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Who's The Saints' #2 WR ? (1 Viewer)

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I didn't get to watch the game so I'm not sure who mainly lined up opposite Colston however it does look like

Henderson got 8 targets to lead the team whicle Moore only got 3.

 
I always thought Moore was overrated. ADP was waaaay too inflated this year. It wouldn't surprise me if both Henderson & Meachem have better seasons than Moore.

 
Problem with NO from a WR 2 standpoint, is Brees has multiple options on very play-- so he jsut goes with whoever is open.. it creates huge inconsistency among his WR's... he doesn't play favourites...

 
Meacham, Henderson, Moore, Shockey, even Bush.

Flip a 5 sided die every week to see who will be the #2 receiving option each week.

It doesn't matter who is officially listed as #2 on their depth chart. Brees spreads it around and does it well. Someone different (or in the case of last week, all of them) will blow up each week.

 
Meacham, Henderson, Moore, Shockey, even Bush.Flip a 5 sided die every week to see who will be the #2 receiving option each week.It doesn't matter who is officially listed as #2 on their depth chart. Brees spreads it around and does it well. Someone different (or in the case of last week, all of them) will blow up each week.
The only guy I want to rely on is Colston. He gets his no matter what. Moore is best suited to the slot. That being said, they use three and four receiver sets alot and Brees goes to the open man. So, a third WR can put up good numbers and a fourth WR like Meachem can put up a good game now and then too.
 
Devery does this every year. He's good for a few breakout games and a long TD every now and then (and an occasional reverse to boot), but his hands have always killed him.

 
It's true that Brees spreads it around to whoever is open, but here's another way to look at the situation. This came from Payton's presser. He broke down the snaps played, like this

Colston 45

Henderson 43

Moore 23

Meachem 29 (Meach was returning kicks too btw, so those #'s would be included here)

Afterwards he said something pretty close to, "We have to look at the balance of how we use those 4 players, with different skill sets. Are we getting Meachem enough snaps?" He didn't mention Lance Moore.

Draw your own conclusions- but in the Detroit game anyway- Moore was on the field less than the other WRs.

EDIT: Oops, I see that MiniBears beat me to it.

 
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Devery does this every year. He's good for a few breakout games and a long TD every now and then (and an occasional reverse to boot), but his hands have always killed him.
Believe it or not, past performance does not guarantee future results each NFL season.New season, buckle up.
 
Devery does this every year. He's good for a few breakout games and a long TD every now and then (and an occasional reverse to boot), but his hands have always killed him.
Believe it or not, past performance does not guarantee future results each NFL season.New season, buckle up.
Right you are. Past performance does not guarantee future results, it only helps you predict them.
 
In a start 3 WR, reasonably deep league, it would be an interesting strategy to pair up Henderson and Meachem with your #1 WR. If you are strong at most other positions but weak at WR, I think this could be a pretty strong play. Perhaps deserves its own thread.

 
Moore was targetted once in the endzone but he was doubled up and it was knocked down. I was also disappointed in his appearance as the 7th receiving option in targets.

 
Brees reads his progressions and throws to the open man. It doesn't matter who is what # wr if the other guy gets open first. From game to game this will change.

 
Brees reads his progressions and throws to the open man. It doesn't matter who is what # wr if the other guy gets open first. From game to game this will change.
If Moore is on the field half the time than Henderson the #4 matters. Gotta be on the field to get open.
 
It's true that Brees spreads it around to whoever is open, but here's another way to look at the situation. This came from Payton's presser. He broke down the snaps played, like thisColston 45Henderson 43Moore 23Meachem 29 (Meach was returning kicks too btw, so those #'s would be included here)Afterwards he said something pretty close to, "We have to look at the balance of how we use those 4 players, with different skill sets. Are we getting Meachem enough snaps?" He didn't mention Lance Moore.Draw your own conclusions- but in the Detroit game anyway- Moore was on the field less than the other WRs.EDIT: Oops, I see that MiniBears beat me to it.
Thanks for the info fellas, do the teams release this info and are they anywhere on the nets? This is more important than targets. As a Moore owner, I am not pleased at all with these numbers, it looks like I will be auditioning some WR's for my 3rd slot. Do any Saints homers know if he's in the dog house, or does the staff like Devery better?
 
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Thanks for the info fellas, do the teams release this info and are they anywhere on the nets? This is more important than targets. As a Moore owner, I am not pleased at all with these numbers, it looks like I will be auditioning some WR's for my 3rd slot. Do any Saints homers know if he's in the dog house, or does the staff like Devery better?
You're overreacting, I think. Moore had been out much of the preseason with the shoulder injury. He as healthy to play doesn't mean he's ready for every snap. He's being brought along slowly.
 
