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Who's in for a better year? Benson vs McGahee (1 Viewer)

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I'm trying to figure out who to keep......Cedric Benson or Willis McGahee. I can only keep one. The way I see it both players are entering the season with some question marks. Will Benson make it through the season w/o injuries? Can he handle the full RB load in an improving Chi offense? Will Willis' change of environment mean improved production? I see McGahee as the safe pick and Benson as the potential homerun(or huge disappointment). Thoughts???? Thanks All!!

 
My instincts say Benson is not going to be as good as we want him to be. If I had to choose a backup RB that comes in and really impresses and eventually wins the starting job by performance or injury - Adrian Peterson (CHI) is in my top 3.

My answer - McGahee. Baltimore is going to use him heavily and he has a history of performing admirably. We can't say that for Benson.

 
The Big Dance:

Benson on back to back plays:

Benson Fumbles, Next play Benson busts knee.

I'll take McGahee. Hell, I'd take Ahman Green over Benson.

 
I will take benson, that o-line in chicago is too good for him not to do well.
Agree. However, I'm very high on "the other" Adrian Peterson also so I always handcuff AP to Benson when I do my mock drafts (haven't done a real draft yet). I think AP would put up stud numbers in Chicago also if Benson were to go down. :thumbup:
 
McGahee and I cant say its close. The Ravens are clearly a better running cast around Willis than the Bills ever were. McGahee has looked solid in the pre-season, there going to feed him the ball like they did J-Lew except it will result in production. Will easily outproduce ADP and finish in the top 6 RBs.

 
McGahee and I cant say its close. The Ravens are clearly a better running cast around Willis than the Bills ever were. McGahee has looked solid in the pre-season, there going to feed him the ball like they did J-Lew except it will result in production. Will easily outproduce ADP and finish in the top 6 RBs.
This is the correct answer. :thumbup:
 
My instincts say Benson is not going to be as good as we want him to be.
We thought the same thing back when Larry Johnson wasn't "getting it" in his first couple of years.I believe they are both going to have solid years, with Benson having a slight edge. Chicago's offense will surprise this year.
 
McGahee has proven he is not an elite NFL back. He isn't going to do anymore than he has done in Buffalo. If that is better than Benson...we will see.

 
IMO they are both going to get 300 carries. But I think the Chicago o-line is better, plus I like Chicago's fantasy playoff schedule better (although McGahee has the easier schedule through the entire season and is less likely to miss games).

If I think my chances are good for making the playoffs based off previous years in a league, I think I go Benson. If not I go McGahee.

 
Recall reading that Balt's line for running game was terrible last year. the oline can pass protect but can't do much with the run. Now the question would be: How much was it Jamal and how much was the Oline?

i didn't watch much of Balt last year so I don't know. Were the holes there for Jamal or was he running into a wall due to lack of openings?

I believe they only rushed for 3.4 yds per carry. If they had holes open last year, then it was jamal and as such McGahee should rock. If not, Willis may be a bit of disappointment.

Thoughts?

 
McGahee and I cant say its close. The Ravens are clearly a better running cast around Willis than the Bills ever were. McGahee has looked solid in the pre-season, there going to feed him the ball like they did J-Lew except it will result in production. Will easily outproduce ADP and finish in the top 6 RBs.
In his best season with the Bills he was the 9th best running back. He's going to a team with a bad run-blocking line. Maybe not as bad but not very good. He doesn't give much as a receiver so unless you think he's going to have 380 carries for 1500+ yards and 15tds I don't see any way in the world that he's at worst 6th. I think at best a top 8-10 running back. And at worst pretty bad like the last two seasons.
 
My instincts say Benson is not going to be as good as we want him to be.
We thought the same thing back when Larry Johnson wasn't "getting it" in his first couple of years.I believe they are both going to have solid years, with Benson having a slight edge. Chicago's offense will surprise this year.
Please tell me you're not comparing Larry Johnson to Cedric Benson. Larry Johnson sat behind Priest Holmes one season and showed clear signs that he was on his way to stardom in his second season.Larry Johnson's second season 2004 kan | 10 | 120 581 4.8 9 | 22 278 12.6 2Cedric Benson's second season 2006 chi | 15 | 157 647 4.1 6 | 8 54 6.8 0 And LJ was behind Priest Holmes. Who was holding Cedric Benson back? The great Thomas Jones? Please.
 
