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why are property taxes so different from state-to-state (1 Viewer)

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In the NYC area, you can live in Westchester county and easily spend over $20,000 in taxes but as soon as you go over the state-line to Connecticut the property taxes for a similar town/house/lot drops to $8000.. You get the same kind of services in both towns (snow-removal, recreation department, schools, town pool, city council etc.) and the towns have a similar makeup of industry and residential..

then you go to other towns around the country and they can survive on much much less..

what is the reason why certain towns have to/choose to charge that much?

 
In the NYC area, you can live in Westchester county and easily spend over $20,000 in taxes but as soon as you go over the state-line to Connecticut the property taxes for a similar town/house/lot drops to $8000.. You get the same kind of services in both towns (snow-removal, recreation department, schools, town pool, city council etc.) and the towns have a similar makeup of industry and residential..

then you go to other towns around the country and they can survive on much much less..

what is the reason why certain towns have to/choose to charge that much?
You get the services you pay for. It takes a lot of money to make sure people are not using unregistered PODS.

 
In the NYC area, you can live in Westchester county and easily spend over $20,000 in taxes but as soon as you go over the state-line to Connecticut the property taxes for a similar town/house/lot drops to $8000.. You get the same kind of services in both towns (snow-removal, recreation department, schools, town pool, city council etc.) and the towns have a similar makeup of industry and residential..

then you go to other towns around the country and they can survive on much much less..

what is the reason why certain towns have to/choose to charge that much?
Some areas with lower property taxes make up the money through other levies -- sales taxes, school taxes, vehicle taxes, fire dept taxes, etc. To compare costs it's best to add them all together.

 
5. Wisconsin
> Taxes paid by residents as pct. of income: 11.0%
> Total state taxes collected: $16.0 billion (17th highest)
> Tax burden per capita: $4,477 (10th largest)
> Income per capita: $40,741 (25th highest)


Wisconsin’s income tax was the state’s largest source of tax revenue, accounting for more than 42% of the state’s total tax revenue. Governor Scott Walker has recently suggested overhauling the income tax system, but such reforms would not go into effect until 2015. Gas is currently taxed at nearly 31 cents a gallon in Wisconsin, among the highest rates nationwide. The high effective property tax rate in the state may also have contributed to the overall high tax burden in Wisconsin. Property values were taxed at 1.76% in 2012, more than all but three other states. The combination of such taxes meant residents faced the fifth-highest tax burden in the U.S. and also paid $3,387 — or 8.3% of their incomes — in Wisconsin state and local taxes.

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4. California
> Taxes paid by residents as pct. of income: 11.4%
> Total state taxes collected: $115.1 billion (the highest)
> Tax burden per capita: $5,136 (6th largest)
> Income per capita: $45,254 (15th highest)

California has the highest number of ultra-wealthy individuals — people with a net worth of at least $30 million — in the country. Individuals making $1 million or more per year paid 13.3% of their income in state income tax, the highest personal income tax rate in the nation. The state also levies the highest gasoline tax of any state, charging customers 52.5 cents per gallon. Even the state’s sales taxes were quite high, with the average combined state and local sales tax rate of 8.41%, the eighth highest in the nation. California also had one of the highest poverty rates in the nation that year and spent $69 billion on public welfare, by far the most of any state.

3. Connecticut
> Taxes paid by residents as pct. of income: 11.9%
> Total state taxes collected: $15.4 billion (19th highest)
> Tax burden per capita: $7,150 (the largest)
> Income per capita: $60,287 (the highest)

Connecticut had among the steepest property taxes in the country. Residents paid $2,577 per person on average in 2011, the second most in the country. A typical house in Connecticut cost $267,800 in 2012, among the nation’s highest home prices. Property values are likely tied to the high incomes among Connecticut’s wealthy residents. The average income in the state was more than $60,000 in 2011, the highest in the country. Also due to their high incomes, Connecticut residents paid more in state and local taxes — $7,150 per person — than people in any other state. Of this, they paid an average of $4,885 to Connecticut governments. Residents also paid $2,264 per person in taxes to other states, such as neighboring New York, the most in the nation. Residents also had to pay at the pump. State taxes on gas totaled nearly 50 cents a gallon this year, more than in any other state, except California and New York.

