Who's the better Dynasty WR of the three? (1 Viewer)

[The Karate Kid]

1) Eddie Royal- Great hands and route running made him look like a veteran or was it Cutler?

2) Devin Hester- This speed machine is now working with a QB that can reach him on fly patterns. Can he polish up his game?

3) Donnie Avery- This turf blazer showed some nice promise before the Rams put up the white flag. Will he be a true #1 in RamLand?

Thoughts?

 

[bcr8f]

Eddie Royal.

 

[Banger]

Eddie Royal.

with Cutler, yes. without I'm not so sure. Avery's pretty good from what I've seen. I'd put them neck and neck and Hester a distant 3rd.Royal had one of the best WR situations and Avery had one of the worst.

 

[ffwebster]

Avery..

 

[ffwebster]

Avery..

 

[LBH]

Royal easily. Mcdaniels scheme will feature him, and you dont need Cutlers arm to get a ton of production out of that

 

[identikit]

Royal

Avery

Hester

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Royal easily. Mcdaniels scheme will feature him, and you dont need Cutlers arm to get a ton of production out of that

I agree. I think Eddie Royal is one of the better dynasty "buy low" opportunities out there right now. There is a perception out there that without Cutler the Broncos offense tooka huge step back. While it did take a step back, I dont think the step is as monumental as the perceived value loss for Marshall or Royal - particularly Royal who mostly ran the underneath routes, and will likely have the same role going forward. He has the speed and ability to get deep, but he shined underneath last year and I see no reason why he would not play the same role this year - which plays well to Orton's strength.

 

[foxco]

RoyalAveryHester

 

[ffwebster]

Totally disagree.. who knows how the Den offense will turn out.. BUT, I do know that Donnie Avery is the #1 WR in St.Louis, and Royal is #2 in Denver...

 

[RC94]

You should make this into a poll.

 

[TheWick]

Totally disagree.. who knows how the Den offense will turn out.. BUT, I do know that Donnie Avery is the #1 WR in St.Louis, and Royal is #2 in Denver...

Denver will throw the ball more than the rams, that is one thing I think we can agree on.

 

[renesauz]

While I agree that Hester is third on this list, I don't think he is the distant third being portrayed. His route running was greatly improved last year and I think he may have the highest ceiling of the the three receivers we're talking about.

I'd give Avery a slight edge over Royal right now, with Hester a not-too distant third.

 

[Birdie048]

Royal easily. Mcdaniels scheme will feature him, and you dont need Cutlers arm to get a ton of production out of that

RoyalI agree. Royal will be the Wes Welker role in Denver. Lots of looks, lots of catches, not too many TD's

 

[Birdie048]

Totally disagree.. who knows how the Den offense will turn out.. BUT, I do know that Donnie Avery is the #1 WR in St.Louis, and Royal is #2 in Denver...

How do you consider Avery #1 in StL with the recent trade of Laurent Robinson from ATL??And Keenan Burton looked very good pre-injury last season, and given another off-season of conditioning and training, he could surpass Avery as a favorite target. L Robinson and Burton could be the WR1 & WR1A duo in StL. Avery is not locked in as a starter. I don't see Avery as a clear choice here.

Royal can be #1 since Marshall is a liability to have.

New offensive scheme will work to Royal's strength.

 

[millertyme1]

Royal

Avery -- remains to be seen if he's the #1 in STL. I think the guy is really raw & I really like Laurent Robinson (a far more polished WR IMO) a bit more.

Hester

 

[cstu]

Totally disagree.. who knows how the Den offense will turn out.. BUT, I do know that Donnie Avery is the #1 WR in St.Louis, and Royal is #2 in Denver...

How do you consider Avery #1 in StL with the recent trade of Laurent Robinson from ATL??And Keenan Burton looked very good pre-injury last season, and given another off-season of conditioning and training, he could surpass Avery as a favorite target. L Robinson and Burton could be the WR1 & WR1A duo in StL. Avery is not locked in as a starter. I don't see Avery as a clear choice here.

Royal can be #1 since Marshall is a liability to have.

New offensive scheme will work to Royal's strength.

Robinson was traded for what was essentially the 195th pick in the draft according to the trade chart. Now he somehow going to beat out the rookie WR who played well enough for them to cut Holt? I can see Burton being in a 1A/1B situation with Avery, but Robinson was practically given away and probably for good reason.

 

[cstu]

Totally disagree.. who knows how the Den offense will turn out.. BUT, I do know that Donnie Avery is the #1 WR in St.Louis, and Royal is #2 in Denver...

