Rashard Mendenhall has "clearly" been the No. 1 running back at Cardinals OTAs and minicamp.
No surprise. Mendenhall's previous relationship with Bruce Arians from their Steelers days coupled with his first-round skill set makes him the logical leader. Ryan Williams needs to prove his health and rookies Stepfan Taylor/Andre Ellington will try to make up ground in training camp. There's some sleeper appeal in Mendenhall, who is now roughly 17 months removed from his ACL tear.
Related: Andre Ellington, Stepfan Taylor, Ryan Williams
Source: Mike Jurecki on Twitter
That's crazy considering he's just turned 23. Still plenty of time for him to prove he can stay healthy and he'll be a 25 yo FA in 2015.Ryan Williams was cut in both my dynasty leagues in the past few days.
Who did you drop to make space for him?Ryan Williams was cut in both my dynasty leagues in the past few days. I had to find space for him. He hasn't really gotten his chance because of the injuries. He was a higher draft pick in his class which went:
2011 1 1 28 28 Mark Ingram Saints Alabama 2 2 6 38 Ryan Williams Cardinals Virginia Tech 3 2 24 56 Shane Vereen Patriots California 4 2 25 57 Mikel Leshoure Lions Illinois 5 2 30 62 Daniel Thomas Dolphins Kansas State 6 3 7 71 Demarco Murray Cowboys Oklahoma 7 3 9 73 Stevan Ridley PatriotsLouisiana State
Comparatively not a bad class. Three NFL starters went after him. Considering this year's class went:
2013 1 2 5 37 Giovani Bernard Bengals North Carolina 2 2 16 48 Le'Veon Bell Steelers Michigan State 3 2 26 58 Montee Ball Broncos Wisconsin 4 2 29 61 Eddie Lacy Packers Alabama 5 2 30 62 Christine Michael Seahawks Texas A&M 6 3 34 96 Knile Davis Chiefs ArkansasAll things being equal, he would have perhaps gone right after Bernard. Like I said, he's still unproven after some injuries. #### happens. As a tail end of the roster dynasty player you have to like his upside.
i agree. It was the same owner in both leagues and I think he just wanted a new toy.That's crazy considering he's just turned 23. Still plenty of time for him to prove he can stay healthy and he'll be a 25 yo FA in 2015.Ryan Williams was cut in both my dynasty leagues in the past few days.
Agreed. I have Williams and Taylor and think I have a decent shot at an end-of-the-year starter. I still don't have confidence in Mendenhall, but still expect to be wrong.I think there is a chance. This isn't a very good group. I'd rate it near the bottom of the NFL actually.
That seems about right. We'll have a better idea after a few preseason games.Sabertooth said:I'd put it 45% Mendenhall, 30% Williams, 15%Taylor, 10 Ellington. Something like that as the odds of one guy really grabbing the reigns.
A report out of Phoenix last week noted that free-agent acquisition Rashard Mendenhall had already established himself as the No. 1 running back for the Arizona Cardinals, separating from Ryan Williams.
Appearing on NFL Network's "NFL AM" Wednesday, head coach Bruce Arians confirmed "there's no doubt" that Mendenhall would be the featured back if the season started today.
"Reshard is just 25 years old (turns 26 on Wednesday)," Arians said. "He took me personally to a Super Bowl, and I know what he can bring to the table as a runner and a pass protector and also a receiver. He's an every-down player. And I think he's looking forward to having an outstanding season."
Although Mendenhall's early 2012 knee surgery led to a bout with Achilles tendinitis last season, Arians assures that it's no longer issue and "he's ready to go."
The takeaway here is that Arians is shying away from a timeshare in his backfield. After touting Mendenhall in March as a "big back who never has to come out of the game," Arians is now making it clear that the former Steelers first-rounder is a three-down running back.
Barring an injury to Mendenhall, Williams appears to be in line for a change-of-pace role. Rookies Andre Ellington and Stepfan Taylor figure to be brought along slowly, only to be used in case of emergency.