McGahee has proven he is not an elite NFL back. He isn't going to do anymore than he has done in Buffalo. If that is better than Benson...we will see.
He may not be elite but Benson isn't either. Supporting cast is a very large component of RB success and McGahee had one of the worst during his time in Buff. To project his present situation based on his past in Buff is a mistake IMO since they are clearly apples/oranges.
 
McGahee has proven he is not an elite NFL back. He isn't going to do anymore than he has done in Buffalo. If that is better than Benson...we will see.
He may not be elite but Benson isn't either. Supporting cast is a very large component of RB success and McGahee had one of the worst during his time in Buff. To project his present situation based on his past in Buff is a mistake IMO since they are clearly apples/oranges.
And what an over the hill Steve McNair and a below average offense line are suppose to propel him to be great? I don't see it happening. I see him Max at RB15 with a downside of RB30 something.
 
McGahee and I cant say its close. The Ravens are clearly a better running cast around Willis than the Bills ever were. McGahee has looked solid in the pre-season, there going to feed him the ball like they did J-Lew except it will result in production. Will easily outproduce ADP and finish in the top 6 RBs.
Can't say I agree with this statement in any way.All of these reasons are why I believe McGahee will under-produce his ADP and finish a lot lower than most expect.

1.) The Ravens O-line is NOT remarkably better than Buffalo's. One may even argue that Buffalo's line has improved while Baltimore's has not.

2.) McGahee has NOT looked overly impressive in the preseason (just yet). He had 4 carries for 20 yards, nice. Except one of those runs was the first play of the game for 16 yards. He then proceeded to go 3 carries for 4 yards. Hmmmm...

3.) As long as McNair is still the Ravens QB and their WRs are their WRs, there's no real threat of getting beat by the passing game. McGahee will still see lots of stacked boxes.

4.) Willis is ALWAYS ranked this time of year in the Top 12 RBs in the league. Yet he always finishes in the 20s. He's a fantasy #2.

All that being said, he'll still out produce Benson, who has been equally unimpressive. But we've got to stop with all the Willis-has-a-new-team hype. He's still the guy with zero receving TDs for his career.

 
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I honestly don't think McGahee is much better than Jamal Lewis. In fact, Jamal Lewis in his prime has done more than McGahee in his prime. And neither back is in their prime any more. I would rather have Jamal Lewis at his ADP, than McGahee. Whether that is any better than Cedric Benson, we will have to see. I'm not a big fan of either one of these backs. That said, I am looking at keeping Benson over Edge in one of my keeper leagues just due to the youth factor.

 
I actually thing Benson will outperform McGahee, and you can p/u Benson much later. The Bears will run the ball. They always do. Every year forever. The problem I see is Benson getting hurt. You have to handcuff him to Adrian Peterson, who if given the chance to run behind the Bears line will be just as good and dependable. I have the first pick, and am thinking if I tie Turner to LT2 and Peterson to Benson, I will be in real good shape for the year. Neither is RBBC and if the starter goes down there won't be much dropoff to the #2 guy. The only issue is roster spots being held for handcuffs that may never play.

My .02.

plymkr

 
McGahee and I cant say its close. The Ravens are clearly a better running cast around Willis than the Bills ever were. McGahee has looked solid in the pre-season, there going to feed him the ball like they did J-Lew except it will result in production. Will easily outproduce ADP and finish in the top 6 RBs.
In his best season with the Bills he was the 9th best running back. He's going to a team with a bad run-blocking line. Maybe not as bad but not very good. He doesn't give much as a receiver so unless you think he's going to have 380 carries for 1500+ yards and 15tds I don't see any way in the world that he's at worst 6th. I think at best a top 8-10 running back. And at worst pretty bad like the last two seasons.
I'd be splittting hairs if I disagreed with you, we're both calling for him to outperform his ADP right? :thumbup: I think our slight diff is in the way we view the line. Gaither was a great pickup at the tackle spot. If Ogdens healthy I could even see them play Gaither at RT.

 
McGahee's ADP is 12.

Who on this list do you see him jumping over?

