Who's Better? (1 Viewer)

[tdoss]

To me...there's no question. Favre's got skills...no doubt...Hall of Famer definitely. But there's so much love for this guy that people consider him one of the best ever. To me...I consider him great...but that's it. He's had some of the best defenses to rely on year after year, with a ridiculous home field advantage to fall back on to bail him out of those numerous INT's he puts up. He's also had some of the better RB's in the league over his time.Marino did better...with less.Sure Favre has won the SB and Dan didn't...but again...that just shows how good a team Favre has had around him.Look at this season...Favre still has more than Dan probably ever had...and he's not looking too hot.

 

[Dynasty]

If I weren't such a big Patriot fan, I would have felt sorry when the Pats "Squished the Fish" in the 1986 AFC Championship game. It would have been interesting to see if Marino could have beat the Chicago Bears a second time.

 

[cracKer]

Take away Marino's 1984 season...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Take away Marino's 1984 season...

And he still has 50,000+ yds passing, boatloads of TD passes, more come from behind wins than almost anyone that ever picked up a football, threw it into places most QBs only dream of. Should I go on?

 

[BlueOnion]

My biggest complaint about Marino is that he only had a rifle of an arm. I rarely saw him through a touch pass with any consistency and rarely saw his receivers get a pass without having to break strides. My perception of Marino is another Jeff George, but with a better personality.

 

[Pied Piper]

My biggest complaint about Marino is that he only had a rifle of an arm. I rarely saw him through a touch pass with any consistency and rarely saw his receivers get a pass without having to break strides. My perception of Marino is another Jeff George, but with a better personality.

Obviously you haven't watched Marino very much.

 

[BlueOnion]

Obviously you haven't watched Marino very much.

Maybe I have watched Marino play and I happen to have a different opinion.

 

[Jason Wood]

To me...there's no question. Favre's got skills...no doubt...Hall of Famer definitely. But there's so much love for this guy that people consider him one of the best ever. To me...I consider him great...but that's it. He's had some of the best defenses to rely on year after year, with a ridiculous home field advantage to fall back on to bail him out of those numerous INT's he puts up. He's also had some of the better RB's in the league over his time.Marino did better...with less.Sure Favre has won the SB and Dan didn't...but again...that just shows how good a team Favre has had around him.Look at this season...Favre still has more than Dan probably ever had...and he's not looking too hot.

Marino's TD-to-Int ratio for his career = 1.667Favre's TD-to-Int ratio = 1.665So I'm not sure how Favre's "numerous INT's he puts up" should be held against him vis-a-vis Marino? Favre also won 3 league MVP awards, a record and something not likely to be challenged for a long time.Favre also has a Super Bowl title (and another appearance)Marino gets the slight edge in yards per attempt, but Favre gets the edge in completion percentage. Let's also not forget that Marino played for 17 seasons, Favre is currently at the start of his 14th season, the first of which he didn't play. Marino certainly never had the running game to complement him, but that works for and against the argument. He passed so much (he was in the top 3 for passing attempts 13 times) BECAUSE he had no running game. But of course, he also had defenses game planning against him, yet he remained highly effective.Marino got to play for Don Shula his entire career (the productive part) whereas Favre has had to play for three head coaches (in Green Bay). I think people spend too much time trying to pigeon hole players into an all-time list. You're talking about two of the very best quarterbacks to ever play the game, it's splitting hairs and really impossible to answer because they both had such different situations around them.

 

[JJ Evans]

I didn't vote. Favre has a ring, Marino doesn't. Marino has many records, Favre does not. It's too close to call.

 

[Lehigh98]

This poll be be skewed from last night's Packer turdbomb.

 

[BlueOnion]

This poll be be skewed from last night's Packer turdbomb.

I think that was the intent of the creator, who apparently is a big Marino fan.

 

[ScottNorwood]

I know this chick that works for the cbs pregame show. According to her Marino is dumb as a rock. She also said one time Deion Sanders asked if Marino rode the short bus to work. :11:

 

[BlueOnion]

I know this chick that works for the cbs pregame show. According to her Marino is dumb as a rock. She also said one time Deion Sanders asked if Marino rode the short bus to work. :11:

On Marino's behalf, he is a football player not a doctor. But I think even a doctor would have a hard time communicating with Deion Sanders and probably answer most of Deion's questions with a blank, empty stare.

