within the context of the times. Meaning if the 72 dolphins had all of the modern advantages, they beat the Jags. So in my mind, they are the better team.

But yea, the actual 72 dolphins would be crushed. it would be sad to see.

The 27 Yankees is an interesting argument, though. Baseball is a little different. I would think Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig are probably HOF level players today. Yes, their numbers wouldn't be as ridiculous as they were due to minorities playing, reliever specialization, night games, etc, but hitting a baseball is something you can either do, or you can't.
There used to be a baseball podcast hosted by two scouting experts that got into this question a couple times, one of whom recently took a job as chief of pro scouting for the Astros. These guys obviously weren't around in the 1920s, but they'd been deeply involved in the game for at least 10-15 years and spoke with countless scouts, some of who actually were around back in the 50s.

They both had no doubt that even the stars of the 50s and 60s would get laughed off the field today. There's just been too many advances, some of which we don't even stop to think about. Players start younger, specialize younger, have greater access to elite competition in their youth due to the relative ease of traveling around the country, have about a million times better access to film study to improve technique and preparation, etc. Plus the salaries now ensure that the pool of prospective athletes that the elites come from is way, way bigger, which means the pros are better too (think of pulling the 5 best looking swimsuit models from a group of 500 college girls vs. a group of 50,000 and you'll get the basic idea).

 
TobiasFunke said:
72 Phins win 66-0, seriously.

Also, no bs 2013 roughing or passing rules, actual real rugby-football.
If you got rid of the roughing rules some of the Dolphins might actually die on the field.

You guys glamorize the old game way too much. Players back then were smaller, slower, dumber, and more poorly prepared, and not by a little.
Wow, no way.

Make it semi pretend imaginarily doable.

The Jags have the size and speed. Give the Phins 1 year to prepare with modern training and nutrition, give them the 72 rules, and give 1972 Shula a primer on modern play calling, the Jags would be down 40 at half.

I'd say the modern player is faster, bigger, dumber in the football sense, and would have more fear (think of Cecil Shorts going across the middle knowing he might be closelined, how long will that last?), plus there is a far more watered down product. Fewer pro teams and less parity meant teams loaded with talent who played together for years. Blaine Gabbert? Chad Henne? 15 sacks combined.
They wouldn't have to throw one pass.

 
TobiasFunke said:
72 Phins win 66-0, seriously.

Also, no bs 2013 roughing or passing rules, actual real rugby-football.
If you got rid of the roughing rules some of the Dolphins might actually die on the field.

You guys glamorize the old game way too much. Players back then were smaller, slower, dumber, and more poorly prepared, and not by a little.
Wow, no way.

Make it semi pretend imaginarily doable.

The Jags have the size and speed. Give the Phins 1 year to prepare with modern training and nutrition, give them the 72 rules, and give 1972 Shula a primer on modern play calling, the Jags would be down 40 at half.

I'd say the modern player is faster, bigger, dumber in the football sense, and would have more fear (think of Cecil Shorts going across the middle knowing he might be closelined, how long will that last?), plus there is a far more watered down product. Fewer pro teams and less parity meant teams loaded with talent who played together for years. Blaine Gabbert? Chad Henne? 15 sacks combined.
They wouldn't have to throw one pass.
yeah cause the Jags running game is so dominate? sheesh, jordan todman and a fat out of shape busted up MJD

 
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TobiasFunke said:
72 Phins win 66-0, seriously.

Also, no bs 2013 roughing or passing rules, actual real rugby-football.
If you got rid of the roughing rules some of the Dolphins might actually die on the field.

You guys glamorize the old game way too much. Players back then were smaller, slower, dumber, and more poorly prepared, and not by a little.
Wow, no way.

Make it semi pretend imaginarily doable.

The Jags have the size and speed. Give the Phins 1 year to prepare with modern training and nutrition, give them the 72 rules, and give 1972 Shula a primer on modern play calling, the Jags would be down 40 at half.

I'd say the modern player is faster, bigger, dumber in the football sense, and would have more fear (think of Cecil Shorts going across the middle knowing he might be closelined, how long will that last?), plus there is a far more watered down product. Fewer pro teams and less parity meant teams loaded with talent who played together for years. Blaine Gabbert? Chad Henne? 15 sacks combined.
They wouldn't have to throw one pass.
Give me a break; like I said even it out - give the Phins 12-18 months, take the Jags off the multiple juices and give the Phins a modern training room. You're basing this all on size and speed, but that's all based on nutrition and training.