It's true that Brees spreads it around to whoever is open, but here's another way to look at the situation. This came from Payton's presser. He broke down the snaps played, like thisColston 45Henderson 43Moore 23Meachem 29 (Meach was returning kicks too btw, so those #'s would be included here)Afterwards he said something pretty close to, "We have to look at the balance of how we use those 4 players, with different skill sets. Are we getting Meachem enough snaps?" He didn't mention Lance Moore.Draw your own conclusions- but in the Detroit game anyway- Moore was on the field less than the other WRs.EDIT: Oops, I see that MiniBears beat me to it.
Thanks for the info fellas, do the teams release this info and are they anywhere on the nets? This is more important than targets. As a Moore owner, I am not pleased at all with these numbers, it looks like I will be auditioning some WR's for my 3rd slot. Do any Saints homers know if he's in the dog house, or does the staff like Devery better?
Sean Payton referred to the numbers himself in his presser. If you ask me the person who should concern you as a Moore owner is Jeremy Shockey - if he continues to play well, it will be him that takes most of the looks that Lance Moore used to get in the middle of the field. Moore and Devery are very different receivers - Moore is shifty, plays well out of the slot and has good hands, while Devery is taller and faster than heck, but has very suspect hands. I don't think it's a matter of staff liking one over the other, I think it's a matter of whether the staff feels the need to stretch the field, work underneath or run the ball. Also keep in mind that Devery is a better blocker than Lance Moore - since they were running the ball so much that probably skewed snaps in his favor.
 
Shockey is the other REC to own in that offense. Career year.
I have said this in multiple threads. Now people are seeing it. he was hurt all last season and now he is 100% healthy. I we all know Brees loves TE's stemming from his days with the Chargers and Gates. Shockey is going to be Top 3 this year.
 
Shockey is the other REC to own in that offense. Career year.
I have said this in multiple threads. Now people are seeing it. he was hurt all last season and now he is 100% healthy. I we all know Brees loves TE's stemming from his days with the Chargers and Gates. Shockey is going to be Top 3 this year.
The injury to Billy Miller will boost Shockey's numbers more than those other factors. Before that, Shockey and Miller were in line to share the pie much the way the WRs do.
 
Shockey is the other REC to own in that offense. Career year.
I have said this in multiple threads. Now people are seeing it. he was hurt all last season and now he is 100% healthy. I we all know Brees loves TE's stemming from his days with the Chargers and Gates. Shockey is going to be Top 3 this year.
The injury to Billy Miller will boost Shockey's numbers more than those other factors. Before that, Shockey and Miller were in line to share the pie much the way the WRs do.
until he gets hurt again
 
Bump for more thoughts on Moore. Was they just letting him shake off the rust?
It's pretty clear to me - Henderson starts opposite Colston, and Moore plays the slot. However, as the season progresses I expect Meachem to take a lot of targets away from Moore and to keep Moore on the bench for some 3 WR sets. Those who doubt Henderson or Meachem are in denial. DH has progressed to the point where the coaches & Brees feel comfortable enough for him to be starting, not to mention he can stretch the field as well as anyone they have. Moore owners are in for a long year IMO. He'll have some decent weeks, but I'd be shocked if he outproduced Henderson or Meachem by years end.
 
For comparison, last year Moore was highly productive in weeks 10, 11 and 12 (19 grabs, 290 yds, 4 td). Heres the breakdown on snaps...

Week 10...Colston 55, Moore 45, Hendo 63

Week 11...Colston 46, Moore 25, Hendo 37

Week 12...Colston 65, Moore 39, Hendo 64

I don't know if you can draw any firm conclusions on Moore based on snap count or targets in Week 1 other than he won't get 10 targets a game every game. For that matter, I don't think any conclusions can be drawn on Henderson either...last year he had the most snaps of any WR, and a couple huge games, but was otherwise very inconsistent. I suspect that trend continues.

 
Bump for more thoughts on Moore. Was they just letting him shake off the rust?
It's pretty clear to me - Henderson starts opposite Colston, and Moore plays the slot. However, as the season progresses I expect Meachem to take a lot of targets away from Moore and to keep Moore on the bench for some 3 WR sets. Those who doubt Henderson or Meachem are in denial. DH has progressed to the point where the coaches & Brees feel comfortable enough for him to be starting, not to mention he can stretch the field as well as anyone they have. Moore owners are in for a long year IMO. He'll have some decent weeks, but I'd be shocked if he outproduced Henderson or Meachem by years end.
Where were you when I drafted Moore over Henderson and Meachem? :lol:
 
Who is the #1 WR on the Saints? Not sure Colston will get the looks most #1 wRs get with Brees spreading it around.