 

[ScottNorwood]

I know this chick that works for the cbs pregame show. According to her Marino is dumb as a rock. She also said one time Deion Sanders asked if Marino rode the short bus to work. :11:

On Marino's behalf, he is a football player not a doctor. But I think even a doctor would have a hard time communicating with Deion Sanders and probably answer most of Deion's questions with a blank, empty stare.

Yeah, I should've also noted that according to this chick Deion is dumb as a rock too.

 

[Bankerguy]

When I saw the topic...I thought it was going to be who's better at throwing interceptions. That's a push. Best QBI'll go Favre...Suberbowls. Ability to inspire others around him.Plus I think Marino is a choooch.

 

[Bevo]

Favre was the better QB, Marino was a better passer.To me being a top QB is more than just being able to pass (although that certainly helps!); Favre was (is?) a guy that could lead a team and WILL it to win. I never saw much of that in Marino.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Marino.Marino was different. He was special. A guy with literally no mobility but had the greatest pocket prescense and sidestep ever.The greatest long ball touch ever.Marino was also one of the smart quarterbacks. Defenses that confuse today guys like Marino and Montana would have tore to shreds. Cover two? LOL Touchdown. Zone blitz? Are you kidding me, you don't blitz Marino unless you wanna get killed.Do I like watching Favre? Yeah, great arm, great competitor. But, Marino was special, he was different.

 

[beef]

I'd rather have a Super Bowl ring than a bunch of records.

 

[H.K.]

Marino

17 seasons

Passing

61,361 yards

420 TD's

252 INT

Rushing

301 Carries

87 Yards

0.29 YPC

9 TD

Favre

14 Seasons (13 as a starter)

46,511 yards

353 TD's

212 INT

Rushing

471 carries

1655 yards

3.5 YPC

12 TD

Tough choice, here's another way to answer the question: If you had to pick one of these two QB's to win a game for you with the identical surrounding talent, who would you take?

I'd go with Favre mostly due to intangibles. He inspires others, never quits, and has won the big one. The fact that he can move around better than Marino is a plus for him, too.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I know this chick that works for the cbs pregame show. According to her Marino is dumb as a rock. She also said one time Deion Sanders asked if Marino rode the short bus to work. :11:

16 on the Wonderlic

 

[tdoss]

To me...there's no question. Favre's got skills...no doubt...Hall of Famer definitely. But there's so much love for this guy that people consider him one of the best ever. To me...I consider him great...but that's it. He's had some of the best defenses to rely on year after year, with a ridiculous home field advantage to fall back on to bail him out of those numerous INT's he puts up. He's also had some of the better RB's in the league over his time.Marino did better...with less.Sure Favre has won the SB and Dan didn't...but again...that just shows how good a team Favre has had around him.Look at this season...Favre still has more than Dan probably ever had...and he's not looking too hot.

Marino's TD-to-Int ratio for his career = 1.667Favre's TD-to-Int ratio = 1.665So I'm not sure how Favre's "numerous INT's he puts up" should be held against him vis-a-vis Marino? Favre also won 3 league MVP awards, a record and something not likely to be challenged for a long time.Favre also has a Super Bowl title (and another appearance)Marino gets the slight edge in yards per attempt, but Favre gets the edge in completion percentage. Let's also not forget that Marino played for 17 seasons, Favre is currently at the start of his 14th season, the first of which he didn't play. Marino certainly never had the running game to complement him, but that works for and against the argument. He passed so much (he was in the top 3 for passing attempts 13 times) BECAUSE he had no running game. But of course, he also had defenses game planning against him, yet he remained highly effective.Marino got to play for Don Shula his entire career (the productive part) whereas Favre has had to play for three head coaches (in Green Bay). I think people spend too much time trying to pigeon hole players into an all-time list. You're talking about two of the very best quarterbacks to ever play the game, it's splitting hairs and really impossible to answer because they both had such different situations around them.

