Who's the NL MVP? (1 Viewer)

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Personally, I was big on the Rollins bandwagon, and I think he's been the best player this year, and if they get into post season, I could see him doing it, but really, with that support on his team, 3 legit candidates, can he really win?

I've seen David Wright being prognasticated as "the leader" right now, and the 30-30 is nice, but he's not driving the engine.

Right now, all things being equal, make the playoffs or not to get that team to the last week with a shot, I go Prince Fielder as MVP. The final week could change things, but I don't get the Wright discussion. Great year but so many other more vital guys.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Voted Prince.

He's carrying the Brewers.

 

[Please See Mine]

If the Brewers win the division, Prince will probably get it.

If not, Wright is the leading candidate because the Mets have more or less been the best team all year and he has been the most consistent guy by far.

Delgado has been nowhere and Reyes and Beltran have been in and out.

 

[Darth Cheney]

J-Roll.......

 

[Please See Mine]

J-Roll.......

He really is the most deserving candidate on the team. Although for different month-long stretches or so, I'd say Utley, Howard or even Burrell was the MVP, Rollins has been the most consistent all year long.The problem is that the contributions of the rest of the team have been so good for significant portions of time, that it's hard to isolate him.

 

[wilked]

Prince

 

[Pnishthm]

J-Roll.......

He really is the most deserving candidate on the team. Although for different month-long stretches or so, I'd say Utley, Howard or even Burrell was the MVP, Rollins has been the most consistent all year long.The problem is that the contributions of the rest of the team have been so good for significant portions of time, that it's hard to isolate him.

To me this is easy.... Matt Holiday. I know the Rocks won't make the playoffs and this will likely be the reason he doesn't get it. But nobody has done more for their team than him. Nobody thought the Rockies would be where they are right now. I know Prince has had a great season, but he has had lots of help from guys like Braun and Hart and Hardy.

 

[guru_007]

Count me in the minority for sure....but I'll vote Byrnes. And while I'm sure he will not win the award, here is why I vote for him. He is head and shoulders the best offensive player on the best team (well at least the team with the best record) in the NL. And while his stats have declined in the second half, he is still the statistical leader by far on a division winner.

Prince Fielder has nice stats....but it's not as if he's alone on that team. Ryan Braun is their best hitter, and that offense has 5 guys in their lineup with 20+ hr's. By comparison, Arizona only has 1 (and the guy has 45 stolen bases this year too boot). Oh...and there is a good chance the Brewers will not even make the playoffs.

Same with the Mets. David Wright is having a great year....but Beltran's stats are very comparable (identical amount of hr's and rbi's while missing 20 or so games)...and the Mets also have this guy Jose Reyes who seems to score a lot, and Delgado isn't doing too bad either.

And forget about the Rollins talk. Come on, lineup that also has Chase Utley, Pat Burrell...oh and Ryan Howard? Rollins is solid, but I don't think he is an mvp. He isn't capable of carrying this team to the playoffs. Howard is going to end up with close to 140 rbi's, with 40+ hr's, and that's not even bring Utley into the conversation.

My ballot would be Byrnes, Holliday and Fielder in that order.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

J-Roll.......

He really is the most deserving candidate on the team. Although for different month-long stretches or so, I'd say Utley, Howard or even Burrell was the MVP, Rollins has been the most consistent all year long.The problem is that the contributions of the rest of the team have been so good for significant portions of time, that it's hard to isolate him.

To me this is easy.... Matt Holiday. I know the Rocks won't make the playoffs and this will likely be the reason he doesn't get it. But nobody has done more for their team than him. Nobody thought the Rockies would be where they are right now. I know Prince has had a great season, but he has had loys of help from guys like Braun and Hart and Hardy.

But Holliday has Hawpe, Helton and Tulowitzki. The home splits will kill him.

 

[oso diablo]

any MVP argument that uses team performance (ie, team has to make the playoffs) or teammates (he can't be MVP because there are other quality players on that team) drives me up the wall. Who has been the best player?

