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Who's worth more, Culpepper or Cutler? (1 Viewer)

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Not to say that he'll even be there since everyone is supposedly riding Cutler's **** these days.... but...

If you are the Dolphins' GM.... do you give up a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Culpepper and his contract, or do you give up a 1st rounder for a QB.

As a comparison, both will probably have similar contracts (dont have any numbers on hand and need to go in a minute, just wanted to bring this up)

And both will almost certainly sit out the first year with the team.

So, who would you rather have? A 7 year veteran who has 3 years in your system or a rookie QB who is unproven but maybe an equally talented prospect?

I think it's safe to say Culpepper can probably play at least 3-4 more years in the NFL at a high level, so this would be shoring up the idea that a veteran QB like him would be a "temp fix". Frerotte, by comparison is going in his 13th.

 
also, why do we not include contract size , cap hit, and contract length in these discussions?

Sure, the pick might be the same, but the contract will not. Same goes for Edge/Alexander for a 2nd. Sure they are better than a player picked in the 2nd round. But, now factor in the contract. Is it still worth it? Most teams think not.

 
He won't be there, so they'd have to trade up anyway probably giving up the 2nd rounder that it would take to get Daunte. So why not get Daunte and still have your 1st round pick?

Jets or Det will probably take him

 
He won't be there, so they'd have to trade up anyway probably giving up the 2nd rounder that it would take to get Daunte. So why not get Daunte and still have your 1st round pick?

Jets or Det will probably take him
Hopefully not Detroit. Cutler reminds me of Boller/Losman. Rather have Joey :eek:
 
Seems to me like Linehan wants Daunte.... if he has to use Frerotte another year, he'd rather take him.

In response to the contract..... they CPep would be a little more.... but you're getting a proven commodity versus a guy from Vandy that is being hella-hyped... and may not be able to live up to it. He looks like another Losman to me

 
Seems to me like Linehan wants Daunte.... if he has to use Frerotte another year, he'd rather take him.

In response to the contract..... they CPep would be a little more.... but you're getting a proven commodity versus a guy from Vandy that is being hella-hyped... and may not be able to live up to it. He looks like another Losman to me
:coffee: You do know that Linehan is now the Rams HC.
 
Not to say that he'll even be there since everyone is supposedly riding Cutler's **** these days.... but...

If you are the Dolphins' GM.... do you give up a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Culpepper and his contract, or do you give up a 1st rounder for a QB.

As a comparison, both will probably have similar contracts (dont have any numbers on hand and need to go in a minute, just wanted to bring this up)

And both will almost certainly sit out the first year with the team.

So, who would you rather have? A 7 year veteran who has 3 years in your system or a rookie QB who is unproven but maybe an equally talented prospect?

I think it's safe to say Culpepper can probably play at least 3-4 more years in the NFL at a high level, so this would be shoring up the idea that a veteran QB like him would be a "temp fix". Frerotte, by comparison is going in his 13th.
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Not to say that he'll even be there since everyone is supposedly riding Cutler's **** these days.... but...

If you are the Dolphins' GM.... do you give up a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Culpepper and his contract, or do you give up a 1st rounder for a QB.

As a comparison, both will probably have similar contracts (dont have any numbers on hand and need to go in a minute, just wanted to bring this up)

And both will almost certainly sit out the first year with the team.

So, who would you rather have? A 7 year veteran who has 3 years in your system or a rookie QB who is unproven but maybe an equally talented prospect?

I think it's safe to say Culpepper can probably play at least 3-4 more years in the NFL at a high level, so this would be shoring up the idea that a veteran QB like him would be a "temp fix". Frerotte, by comparison is going in his 13th.
Thats not even closeHeres what the 16th pick got last year:

(Travis)Johnson will sign a five-year, $10.2 million contract that includes guaranteed bonuses of $7.77 million. The former Florida State standout was the 16th overall prospect selected in the 2005 draft. He is the 11th first-rounder to reach contract terms.