LT

Jackson

LJ

Gore

Alexander

Addai

Westbrook

Parker

Rudi

Bush

Maroney

Henry

McGahee

 
McGahee and I cant say its close. The Ravens are clearly a better running cast around Willis than the Bills ever were. McGahee has looked solid in the pre-season, there going to feed him the ball like they did J-Lew except it will result in production. Will easily outproduce ADP and finish in the top 6 RBs.
Can't say I agree with this statement in any way.All of these reasons are why I believe McGahee will under-produce his ADP and finish a lot lower than most expect.

1.) The Ravens O-line is NOT remarkably better than Buffalo's. One may even argue that Buffalo's line has improved while Baltimore's has not.

2.) McGahee has NOT looked overly impressive in the preseason (just yet). He had 4 carries for 20 yards, nice. Except one of those runs was the first play of the game for 16 yards. He then proceeded to go 3 carries for 4 yards. Hmmmm...

3.) As long as McNair is still the Ravens QB and their WRs are their WRs, there's no real threat of getting beat by the passing game. McGahee will still see lots of stacked boxes.

4.) Willis is ALWAYS ranked this time of year in the Top 12 RBs in the league. Yet he always finishes in the 20s. He's a fantasy #2.

All that being said, he'll still out produce Benson, who has been equally unimpressive. But we've got to stop with all the Willis-has-a-new-team hype. He's still the guy with zero receving TDs for his career.
Some valid points Fisto.I dont think the line is as bad as all seems. Ogdens been out in the pre-season too, so lets give Willis a handicap on the pre-season stats. Gaither is a manchild rookie tackle for depth.

Theres plenty of teams who may not have a legit pass games that still produce good rushers (Mark Clayton and D.Williams can only get better too right?)

Willis may always be ranked...... But the Bills are not the Ravens any way you cut it... its a new situation. Theres an intangible i cant put into words but basically... Baltimore expects to go all the way this year, Willis knows he is the missing piece their counting on, he been working very hard this off-season, spirits are high in Baltimore.

 
McGahee and I cant say its close. The Ravens are clearly a better running cast around Willis than the Bills ever were. McGahee has looked solid in the pre-season, there going to feed him the ball like they did J-Lew except it will result in production. Will easily outproduce ADP and finish in the top 6 RBs.
In his best season with the Bills he was the 9th best running back. He's going to a team with a bad run-blocking line. Maybe not as bad but not very good. He doesn't give much as a receiver so unless you think he's going to have 380 carries for 1500+ yards and 15tds I don't see any way in the world that he's at worst 6th. I think at best a top 8-10 running back. And at worst pretty bad like the last two seasons.
I'd be splittting hairs if I disagreed with you, we're both calling for him to outperform his ADP right? :whistle: I think our slight diff is in the way we view the line. Gaither was a great pickup at the tackle spot. If Ogdens healthy I could even see them play Gaither at RT.
Yeah. It's close but I think he should be up there. I have him more toward 10 than 8. I'm not his biggest fan but he has been a top 10 running back in the league and a two-time 1100 yard rusher. So I can't say he's a bum. It just wouldn't be true. The Ravens traded for him and signed him to a large contract so they're gonna work him. He should get over 20 carries a game.I love his schedule too. 4 games against the Bengals and Browns. 4 games against the NFC West (AKA Fantasy Heaven) Bills, Jets, Colts.

That's 11 great matchups out of 15 games right there (Ravens play the Steelers week 17). Just by sheer force of will he should be a top 15 running back. The question is can he make the most out of the opportunity and become a top-10 running back or better. I don't know about the offensive line. The offense as a whole wasn't great it scored points but that was helped by the defense. They played better toward the end of the season but wasn't great overall.

So overall I don't know that I'd trust McGahee as my #1 back but I think that he can be a really good to great #2 back. You know who he reminds me of? Rudi Johnson. Both are tough inside runners who aren't real flashy. The only difference is that Rudi has played on a really good offensive team. And now McGahee now plays on a really good defensive team. Will the results be similar. We'll see.

 
I'll take CHI RB Adrian Peterson over Benson.