Think of it this way... if you could hold a draft, knowing precisely how each player is going to perform on the season, who would you pick first? You would consider position, but not salary. If you're not thinking of MVP that way, you're doing a disservice to the award.

Team performance is rewarded with playoff series.

 

[guru_007]

any MVP argument that uses team performance (ie, team has to make the playoffs) or teammates (he can't be MVP because there are other quality players on that team) drives me up the wall. Who has been the best player?Think of it this way... if you could hold a draft, knowing precisely how each player is going to perform on the season, who would you pick first? You would consider position, but not salary. If you're not thinking of MVP that way, you're doing a disservice to the award.Team performance is rewarded with playoff series.

care to offer an opinion on who you think has been the best player?

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

any MVP argument that uses team performance (ie, team has to make the playoffs) or teammates (he can't be MVP because there are other quality players on that team) drives me up the wall. Who has been the best player?Think of it this way... if you could hold a draft, knowing precisely how each player is going to perform on the season, who would you pick first? You would consider position, but not salary. If you're not thinking of MVP that way, you're doing a disservice to the award.Team performance is rewarded with playoff series.

You might want to acquaint yourself with the Hank Aaron award.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Since Howard won it last year when the Phillies missed the playoffs, Fielder's legitimacy should not depend on whether or not the Brewers make the playoffs.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

J-Roll.......

He really is the most deserving candidate on the team. Although for different month-long stretches or so, I'd say Utley, Howard or even Burrell was the MVP, Rollins has been the most consistent all year long.The problem is that the contributions of the rest of the team have been so good for significant portions of time, that it's hard to isolate him.

To me this is easy.... Matt Holiday. I know the Rocks won't make the playoffs and this will likely be the reason he doesn't get it. But nobody has done more for their team than him. Nobody thought the Rockies would be where they are right now. I know Prince has had a great season, but he has had loys of help from guys like Braun and Hart and Hardy.

But Holliday has Hawpe, Helton and Tulowitzki. The home splits will kill him.

I votred Holliday, but could get behind the Byrnes vote.

I'm glad to see him get some love, I included him in the poll but I haven't heard much mainsteam buzz about him. The best argument for him is the lack of support around him. That whole NL West is really just amazing right now, they all keep winning(except the Dodgers but they were playing the Rocks)

 

[Your Mother]

Another vote for Fatso.

The votes for Wright are the most understandable, given his great numbers in a bad park.

Matt Holliday's numbers are not as good as Tubby's, and he plays in a great hitters park.

Everyone who's discussing Byrnes should punch themselves in the face right now. When you get done, do some research on how little value stolen bases really have. Then ask yourself why you're touting a guy with a below-average HR/FB ratio, and the highest infield pop-up ratio in the league (it's not even close) for MVP, then punch yourself in the face again.

Eric Byrnes.

 

[Darth Cheney]

J-Roll...go ahead double. WALK THAT WALK BABY!!!!!!!!

 

[Snotbubbles]

Count me in the minority for sure....but I'll vote Byrnes. And while I'm sure he will not win the award, here is why I vote for him. He is head and shoulders the best offensive player on the best team (well at least the team with the best record) in the NL. And while his stats have declined in the second half, he is still the statistical leader by far on a division winner.Prince Fielder has nice stats....but it's not as if he's alone on that team. Ryan Braun is their best hitter, and that offense has 5 guys in their lineup with 20+ hr's. By comparison, Arizona only has 1 (and the guy has 45 stolen bases this year too boot). Oh...and there is a good chance the Brewers will not even make the playoffs. Same with the Mets. David Wright is having a great year....but Beltran's stats are very comparable (identical amount of hr's and rbi's while missing 20 or so games)...and the Mets also have this guy Jose Reyes who seems to score a lot, and Delgado isn't doing too bad either.And forget about the Rollins talk. Come on, lineup that also has Chase Utley, Pat Burrell...oh and Ryan Howard? Rollins is solid, but I don't think he is an mvp. He isn't capable of carrying this team to the playoffs. Howard is going to end up with close to 140 rbi's, with 40+ hr's, and that's not even bring Utley into the conversation.My ballot would be Byrnes, Holliday and Fielder in that order.