How do you consider Avery #1 in StL with the recent trade of Laurent Robinson from ATL??And Keenan Burton looked very good pre-injury last season, and given another off-season of conditioning and training, he could surpass Avery as a favorite target. L Robinson and Burton could be the WR1 & WR1A duo in StL. Avery is not locked in as a starter. I don't see Avery as a clear choice here.

Royal can be #1 since Marshall is a liability to have.

New offensive scheme will work to Royal's strength.

Robinson was traded for what was essentially the 195th pick in the draft according to the trade chart. Now he somehow going to beat out the rookie WR who played well enough for them to cut Holt? I can see Burton being in a 1A/1B situation with Avery, but Robinson was practically given away and probably for good reason.

 

[Ripleys]

RoyalAveryHester

 

[vikingsguy22]

Royal easily. Mcdaniels scheme will feature him, and you dont need Cutlers arm to get a ton of production out of that

I agree. I think Eddie Royal is one of the better dynasty "buy low" opportunities out there right now. There is a perception out there that without Cutler the Broncos offense tooka huge step back. While it did take a step back, I dont think the step is as monumental as the perceived value loss for Marshall or Royal - particularly Royal who mostly ran the underneath routes, and will likely have the same role going forward. He has the speed and ability to get deep, but he shined underneath last year and I see no reason why he would not play the same role this year - which plays well to Orton's strength.

I"d go Royal - Avery.......Hester, but Royal is by NO means a "buy low" guy right now. In all of my dynasty leagues, the Royal owners are asking for a kings ransom to get rid of him and he just went 1.12 in one of my dynasty startup drafts.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Royal easily. Mcdaniels scheme will feature him, and you dont need Cutlers arm to get a ton of production out of that

I agree. I think Eddie Royal is one of the better dynasty "buy low" opportunities out there right now. There is a perception out there that without Cutler the Broncos offense tooka huge step back. While it did take a step back, I dont think the step is as monumental as the perceived value loss for Marshall or Royal - particularly Royal who mostly ran the underneath routes, and will likely have the same role going forward. He has the speed and ability to get deep, but he shined underneath last year and I see no reason why he would not play the same role this year - which plays well to Orton's strength.

I"d go Royal - Avery.......Hester, but Royal is by NO means a "buy low" guy right now. In all of my dynasty leagues, the Royal owners are asking for a kings ransom to get rid of him and he just went 1.12 in one of my dynasty startup drafts.

Really? That is ridiculously and shockingly high IMO. 12 OVERALL? Seriously??? Even if Cutler had stayed, that seems ludicrous, but given his departure that is pure insanity. He is not even a top 12 WR IMO - forget about top 12 overall. Somebody went too heavy on the crack pipe.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Royal

Avery

Hester

I have Avery & Hester close together because:

a) we have already seen Hester featured as the WR1 with nobody at WR2 and he did ok; he should improve greatly w/ Jay.

b) Avery only exploded for 1 game... he showed flashed but StL is about to be stripped apart and rebuilt. How will he handle the WR1 role?

 

[Jason Wood]

I think Avery is the best receiver of the three, but when factoring in situation I probably give a slight edge to Royal. I would be giddy to have either on my dynasty rosters though, whereas I would have no real interest in Hester unless you got points for return yardage.

 

[Darker Knight]

Royal easily. Mcdaniels scheme will feature him, and you dont need Cutlers arm to get a ton of production out of that

I agree. I think Eddie Royal is one of the better dynasty "buy low" opportunities out there right now. There is a perception out there that without Cutler the Broncos offense tooka huge step back. While it did take a step back, I dont think the step is as monumental as the perceived value loss for Marshall or Royal - particularly Royal who mostly ran the underneath routes, and will likely have the same role going forward. He has the speed and ability to get deep, but he shined underneath last year and I see no reason why he would not play the same role this year - which plays well to Orton's strength.

I"d go Royal - Avery.......Hester, but Royal is by NO means a "buy low" guy right now. In all of my dynasty leagues, the Royal owners are asking for a kings ransom to get rid of him and he just went 1.12 in one of my dynasty startup drafts.

Really? That is ridiculously and shockingly high IMO. 12 OVERALL? Seriously??? Even if Cutler had stayed, that seems ludicrous, but given his departure that is pure insanity. He is not even a top 12 WR IMO - forget about top 12 overall. Somebody went too heavy on the crack pipe.

I like Royal(then Avery then Hester) the most in the group.....but 12th overall......Crazy party of one your table is ready.....