 
TobiasFunke said:
72 Phins win 66-0, seriously.

Also, no bs 2013 roughing or passing rules, actual real rugby-football.
If you got rid of the roughing rules some of the Dolphins might actually die on the field.

You guys glamorize the old game way too much. Players back then were smaller, slower, dumber, and more poorly prepared, and not by a little.
Wow, no way.

Make it semi pretend imaginarily doable.

The Jags have the size and speed. Give the Phins 1 year to prepare with modern training and nutrition, give them the 72 rules, and give 1972 Shula a primer on modern play calling, the Jags would be down 40 at half.

I'd say the modern player is faster, bigger, dumber in the football sense, and would have more fear (think of Cecil Shorts going across the middle knowing he might be closelined, how long will that last?), plus there is a far more watered down product. Fewer pro teams and less parity meant teams loaded with talent who played together for years. Blaine Gabbert? Chad Henne? 15 sacks combined.
They wouldn't have to throw one pass.
yeah cause the Jags running game is so dominate? sheesh
Maybe bc the Jags O line would have about 60-70 lbs per man on the Dolphins D Line :shrug:

 
TobiasFunke said:
72 Phins win 66-0, seriously.

Also, no bs 2013 roughing or passing rules, actual real rugby-football.
If you got rid of the roughing rules some of the Dolphins might actually die on the field.

You guys glamorize the old game way too much. Players back then were smaller, slower, dumber, and more poorly prepared, and not by a little.
Wow, no way.

Make it semi pretend imaginarily doable.

The Jags have the size and speed. Give the Phins 1 year to prepare with modern training and nutrition, give them the 72 rules, and give 1972 Shula a primer on modern play calling, the Jags would be down 40 at half.

I'd say the modern player is faster, bigger, dumber in the football sense, and would have more fear (think of Cecil Shorts going across the middle knowing he might be closelined, how long will that last?), plus there is a far more watered down product. Fewer pro teams and less parity meant teams loaded with talent who played together for years. Blaine Gabbert? Chad Henne? 15 sacks combined.
They wouldn't have to throw one pass.
Give me a break; like I said even it out - give the Phins 12-18 months, take the Jags off the multiple juices and give the Phins a modern training room. You're basing this all on size and speed, but that's all based on nutrition and training.
The question wasn't "if we genetically enhance the 72 Dolpins?"

 
TobiasFunke said:
72 Phins win 66-0, seriously.

Also, no bs 2013 roughing or passing rules, actual real rugby-football.
If you got rid of the roughing rules some of the Dolphins might actually die on the field.

You guys glamorize the old game way too much. Players back then were smaller, slower, dumber, and more poorly prepared, and not by a little.
Wow, no way.

Make it semi pretend imaginarily doable.

The Jags have the size and speed. Give the Phins 1 year to prepare with modern training and nutrition, give them the 72 rules, and give 1972 Shula a primer on modern play calling, the Jags would be down 40 at half.

I'd say the modern player is faster, bigger, dumber in the football sense, and would have more fear (think of Cecil Shorts going across the middle knowing he might be closelined, how long will that last?), plus there is a far more watered down product. Fewer pro teams and less parity meant teams loaded with talent who played together for years. Blaine Gabbert? Chad Henne? 15 sacks combined.
They wouldn't have to throw one pass.
That really is a stupid argument and didn't hold water the first time it was posted. It just shows how this is nothing more than a fishing trip.

 
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That really is a stupid argument and didn't hold water the first time it was posted. It just shows how this is nothing more than a fishing trip.
Yup, a fishing trip... A fishing trip that 75% of the audience agrees with. :shrug:

ETA: It would be a fishing trip if I was arguing the other side of this debate.

 
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I also think you guys way overestimate the disparity between the good teams and the bad teams in this era. This 2013 Jags team hung with the Broncos for more than a half in Denver, only got outgained by about 40 yards. The team with the first pick in the draft this year went 12-4 last year and made the playoffs. The team that would have the second pick but for a trade went 10-6 last year and was leading Seattle by two TDs in the playoffs before their QB's knee started to give. You think the '72 Dolphins could do that?

 
I try to look at these things within the context of the times. Meaning if the 72 dolphins had all of the modern advantages, they beat the Jags. So in my mind, they are the better team.

But yea, the actual 72 dolphins would be crushed. it would be sad to see.