So you're saying the only way you can win an MVP is if there is nobody on the team as good as you?While I agree that Chase Utley may be the best hitter on the Phillies, Ryan Howard has the most power and Pat Burrell has been the hottest, Jimmy Rollins is the MVP on that team. Jimmy Rollins is the Phillies best all around player. He can hit for power, he can hit for average, he can steal bases and he should win a gold glove this year for his defense. You can't say that about Utley, Howard or Burrell.

 

[the moops]

Since Howard won it last year when the Phillies missed the playoffs, Fielder's legitimacy should not depend on whether or not the Brewers make the playoffs.

Ryan Howard had a far superior year to the year that Fielder is having this year.More hits, walks, homeruns, RBI, better BA, OBP, SLG, OPS+, etc.Your point may stand that Prince can get the award even if the Brewers don't make the playoffs, but the comparison to Howard falls a little short.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

I voted Peavy. Would have no problem with Fielder, Wright, Rollins or utley.

 

[the moops]

Another vote for Fatso.The votes for Wright are the most understandable, given his great numbers in a bad park.Matt Holliday's numbers are not as good as Tubby's, and he plays in a great hitters park.Everyone who's discussing Byrnes should punch themselves in the face right now. When you get done, do some research on how little value stolen bases really have. Then ask yourself why you're touting a guy with a below-average HR/FB ratio, and the highest infield pop-up ratio in the league (it's not even close) for MVP, then punch yourself in the face again.Eric Byrnes.

Holliday has more hits, RBI, extra base hits, runs, total bases, a better BA, OBP, identical SLG. He has less HRs and hits in a more friendly park no doubt. But, he is every bit an MVP candidate that Fielder is IMO.

 

[oso diablo]

any MVP argument that uses team performance (ie, team has to make the playoffs) or teammates (he can't be MVP because there are other quality players on that team) drives me up the wall. Who has been the best player?Think of it this way... if you could hold a draft, knowing precisely how each player is going to perform on the season, who would you pick first? You would consider position, but not salary. If you're not thinking of MVP that way, you're doing a disservice to the award.Team performance is rewarded with playoff series.

You might want to acquaint yourself with the Hank Aaron award.

MVP is the award with the history and cache. Don't muck it up.

 

[Wrigley]

ARam down?

 

[the moops]

ARam down?

Yes.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

any MVP argument that uses team performance (ie, team has to make the playoffs) or teammates (he can't be MVP because there are other quality players on that team) drives me up the wall. Who has been the best player?Think of it this way... if you could hold a draft, knowing precisely how each player is going to perform on the season, who would you pick first? You would consider position, but not salary. If you're not thinking of MVP that way, you're doing a disservice to the award.Team performance is rewarded with playoff series.

You might want to acquaint yourself with the Hank Aaron award.

MVP is the award with the history and cache. Don't muck it up.

Don't hate the player

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Prince with 50 jacks, I think he takes it down whether the Phillies or Brewers get in.

 

[posty]

I would go with Jimmy Rollins...

Career highs in HR, RBI, BA, Slugging, Runs, Hits, triples...

Will probably start in all 162 games at SS, which doesn't happen very often...

He must have found some good steroids...

 

[Colin Dowling]

Holiday

Rollins

Fielder

 

[shadyridr]

Talking to my 2 friends who are Mets fans, they thought Wright was a lock. I was actually quite befuddled by this. I thought Prince would get it. Made a nice little bet with them.