 

[Banger]

Just a general comment about rookie wr's...I remember someone posting an article or study over the past year or so showing how the leading rookie wr in a draft class rarely ends up being the best wr in the class for their career. So even though Royal had a good rookie year and led the class you should take that into consideration especially with a coaching change and more importantly a big QB downgrade.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Just a general comment about rookie wr's...I remember someone posting an article or study over the past year or so showing how the leading rookie wr in a draft class rarely ends up being the best wr in the class for their career. So even though Royal had a good rookie year and led the class you should take that into consideration especially with a coaching change and more importantly a big QB downgrade.

Agreed.I still think Royal will have a great career. And if nothing else, move him half way through the season when Marshall comes back, but after he's been doing all the WR work on his on for a while.

 

[Matt Waldman]

I'm not overly fond of any of them, but Royal runs he best routes right now. Avery has a chance to be Marvin Harrison-like, but I think that's a pretty high climb for him. Hester's a sneaky pick. I think he's worked on his game but now that he'll have a Pro Bowl QB to team with, we'll really see if he's willing to ramp up his effort to become more than an exciting novelty act. He's capable.

 

[The High Priest]

I think Hester with Cutler is going to be a steal this year. Although I didnt see a whole lot of Bear games , the ones I saw Hester seemed to always be open but the QB was late, or not enough arm.

 

[renesauz]

I think Hester with Cutler is going to be a steal this year. Although I didnt see a whole lot of Bear games , the ones I saw Hester seemed to always be open but the QB was late, or not enough arm.

Again, Hester may be #3 n the "who's better" race, but I think he's #1 in the "who's a better VALUE" race.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

RoyalAveryHester

concur

 

[TheWick]

Royal easily. Mcdaniels scheme will feature him, and you dont need Cutlers arm to get a ton of production out of that

I agree. I think Eddie Royal is one of the better dynasty "buy low" opportunities out there right now. There is a perception out there that without Cutler the Broncos offense tooka huge step back. While it did take a step back, I dont think the step is as monumental as the perceived value loss for Marshall or Royal - particularly Royal who mostly ran the underneath routes, and will likely have the same role going forward. He has the speed and ability to get deep, but he shined underneath last year and I see no reason why he would not play the same role this year - which plays well to Orton's strength.

I"d go Royal - Avery.......Hester, but Royal is by NO means a "buy low" guy right now. In all of my dynasty leagues, the Royal owners are asking for a kings ransom to get rid of him and he just went 1.12 in one of my dynasty startup drafts.

Really? That is ridiculously and shockingly high IMO. 12 OVERALL? Seriously??? Even if Cutler had stayed, that seems ludicrous, but given his departure that is pure insanity. He is not even a top 12 WR IMO - forget about top 12 overall. Somebody went too heavy on the crack pipe.

He's right around the top 10-15 WR taken in dynasty formats. Assuming he's going to take the "welker" role in the McDaniels offense wouldn't you want a young talented guy on a team that has a bad defense that should be good for about 150 targets for the next several years? There is some rish there for sure but in that range your looking at the Steve Smith, Welker, Boldin types he's younger than all of them and although the QB situation did get worse, I'm not sure it is that terrible. He had 91 catches last year in PPR he should be bottom tier WR1 worthy for years to come and that is where he is being drafted.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

Royal... Avery... ... Hester

Royal is polished. He is solidly built, strong for his size, good hands, good route runner, good speed. Highest floor, and probably highest ceiling. He has Marshall across from him, so he won't be getting the double teams. He will still get a lot of targets, though, and that makes him a safe pick.

Avery is faster, but I don't see WR1 when I watch him. I hope he is the real deal (I am a Rams fan), and I think he is NFL starting WR caliber, but he looks like a streaky guy in fantasy. He will be treated like a WR1 by opposing defenses, and I am not 100% confident he will excel without sufficient talent around him.

Hester is a speed merchant, but he is not a natural receiver. He isn't a natural hands catcher. He's not a good route runner at this point either. It's a WR screen or a bomb, not a lot of nuance in his game. When I see him play, I see Bernard Berrian upside. I think 100 or so yards is his ceiling, and he likely will not exceed 800 or so. You gotta like having Cutler in town, though, so he is worth having as a WR4 with upside. He is more valuable in survivor format where you don't have to bear through the 3 point games to reap the 20 point game or two reward Hester will have.

 

[jwb]

Royal easily. Mcdaniels scheme will feature him, and you dont need Cutlers arm to get a ton of production out of that

I agree. I think Eddie Royal is one of the better dynasty "buy low" opportunities out there right now. There is a perception out there that without Cutler the Broncos offense tooka huge step back. While it did take a step back, I dont think the step is as monumental as the perceived value loss for Marshall or Royal - particularly Royal who mostly ran the underneath routes, and will likely have the same role going forward. He has the speed and ability to get deep, but he shined underneath last year and I see no reason why he would not play the same role this year - which plays well to Orton's strength.