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2. New Jersey
> Taxes paid by residents as pct. of income: 12.3%
> Total state taxes collected: $27.5 billion (7th highest)
> Tax burden per capita: $6,675 (2nd largest)
> Income per capita: $54,422 (2nd highest)

New Jersey had the highest effective property tax rate in the country, as well as the second-highest state sales tax. One of the factors that may have contributed to the higher taxes was the state’s considerable debt burden of $7,328 per capita, the fifth highest in the U.S. Families living in the state, however, may benefit from the high property taxes as they are often used to fund public school systems. Indeed, the American Legislative Exchange Council ranked New Jersey third in the nation for the quality of its public education in 2012. In addition to the state’s high property and income taxes, New Jersey residents paid an average of $2,000 per person in taxes to other states, such as neighboring New York and Pennsylvania.

1. New York
> Taxes paid by residents as pct. of income: 12.6%
> Total state taxes collected: $71.5 billion (2nd highest)
> Tax burden per capita: $6,622 (3rd largest)
> Income per capita: $52,417 (5th highest)

New York residents faced the nation’s highest state and local tax burden in fiscal 2011. Overall, 12.6% of residents’ income, or $6,622 per person, went to either state or local taxes that year, with the bulk of payments going to the state of New York or its local governments. The state collected about $71.5 billion in taxes in fiscal 2012. More than half of that came from individual income taxes, which contributed $38.8 billion to the state’s coffers. Helping to boost these collections, the state charged residents an individual income tax rate of 6.85% if they earned more than $205,850 a year, and a rate of 8.82% if they earned more than $1,029,250 a year. New York is one of just two states that has a “tax benefit recapture” provision, which requires residents to pay the tax rate from their highest bracket on all their income, rather than on income earned above the bracket’s threshold.



 
Because a person making $500,000 per year would pay about $12,000 less in state income tax in New York than in New Jersey.

 
Yeah, NYC property taxes seem low. I pay a pretty low percentage on my co-op (underlying mortgage & R.E.T. are blended into the monthly common charge). I have a buddy in prime Brooklyn who pays less than $2K on his 4,000 sq ft brownstone. You look around think you got it good, what with so many good school districts in Long Island or northern Jersey charging $30K in property taxes. But we also pay a ton in income taxes.

 
Oh, sorry, misread... Connecticut? Yeah, they're just gouging.

Is there a big population/income difference?

 
I believe part of the reason that property taxes in New Jersey are so high is that taxes from the richer areas help to fund schools in the poorer areas. That isn't true everywhere.

 
In the NYC area, you can live in Westchester county and easily spend over $20,000 in taxes but as soon as you go over the state-line to Connecticut the property taxes for a similar town/house/lot drops to $8000.. You get the same kind of services in both towns (snow-removal, recreation department, schools, town pool, city council etc.) and the towns have a similar makeup of industry and residential..

then you go to other towns around the country and they can survive on much much less..

what is the reason why certain towns have to/choose to charge that much?
Union pensions are expensive, bub.

 
I believe part of the reason that property taxes in New Jersey are so high is that taxes from the richer areas help to fund schools in the poorer areas. That isn't true everywhere.
Very true in NJ. Especially in Essex and Hudson counties. Places like Millburn/Short Hills are paying 30k plus to fund the Newark Schools. They are actually trying to leave the county to lower the tax burden.

 
Here is the distribution of my taxes for last year (suburb of Columbus with good schools). I am paying approximately 2.85% of the value of my house in property taxes.

General Fund 1.6%
Children's Services 5.2%
Alcohol, Drug & Mental Health Services 2.4%
MRDD 7.5%
Metro Parks 0.8%
Columbus Zoo 0.7%
Senior Options 1.4%
School District 62.6%
Township 10.9%
Vocational School 1.7%
City / Village 2.1%
Library / Other 3.0%
Total 100.0%

 
State and Local taxes will be different in each jurisdiction depending on how much people want to spend in that particular town. Not everyone wants to spend the same amount on local services.