Benson will not make it through week 3 without some nagging or minor injury

 
I think one element of this comparison that is being missed is on the McGahee side. In general, do you think the BUF DEF is at the same level as the BAL DEF? I am of the opinion that the better the DEF the more valuable the running game for that team. Carries might not be much different between BUF and BAL in '06 but I would like to be able to determine where those carries took place. Turnover margin(+17 for BAL, -5 for BUF in '06) would suggest BAL ran more plays in the opponents territory although it did not result in a significant difference in either YDS(BAL 102/g, BUF 97/g) or TDs(BAL 11, BUF 9). But the teams were 6 games apart in the won loss column(13-3, 7-9). I don't think Lewis got what he could out of those situations. I am not saying the BAL OL was great or anything but Lewis just didn't run as hard as he used to. I think McGahee runs harder and will get more out of those opportunities as BUF was playing from behind much more than BAL and the endzone was much further away on average for each carry(again IMO). Now Benson has a similar situation in CHI as McGahee does in BAL when looking at the stout DEF. But I do think McNair/Heap/Clayton/Mason > Grossman/TE/Berrian/Mushin. All in all it looks pretty even but I would expect the BAL offense to be more consistent than CHI. So I would take McGahee to have the better year even though CHI outrushed BAL last year by about 17yds/g. T. Jones did most of that and he's gone now so Benson is kind of an unknown commodity in terms of longevity. McGahee has only missed 2 games in 3 years since starting in the '04 season on a not so good BUF team. I just think he has more upside in BAL at this point than Benson in CHI. But again they should be close in #s barring injury to either.

 
McGahee has proven he is not an elite NFL back. He isn't going to do anymore than he has done in Buffalo. If that is better than Benson...we will see.
He may not be elite but Benson isn't either. Supporting cast is a very large component of RB success and McGahee had one of the worst during his time in Buff. To project his present situation based on his past in Buff is a mistake IMO since they are clearly apples/oranges.
And what an over the hill Steve McNair and a below average offense line are suppose to propel him to be great? I don't see it happening. I see him Max at RB15 with a downside of RB30 something.
Lewis had twice as many red zone carries as McGahee last year. Last year Lewis was rb16 with a worse line, 3.4 ypc and worse talent. McGahee at ADP rb15 is being drafted at his downside because he's not going to be worse than Lewis last year.
 
McGahee's ADP is 12.Who on this list do you see him jumping over?LTJacksonLJGoreAlexanderAddaiWestbrookParkerRudiBushMaroneyHenryMcGahee
It wouldn't shock me at all if he jumped over Alexander, Rudi, Maroney and Bush. It all depends on the td's...
 
McGahee's ADP is 12.Who on this list do you see him jumping over?LTJacksonLJGoreAlexanderAddaiWestbrookParkerRudiBushMaroneyHenryMcGahee
It wouldn't shock me at all if he jumped over Alexander, Rudi, Maroney and Bush. It all depends on the td's...
Like I said I can understand the arguements for Maroney and Bush. IMO Alexander is going to get 14 TD's barring injury. McGahee could reach that limit, but not as likely IMO. Hence Alexander being ranked higher.With Rudi not having a competent backup he has a good probability of getting 400 carries with Irons going down (and a virtual lock for 12 TD's) I don't see McGahee passing him up either barring injury.
 
I'll take CHI RB Adrian Peterson over Benson.Benson will not make it through week 3 without some nagging or minor injury
Link? or did you pull that out of a fortune cookie?
No it's just the way I feel and history has shown him to be beatch when it comes to pain.
Haha....he won't make it past week 3? You feel like making any bets?
Not really cause I couldn't care less about it or him.This is still a forum for opinions right??? :popcorn:
 
I'll take CHI RB Adrian Peterson over Benson.Benson will not make it through week 3 without some nagging or minor injury
Link? or did you pull that out of a fortune cookie?
No it's just the way I feel and history has shown him to be beatch when it comes to pain.
Haha....he won't make it past week 3? You feel like making any bets?
Not really cause I couldn't care less about it or him.This is still a forum for opinions right??? :thumbup:
Obviously, but people like to see explanations for people's opinions rather then just vague intuition.
 
the deciding factor on this, imho, is how benson fairs on third down plays coming out of the gates. if he can prove that he doesn't need to come out in place of AP, then he's your guy as he will see some more dump-offs. if not, it's mcgahee.

i've currently got mcgahee at 11 TDs, with Benson at 9...this tips the scales toward willis, but we all know how tough TDs are to predict.

bit of a coin flip...maybe it comes down to which team you will enjoy watching more on sundays.