Culpepper is owed the following:

2006 2000000.00

2007 5500000.00

2008 6000000.00

2009 6000000.00

2010 7000000.00

2011 8000000.00

2012 9000000.00

2013 10000000.00

PLUS he is due $6mil in the form of a roster bonus this spring AND he is seeking to renegotiate this deal AND he is coming back from a major knee injury that while its projected he'll return sometime in 2006, there are no guarantees against future problems.

 
Seems to me like Linehan wants Daunte.... if he has to use Frerotte another year, he'd rather take him.

In response to the contract..... they CPep would be a little more.... but you're getting a proven commodity versus a guy from Vandy that is being hella-hyped... and may not be able to live up to it.  He looks like another Losman to me
:coffee: You do know that Linehan is now the Rams HC.
Maybe he thinks Culpepper played for the Bills last year?Really...Im not joking.

 
Daunte wants a new contract and we are not sure what he would want from a team other than the Vikings. I suspect he is asking for the house in Minnesota to force a trade, he may settle for less if he was traded to the Dolphins. This is all probably being discussed behind closed doors.

 
Seems to me like Linehan wants Daunte.... if he has to use Frerotte another year, he'd rather take him.

In response to the contract..... they CPep would be a little more.... but you're getting a proven commodity versus a guy from Vandy that is being hella-hyped... and may not be able to live up to it.  He looks like another Losman to me
:coffee: You do know that Linehan is now the Rams HC.
LOL! Yeah forgot about that... I guess this thread is moot.... they aren't going to trade for him. I think I'll join the Sign Drew Brees fan club.
 
Seems to me like Linehan wants Daunte.... if he has to use Frerotte another year, he'd rather take him.

In response to the contract..... they CPep would be a little more.... but you're getting a proven commodity versus a guy from Vandy that is being hella-hyped... and may not be able to live up to it.  He looks like another Losman to me
:coffee: You do know that Linehan is now the Rams HC.
Maybe he thinks Culpepper played for the Bills last year?Really...Im not joking.
Why do you have to be such a big ####### to everyone? Obviously it was a slip in logic.... need you go around trying to prove your unparalleled mass of football knowledge by trying to disquantify whatever you can in as few words as possible? I realize you've been around here for a long time, but come on. People like you really piss me off sometimes. If you want to participate in a discussion of some sort, that's cool.... but if you're just going to be an #######, stay out of my threads, thanks.
 
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If the Jets stay at 1.4 or move down a few spots, they will likely select Cutler
That's what I heard somewhere..... that they have been targeting Cutler. Seems to hold more water now that it looks like Pennington is out the door.
 
Not to say that he'll even be there since everyone is supposedly riding Cutler's **** these days.... but...

If you are the Dolphins' GM.... do you give up a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Culpepper and his contract, or do you give up a 1st rounder for a QB.

As a comparison, both will probably have similar contracts (dont have any numbers on hand and need to go in a minute, just wanted to bring this up)

And both will almost certainly sit out the first year with the team.

So, who would you rather have?  A 7 year veteran who has 3 years in your system or a rookie QB who is unproven but maybe an equally talented prospect?

I think it's safe to say Culpepper can probably play at least 3-4 more years in the NFL at a high level, so this would be shoring up the idea that a veteran QB like him would be a "temp fix".  Frerotte, by comparison is going in his 13th.
Thats not even closeHeres what the 16th pick got last year:

(Travis)Johnson will sign a five-year, $10.2 million contract that includes guaranteed bonuses of $7.77 million. The former Florida State standout was the 16th overall prospect selected in the 2005 draft. He is the 11th first-rounder to reach contract terms.

Culpepper is owed the following:

2006 2000000.00

2007 5500000.00

2008 6000000.00

2009 6000000.00

2010 7000000.00

2011 8000000.00

2012 9000000.00

2013 10000000.00

PLUS he is due $6mil in the form of a roster bonus this spring AND he is seeking to renegotiate this deal AND he is coming back from a major knee injury that while its projected he'll return sometime in 2006, there are no guarantees against future problems.
thanks for the numbers. The contract situations make it difficult to compare different players and their subsequent value.
 

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