Also, cities and towns have several different sources of funding, including:

- State taxes that get dispersed to towns (sales, income, etc.)

- City and county taxes (sales taxes, income taxes, fees, etc.)

- Property taxes - some towns have the same rates for businesses as they do for residential. Others have different rates.

Add the two issues together and you could see why there would be a wide disparity.

 
State to state...it changes town by town here
The rate of taxation or the amount? I think that the rate in the towns that surround me is fairly similar to mine, but the amount differs based on home valuation in neighboring towns.
Don't know...i know we were looking for same size house close to the same property but the taxes were double what i pay only a couple towns over :shrug:
 
Huh. Just looked it up, and Louisiana has the lowest property taxes in the U.S. Guess that's why everyone else's seem high.

 
Just curious, if you know what your house is valued at, how much you pay in taxes annually relative to your estimated home value (for reference).

Annual Property Tax / Home appraisal value by town

I'm at exactly 3% in Long Island.

 
Just curious, if you know what your house is valued at, how much you pay in taxes annually relative to your estimated home value (for reference).

Annual Property Tax / Home appraisal value by town

I'm at exactly 3% in Long Island.
funny my town just had a reval...my taxes didn't change but my home tax evaluation did...

I'm at about 2.5 % but last year it would have been 4.6

 
Just curious, if you know what your house is valued at, how much you pay in taxes annually relative to your estimated home value (for reference).

Annual Property Tax / Home appraisal value by town

I'm at exactly 3% in Long Island.
funny my town just had a reval...my taxes didn't change but my home tax evaluation did...

I'm at about 2.5 % but last year it would have been 4.6
because they didn't want to make everyone's taxes spike immediately (assuming the value went up), but they wanted a more accurate baseline going forward. so they changed the tax rate (aka the millage) to be proportional the home values and get the tax amount they desire.

 
Just curious, if you know what your house is valued at, how much you pay in taxes annually relative to your estimated home value (for reference).

Annual Property Tax / Home appraisal value by town

I'm at exactly 3% in Long Island.
funny my town just had a reval...my taxes didn't change but my home tax evaluation did...

I'm at about 2.5 % but last year it would have been 4.6
because they didn't want to make everyone's taxes spike immediately (assuming the value went up), but they wanted a more accurate baseline going forward. so they changed the tax rate (aka the millage) to be proportional the home values and get the tax amount they desire.
oh I understand was just giving Ned his data.yeah my house evaluation almost doubled

 
Taxes around here(Boston Burbs) vary quite a bit from town to town. If a town has a lot of businesses usually resident taxes are lower if minimal businesses then higher. :(

 
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I live on the borderline of the city and neighboring township. Literally my next door neighbors pay 1/5 of the taxes I do. I get much better services and the city itself has a really well maintained downtown and park system. I guess it's worth it.

 
Taxes around here(Boston Burbs) vary quite a bit from town to town. If a town has a lot of businesses usually resident taxes are lower if minimal businesses then higher. :(
In MA, we also have Proposition 2 1/2, which states that the town's property tax levy cannot go up more than 2.5% in any one year. If they up the rate by more than 2.5%, then they need to adjust the valuations. There have been plenty of situations where home valuations went up quite a bit more than the 2.5% (has to happen every 5 years, I think), so they had to cut the rate down.

 
Taxes around here(Boston Burbs) vary quite a bit from town to town. If a town has a lot of businesses usually resident taxes are lower if minimal businesses then higher. :(
In MA, we also have Proposition 2 1/2, which states that the town's property tax levy cannot go up more than 2.5% in any one year. If they up the rate by more than 2.5%, then they need to adjust the valuations. There have been plenty of situations where home valuations went up quite a bit more than the 2.5% (has to happen every 5 years, I think), so they had to cut the rate down.
Good point, my house has been revalued a bunch over the last 15 years, mostly up but once it went down IIRC

 
I live on the borderline of the city and neighboring township. Literally my next door neighbors pay 1/5 of the taxes I do. I get much better services and the city itself has a really well maintained downtown and park system. I guess it's worth it.
In a different weird quirk, a friend of mine and his wife just closed on a house in a nice suburb. But there's a catch - the mailing address and property taxes are for one town, but the way the school districts are drawn, they're in a better school district. They intentionally only looked to buy in a very specific small neighborhood for this reason. So now they'll pay lower property taxes to one town, but get to send their kids to the better schools.