 

[shadyridr]

Oh BTW there argument was if the Brewers dont make the playoffs itll be Wright. I said:

Who won the MVP last year? Howard

Did the Phillies make the playoffs last year? No but Howard had sick numbers

Pujols had better numbers but they gave it to the HR champ. Case closed

Yeah I was a bit cocky but whatever

 

[Snotbubbles]

Oh BTW there argument was if the Brewers dont make the playoffs itll be Wright. I said:Who won the MVP last year? HowardDid the Phillies make the playoffs last year? No but Howard had sick numbersPujols had better numbers but they gave it to the HR champ. Case closedYeah I was a bit cocky but whatever

The Phillies won more games then the Cards in 2006. The fact that they didn't make the playoffs and STL did should be irrelevant.

 

[ooofffaaa]

Current stats:

Avg - .322

OBP - .414

Runs - 108

HR's - 30

RBI's - 105

SB - 34

He’s the definition of well-rounded. Has also had some big hits for the Mets in the month of September.

David Wright is on pace to be the first player in the history of baseball to hit at least .300, with a .385 OBP, along with 30 HR, 35 SB, 110 runs scored, 110 RBI, and 35 doubles.

Also the 4th youngest member of the 30-30 club. Only Arod, Bobby Bonds & Jose Canseco reached the 30-30 club at an earlier age than David Wright.

He's easily my choice but I'm a homer.

The future captain of the Mets is coming along nicely.

 

[posty]

Chipper Jones needs to get some consideration as well...

.340 BA - leads the NL

.428 OBP

.608 SLG

1.035 OPS - leads the NL

28 HR

100 RBI

104 Runs

41 doubles

All in 129 games... Would be sick numbers if he had 25 more games played...

 

[Snotbubbles]

Current stats:

Avg - .322

OBP - .414

Runs - 108

HR's - 30

RBI's - 105

SB - 34

He’s the definition of well-rounded. Has also had some big hits for the Mets in the month of September.

David Wright is on pace to be the first player in the history of baseball to hit at least .300, with a .385 OBP, along with 30 HR, 35 SB, 110 runs scored, 110 RBI, and 35 doubles.

Also the 4th youngest member of the 30-30 club. Only Arod, Bobby Bonds & Jose Canseco reached the 30-30 club at an earlier age than David Wright.

He's easily my choice but I'm a homer.

The future captain of the Mets is coming along nicely.

He's a stat sheet filler. Don't forget his 21 errors. That puts him 9th in the majors.

 

[shadyridr]

Oh BTW there argument was if the Brewers dont make the playoffs itll be Wright. I said:Who won the MVP last year? HowardDid the Phillies make the playoffs last year? No but Howard had sick numbersPujols had better numbers but they gave it to the HR champ. Case closedYeah I was a bit cocky but whatever

The Phillies won more games then the Cards in 2006. The fact that they didn't make the playoffs and STL did should be irrelevant.

Umm yeah, exactly my point to the Mets fans

 

[Snotbubbles]

Oh BTW there argument was if the Brewers dont make the playoffs itll be Wright. I said:Who won the MVP last year? HowardDid the Phillies make the playoffs last year? No but Howard had sick numbersPujols had better numbers but they gave it to the HR champ. Case closedYeah I was a bit cocky but whatever

The Phillies won more games then the Cards in 2006. The fact that they didn't make the playoffs and STL did should be irrelevant.

Umm yeah, exactly my point to the Mets fans

Not following you. Last year, if you compared Pujols and Howard you can't use the argument that Howard shouldn't get it over Pujols because Howards team didn't get to the playoffs and Pujols did, is irrelevant IN THAT CASE, because Howards team won more games than Pujols team, yet Pujols team made the playoffs because they played in a weaker division.That doesn't follow here. The Mets will/should win more games than the Brewers. The Mets aren't making the playoffs by the simple fact that the other teams in their division were really bad.