I"d go Royal - Avery.......Hester, but Royal is by NO means a "buy low" guy right now. In all of my dynasty leagues, the Royal owners are asking for a kings ransom to get rid of him and he just went 1.12 in one of my dynasty startup drafts.

Really? That is ridiculously and shockingly high IMO. 12 OVERALL? Seriously??? Even if Cutler had stayed, that seems ludicrous, but given his departure that is pure insanity. He is not even a top 12 WR IMO - forget about top 12 overall. Somebody went too heavy on the crack pipe.

Bourbon. Seriously though, I picked him there because I strongly feel that in five years time, he's still exactly where he is. 80-100 catches, good after-catch speed, etc. I think he's "Welker+". He passes the eye test as a seriously good, dependable WR. Yes, he's not Fitz/AJ, but Royal is not a flash in the pan. I could think of worse ways to spend my first round pick. Oh, and as far as the QB - I think Marshall takes the hit here, not Royal. Royal might actually benefit.

Wanna really throw up? I took Crabtree at 2.01 (Leaving Marshall, Boldin, Wayne, S Smith, and R White on the board)

 

[Kit Fisto]

I would be giddy to have either on my dynasty rosters though, whereas I would have no real interest in Hester unless you got points for return yardage.

Really? I won a championship with Hester in my starting lineup. And no, we don't get return yards. Picked him up off the waiver wire too.I saw him last year as a #4. He finished the year ranked #43. With the addition of Cutler, I'm picturing him as a mid to low-end #3 now. In most normal-sized fantasy leagues (12 teams), that puts him around #30-36. I'll take that on my dynasty team all day long. Any fantasy monkey can play Fitz, TO or Calvin. It's back-end guys like Hester that win you championships.

To someone else's point: Can't tell you how many times Hester was wiiiiiiiiide open deep only to have to come back to the ball, where he either got interfered with or the D-back made a play. With Cutler's arm replacing Orton's, I only see Hester's numbers going up. Not elite numbers, but certainly numbers to not turn your nose up at, Jason.

 

[Kit Fisto]

I think Hester with Cutler is going to be a steal this year. Although I didnt see a whole lot of Bear games , the ones I saw Hester seemed to always be open but the QB was late, or not enough arm.

Again, Hester may be #3 n the "who's better" race, but I think he's #1 in the "who's a better VALUE" race.

to you both.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Royal easily. Mcdaniels scheme will feature him, and you dont need Cutlers arm to get a ton of production out of that

I agree. I think Eddie Royal is one of the better dynasty "buy low" opportunities out there right now. There is a perception out there that without Cutler the Broncos offense tooka huge step back. While it did take a step back, I dont think the step is as monumental as the perceived value loss for Marshall or Royal - particularly Royal who mostly ran the underneath routes, and will likely have the same role going forward. He has the speed and ability to get deep, but he shined underneath last year and I see no reason why he would not play the same role this year - which plays well to Orton's strength.

I"d go Royal - Avery.......Hester, but Royal is by NO means a "buy low" guy right now. In all of my dynasty leagues, the Royal owners are asking for a kings ransom to get rid of him and he just went 1.12 in one of my dynasty startup drafts.

Really? That is ridiculously and shockingly high IMO. 12 OVERALL? Seriously??? Even if Cutler had stayed, that seems ludicrous, but given his departure that is pure insanity. He is not even a top 12 WR IMO - forget about top 12 overall. Somebody went too heavy on the crack pipe.

Bourbon. Seriously though, I picked him there because I strongly feel that in five years time, he's still exactly where he is. 80-100 catches, good after-catch speed, etc. I think he's "Welker+". He passes the eye test as a seriously good, dependable WR. Yes, he's not Fitz/AJ, but Royal is not a flash in the pan. I could think of worse ways to spend my first round pick. Oh, and as far as the QB - I think Marshall takes the hit here, not Royal. Royal might actually benefit.

Wanna really throw up? I took Crabtree at 2.01 (Leaving Marshall, Boldin, Wayne, S Smith, and R White on the board)

You were either born with a big brass package, or bourbon goes straight to your cajones.Crabtree over all those guys? Wow.

I hear you on Royal. I have him in my dynasty league, and I love the fact that I do. I had commented earlier that I though he was a great buy-low guy for all the reasons that you mentioned. He is even better in PPR (my league is not), however if he is going that early in start up drafts, then I stand corrected on the buy-low point. I see him as a 4th-6th round pick in a dynasty start-up myself. Probably somewhere in the WR15-25 range (non-PPR).