On the INT front...there's still three more years for Favre to increase that total.3 League MVP's...again...accolades heaped on the guy even though he had a great supporting cast. How can Marino not get this award every year he was with the Dolphins? They had nothing to help the guy out with...defense was pourous and no running game.Marino not having the run game you state is a plus/minus...no way. The guy was all other teams would gameplan against...and they still couldn't stop him. Also factor in that Marino couldn't run and it further limited his options whereas Favre's got everything a QB needs to be successful and always has...Sure Marino played for Shula...but it's rare to hear coach's get more praise than the one's in Green Bay. How many times do we have to hear about Holmgren's genius?Different situations...good point. Put Favre in Miami during Marino's term...what will you get? He wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as he has been and wouldn't come close to Marino. Put Marino in Favre's situation and Marino would probably have lower numbers but more rings.

 

[Me & My Uncle]

I'll go with Favre. As badly as he has been playing, I think Marino is a bit too old and out of practice.

 

[tdoss]

Favre was the better QB, Marino was a better passer.To me being a top QB is more than just being able to pass (although that certainly helps!); Favre was (is?) a guy that could lead a team and WILL it to win. I never saw much of that in Marino.

Then you didn't watch Marino. Hello...come from behind wins...geez...what better stat to show how a QB can will his team to win.The guy was playing with half a team compared to what Favre has had...and he still put up ridiculous numbers, wins, etc...Give Marino that defense they had on GB's superbowl run...give him just one of those RB's they've had over the years...and you doubt Marino would have rings?

 

[BlueOnion]

Give Marino that defense they had on GB's superbowl run...give him just one of those RB's they've had over the years...and you doubt Marino would have rings?

I do. As much as I would like to say we could plug Dante Culpepper into those Packer teams or Dante Culpepper into that 200 Ravens team and say the those teams would still win is speculation, not fact......And until it happens, it never happened.

 

[H.K.]

The guy was playing with half a team compared to what Favre has had...and he still put up ridiculous numbers, wins, etc...

I don't buy into that argument. Great players make those around them better, just believing in a leader has huge ramifications toward winning.You act like Marino was playing for a Division III school facing the SEC each week, yet despite the overwhelming odds against him he was singlehandedly making his team competitive based on his greatness. Everyone knows that is not the case because the talent level in the NFL is the best there is and only slight differences separate the players...so if you think Favre has/had better talent, then that is a flawed argument.

 

[tdoss]

The guy was playing with half a team compared to what Favre has had...and he still put up ridiculous numbers, wins, etc...

I don't buy into that argument. Great players make those around them better, just believing in a leader has huge ramifications toward winning.You act like Marino was playing for a Division III school facing the SEC each week, yet despite the overwhelming odds against him he was singlehandedly making his team competitive based on his greatness. Everyone knows that is not the case because the talent level in the NFL is the best there is and only slight differences separate the players...so if you think Favre has/had better talent, then that is a flawed argument.

You're seriously confused if you think Miami had anywhere near the talent that GB has had over the years...Name a position/squad that GB didn't have a better talent pool than Miami...except QB of course...

 

[BlueOnion]

I believe the question that begs to be asked (to Dolphin fans) is...Who is at fault for Marino\Shula never winning a Super Bowl? Is it Marino's fault because they lost despite the Dolphins having Shula, one of the greatest coaches ever? Or is Shula's fault because they lost despite having Marino, one of the greatest quarterbacks ever?These two will be forever linked when referencing the Marino era, so what gives?

 

[Bevo]

Favre was the better QB, Marino was a better passer.To me being a top QB is more than just being able to pass (although that certainly helps!); Favre was (is?) a guy that could lead a team and WILL it to win. I never saw much of that in Marino.

Then you didn't watch Marino. Hello...come from behind wins...geez...what better stat to show how a QB can will his team to win.The guy was playing with half a team compared to what Favre has had...and he still put up ridiculous numbers, wins, etc...Give Marino that defense they had on GB's superbowl run...give him just one of those RB's they've had over the years...and you doubt Marino would have rings?

Thanks for the incorrect info! I, in fact, did see Marino; a LOT. I did NOT say that Marino wasn't good, hell he was great; but IMO, Favre was better.If your opinion is different that is fine, but to spout ignorant #### about what others may may not have done when you don't know what you are talking about is just plain stupid!