 

[shadyridr]

Oh BTW there argument was if the Brewers dont make the playoffs itll be Wright. I said:Who won the MVP last year? HowardDid the Phillies make the playoffs last year? No but Howard had sick numbersPujols had better numbers but they gave it to the HR champ. Case closedYeah I was a bit cocky but whatever

The Phillies won more games then the Cards in 2006. The fact that they didn't make the playoffs and STL did should be irrelevant.

Umm yeah, exactly my point to the Mets fans

Not following you. Last year, if you compared Pujols and Howard you can't use the argument that Howard shouldn't get it over Pujols because Howards team didn't get to the playoffs and Pujols did, is irrelevant IN THAT CASE, because Howards team won more games than Pujols team, yet Pujols team made the playoffs because they played in a weaker division.That doesn't follow here. The Mets will/should win more games than the Brewers. The Mets aren't making the playoffs by the simple fact that the other teams in their division were really bad.

My point to the Mets fan was, last year Howard won the MVP and the team didnt make the playoffs, so whether the Brew Crew make the playoffs or not is irrelevant.

 

[Darth Cheney]

My view..... if the Phils make it....it's J-Rolls. If the Phils don't....it goes to Wright.

J-Roll....best SS in the East.

 

[Snotbubbles]

My view..... if the Phils make it....it's J-Rolls. If the Phils don't....it goes to Wright. J-Roll....best SS in the East.

Needs 1 more 3b to get to the 20 2bs, 3bs, HRs, SBs.J-Rolls stats:Games: 158Hits: 207Runs: 135Avg: .2962b: 383b: 19HR: 30RBI: 91SB: 37Plus, possibly add a Gold Glove to the mix. Amazing RBI stats for a leadoff man. Plus he leads the league in runs scored.

 

[posty]

From the Nations Newspaper...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/20...-mvp-race_N.htm

PHILADELPHIA — The Atlanta Braves' Bobby Cox hopes his third baseman, Chipper Jones, wins the National League Most Valuable Player award, but not simply because the manager is loyal.

"I think it's absolutely the case that the MVP will be decided by this race," Cox said of the wild eight-team scramble for the NL's four playoff spots.

The Braves have won 13 of their last 18 games, a stretch in which Jones hit .420 (29-for-69) to take the league batting lead at .339. But the MVP derby can shift as quickly as the playoff race; Jones committed a key error Wednesday as the Philadelphia Phillies beat the Braves 5-2. The Phillies are one of several teams with players pushing their squads toward the postseason:

•Colorado Rockies outfielder Matt Holliday is the top player on the league's hottest team. The Rockies won their 10th in a row Wednesday and are one game from the wild-card-leading San Diego Padres. Holliday is one point behind Jones in the batting race and leads the league with 132 RBI.

•Prince Fielder became the youngest with a 50-homer season when the 23-year-old first baseman hit his 49th and 50th against the St. Louis Cardinals on Tuesday as the Milwaukee Brewers drew two games from the Central-leading Chicago Cubs. They couldn't gain ground Wednesday as Fielder walked twice and was hit by a pitch in a 7-3 loss to St. Louis.

•The Phillies, a game behind the New York Mets in the NL East, have three strong candidates in first baseman Ryan Howard (second in the NL in home runs and RBI), second baseman Chase Utley (third in batting) and shortstop Jimmy Rollins, who had three hits and scored his league-leading 135th run Wednesday.

"Holliday's had a great year," Cox says, "but when you add defense, you have to give a lot of consideration to Rollins."

The MVP door could also open for Mets third baseman David Wright, who heads to the final four games with a .321 batting average, 30 home runs and 105 RBI.

 

[RedRaiders]

Rollins is disgusting - 30 HR, 135 Runs, 30+ stolen bases. Probably 20 triples by now.

 

[wilked]

Rollins should win

 

[Ghost Rider]

Last year, if you compared Pujols and Howard you can't use the argument that Howard shouldn't get it over Pujols because Howards team didn't get to the playoffs and Pujols did, is irrelevant IN THAT CASE, because Howards team won more games than Pujols team, yet Pujols team made the playoffs because they played in a weaker division.

