Who Wins, 72 Dolphins or 13 Jags? (1 Viewer)

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Everything pre-steroids which is about 1988/1989

You're off by at least 10 years here, probably more like 15. I think by the early 80s it was pretty widespread.

 

[rustycolts]

So with this line of thought players like Deacon Jones,Merlin Olsen,Carl Eller,Willie Lanier,**** Butkus would be over whelmed and outplayed by todays players.I don't think so.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Everything pre-steroids which is about 1988/1989

You're off by at least 10 years here, probably more like 15. I think by the early 80s it was pretty widespread.

They banned it in 1988/1989

 

[lod01]

What if Blaine Gabbert is the Jax. QB?

 

[drummer]

What if Blaine Gabbert is the Jax. QB?

Yeah, this.

 

[ghostguy123]

Interesting question.

I think the Jags would win most of the time, if not every time. The size and speed of even the average players of today would just overpower the teams from the 70s in most facets of the game. An average defensive lineman of today would have been a 9 time probowler if you could put him in a time machine and go back 40 years.

I think if you transported the 72 dolphins to the year 2014 and gave them a couple weeks to prepare and gameplan, with the rules of today along with film availability, I think they would have a better chance to win (though still lose) than if you took the Jags of today back to 1972 and played by those rules.

never underestimate the effect a trash QB like Gabbert can have on a game though.

And no, no college team ever would beat the 72 dolphins, just like no college team ever would beat the jags

 

[rustycolts]

Interesting question.

I think the Jags would win most of the time, if not every time. The size and speed of even the average players of today would just overpower the teams from the 70s in most facets of the game. An average defensive lineman of today would have been a 9 time probowler if you could put him in a time machine and go back 40 years.

I think if you transported the 72 dolphins to the year 2014 and gave them a couple weeks to prepare and gameplan, with the rules of today along with film availability, I think they would have a better chance to win (though still lose) than if you took the Jags of today back to 1972 and played by those rules.

never underestimate the effect a trash QB like Gabbert can have on a game though.

And no, no college team ever would beat the 72 dolphins, just like no college team ever would beat the jags

72 Fins 14 College All Stars 3.The All Stars did beat the NFL 63 champs Packers 20 - 17 they also had a respectable score against the 75 Steelers 21 - 14.

 

[CalBear]

In 1972, players were probably lucky to get grainy VHS recordings to see how their motions could be improved.

VHS didn't hit the market until 1976. Super-8, baby.

 

[ghostguy123]

huh?

 

[drummer]

In 1972, players were probably lucky to get grainy VHS recordings to see how their motions could be improved.

VHS didn't hit the market until 1976. Super-8, baby.

Yeah, this.

 

[ghostguy123]

In 1972, players were probably lucky to get grainy VHS recordings to see how their motions could be improved.

VHS didn't hit the market until 1976. Super-8, baby.

Wait, we aren't going to say the Jags get to use modern day technology to gameplan and the Dolphins don't, are we?

 

[drummer]

In 1972, players were probably lucky to get grainy VHS recordings to see how their motions could be improved.

VHS didn't hit the market until 1976. Super-8, baby.

Wait, we aren't going to say the Jags get to use modern day technology to gameplan and the Dolphins don't, are we?

They are gonna start shooting porn in 4k HD. You ever see porn on a Super 8 reel?

 

[ghostguy123]

They are gonna start shooting porn in 4k HD. You ever see porn on a Super 8 reel?

Yeah, looks like the playboy channel when its all scrambled. Did super 8 have alternate views?

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[drummer]

They are gonna start shooting porn in 4k HD. You ever see porn on a Super 8 reel?

Yeah, looks like the playboy channel when its all scrambled. Did super 8 have alternate views?

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The point is today's video tech obviously more advanced with a lot more detail, and it's easier to scrub and edit for film study. They can load game film on an iPad and hand it over for they to study at home or anywhere. Plus they even put the playbook on the tablet now.

Heck, I have to watch everything in HD now, especially football. If I can see a lot more than in the past, I'm sure the technology helps the teams even more.

 

[DropKick]

This whole the players were so light thing really isn't true. It ain't 50 lbs anyway. As I mentioned in the FFA I pulled two random players. Both were a bit light but neither was 50 lbs off. And Larry Csonka was 6'3" 237 lbs. Still be putting guys who tried to tackle him out of the game. Regardless weight ain't everything.