 
McGahee's ADP is 12.Who on this list do you see him jumping over?LTJacksonLJGoreAlexanderAddaiWestbrookParkerRudiBushMaroneyHenryMcGahee
It wouldn't shock me at all if he jumped over Alexander, Rudi, Maroney and Bush. It all depends on the td's...
Like I said I can understand the arguements for Maroney and Bush. IMO Alexander is going to get 14 TD's barring injury. McGahee could reach that limit, but not as likely IMO. Hence Alexander being ranked higher.With Rudi not having a competent backup he has a good probability of getting 400 carries with Irons going down (and a virtual lock for 12 TD's) I don't see McGahee passing him up either barring injury.
Rudi had the same backup situation last year so I don't see why his carries would drastically change. I don't know that it's a given that Alexander will get 14 tds, their line is not what it was and he may not be the rb he was. At this time last year if you looked at L. Betts and said he would be top 10 you would have been flamed to death. Unexpected things happen each year.
 
The Man with the Plan said:
dudaman said:
Jeff Haseley said:
My instincts say Benson is not going to be as good as we want him to be.
We thought the same thing back when Larry Johnson wasn't "getting it" in his first couple of years.I believe they are both going to have solid years, with Benson having a slight edge. Chicago's offense will surprise this year.
Please tell me you're not comparing Larry Johnson to Cedric Benson. Larry Johnson sat behind Priest Holmes one season and showed clear signs that he was on his way to stardom in his second season.Larry Johnson's second season 2004 kan | 10 | 120 581 4.8 9 | 22 278 12.6 2Cedric Benson's second season 2006 chi | 15 | 157 647 4.1 6 | 8 54 6.8 0 And LJ was behind Priest Holmes. Who was holding Cedric Benson back? The great Thomas Jones? Please.
Not comparing, but many had written LJ off as soon as Vermeil publicly question his ability to pick up the offense - in the midst of a 1-4 start on 2004. Many soured on him early in 2004. All I'm saying is that he didn't give you a reason to get excited and neither has Benson - I believe Benson is much better than people are saying.
 
rascal said:
jgb95 said:
benson_will_lead_the_way said:
jgb95 said:
Brutis said:
jgb95 said:
I'll take CHI RB Adrian Peterson over Benson.Benson will not make it through week 3 without some nagging or minor injury
Link? or did you pull that out of a fortune cookie?
No it's just the way I feel and history has shown him to be beatch when it comes to pain.
Haha....he won't make it past week 3? You feel like making any bets?
Not really cause I couldn't care less about it or him.This is still a forum for opinions right??? :confused:
Obviously, but people like to see explanations for people's opinions rather then just vague intuition.
maybe he has a magic ping-pong ball that told him?
 
The Man with the Plan said:
dudaman said:
Jeff Haseley said:
My instincts say Benson is not going to be as good as we want him to be.
We thought the same thing back when Larry Johnson wasn't "getting it" in his first couple of years.I believe they are both going to have solid years, with Benson having a slight edge. Chicago's offense will surprise this year.
Please tell me you're not comparing Larry Johnson to Cedric Benson. Larry Johnson sat behind Priest Holmes one season and showed clear signs that he was on his way to stardom in his second season.Larry Johnson's second season 2004 kan | 10 | 120 581 4.8 9 | 22 278 12.6 2Cedric Benson's second season 2006 chi | 15 | 157 647 4.1 6 | 8 54 6.8 0 And LJ was behind Priest Holmes. Who was holding Cedric Benson back? The great Thomas Jones? Please.
Not comparing, but many had written LJ off as soon as Vermeil publicly question his ability to pick up the offense - in the midst of a 1-4 start on 2004. Many soured on him early in 2004. All I'm saying is that he didn't give you a reason to get excited and neither has Benson - I believe Benson is much better than people are saying.
While I think McGahee is a tad more gifted than Benson, Benson's ability isnt my concern with him. I question whether he can carry a full load on his own. Im not predicting injury but im not going to overlook the past and thus far his career hasnt gotten off to a great start in the durability dept. If they try and give Benson the full load vs what they did with Jones/Benson in previous years, Peterson may be the real workhorse for CHI in Dec. With McGahee I know I'm getting someone whos been there already and is in the best situation of his career in the prime of his career.
 