That argument doesn't work because the Cardinals all but had the division title locked up with two weeks to go last year (although they did almost blow it), and you could tell they put it in neutral, unlike the Phillies, who were battling for a spot until the last day. Had the Cardinals been doing the same (going all out to win every game), they probably would have won a few more games. Bottom line, Howard won the MVP last year on a non-playoff team, so there is no reason why Fiedler cannot do the same this year.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Last year, if you compared Pujols and Howard you can't use the argument that Howard shouldn't get it over Pujols because Howards team didn't get to the playoffs and Pujols did, is irrelevant IN THAT CASE, because Howards team won more games than Pujols team, yet Pujols team made the playoffs because they played in a weaker division.

That argument doesn't work because the Cardinals all but had the division title locked up with two weeks to go last year (although they did almost blow it), and you could tell they put it in neutral, unlike the Phillies, who were battling for a spot until the last day. Had the Cardinals been doing the same (going all out to win every game), they probably would have won a few more games. Bottom line, Howard won the MVP last year on a non-playoff team, so there is no reason why Fiedler cannot do the same this year.

How can you tell that?Did they put it in neutral like the Mets this season?Bottom line, the Phils won more games than the Cards last year.

 

[Darth Cheney]

I continually have this argument with a buddy from St. Louis about Pujols/Howard last year. Pujols had the numbers to win...Howard really only beat him in HR's, RBI's and BB. IMO the reasons Howard won were:

His numbers were good enough

Pujols numbers weren't as good as he usually is. That gives a false impression that he had a bad year.

Most importantly, Ryan Howard was the face of Sports Center for the last half of the summer. Howard had herculean blasts, walkoff HR's, clutch hits. He was bigger than life. That type of stuff resonates in the mind of the fans and the voters. That's why I think J-Roll will win if the Phils get in. Rollins set him self up for a potential disaster when he called the Mets out at the beginning of the year. That the Phils are still in the race, that Rollins is the main catalyst on that team, that he has put up some great numbers and backed up his boast, and that he has been healthy the whole year for a team that has to have lost more man games to injury than any other in the MLB this year are the reasons he will win it. Rollins has panache and he has "it".

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Prince with 50 jacks, I think he takes it down whether the Phillies or Brewers get in.

Mulligan, if the Phils pull this out and J-Ro keeps on keepin on, I think he wins and deserves it. What a damn race!

 

[the Boz]

I was at the Phillies game Wednesday night. After Rollins hit his triple in the first inning, they posted a stat on the jumbotron that he was the first player in MLB history with 200 hits, 20 triples and 30 hr's in the same season. The stat may have also included 100 runs as well.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I was at the Phillies game Wednesday night. After Rollins hit his triple in the first inning, they posted a stat on the jumbotron that he was the first player in MLB history with 200 hits, 20 triples and 30 hr's in the same season. The stat may have also included 100 runs as well.

Rollins only has 19 triples.

 

[the Boz]

I thought that was his 20th on Wednesday. Maybe the stat they used was 15 triples. Still an interesting stat if it's true.

 

[delusional]

Wright is leading MVP because he plays in NY. You know that media adds +20 to all their players.

Thats why I say if Rollins or Utley played for either New York team, they would be considered HOFers already.

I don't think Rollins will get it. The guy gets snubbed nearly every year for a Gold Glove, I can't imagine him being voted MVP. Same with Utley. He missed a month and has still put up wicked ### numbers ( Howard also even ) 200 hits would have been a mark for Utley had he not missed that month, along with 120+ RBIs. Howard on the other hand, probably 225Ks but at the same time would have hit maybe 10 more HRs and 15-20 more RBIS. He would have had 50+ HRs and 150ish RBIs...that is sick.

Yet while they were out Rollins put the team on his back.

Hell just give it to the Phillies period.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Anyone want a re-vote?

Give it to Holliday!