I agree with this. I'd rather see the game played by athletic 220-280 guys than some of the guys that are just "heavy". I don't like the way the game has changed in this way and believe it (bigger players in general) to be a contributing factor to increased concussions.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

What if Blaine Gabbert is the Jax. QB?

Yeah, this.

I don't recall Gabbert ever having any issues handing the ball off, so I don't see how his presence would change the outcome of the game whatsoever.

 

[DropKick]

Who started at QB most for Miami in 1972?

Earl Morrall

And the 72 team almost pitched the only shut-out in SB history. The Redskins only score was on a botched Dolphin's FG.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Everything pre-steroids which is about 1988/1989

You're off by at least 10 years here, probably more like 15. I think by the early 80s it was pretty widespread.

They banned it in 1988/1989

That's fine, but I don't think it's accurate to refer to 1987 as the "pre-steroid era".

 

[ghostguy123]

They are gonna start shooting porn in 4k HD. You ever see porn on a Super 8 reel?

Yeah, looks like the playboy channel when its all scrambled. Did super 8 have alternate views?

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The point is today's video tech obviously more advanced with a lot more detail, and it's easier to scrub and edit for film study. They can load game film on an iPad and hand it over for they to study at home or anywhere. Plus they even put the playbook on the tablet now.

Heck, I have to watch everything in HD now, especially football. If I can see a lot more than in the past, I'm sure the technology helps the teams even more.

yeah I know, did I ever say otherwise? What are you even talking about?

 

[drummer]

They are gonna start shooting porn in 4k HD. You ever see porn on a Super 8 reel?

Yeah, looks like the playboy channel when its all scrambled. Did super 8 have alternate views?

off........................................track

The point is today's video tech obviously more advanced with a lot more detail, and it's easier to scrub and edit for film study. They can load game film on an iPad and hand it over for they to study at home or anywhere. Plus they even put the playbook on the tablet now.

Heck, I have to watch everything in HD now, especially football. If I can see a lot more than in the past, I'm sure the technology helps the teams even more.

yeah I know, did I ever say otherwise? What are you even talking about?

I'm talking about the advances of digital media and it's benefits over Super 8 film. If you don't think digital media is huge for sports, then stop biting.

 

[ghostguy123]

Again, huh?? Why are you implying all kinds of things about what I said, when I clearly never said any of the things about film that you think I said?

 

[drummer]

Again, huh?? Why are you implying all kinds of things about what I said, when I clearly never said any of the things about film that you think I said?

I was just trying to clarify my point. I didn't mean to get you all upset. I wasn't inferring anything here. I don't know why you're acting this way towards it.

 

[PatsWillWin]

72 Phins win 66-0, seriously.

Also, no bs 2013 roughing or passing rules, actual real rugby-football.

If you got rid of the roughing rules some of the Dolphins might actually die on the field.

You guys glamorize the old game way too much. Players back then were smaller, slower, dumber, and more poorly prepared, and not by a little.

Wow, no way.

Make it semi pretend imaginarily doable.

The Jags have the size and speed. Give the Phins 1 year to prepare with modern training and nutrition, give them the 72 rules, and give 1972 Shula a primer on modern play calling, the Jags would be down 40 at half.

I'd say the modern player is faster, bigger, dumber in the football sense, and would have more fear (think of Cecil Shorts going across the middle knowing he might be closelined, how long will that last?), plus there is a far more watered down product. Fewer pro teams and less parity meant teams loaded with talent who played together for years. Blaine Gabbert? Chad Henne? 15 sacks combined.

They wouldn't have to throw one pass.

Give me a break; like I said even it out - give the Phins 12-18 months, take the Jags off the multiple juices and give the Phins a modern training room. You're basing this all on size and speed, but that's all based on nutrition and training.

Are the '72 Dolphins allowed to cut the vast majority of their players and pick up 2013 NFL free agents during this 12-18 months? If so, then they would have a decent chance of keeping it close.

 

[ghostguy123]

Again, huh?? Why are you implying all kinds of things about what I said, when I clearly never said any of the things about film that you think I said?

I was just trying to clarify my point. I didn't mean to get you all upset. I wasn't inferring anything here. I don't know why you're acting this way towards it.

I dont know why you were trying to explain to me that technology is better and more helpful now. Oh well. Moving on.

 

[drummer]

Again, huh?? Why are you implying all kinds of things about what I said, when I clearly never said any of the things about film that you think I said?

I was just trying to clarify my point. I didn't mean to get you all upset. I wasn't inferring anything here. I don't know why you're acting this way towards it.

