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Who's opinion do you trust the most? (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
Other - Bloom, Lamney with a dash of Matt.
Audible fan here
With that said, I do like EBF and Pasquinos rankings too, it's good to get as many opinions as possible.
Audible fan here
With that said, I do like EBF and Pasquinos rankings too, it's good to get as many opinions as possible.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I believe in trusting yourself first or you will always be looking up.
Fiddles
Footballguy
where are you reading jeters opinions?
EBF
Footballguy
Everyone has their hits and misses. I try to learn from my mistakes and get better every year.
I recommend weighing a variety of opinions and seeing where they differ radically. If someone whose opinion I respect is much higher on a player than the consensus, then that interests me and it's something I'll investigate. Likewise, if someone whose opinion I respect is much lower on a player than the consensus, then that also interests me.
I recommend weighing a variety of opinions and seeing where they differ radically. If someone whose opinion I respect is much higher on a player than the consensus, then that interests me and it's something I'll investigate. Likewise, if someone whose opinion I respect is much lower on a player than the consensus, then that also interests me.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
But what about those of us that suck at evaluating college talent?
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
FPG = First Place Gareau
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
FPG = First Place Gareau
I just want to say I think the important thing here is not the ranking, it's the explanation for the ranking. I have changed my rankings after reading great arguments from many posters not listed in the poll choices. Anyone can take a list of names and rank them, I at least want to know that the rankings are based on some deliberation, research, and seeing the guy play.
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
Agreed. Rankings are a guideline at best. The individual has to cater it to his viewpoints and needs. While I trust my analysis, I am always going to look at the work of others. It helps me understand where they're coming from. One analyst might place a heavier weight on athleticism and have an eye for certain types of players that others don't. At the same time, they might have blind spots that you discover over time. Both things are important to know. There are a lot of good viewpoints out there, but the trick is learning to find which opinions you value you and why. There are some guys I like to read because I know I'm going to get a very conservative perspective and others where I won't get anything about technique but they have a great feel for what makes a good player and their explanations are compelling and entertaining. I don't get to read much until after I do my publication, but I make the point to check them out once I'm done.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
lyon812
Footballguy
I agree completely, as someone who has far more time to read than to search the Internet for highlight reels. What's also interesting to me is seeing where people differ in their assessment; every now and then I'll see people disagree in basic assessments (fast, good hands, technique, etc), which inspires me to examine it more in depth myself.
hephner
Footballguy
Has anyone compiled their assessments or rankings over the last few years to compare if any outpaced the others in their predictions?
Kind of like that one fantasy site (can't remember which one it is) that takes all the rankings from sites like FBG and other fantasy sites, and grades their pre-season rankings based on how players finished in fantasy points vs. how each site ranked them. They then determine the top sites for rating each position each year, on average. Which reminds me, I need to find that link again.
Kind of like that one fantasy site (can't remember which one it is) that takes all the rankings from sites like FBG and other fantasy sites, and grades their pre-season rankings based on how players finished in fantasy points vs. how each site ranked them. They then determine the top sites for rating each position each year, on average. Which reminds me, I need to find that link again.
RC94
Footballguy
Tefertiller, Jeter, myself and a few others regularly provide advice in the ACF.
EBF
Footballguy
The problem is that it can be very difficult to quantify success or failure with prospects. Anthony Thomas won rookie of the year and had two 1,000+ yard seasons before being exposed as a mediocre talent. Was he a hit or a miss? I think you could argue that he was both.Some guys are soaring successes (Larry Fitzgerald) and others are dismal failures (Rashaun Woods). But between those two extremes there's a whole range of outcomes that can be interpreted as success or failure depending on your frame of reference. Michael Clayton, Rod Gardner, Reggie Brown, Koren Robinson, Donte Stallworth, Ashley Lelie, Michael Bennett, William Green, Chris Brown, Kevin Jones, Julius Jones, and Vince Young aren't considered successes at this point in time, but there was a moment in their careers when they held substantial trade value. Were they successes or failures?It can be very difficult to draw a distinction between "good" rankings and "bad" rankings because values are always fluctuating and the same ranking that looks like genius at one point can look like crap at another point. Consider a comparison between two WRs drafted in 2001. Rod Gardner was the 15th overall pick. Chad Johnson was the 36th overall pick. Gardner had 46 catches for 741 yards in his rookie season. Johnson had 28 catches for 329 yards in his rookie season. At that point in time, your rankings would've been considered correct if you had placed Gardner above Johnson. Gardner had a better rookie year and was a higher pick in every league after the 2001 season. Fast forward a few years. The tables have turned completely. Gardner has washed out of the league while Johnson is in the midst of a potential Hall of Fame career. The geniuses who put Gardner ahead of Johnson on their rookie lists now look like fools. So were they right or wrong? Both. They were right between 2001-2002 and wrong for 2002+. Johnson lapped Gardner and never looked back. But for a time, you looked great if you thought Rod Gardner was better than Chad Johnson. I'd venture to guess that we might see the same thing with at least some of last year's rookie class. 3-4 years from now Jonathan Stewart and Rashard Mendenhall might have lapped Matt Forte and Steve Slaton. So would it have been right or wrong to rank Slaton and Forte higher than Stewart and Mendenhall initially? Both. Rookie rankings are tricky in part because a fraud masquerading as a success can appear more valuable than a stud masquerading as a bust even after several years in the league. Consider that Roddy White is now more valuable than Cadillac, Benson, and Ronnie. It would've been unthinkable during the first two years of his career.