 

[tdoss]

Defensive and running game...Miami didn't have it.Going against San Francisco which also had one of the greatest teams ever...Defensive was #1 and Offense was top notch as well.JMontana had everything he needed to be successful...look at it...what was lacking on that team? That is the reason Miami didn't win that one.And for every year since...it was the running game and defense that ultimately stopped Miami.Owner/GM/Coach should really be knocked for never doing anything about it.

 

[H.K.]

Name a position/squad that GB didn't have a better talent pool than Miami...except QB of course...

OK, that was easy enough:The 1997 Packers lost the Super Bowl and had six Pro Bowlers - LeRoy Butler (db), Mark Chmura (te), Brett Favre (qb), Travis Jervey (special teams), Dorsey Levens (rb), Reggie White (dl)

The 1984 Dolphins lost the Super Bowl and had seven Pro Bowlers - Bob Baumhower (dl), Mark Clayton (wr), A.J. Duhe (lb), Mark Duper (wr), Dan Marino (qb), Ed Newman (ol), Dwight Stephenson (ol).

Pretty much kills your argument, so what else ya got? On second thought, if you want to post a rebuttle, please use facts to support your position instead of unfounded opinion.

TIA

 

[tdoss]

Favre was the better QB, Marino was a better passer.To me being a top QB is more than just being able to pass (although that certainly helps!); Favre was (is?) a guy that could lead a team and WILL it to win. I never saw much of that in Marino.

Then you didn't watch Marino. Hello...come from behind wins...geez...what better stat to show how a QB can will his team to win.The guy was playing with half a team compared to what Favre has had...and he still put up ridiculous numbers, wins, etc...Give Marino that defense they had on GB's superbowl run...give him just one of those RB's they've had over the years...and you doubt Marino would have rings?

Thanks for the incorrect info! I, in fact, did see Marino; a LOT. I did NOT say that Marino wasn't good, hell he was great; but IMO, Favre was better.If your opinion is different that is fine, but to spout ignorant #### about what others may may not have done when you don't know what you are talking about is just plain stupid!

Then how exactly can you say you never saw Marino will a victory?My God man...the guy was pure willpower on the field. How the hell else was he winning with that team?Point blank...which do you fear more?Favre in Miami with what Marino had?orMarino in GB with what Favre has had?

 

[tdoss]

Name a position/squad that GB didn't have a better talent pool than Miami...except QB of course...

OK, that was easy enough:The 1997 Packers lost the Super Bowl and had six Pro Bowlers - LeRoy Butler (db), Mark Chmura (te), Brett Favre (qb), Travis Jervey (special teams), Dorsey Levens (rb), Reggie White (dl)

The 1984 Dolphins lost the Super Bowl and had seven Pro Bowlers - Bob Baumhower (dl), Mark Clayton (wr), A.J. Duhe (lb), Mark Duper (wr), Dan Marino (qb), Ed Newman (ol), Dwight Stephenson (ol).

Pretty much kills your argument, so what else ya got? On second thought, if you want to post a rebuttle, please use facts to support your position instead of unfounded opinion.

TIA

Oh...I'm sorry...you're right...Baumhower is always mentioned over Reggie White...my bad.

If you wanted to argue that Miami had a better OLine...I'll hear that argument.

But as you can see...GB had better players...all around the ball. DLine, RB, DBacks...

 

[tdoss]

Name a position/squad that GB didn't have a better talent pool than Miami...except QB of course...

OK, that was easy enough:The 1997 Packers lost the Super Bowl and had six Pro Bowlers - LeRoy Butler (db), Mark Chmura (te), Brett Favre (qb), Travis Jervey (special teams), Dorsey Levens (rb), Reggie White (dl)

The 1984 Dolphins lost the Super Bowl and had seven Pro Bowlers - Bob Baumhower (dl), Mark Clayton (wr), A.J. Duhe (lb), Mark Duper (wr), Dan Marino (qb), Ed Newman (ol), Dwight Stephenson (ol).

Pretty much kills your argument, so what else ya got? On second thought, if you want to post a rebuttle, please use facts to support your position instead of unfounded opinion.

TIA

Oh...I'm sorry...you're right...Baumhower is always mentioned over Reggie White...my bad.

If you wanted to argue that Miami had a better OLine...I'll hear that argument.

But as you can see...GB had better players...all around the ball. DLine, RB, DBacks...

P.S. fact checker...You mentioned GB having one less Pro Bowler as your argument right?