I dont know why you were trying to explain to me that technology is better and more helpful now. Oh well. Moving on.

You could have "moved on" without complaining once more ya know.

 

[jwb]

I try to look at these things within the context of the times. Meaning if the 72 dolphins had all of the modern advantages, they beat the Jags. So in my mind, they are the better team.

But yea, the actual 72 dolphins would be crushed. it would be sad to see.

The 27 Yankees is an interesting argument, though. Baseball is a little different. I would think Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig are probably HOF level players today. Yes, their numbers wouldn't be as ridiculous as they were due to minorities playing, reliever specialization, night games, etc, but hitting a baseball is something you can either do, or you can't.

There used to be a baseball podcast hosted by two scouting experts that got into this question a couple times, one of whom recently took a job as chief of pro scouting for the Astros. These guys obviously weren't around in the 1920s, but they'd been deeply involved in the game for at least 10-15 years and spoke with countless scouts, some of who actually were around back in the 50s.

They both had no doubt that even the stars of the 50s and 60s would get laughed off the field today. There's just been too many advances, some of which we don't even stop to think about. Players start younger, specialize younger, have greater access to elite competition in their youth due to the relative ease of traveling around the country, have about a million times better access to film study to improve technique and preparation, etc. Plus the salaries now ensure that the pool of prospective athletes that the elites come from is way, way bigger, which means the pros are better too (think of pulling the 5 best looking swimsuit models from a group of 500 college girls vs. a group of 50,000 and you'll get the basic idea).

Yea, I hear ya. I also take this in the context of the times. Assume Ruth started younger, had the training, etc. Would he still out-homer entire teams? No, of course not. But would he be a star cleanup hitter? I say he probably would.

I mean, you could also argue that baseball players barely made a living then. So to even think about doing that, you had to be really, really good. The best of the best. I just fast forward that to modern times in my mind, and edit due to more inclusion today. It's imperfect, but it makes going to the Hall of Fame more enjoyable.

 

[ghostguy123]

I don't think football is at all comparable to other sports when talking about taking those exact guys from the 70s and playing against the players right now.

But if you took those exact guys from the 70s and froze them at birth, and thawed them around 1985 or so, different story. Though many of the guys who made it probably would have gotten passed over by many of the guys who didnt due to the advanced training methods, and year round training.

 

[Rove!]

I don't think football is at all comparable to other sports when talking about taking those exact guys from the 70s and playing against the players right now.

But if you took those exact guys from the 70s and froze them at birth, and thawed them around 1985 or so, different story. Though many of the guys who made it probably would have gotten passed over by many of the guys who didnt due to the advanced training methods, and year round training.

That kind of misses the point entirely

 

[ghostguy123]

I don't think football is at all comparable to other sports when talking about taking those exact guys from the 70s and playing against the players right now.

But if you took those exact guys from the 70s and froze them at birth, and thawed them around 1985 or so, different story. Though many of the guys who made it probably would have gotten passed over by many of the guys who didnt due to the advanced training methods, and year round training.

That kind of misses the point entirely

I did? I said several times that I think the Jags would win, and why. Not in this post, but in this thread. This is just adding to my point that the Jags would be a physical mismatch. Some of the guys who (with much better training) were not in the NFL at that time probably would have made it and done well.

So not only was the pool of football athletes smaller back then, but many guys who would have made it with proper training didnt make it, which lessens the player pool even more if compared to today.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Miami had one of the lowest in pass attempts in the league. That happens when you have 2 different 1,000 yard rushers and an OL loaded with HoF talent in it. A little easier to line up and smash it.

That's much more difficult to do when every defensive players has 50 pounds on the offensive player trying to block him.

Sorry, but this Dolphins fan thinks the Jags would roll.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Before I answer the question... Will Mercury Morris be high for the game?

 

[zftcg]

This is an idiotic debate ... what we should be discussing is caveman vs. astronaut.

 

[Kevrunner]

Who started at QB most for Miami in 1972?

Earl Morrall

And the 72 team almost pitched the only shut-out in SB history. The Redskins only score was on a botched Dolphin's FG.