 
I live on the borderline of the city and neighboring township. Literally my next door neighbors pay 1/5 of the taxes I do. I get much better services and the city itself has a really well maintained downtown and park system. I guess it's worth it.
In a different weird quirk, a friend of mine and his wife just closed on a house in a nice suburb. But there's a catch - the mailing address and property taxes are for one town, but the way the school districts are drawn, they're in a better school district. They intentionally only looked to buy in a very specific small neighborhood for this reason. So now they'll pay lower property taxes to one town, but get to send their kids to the better schools.
That's odd, but there are few places like that near me where it's a cheaper city but the school lines pull them into the nicer district. I don't get how all that got decided.

 
I believe part of the reason that property taxes in New Jersey are so high is that taxes from the richer areas help to fund schools in the poorer areas. That isn't true everywhere.
Very true in NJ. Especially in Essex and Hudson counties. Places like Millburn/Short Hills are paying 30k plus to fund the Newark Schools. They are actually trying to leave the county to lower the tax burden.
This. If you look at the "richest" counties in NJ, you usually see Hunterdon Co. high on the list. I live in Hunterdon, and I've lived over in Mercer too...I can tell you there's a LOT more money in Mercer than there is in Hunterdon, but Mercer also gets Trenton...and other wealthy counties get Newark, Elizabeth, etc...Hunterdon Co. does OK, but they don't have a true "poorer" area, which means our "average" income is higher due to not having the low-income pulling the average down.

NJ is a really messed up place demographically. It only makes sense taxes would be the same way.

 
I live in SC, just south of Charlotte, and my property taxes are really low on my house. Last year, just $1800 on a house valued at about $450K. When I lived in the CHI suburbs many years ago, my property taxes were about $8000 on a house about the same value (and I lived in Cook county before I moved down to SC.....my parents in DuPage County pay over $13K in taxes on a house worth about $550K)

But I pay over 7% in income taxes (to NC), and I paid $600 last year tax on my cars, and sales taxes are pretty high in NC-SC.

When I lived in the CHI suburbs many years ago, a decent portion of your property taxes went towards funding the town's park district (and you get discounts for the services as a resident as well as discounted golf rates at the park district course, if there is one in your town). Down in CLT, there are parks but most similar park-district type services/programs are usually offered by the local YMCA, where members get a discount. And the YMCAs are pretty pricey down here......over $100 a month for a family.

There also can be significant differnces in utility bills, not just due to local taxes. I pay a LOT more for water down in SC than I did in IL, and it's not just that I use more watering my lawn.

So it's tough to make a proper comparison. Property taxes are just a slice of the total cost of living factor in a particular area.

 
I live on the borderline of the city and neighboring township. Literally my next door neighbors pay 1/5 of the taxes I do. I get much better services and the city itself has a really well maintained downtown and park system. I guess it's worth it.
In a different weird quirk, a friend of mine and his wife just closed on a house in a nice suburb. But there's a catch - the mailing address and property taxes are for one town, but the way the school districts are drawn, they're in a better school district. They intentionally only looked to buy in a very specific small neighborhood for this reason. So now they'll pay lower property taxes to one town, but get to send their kids to the better schools.
There is just 1 property tax? In PA, you need to pay the city, school district and county all separately, so this could not happen.