My question to you would be...

"How many teams were in the league during 1984 versus 1997?

D'oh...that sting...that's pride messing with ya...

 

[BlueOnion]

Favre in Miami with what Marino had?

Favre has displayed the ability to win big games, Marino has not.

 

[Illegal Pants Downfield]

There's a lot to be said about being a good team. And a good teammate. I can't tell you how many times I remember seeing Marino yelling at his WRs on the sidelines after an incompletion or an interception. It was never Danny's fault. Always putting it on someone else. I don't ever remember Favre doing that. He takes the fall, keeps it to himself, even when it may have been someone else's mistake.So - I'm assuming here - the team around Marino probably didn't like him all that much. They wouldn't go to battle for him. But the guys around Favre do and will. What did Robert Brooks do after he left GB? Antonio Freeman? Desmond Howard? Edgar Bennett? Dorsey Levens? Newsome... Wilkins... White... Williams... Evans...the list goes on. I'm not saying that Favre made those guys better players (maybe he did, maybe he didn't). I am saying that playing as a team, under a QB that you respect, is going to garner more victories than all the impressive individual numbers that Marino had.

 

[tdoss]

Favre in Miami with what Marino had?

Favre has displayed the ability to win big games, Marino has not.

Favre won a SB...yay! But he threw what...200 yards...and the MVP was Desmond Howard? Favre has proven that he's got a better team...that's all I've seen.Elway would've gotten the same wrap as Marino if not more if it weren't for Denver finally getting a running back in Terrell Davis who is arguably HOF material.

 

[tdoss]

There's a lot to be said about being a good team. And a good teammate. I can't tell you how many times I remember seeing Marino yelling at his WRs on the sidelines after an incompletion or an interception. It was never Danny's fault. Always putting it on someone else. I don't ever remember Favre doing that. He takes the fall, keeps it to himself, even when it may have been someone else's mistake.So - I'm assuming here - the team around Marino probably didn't like him all that much. They wouldn't go to battle for him. But the guys around Favre do and will. What did Robert Brooks do after he left GB? Antonio Freeman? Desmond Howard? Edgar Bennett? Dorsey Levens? Newsome... Wilkins... White... Williams... Evans...the list goes on. I'm not saying that Favre made those guys better players (maybe he did, maybe he didn't). I am saying that playing as a team, under a QB that you respect, is going to garner more victories than all the impressive individual numbers that Marino had.

Not true...you just don't see it as much.Last night Favre threw interceptions and as soon as the play was over, you can see Favre yelling at his WR for not making the right cut...but the camera didn't focus in on it. Look at the recaps they'll show throughout the week...but watch on the far left side of your screen...you'll see the same thing that Marino would do when a WR missed his cut.And what did any of Marino's WR's ever do when they left Miami?

 

[H.K.]

But as you can see...GB had better players...all around the ball. DLine, RB, DBacks...

The Dolphins had six pro bowlers on the field besides Marino and the Packers only had four besides Favre because Jevery made it as a special teams player.Six is greater than four, meaning the Dolphins had more talent. Here's a hint: If you want to justify your argument use facts, you'll come across much more logicallyHere's another hint: Marino has better passing numbers than Favre, you may want to bring those up to help yourself outHave a nice day.

 

[BlueOnion]

Favre won a SB...yay! But he threw what...200 yards...and the MVP was Desmond Howard? Favre has proven that he's got a better team...that's all I've seen.Elway would've gotten the same wrap as Marino if not more if it weren't for Denver finally getting a running back in Terrell Davis who is arguably HOF material.

Lick I said, unit it happens, it never happened.As far as Elway goes, a big part of the Broncos winning those Super Bowls was definitely Terrell Davis, no one can deny this. But in the big game, Elway also made some big plays; the bomb to Rod Smith and the helicopter to name two. And probably the biggest reason the Broncos won those Super Bowls was Elway willing to share the spotlight, I never saw Marino do this (for whatever reason), but until it happens, it never happened.I just cannot give somebody credit for something unless they actually do it.

 

[tdoss]

But as you can see...GB had better players...all around the ball. DLine, RB, DBacks...