The 27 Yankees is an interesting argument, though. Baseball is a little different. I would think Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig are probably HOF level players today. Yes, their numbers wouldn't be as ridiculous as they were due to minorities playing, reliever specialization, night games, etc, but hitting a baseball is something you can either do, or you can't.
There used to be a baseball podcast hosted by two scouting experts that got into this question a couple times, one of whom recently took a job as chief of pro scouting for the Astros. These guys obviously weren't around in the 1920s, but they'd been deeply involved in the game for at least 10-15 years and spoke with countless scouts, some of who actually were around back in the 50s.

They both had no doubt that even the stars of the 50s and 60s would get laughed off the field today. There's just been too many advances, some of which we don't even stop to think about. Players start younger, specialize younger, have greater access to elite competition in their youth due to the relative ease of traveling around the country, have about a million times better access to film study to improve technique and preparation, etc. Plus the salaries now ensure that the pool of prospective athletes that the elites come from is way, way bigger, which means the pros are better too (think of pulling the 5 best looking swimsuit models from a group of 500 college girls vs. a group of 50,000 and you'll get the basic idea).
I think the advances in pitching knowledge, and how to move the ball, since 1927 would affect the Yankees bats too. In the videos of Ruth, he does not have the clean swing of batters today; there is a lot of movement, and he puts a lot of power on the front of his swing. I think he'd get eaten alive by breaking pitches if he tried that.

 
1972 Dolphins defensive line

• LDE Vern Den Herder 6-6 250

• LDT Manny Fernandez 6-2 250

• RDT Bob Heinz 6-6 265

• RDT Jim Dunaway 6-4 277

• RDE Bill Stanfill 6-5 250

1972 Dolphins offensive line

• TE Marv Fleming 6-4 232

• LT Doug Crusan 6-5 250

• LG Bob Kuechenberg 6-2 253

• C Jim Langer 6-2 250

• RG Larry Little 6-1 265

• RT Norm Evans 6-5 250



From another thread but maybe it is as simple as weight. I still think the Miami Dolphins would read the rules and make adjustments.
 
And where does Don Shula get a say in the outcome here? Who is the HC for Jax…some guy named Gus?

Perhaps the creates NFL coach ever, won in the running era, throwing era, he could make some adjustments once in a while, 347 wins or something…he might be worth at least a FG or something.

 
TobiasFunke said:
72 Phins win 66-0, seriously.

Also, no bs 2013 roughing or passing rules, actual real rugby-football.
If you got rid of the roughing rules some of the Dolphins might actually die on the field.

You guys glamorize the old game way too much. Players back then were smaller, slower, dumber, and more poorly prepared, and not by a little.
Wow, no way.

Make it semi pretend imaginarily doable.

The Jags have the size and speed. Give the Phins 1 year to prepare with modern training and nutrition, give them the 72 rules, and give 1972 Shula a primer on modern play calling, the Jags would be down 40 at half.

I'd say the modern player is faster, bigger, dumber in the football sense, and would have more fear (think of Cecil Shorts going across the middle knowing he might be closelined, how long will that last?), plus there is a far more watered down product. Fewer pro teams and less parity meant teams loaded with talent who played together for years. Blaine Gabbert? Chad Henne? 15 sacks combined.
They wouldn't have to throw one pass.
Give me a break; like I said even it out - give the Phins 12-18 months, take the Jags off the multiple juices and give the Phins a modern training room. You're basing this all on size and speed, but that's all based on nutrition and training.
The question wasn't "if we genetically enhance the 72 Dolpins?"
I guess I thought the question is who would win and thus who is the better team, no?

This implies they would play an actual game, which means they would have to play by the same rules.

This is almost like suggesting who would win between the 2013 NE Pats and the 2013 Jags if the Pats had to play under 1972 conditions, conditioning and nutrition and rules and the Jags got to play under the current system, same result.

Maybe we should ask who would win this Sunday, the 9ers or the Seahawks with one arm tied behind their back?

There's no winner if they're not playing the same game.

 
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1972 was pre-steroids, and also predates many training advances. The Jaguars could run off-ackle at will against the No-Name Defense, probably for something like 10-15 yards a pop.
Yup. Also before the boom in football's popularity- a much larger base of athletes playing the sport at all levels means the ones good enough to rise to the top are far better.

This would be a rout. It would be like watching a pro team play a high school team.
:goodposting:

And think about how today's training technology lets the best players be even better.

Today, a quarterback can have every real and practice snap played back in high def, slow motion, so he can review everything from the number of steps, time-from-snap-to-throw, and even their body and arm mechanics. Similar tools exist for the other positions.

In 1972, players were probably lucky to get grainy VHS recordings to see how their motions could be improved.

 

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