 
In the NYC area, you can live in Westchester county and easily spend over $20,000 in taxes but as soon as you go over the state-line to Connecticut the property taxes for a similar town/house/lot drops to $8000.. You get the same kind of services in both towns (snow-removal, recreation department, schools, town pool, city council etc.) and the towns have a similar makeup of industry and residential..

then you go to other towns around the country and they can survive on much much less..

what is the reason why certain towns have to/choose to charge that much?
Union pensions are expensive, bub.
This. Until Christie took office the police and firemen had a very sweet retirement plan. 20 years service for a full pension, and according to my buddy that is there the pension was 67% of the 3 highest years you earned. So, if a guy goes to work on the force at 23 years of age, earns 75k for 3 years, and from what I'm told that is relatively easy to do, he retires at 43 with a 50k a year pension until he dies. Not to mention they are still on the medical plan. One of my clients pays 16k a year property tax on his very modest home in NJ. His similar sized home here in Maryland is only 2600

 
Some idiots don't understand how taxes work:


On a recent evening, more than 300 homeowners who are worried about their rising property tax bills filled First Unitarian Universalist Church in North Austin for a town hall meeting. If something doesn’t change, many said, they will soon be priced out of their homes.

Two nights later, a similar discussion played out in South Austin, where homeowners gathered at Grace United Methodist Church in Travis Heights to talk about what can be done to slow escalating residential tax values.

“I’m at the breaking point,” said Gretchen Gardner, an Austin artist who bought a 1930s bungalow in the Bouldin neighborhood just south of downtown in 1991 and has watched her property tax bill soar to $8,500 this year.

“It’s not because I don’t like paying taxes,” said Gardner, who attended both meetings. “I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can’t afford to live here anymore. I’ll protest my appraisal notice, but that’s not enough. Someone needs to step in and address the big picture.”
:lmao:

 
Some idiots don't understand how taxes work:


On a recent evening, more than 300 homeowners who are worried about their rising property tax bills filled First Unitarian Universalist Church in North Austin for a town hall meeting. If something doesn’t change, many said, they will soon be priced out of their homes.

Two nights later, a similar discussion played out in South Austin, where homeowners gathered at Grace United Methodist Church in Travis Heights to talk about what can be done to slow escalating residential tax values.

“I’m at the breaking point,” said Gretchen Gardner, an Austin artist who bought a 1930s bungalow in the Bouldin neighborhood just south of downtown in 1991 and has watched her property tax bill soar to $8,500 this year.

“It’s not because I don’t like paying taxes,” said Gardner, who attended both meetings. “I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can’t afford to live here anymore. I’ll protest my appraisal notice, but that’s not enough. Someone needs to step in and address the big picture.”
:lmao:
That's awesome. I voted for all the expenses but I didn't expect I'd have to pay for them.

 
Some idiots don't understand how taxes work:


On a recent evening, more than 300 homeowners who are worried about their rising property tax bills filled First Unitarian Universalist Church in North Austin for a town hall meeting. If something doesn’t change, many said, they will soon be priced out of their homes.

Two nights later, a similar discussion played out in South Austin, where homeowners gathered at Grace United Methodist Church in Travis Heights to talk about what can be done to slow escalating residential tax values.

“I’m at the breaking point,” said Gretchen Gardner, an Austin artist who bought a 1930s bungalow in the Bouldin neighborhood just south of downtown in 1991 and has watched her property tax bill soar to $8,500 this year.

“It’s not because I don’t like paying taxes,” said Gardner, who attended both meetings. “I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can’t afford to live here anymore. I’ll protest my appraisal notice, but that’s not enough. Someone needs to step in and address the big picture.”
:lmao:
That's awesome. I voted for all the expenses but I didn't expect I'd have to pay for them.
People: Still Dumb

 
I live on the borderline of the city and neighboring township. Literally my next door neighbors pay 1/5 of the taxes I do. I get much better services and the city itself has a really well maintained downtown and park system. I guess it's worth it.
In a different weird quirk, a friend of mine and his wife just closed on a house in a nice suburb. But there's a catch - the mailing address and property taxes are for one town, but the way the school districts are drawn, they're in a better school district. They intentionally only looked to buy in a very specific small neighborhood for this reason. So now they'll pay lower property taxes to one town, but get to send their kids to the better schools.
There is just 1 property tax? In PA, you need to pay the city, school district and county all separately, so this could not happen.
Usually county and town. If you live in a village, you'd be liable for that too. The place they're in is not in a village.