The Dolphins had six pro bowlers on the field besides Marino and the Packers only had four besides Favre because Jevery made it as a special teams player.Six is greater than four, meaning the Dolphins had more talent. Here's a hint: If you want to justify your argument use facts, you'll come across much more logicallyHere's another hint: Marino has better passing numbers than Favre, you may want to bring those up to help yourself outHave a nice day.

Doesn't that prove the point even more?GB had pro bowlers at DLine and DBacksGB had pro bowlers at RB and TEGB had pro bowlers at Special TeamsAll AROUND the ball and with more competition for those pro bowl spots...since there were more teams.Your move.

 

[H.K.]

All AROUND the ball and with more competition for those pro bowl spots...since there were more teams.Your move.

All around the ball? Wrong. Both teams had two on defense. The Dolphins had five on offense to the Packers three and the Packers had one on special teams....and I am sure that you'll point to Travis Jervey's special teams play as a huge reason for Favre and the Packer's success More teams means more Pro Bowlers? Wrong again. In 1984 there were 28 teams and 40 pro bowl roster slots, in 1997 there were 30 teams and 41 roster spots.Game, set & match. You lose.

 

[Disco Stu]

This argument that Marino was better because the Dolphin defense was worse than the Packer defense doesn't make much sense. The only way that helps the Marino argument is if you're saying that's why Favre has a better career record (I assume). But it hurts the Marino argument more, since the other side could say the poor defense is a big reason Marino has such gaudy numbers. If his defense was better he wouldn't have needed to throw so much. Fewer attempts = fewer completions, yards, and TDs (the three things Marino supporters hang their hats on).

 

[Tau837]

To me...there's no question. Favre's got skills...no doubt...Hall of Famer definitely. But there's so much love for this guy that people consider him one of the best ever. To me...I consider him great...but that's it. He's had some of the best defenses to rely on year after year, with a ridiculous home field advantage to fall back on to bail him out of those numerous INT's he puts up. He's also had some of the better RB's in the league over his time.Marino did better...with less.Sure Favre has won the SB and Dan didn't...but again...that just shows how good a team Favre has had around him.Look at this season...Favre still has more than Dan probably ever had...and he's not looking too hot.

Woodrow, great post. It's really close, but if forced to choose I'd take Favre.tdoss:

with a ridiculous home field advantage to fall back on to bail him out

Please explain how playing in sub-freezing temperatures benefits a QB. Marino had great weather. (Are we really discussing the weather? Just an illustration of how foolish this argument is.) If there is some other aspect of his "ridiculous" home field advantage, please tell us. This strikes me as merely piling on.

those numerous INT's he puts up.

Favre has averaged an interception every 30.9 attempts. Marino averaged an interception every 32.8 attempts.On the other hand, Favre has averaged a passing TD every 18.8 attempts. Marino averaged a passing TD every 20.0 attempts.Not much to hang your hat on in advocating Marino as a better QB IMO.(These numbers are from pro-football-reference.com and include postseason data.)

He's also had some of the better RB's in the league over his time.

Well, he's certainly had better RBs than Marino had. Your implication may be a little strong otherwise--he's had 7 1000 yard rushers in 13 seasons, and 2 of those were barely over 1000. Generally speaking, Favre has been productive in the seasons in which he had a great RB and in the seasons in which he didn't. So I don't see that as really supporting your case.

Marino did better...with less.

Marino played on 10 playoff teams. Favre has played on 9 so far, and it doesn't look like he'll add to that count this year. You can spin it how you want, Marino played on several teams good enough to compete for the title, but he failed to elevate them over the top.

Sure Favre has won the SB and Dan didn't

Love how you gloss over this. It's a huge factor, like it or not, in how players, and particularly QBs, are judged. And I suspect that if you ask any QB in the NFL, or even if you ask Marino himself, they will all say that's how it should be.

 

[taylorj99]

I'd rather have a Super Bowl ring than a bunch of records.