Could be that one year is all Mendenhall was willing to sign for. I know that Dustin Keller had the option of signing a longer contract with Miami, but opted for a one year deal in hopes of repairing his value and getting more money 12 months later. I don't know if Mendenhall did the same thing, but it makes some intuitive sense that he wouldn't want to sign a long term deal based on where his value was after the worst season of his career. If he comes out and rushes for 1100-1200 yards again this year, he will have a lot more leverage when he hits the market.I thought Arians was also big on Ry Williams when he came out of VA Tech. Also, why sign Mendenhall to just a 1 year deal?
I think Mendenhall is the best talent on the roster and the clear favorite to start, but if I'm not mistaken Stepfan Taylor has missed the vast majority of offseason practices thus far because he can't get out of his school obligations yet. I think he will be an interesting wild card here. I don't expect him to supplant Mendenhall, but he's at least a strong contender for the backup role.There was only ever one guy in the race:
A report out of Phoenix last week noted that free-agent acquisition Rashard Mendenhall had already established himself as the No. 1 running back for the Arizona Cardinals, separating from Ryan Williams.
Appearing on NFL Network's "NFL AM" Wednesday, head coach Bruce Arians confirmed "there's no doubt" that Mendenhall would be the featured back if the season started today.
"Reshard is just 25 years old (turns 26 on Wednesday)," Arians said. "He took me personally to a Super Bowl, and I know what he can bring to the table as a runner and a pass protector and also a receiver. He's an every-down player. And I think he's looking forward to having an outstanding season."
Although Mendenhall's early 2012 knee surgery led to a bout with Achilles tendinitis last season, Arians assures that it's no longer issue and "he's ready to go."
The takeaway here is that Arians is shying away from a timeshare in his backfield. After touting Mendenhall in March as a "big back who never has to come out of the game," Arians is now making it clear that the former Steelers first-rounder is a three-down running back.
Barring an injury to Mendenhall, Williams appears to be in line for a change-of-pace role. Rookies Andre Ellington and Stepfan Taylor figure to be brought along slowly, only to be used in case of emergency.
Sorry to burst your hate bubble, but prior to last season when he tore his ACL he played in 15, 16 and 16 games the previous 3 seasons.Ok, maybe the better question is who gets the job after Mendenhall loses it via fumbling or injury?
And 4 the year before that.Sorry to burst your hate bubble, but prior to last season when he tore his ACL he played in 15, 16 and 16 games the previous 3 seasons.Ok, maybe the better question is who gets the job after Mendenhall loses it via fumbling or injury?
Weird that the Steelers would just let him walk. Color me convinced.Sorry to burst your hate bubble, but prior to last season when he tore his ACL he played in 15, 16 and 16 games the previous 3 seasons.Ok, maybe the better question is who gets the job after Mendenhall loses it via fumbling or injury?
In terms of ball security, you may be surprised (disappointed?) to find out that from 2010-2012, Mendy's fumble rate was less than 1%. That was 6 fumbles in over 650 touches. There are quite a few starting NFL RBs with higher rates - if you'd like to actually see stats, here:
http://nflmanniac.blogspot.com/2013/02/nfl-running-back-ball-security-fumble.html
Williams owner, I take it?
ut of the loop." I don't know if the Steelers didn't have confidence in him and Arians clearly does now. That's significant, no doubt, but there's a whole lot of areas for a five year player to improve that he shouldn't have to.And Arz has a terrible line from what we can tell right now.Games with 100+ yards from scrimmage:
2009 SDG 1912009 DEN 1642010 NYJ 1532011 STL 1512010 BUF 1512011 JAX 1462010 TAM 1432010 ATL 1352010 CIN 1302009 MIA 1202009 BAL 1172009 KAN 1162009 GNB 1112009 OAK 1032012 PHI 101So far in his career he was good behind a decent line, average behind a poor line and below average behind a terrible line.
Excellent point. No NFL RB has ever been successful after leaving the team that drafted him. Color me convinced.Sabertooth said:Weird that the Steelers would just let him walk. Color me convinced.Sorry to burst your hate bubble, but prior to last season when he tore his ACL he played in 15, 16 and 16 games the previous 3 seasons.Ok, maybe the better question is who gets the job after Mendenhall loses it via fumbling or injury?