 
Taxes around here(Boston Burbs) vary quite a bit from town to town. If a town has a lot of businesses usually resident taxes are lower if minimal businesses then higher. :(
One of the reasons I moved away. I lived in a town that said No to almost every singe business plan or proposal for the last 25 years. Out taxes were going up faster then everyone else's and every year was a prop 2.5 year it seemed. Then you had other towns like Burlington who have a big mall and business parks near the highway and thier taxes were making at the lowest in the state.

 
Sarnoff said:
Some idiots don't understand how taxes work:


On a recent evening, more than 300 homeowners who are worried about their rising property tax bills filled First Unitarian Universalist Church in North Austin for a town hall meeting. If something doesn’t change, many said, they will soon be priced out of their homes.

Two nights later, a similar discussion played out in South Austin, where homeowners gathered at Grace United Methodist Church in Travis Heights to talk about what can be done to slow escalating residential tax values.

“I’m at the breaking point,” said Gretchen Gardner, an Austin artist who bought a 1930s bungalow in the Bouldin neighborhood just south of downtown in 1991 and has watched her property tax bill soar to $8,500 this year.

“It’s not because I don’t like paying taxes,” said Gardner, who attended both meetings. “I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can’t afford to live here anymore. I’ll protest my appraisal notice, but that’s not enough. Someone needs to step in and address the big picture.”
:lmao:
You realize he's arguing that his property value increase is too high, not tax rate.

Property tax = Property value * X%

He might be fine with a X% increase, but doesn't feel the hike in appraised value is warranted.

 
Keep in mind too that these taxes cover a bunch of services as well such as waste disposal, fire service, schools, etc. It's just for new buildings and what not.

And of course, this will vary all over the country.

 
Sarnoff said:
Some idiots don't understand how taxes work:


On a recent evening, more than 300 homeowners who are worried about their rising property tax bills filled First Unitarian Universalist Church in North Austin for a town hall meeting. If something doesn’t change, many said, they will soon be priced out of their homes.

Two nights later, a similar discussion played out in South Austin, where homeowners gathered at Grace United Methodist Church in Travis Heights to talk about what can be done to slow escalating residential tax values.

“I’m at the breaking point,” said Gretchen Gardner, an Austin artist who bought a 1930s bungalow in the Bouldin neighborhood just south of downtown in 1991 and has watched her property tax bill soar to $8,500 this year.

“It’s not because I don’t like paying taxes,” said Gardner, who attended both meetings. “I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can’t afford to live here anymore. I’ll protest my appraisal notice, but that’s not enough. Someone needs to step in and address the big picture.”
:lmao:
You realize he's arguing that his property value increase is too high, not tax rate.

Property tax = Property value * X%

He might be fine with a X% increase, but doesn't feel the hike in appraised value is warranted.
And you realize property values went up because Austin improved so much in the last 20 years, due to the things she voted for, right? "I voted to improve this city. I had no idea it would make my home worth more as a result." :loco:

 
Sarnoff said:
Some idiots don't understand how taxes work:


On a recent evening, more than 300 homeowners who are worried about their rising property tax bills filled First Unitarian Universalist Church in North Austin for a town hall meeting. If something doesn’t change, many said, they will soon be priced out of their homes.

Two nights later, a similar discussion played out in South Austin, where homeowners gathered at Grace United Methodist Church in Travis Heights to talk about what can be done to slow escalating residential tax values.

“I’m at the breaking point,” said Gretchen Gardner, an Austin artist who bought a 1930s bungalow in the Bouldin neighborhood just south of downtown in 1991 and has watched her property tax bill soar to $8,500 this year.

“It’s not because I don’t like paying taxes,” said Gardner, who attended both meetings. “I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can’t afford to live here anymore. I’ll protest my appraisal notice, but that’s not enough. Someone needs to step in and address the big picture.”
:lmao:
You realize he's arguing that his property value increase is too high, not tax rate.

Property tax = Property value * X%

He might be fine with a X% increase, but doesn't feel the hike in appraised value is warranted.
whether it's the rate or the appraised value, they are trying to hit a certain amount of taxes assessed anyway, so it's kind of one in the same.