 
Bump for more thoughts on Moore. Was they just letting him shake off the rust?
It's pretty clear to me - Henderson starts opposite Colston, and Moore plays the slot. However, as the season progresses I expect Meachem to take a lot of targets away from Moore and to keep Moore on the bench for some 3 WR sets. Those who doubt Henderson or Meachem are in denial. DH has progressed to the point where the coaches & Brees feel comfortable enough for him to be starting, not to mention he can stretch the field as well as anyone they have. Moore owners are in for a long year IMO. He'll have some decent weeks, but I'd be shocked if he outproduced Henderson or Meachem by years end.
i think it is really more a case that meachem will be starting over henderson. neither player is a good fit for the slot, while moore is tailor made for that role. devery and meach are very similar players but for the fact that meach seems to have better hands. i guess they could try colston in the slot with meach and devery on either side of him but that's an experiment that has yet to take place.
 
Who is the #1 WR on the Saints? Not sure Colston will get the looks most #1 wRs get with Brees spreading it around.
Colston won't be the most productive, or even most targeted, WR every single week, but he plays the most, and will put up the best overall numbers for the season, barring injuries. The others will have some big weeks, but will probably also have weeks where they do almost nothing.
 
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Bump for more thoughts on Moore. Was they just letting him shake off the rust?
It's pretty clear to me - Henderson starts opposite Colston, and Moore plays the slot. However, as the season progresses I expect Meachem to take a lot of targets away from Moore and to keep Moore on the bench for some 3 WR sets. Those who doubt Henderson or Meachem are in denial. DH has progressed to the point where the coaches & Brees feel comfortable enough for him to be starting, not to mention he can stretch the field as well as anyone they have. Moore owners are in for a long year IMO. He'll have some decent weeks, but I'd be shocked if he outproduced Henderson or Meachem by years end.
Where were you when I drafted Moore over Henderson and Meachem? :blackdot:
Not sure where he was, but a few of us were saying that Meachem would be better than Moore some weeks before the season. :goodposting:Moore might be knocking off some rust, but I just wonder if he opened the door a little too wide for Henderson and Meachem.
 
Moore might be knocking off some rust, but I just wonder if he opened the door a little too wide for Henderson and Meachem.
my friends and i were joking that last week's game was the one game every year that devery looks fantastic. it seems like every year he has one or two games where he looks unstoppable but will disappear for weeks in between.
 
It's true that Brees spreads it around to whoever is open, but here's another way to look at the situation. This came from Payton's presser. He broke down the snaps played, like thisColston 45Henderson 43Moore 23Meachem 29 (Meach was returning kicks too btw, so those #'s would be included here)Afterwards he said something pretty close to, "We have to look at the balance of how we use those 4 players, with different skill sets. Are we getting Meachem enough snaps?" He didn't mention Lance Moore.Draw your own conclusions- but in the Detroit game anyway- Moore was on the field less than the other WRs.EDIT: Oops, I see that MiniBears beat me to it.
Interesting quote: so from this it sounds like Meachem may get more action.
 
For comparison, last year Moore was highly productive in weeks 10, 11 and 12 (19 grabs, 290 yds, 4 td). Heres the breakdown on snaps...Week 10...Colston 55, Moore 45, Hendo 63Week 11...Colston 46, Moore 25, Hendo 37Week 12...Colston 65, Moore 39, Hendo 64I don't know if you can draw any firm conclusions on Moore based on snap count or targets in Week 1 other than he won't get 10 targets a game every game. For that matter, I don't think any conclusions can be drawn on Henderson either...last year he had the most snaps of any WR, and a couple huge games, but was otherwise very inconsistent. I suspect that trend continues.
Where do you get the snaps data??
 
Who is the #1 WR on the Saints? Not sure Colston will get the looks most #1 wRs get with Brees spreading it around.
Colston is the #1. He's on the field the most, he's first or 2nd in read progression, and he's the biggest and most talented. He wasn't running very crisp routes in week 1 though, and that does bother me.
 
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The Saints use multi receiver formations all the time, including using Bush on the outside and throw Shockey in there also. So if you want consistency, you have to look for the talent. Bush and Colston should catch the most passes. Meachem could yet develop into a star but I wouldnt count on it. Everyone else gets all these big games simply because the Saints throw the ball so much and so well. The defense has to give up something when you have Bush out of the backfield, Shockey as your TE, and are throwing 3 or 4 WRs in there also. The defense determines who gets the targets.

 

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