In terms of ball security, you may be surprised (disappointed?) to find out that from 2010-2012, Mendy's fumble rate was less than 1%. That was 6 fumbles in over 650 touches. There are quite a few starting NFL RBs with higher rates - if you'd like to actually see stats, here:
http://nflmanniac.blogspot.com/2013/02/nfl-running-back-ball-security-fumble.html
Williams owner, I take it?
used yards from scrimmage and playoff games because rushing yards wasn't sufficient; that's telling of a player's success right therewdcrob said:Games with 100+ yards from scrimmage:
2009 SDG 1912009 DEN 1642010 NYJ 1532011 STL 1512010 BUF 1512011 JAX 1462010 TAM 1432010 ATL 1352010 CIN 1302009 MIA 1202009 BAL 1172009 KAN 1162009 GNB 1112009 OAK 1032012 PHI 101So far in his career he was good behind a decent line, average behind a poor line and below average behind a terrible line.
There are only a handful that it makes a difference for. Arians doesn't throw to his backs.used yards from scrimmage and playoff games because rushing yards wasn't sufficient; that's telling of a player's success right therewdcrob said:Games with 100+ yards from scrimmage:
2009 SDG 1912009 DEN 1642010 NYJ 1532011 STL 1512010 BUF 1512011 JAX 1462010 TAM 1432010 ATL 1352010 CIN 1302009 MIA 1202009 BAL 1172009 KAN 1162009 GNB 1112009 OAK 1032012 PHI 101So far in his career he was good behind a decent line, average behind a poor line and below average behind a terrible line.
Right. They don't throw to backs but you added receiving yardage.There are only a handful that it makes a difference for. Arians doesn't throw to his backs.used yards from scrimmage and playoff games because rushing yards wasn't sufficient; that's telling of a player's success right therewdcrob said:Games with 100+ yards from scrimmage:
2009 SDG 1912009 DEN 1642010 NYJ 1532011 STL 1512010 BUF 1512011 JAX 1462010 TAM 1432010 ATL 1352010 CIN 1302009 MIA 1202009 BAL 1172009 KAN 1162009 GNB 1112009 OAK 1032012 PHI 101So far in his career he was good behind a decent line, average behind a poor line and below average behind a terrible line.
And how would excluding playoff games (you know, games against teams good enough to make the playoffs) prove your point about him only doing it against bad teams? I'm not following your logic.
Wasn't Arians his OC coordinator for a few of those games on the list?Bri said:Right. They don't throw to backs but you added receiving yardage.wdcrob said:There are only a handful that it makes a difference for. Arians doesn't throw to his backs.Bri said:used yards from scrimmage and playoff games because rushing yards wasn't sufficient; that's telling of a player's success right therewdcrob said:Games with 100+ yards from scrimmage:
2009 SDG 1912009 DEN 1642010 NYJ 1532011 STL 1512010 BUF 1512011 JAX 1462010 TAM 1432010 ATL 1352010 CIN 1302009 MIA 1202009 BAL 1172009 KAN 1162009 GNB 1112009 OAK 1032012 PHI 101So far in his career he was good behind a decent line, average behind a poor line and below average behind a terrible line.
And how would excluding playoff games (you know, games against teams good enough to make the playoffs) prove your point about him only doing it against bad teams? I'm not following your logic.
It's unnecessary. Dealing in extreme absolutes over a five year period doesn't do us much good in discussion.
There's not many good teams on that list.
Rotoworld:I think Mendenhall is the best talent on the roster and the clear favorite to start, but if I'm not mistaken Stepfan Taylor has missed the vast majority of offseason practices thus far because he can't get out of his school obligations yet. I think he will be an interesting wild card here. I don't expect him to supplant Mendenhall, but he's at least a strong contender for the backup role.There was only ever one guy in the race:
A report out of Phoenix last week noted that free-agent acquisition Rashard Mendenhall had already established himself as the No. 1 running back for the Arizona Cardinals, separating from Ryan Williams.
Appearing on NFL Network's "NFL AM" Wednesday, head coach Bruce Arians confirmed "there's no doubt" that Mendenhall would be the featured back if the season started today.