Yeah, cause everyone remembers the backup left tackle for the Bears in '85, right?Once again the argument comes down to what you factor as most important to a great QB. Stats/Wins or Superbowl Rings.The only knock on Marino's career is that he never won the big one. But even if he had, people would say, "Marino only won one", versus whoever. There's always haters. People who've seen him come back to win games over their team. It's ridiculous. Someone TRIED to make a point that Marino only had the long ball. How do you explain his average pass to be 7.3 yards?No knocks on anyone else. Currently Favre and Testaverde are the only ones playing within grasp of any of the major records. Favre will surely go down as one of the best QB's ever to play. But, like someone said before, how can you compare them as they had different situaitons to play within. But if you took a poll of the greatest QB's ever, Marino is in the top 3, Favre would probably end up in the top ten. Just a quick fact. Over his career, Marino averaged 20/33 (61%) 243 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT per game. 147 Wins (second by 1), Nine Pro Bowls. But, no Superbowl Ring.

 

[tdoss]

All AROUND the ball and with more competition for those pro bowl spots...since there were more teams.Your move.

All around the ball? Wrong. Both teams had two on defense. The Dolphins had five on offense to the Packers three and the Packers had one on special teams....and I am sure that you'll point to Travis Jervey's special teams play as a huge reason for Favre and the Packer's success More teams means more Pro Bowlers? Wrong again. In 1984 there were 28 teams and 40 pro bowl roster slots, in 1997 there were 30 teams and 41 roster spots.Game, set & match. You lose.

Yes Special Teams means a lot...look at who got the MVP for Favre's SB victory...Desmond Howard.And I never said more teams means more pro bowlers...I said, with more teams...there's more competition for those spots. GB only had one fewer pro bowler...even though there are 2 more teams to choose pro bowlers from...I don't think you realize how well you helped prove my point...but if that's game set match in your eyes...so be it...I guess some guys can find a victory in even the most sound defeat...

 

[Jason Wood]

Just a quick fact. Over his career, Marino averaged 20/33 (61%) 243 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT per game. 147 Wins (second by 1), Nine Pro Bowls. But, no Superbowl Ring.

OK..., not sure where you got your numbers but Marino ACTUALLY averaged:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/MariDa00.htm

20.5 completions

34.5 attempts
59.4% completion
7.3 yards-per-attempt
253.6 yards passing
1.74 TDs
1.04 IntsWhich compares to Favre's career numbers:

20.5 completions
33.5 attempts
61.3% completion
7.1 yards-per-attempt
236.1 yards passing
1.79 TDs
1.08 IntsVirtually indistinguishable. Favre completed a higher percentage of his passes, Marino threw for more yards per game.

 

[tdoss]

Sidenote...how does that work exactly?

If you have same number of completions...and virtually same yards per attempt...how is the total yardage so much different?

Wait...it's the semantics of it, right? Yard per attempt versus Yards per completion?

 

[H.K.]

Sidenote...how does that work exactly?

If you have same number of completions...and virtually same yards per attempt...how is the total yardage so much different?

Wait...it's the semantics of it, right? Yard per attempt versus Yards per completion?

More games played. It's a math thing.

 

[Tough As Nails]

I think Marino is the better QB...but it's very close. The thing that always gets me with Favre is that he's never really taken a lesser team on his back and had them overachieve. Those who say Favre is a great big game QB and just WILLS his teams to wins are wrong when it comes to the playoffs. In the 2 Super Bowl years, the Packers clearly had the most talent in the NFC and had the #1 defense in the league. I know I'm not supposed to do this...but if you take Favre's playoff numbers when he didn't have the #1 defense in the league setting him up...look at these numbers:6 wins7 losses22 TD's18 INT'sQB rating of 83That is NOT willing his team to victory. That is performing to the level he is supposed to and not going any higher. A great QB, no freaking doubt. Top 10 of all-time. Top 5? Nope.

 

[H.K.]

I think Marino is the better QB...but it's very close. The thing that always gets me with Favre is that he's never really taken a lesser team on his back and had them overachieve. Those who say Favre is a great big game QB and just WILLS his teams to wins are wrong when it comes to the playoffs. In the 2 Super Bowl years, the Packers clearly had the most talent in the NFC and had the #1 defense in the league. I know I'm not supposed to do this...but if you take Favre's playoff numbers when he didn't have the #1 defense in the league setting him up...look at these numbers:6 wins7 losses22 TD's18 INT'sQB rating of 83That is NOT willing his team to victory. That is performing to the level he is supposed to and not going any higher. A great QB, no freaking doubt. Top 10 of all-time. Top 5? Nope.

It would be even better to compare the same numbers for Marino in playoff games.