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Couch Potato
Footballguy
I can't trust any of them, and here's why:
1) EBF is the NYSE symbol for Ennis Inc.
http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:EBF
This stock was trading on 2/6/09 at $13.31, and today closed at $8.53, a decline of 56%. In fact, it was down 8.18% just today. I'm not buying EBF, I wouldn't trust EBF, and you shouldn't either.
2) Pasquinade refers to an anonymous lampoon, whether in verse or in prose. Pasquin (Italian Pasquino, Latin Pasquillus) was the name ordinary Romans gave to a battered ancient statue, and the story behind this statue gives rise to the term pasquinade. If you're interested in the full story, it's at Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasquinade
But, for my purposes, Pasquinade = Pasquino = Lampoon = Not to be taken seriously. So much for me believing in Jeff.
3) Did you know that an anagram for "Sigmund Bloom" is "Slim dumb goon"? That's an omen to me. This guy has to be bad news.
4) Matt Waldman. Never mind the possibility this guy is really just a FFT mole, infiltrating FBG to get into the inner workings to either destroy it or steal from it. Never mind that Matt is from Georgia, and those folks down there with those accents pronounce "Wild Man" as "Waldman" and he might have been given that as a nickname because he may be a little unsound, rather than it being his real name.
Let's just set aside both of those things. What really worries me is, by his own admission, his obsession is "taking pro prospect analysis to a new level of depravity." Sounds a bit like a stalker of college boys to me. In addition, he freely admits being the creator of the crank score.
http://www.fftoday.com/articles/waldman/index.htm
So he's a stalker of these young athletes, and he's out scoring crank. This is not a guy I'm putting my faith in.
So who can I trust? Someone who has the power to get 70+ million people to pay attention by opening their mouth just one time. I'm going to ask Susan Boyle what to do.
1) EBF is the NYSE symbol for Ennis Inc.
http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:EBF
This stock was trading on 2/6/09 at $13.31, and today closed at $8.53, a decline of 56%. In fact, it was down 8.18% just today. I'm not buying EBF, I wouldn't trust EBF, and you shouldn't either.
2) Pasquinade refers to an anonymous lampoon, whether in verse or in prose. Pasquin (Italian Pasquino, Latin Pasquillus) was the name ordinary Romans gave to a battered ancient statue, and the story behind this statue gives rise to the term pasquinade. If you're interested in the full story, it's at Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasquinade
But, for my purposes, Pasquinade = Pasquino = Lampoon = Not to be taken seriously. So much for me believing in Jeff.
3) Did you know that an anagram for "Sigmund Bloom" is "Slim dumb goon"? That's an omen to me. This guy has to be bad news.
4) Matt Waldman. Never mind the possibility this guy is really just a FFT mole, infiltrating FBG to get into the inner workings to either destroy it or steal from it. Never mind that Matt is from Georgia, and those folks down there with those accents pronounce "Wild Man" as "Waldman" and he might have been given that as a nickname because he may be a little unsound, rather than it being his real name.
Let's just set aside both of those things. What really worries me is, by his own admission, his obsession is "taking pro prospect analysis to a new level of depravity." Sounds a bit like a stalker of college boys to me. In addition, he freely admits being the creator of the crank score.
http://www.fftoday.com/articles/waldman/index.htm
So he's a stalker of these young athletes, and he's out scoring crank. This is not a guy I'm putting my faith in.
So who can I trust? Someone who has the power to get 70+ million people to pay attention by opening their mouth just one time. I'm going to ask Susan Boyle what to do.
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you had me upto "Boyle"....
identikit
Footballguy
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
I'd put JPeso up there if you're looking for help in the Asst Coach forum.
az_prof
Footballguy
Yes, Peso and Terfilliger are very helpful in AC forum.Multiple Scores said:I'd put JPeso up there if you're looking for help in the Asst Coach forum.
Pictus Cat
Footballguy
I think there are two extremes (and those in between,)
those who just want rankings to decide for them and want the most accurate historically and actually
and
those who enjoy the discussion.
Rankings guys are usually in for a rude awakening when the latest rankings come out
and the discussion guy already picked him up.
I'll read as much discussion as I can,
look at all the rankings,
and make a decision based on that.
I'm not running a business here and need the answer,
I'm just having fun.
those who just want rankings to decide for them and want the most accurate historically and actually
and
those who enjoy the discussion.
Rankings guys are usually in for a rude awakening when the latest rankings come out
and the discussion guy already picked him up.
I'll read as much discussion as I can,
look at all the rankings,
and make a decision based on that.
I'm not running a business here and need the answer,
I'm just having fun.
FantasyTrader
Footballguy
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Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Any RB that EBF and I agree on is a lead pipe lock. Bloom, I love to listen to 'cause he bring some elements to the scouting table that I don't have. Waldman has some great discussion about some of his prospects, and Pas might be the most active/interactive of all. I don't think you can take just one and run with him, but have to take in the opinions and arguments from all (and not leave out guys like Aposulli, Blackjacks, Prymetime, F&L and several others here that seem just as qualified).