"Reshard is just 25 years old (turns 26 on Wednesday)," Arians said. "He took me personally to a Super Bowl, and I know what he can bring to the table as a runner and a pass protector and also a receiver. He's an every-down player. And I think he's looking forward to having an outstanding season."
Although Mendenhall's early 2012 knee surgery led to a bout with Achilles tendinitis last season, Arians assures that it's no longer issue and "he's ready to go."
The takeaway here is that Arians is shying away from a timeshare in his backfield. After touting Mendenhall in March as a "big back who never has to come out of the game," Arians is now making it clear that the former Steelers first-rounder is a three-down running back.
Barring an injury to Mendenhall, Williams appears to be in line for a change-of-pace role. Rookies Andre Ellington and Stepfan Taylor figure to be brought along slowly, only to be used in case of emergency.
Cardinals rookie RB Stepfan Taylor worked with position coach Stump Mitchell this week after missing OTAs and mandatory minicamp because of the NFL's graduation rule.
"Being the running back with us the primary thing (Taylor) has to know is his protections," Mitchell said. "His running skills and his ability to catch all of those things are natural as (a) running back." Taylor, who graduated last week, will vie to make the club as a reserve. With starter Rashard Mendenhall and third-year pro Ryan Williams each having recent injury issues, the rookie from Stanford might be worth monitoring during training camp.
Related: Rashard Mendenhall, Ryan Williams, Andre Ellington
Source: AzCardinals.com
Alfonso Smith?Ok, we're past week 3 and here's the update:
- Mendenhall felt "looseness" in his knee--the same one he had repaired
- Ryan Williams has only played a handful of snaps and may not be fully healthy. He certainly wouldn't have played if the coach didn't speak up about it.
- Stepfan Taylor has been active but seen limited touches and I don't think any with the 1st team. He's looked serviceable, although probably not the long term answer.
- Andre Ellington has looked good, albeit against players that likely won't be on an NFL roster week 1
I'm starting to think the Cardinals might take a look at Michael Turner.
Anyone with a better bead on the current 4 RBs on the roster?
turner looked pretty done last year.biju said:Ok, we're past week 3 and here's the update:
- Mendenhall felt "looseness" in his knee--the same one he had repaired
- Ryan Williams has only played a handful of snaps and may not be fully healthy. He certainly wouldn't have played if the coach didn't speak up about it.
- Stepfan Taylor has been active but seen limited touches and I don't think any with the 1st team. He's looked serviceable, although probably not the long term answer.
- Andre Ellington has looked good, albeit against players that likely won't be on an NFL roster week 1
I'm starting to think the Cardinals might take a look at Michael Turner.
Anyone with a better bead on the current 4 RBs on the roster?
Whole lot of guys about to get cut loose. I assume they'll do nothing until they see who surfaces. Any even remotely-decent RB who does get cut loose is going to have his agent on the phone to ARZ within about a half a minute of uttering the words, "thanks for the opportunity."EBF said:If Mendy is down, they're up a creek. Williams can't stay on the field and the other guys haven't shown much.
I'll be avoiding this situation if Mendenhall is out.
I don't think a street free agent is the answer at this point. There's a reason why Turner is still unemployed.
They could look into a trade, but Seattle is probably the most RB-rich team in the league right now and I don't see them helping a division rival.
show me a running back who has never been injured. Damaged goods? He's like 23Why Saber? Williams is damaged goods.
The title of this pole is fine but the voting options are out of date. Sometimes I really wish some of these discussions were not so scattered and could be consolidated or at least linked together for people looking for more information.
With the Cooper injury the Cardinals are moving backwards as a blocking unit. That is unfortunate. I wonder if Massie could play guard?
...and about to be either traded or cut:show me a running back who has never been injured. Damaged goods? He's like 23Why Saber? Williams is damaged goods.
The title of this pole is fine but the voting options are out of date. Sometimes I really wish some of these discussions were not so scattered and could be consolidated or at least linked together for people looking for more information.
With the Cooper injury the Cardinals are moving backwards as a blocking unit. That is unfortunate. I wonder if Massie could play guard?