The Skins missed an easy TD because the pass hit the crossbar, back then the crossbars were on the goal line. The Dolphins didn't dominate but they won. Early in the fourth quarter, Washington threatened to score by mounting its most impressive drive of the game, driving 79 yards from its own 11 to Miami's 10-yard line in twelve plays. On second down at the Miami 10-yard line, Kilmer threw to tight end Jerry Smith in the end zone. Smith was wide open, but the ball hit the crossbar of the goalpost and fell incomplete. Then on third down, Scott intercepted Kilmer's pass to Taylor in the end zone and returned it 55 yards to the Redskins 48-yard line.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Can you imagine the poopstorm that would have engulfed Shula if the Dolphins lost that game after he reinserted Griese for Morrall? He was already the coach that had the NFL's first championship loss against the "inferior" AFL.

 

[lod01]

Before I answer the question... Will Mercury Morris be high for the game?

Yes.

Also, the 72 Dolphins get to play by 1972 rules and the Jags plays by the 2013 rules. Gets some ambulances ready.

 

[fantasycurse42]

This is an idiotic debate ... what we should be discussing is caveman vs. astronaut.

Simple solution, don't join in... Sorry that a hypothetical debate comparing different eras doesn't meet your standards. We'll go back to the drawing board and try to brainstorm some ideas that might be more to zftcg's liking, I'll report back shortly.

 

[BaBastage]

I mean, you could also argue that baseball players barely made a living then. So to even think about doing that, you had to be really, really good. The best of the best. I just fast forward that to modern times in my mind, and edit due to more inclusion today. It's imperfect, but it makes going to the Hall of Fame more enjoyable.

I think you have this backwards. Salaries were so low back then, that there wasn't much incentive to dedicate your life to the sport. Those that did were competing against other enthusiasts, not against highly paid professionals.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I think it'd be especially interesting if the Dolphins played by '72 rules and the Jags by '13 rules. Jags WR gets off line, Dolphins CB head slaps him, Jags receiver removed after play to undergo concussion protocol.

-QG

 

[ghostguy123]

I think it'd be especially interesting if the Dolphins played by '72 rules and the Jags by '13 rules. Jags WR gets off line, Dolphins CB head slaps him, Jags receiver removed after play to undergo concussion protocol.

-QG

haha. nice

meanwhile all the 72 dolphins would have pretty much all had concussions when going through their baseline tests, so if they got another concussion during the game the doctor testing them out wouldnt even realize it.

Would be 52 players vs 10 halfway through the game.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

When does this scenario take place? 1972 or 2013? How old is Don Shula?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

When does this scenario take place?

When they invent time machines. Duh!

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

How old is Don Shula?

He was born January 4, 1930. So, he's 84.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

How old is Don Shula?

He was born January 4, 1930. So, he's 84.

Sure, NOW he is. Maybe the game is played in 2311, or 1520. We don't know. OP needs to be more specific.

 

[fantasycurse42]

How old is Don Shula?

He was born January 4, 1930. So, he's 84.

Sure, NOW he is. Maybe the game is played in 2311, or 1520. We don't know. OP needs to be more specific.

OP should've included more details. As usual, you bring the insightful stuff we want to hear... Game takes place October 21, 1989 - now you've got the Juice!

 

[drummer]

How old is Don Shula?

He was born January 4, 1930. So, he's 84.

Sure, NOW he is. Maybe the game is played in 2311, or 1520. We don't know. OP needs to be more specific.

OP should've included more details. As usual, you bring the insightful stuff we want to hear... Game takes place October 21, 1989 - now you've got the Juice!

JAX wasn't in the league until 1995.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

How old is Don Shula?

He was born January 4, 1930. So, he's 84.

Sure, NOW he is. Maybe the game is played in 2311, or 1520. We don't know. OP needs to be more specific.

Football wasn't invented in 1520 and I'm pretty sure Shula will be dead in 2311

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Do we get to use the real rules or the flag football rules of today?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

When does this scenario take place? 1972 or 2013? ...

1972 - grown men Dolphins vs not yet baby embryo Jags.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Alright, this is getting silly. We obviously need to hold this game in an alternate reality.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

How old is Don Shula?

He was born January 4, 1930. So, he's 84.

Sure, NOW he is. Maybe the game is played in 2311, or 1520. We don't know. OP needs to be more specific.

Football wasn't invented in 1520 and I'm pretty sure Shula will be dead in 2311

We have a time machine. I just need to know when we are picking the teams up to transport them to the playing field. Do we get the 72 Dolphins fresh off the super bowl win? Or do we use the 72 Dolphins as they are in 2013?

When does this scenario take place? 1972 or 2013? ...

1972 - grown men Dolphins vs not yet baby embryo Jags.

Cmon fantasycurse42, help us help you.