Banger said:
rascal said:
McGahee's ADP is 12.Who on this list do you see him jumping over?LTJacksonLJGoreAlexanderAddaiWestbrookParkerRudiBushMaroneyHenryMcGahee
It wouldn't shock me at all if he jumped over Alexander, Rudi, Maroney and Bush. It all depends on the td's...
serious question - how in the world can you logically project McGahee jumping over Alexander? just curious to your reasoning - maybe I am missing something that I should be aware of.
 
Banger said:
rascal said:
McGahee's ADP is 12.Who on this list do you see him jumping over?LTJacksonLJGoreAlexanderAddaiWestbrookParkerRudiBushMaroneyHenryMcGahee
It wouldn't shock me at all if he jumped over Alexander, Rudi, Maroney and Bush. It all depends on the td's...
serious question - how in the world can you logically project McGahee jumping over Alexander? just curious to your reasoning - maybe I am missing something that I should be aware of.
- Seattle's line on a serious decline- Mack Strong on a considerable decline- Broken foot - truly healed and 100%?- Only 2 100 yard games last year- 3.6 ypc last year- Turns 30 in augustlots of road signs say that alexander is on the fast train downward.
 
Banger said:
rascal said:
McGahee's ADP is 12.Who on this list do you see him jumping over?LTJacksonLJGoreAlexanderAddaiWestbrookParkerRudiBushMaroneyHenryMcGahee
It wouldn't shock me at all if he jumped over Alexander, Rudi, Maroney and Bush. It all depends on the td's...
serious question - how in the world can you logically project McGahee jumping over Alexander? just curious to your reasoning - maybe I am missing something that I should be aware of.
- Seattle's line on a serious decline- Mack Strong on a considerable decline- Broken foot - truly healed and 100%?- Only 2 100 yard games last year- 3.6 ypc last year- Turns 30 in augustlots of road signs say that alexander is on the fast train downward.
:wall: Stole my thunder. Now, I have Alexander projected slightly higher than McGahee but my point was that it wouldn't surprise me if McGahee jumped ahead of him. Looking at FBG projections SA is projected for an avg of 229 pts and McGahee 201 and the difference essentially is that SA is projected for 12 td's vs 9 for McGahee. The difference between the two isn't that great.
 
Banger said:
rascal said:
McGahee's ADP is 12.

Who on this list do you see him jumping over?

LT

Jackson

LJ

Gore

Alexander

Addai

Westbrook

Parker

Rudi

Bush

Maroney

Henry

McGahee
It wouldn't shock me at all if he jumped over Alexander, Rudi, Maroney and Bush. It all depends on the td's...
serious question - how in the world can you logically project McGahee jumping over Alexander? just curious to your reasoning - maybe I am missing something that I should be aware of.
- Seattle's line on a serious decline - What do you mean by decline? age, performance, etc.. I'd disagree with you. I'm sure you are pointing to last season as proof of this - did you realize EVERY lineman for SEA missed time last year except for Walter Jones? and not just a game here or there but chunks of games 3 here 5 here...- Mack Strong on a considerable decline -his blocking skills have declined that much in a year?

- Broken foot - truly healed and 100%? - Holmgren says Alexander looks faster and lighter in camp - faster than he has ever seen him. He ran for 140 against the chargers after returning and ran almost at will against the Bears in the playoffs. Here we are 6 months later - what makes you think that it is not healed? - link?

- Only 2 100 yard games last year - yeah - um - injury?

- 3.6 ypc last year - as noted above the Seahawks O-line was wrecked by injuries last year. -

Turns 30 in august - can't argue with you there - he will be 30 but I think this is one of the biggest FF myths out there. I think you can start looking for a decline in numbers but you don't drop a perennial top 5 TD machine out of the top 5 just becasue he turns 30.

lots of road signs say that alexander is on the fast train downward.
 

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