 
Sarnoff said:
Some idiots don't understand how taxes work:


On a recent evening, more than 300 homeowners who are worried about their rising property tax bills filled First Unitarian Universalist Church in North Austin for a town hall meeting. If something doesn’t change, many said, they will soon be priced out of their homes.

Two nights later, a similar discussion played out in South Austin, where homeowners gathered at Grace United Methodist Church in Travis Heights to talk about what can be done to slow escalating residential tax values.

“I’m at the breaking point,” said Gretchen Gardner, an Austin artist who bought a 1930s bungalow in the Bouldin neighborhood just south of downtown in 1991 and has watched her property tax bill soar to $8,500 this year.

“It’s not because I don’t like paying taxes,” said Gardner, who attended both meetings. “I have voted for every park, every library, all the school improvements, for light rail, for anything that will make this city better. But now I can’t afford to live here anymore. I’ll protest my appraisal notice, but that’s not enough. Someone needs to step in and address the big picture.”
:lmao:
You realize he's arguing that his property value increase is too high, not tax rate.

Property tax = Property value * X%

He might be fine with a X% increase, but doesn't feel the hike in appraised value is warranted.
And you realize property values went up because Austin improved so much in the last 20 years, due to the things she voted for, right? "I voted to improve this city. I had no idea it would make my home worth more as a result." :loco:
You know what, yeah I do think that's exactly the case. And he's not completely off base here either. Expanding/maintaining services for an expanding population base isn't a lock to raise property values. Property values are mostly driven by things in a small radius of the property, not a city wide initiative. Normally, you see tax rates in the form of sales tax increases to cover all these in Texas. In fact, I think that's the law. Property tax is solely uses to cover schools, hospitals, and county level govt. Cities nearly exclusively get their tax base from sales tax and hotels, but property taxes do roll in at least a little bit it varies by city.

It's a major issue in places where property values are so closely tied to tax rates. If sales tax revenues don't meet targets they tell their CAD inspectors to go out and jack values. At one point in Dallas they jacked my value 60k over what an actual RE appraisal I had done for a mort. only 8 months prior.

Texas is a special place. We have some strange laws and some strange lawmakers.

 
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I will say this, in Dallas we pay more than any other city in the nation towards our hospital. (Parkland). This hospital is a haven for anchor babies from Mexico.

I think parkland was a $2400 line item on my taxes last year and I probably have paid now close to $25000 to a hospital that I won't set foot in in my lifetime.

So when discussing US property taxation I'd leave Texas out, because we are really ####ed up.

 
Taxes around here(Boston Burbs) vary quite a bit from town to town. If a town has a lot of businesses usually resident taxes are lower if minimal businesses then higher. :(
In MA, we also have Proposition 2 1/2, which states that the town's property tax levy cannot go up more than 2.5% in any one year. If they up the rate by more than 2.5%, then they need to adjust the valuations. There have been plenty of situations where home valuations went up quite a bit more than the 2.5% (has to happen every 5 years, I think), so they had to cut the rate down.
I remember when they introduced 2 1/2 in MASS. It was a nightmare for the school systems. We had years where we just didn't have enough $$$ for the schools. We had to find other ways to get funds.

Without digging too deep, here are our taxes in Loudoun Co, VA (Western suburb of DC, Main town is Leesburg)

  • Real Property Tax - Regular District 1: $1.155 per $100 in assessed value
  • Personal Property Tax Rate: $4.20 per $100
The PPT is mostly for vehicles. So yes you pay an extra tax on the value of your car. This is a state-wide VA tax, which may be why our RPT is on the low side. Everyone, homeowners or not, pays on the value of each of their cars, which can create a lot of taxes for the state.

"Proceeds from the Loudoun County Personal Property Tax are used locally to fund school districts, public transport, infrastructure, and other municipal government projects. Property tax income is almost always used for local projects and services, and does not go to the federal or state budget." Which helps explain why there are so many new roads and other transportation projects in development here. Schools ain't too bad either, but as with all, can be better!

Other NoVA guys, did I get this right? I married a CPA, so I wouldn't have to deal with this s##t!

 

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