Why aren't there more new hires coaching in the NFL? (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

This offseason, and oh so many before, is full of this guy didn't do well there, so let's give him a chance here.

There's many like Chris Palmer in Buffalo.

In Jax, they've got Blake Bortles entering his second year and decided to bring in the guy that developed EJ Manuel.

I'd really prefer teams go to the college ranks and/or hire some former player to be a position coach. I'll agree that not every former player can be a coordinator or head coach, but I imagine there's enough that are capable of being position coaches.

Many times it's like NFL teams have this mindset there's only a few available coaches to pick from.

 

[JaxBill]

Why isn't THERE?

 

[JaxBill]

For the record, the Jaguars did bring in a college offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch from Miami in 2013. That went so well they went with an experienced (journeyman?) coordinator in Greg Olson who was with Carr in Oakland last year.

Marrone's title is Asst HC/OL coach

They brought in Nathaniel Hacket to be Qb coac.

 

[bostonfred]

I think a lot of times these guys get hired to accomplish a specific thing. You might hire Mike Martz hoping he can bring his offense to your team, or these days maybe a guy from the Eagles offense or Seattle defense.

Or you might bring in a guy who can instill a certain attitude you feel is lacking. A tough coach after things got too soft under the old regime. a players coach because your team stopped responding to the old school coach.

you might bring in a guy to install a specific scheme. As a gm, you look at your team and say we need a guy who runs the 4-3, and an offensive coordinator who's a good teacher because these guys are still young. or you know there's a good d coordinator available from your last stop, so you scoop up the best offensive minded head coach available and bring your guy in to run the defense.

Or you might just be punting the season. The redskins got destroyed by Goodell's salary cap penalty. it would have been a good time to bring in a tough coach who could instill a work ethic and cut some jerks. You're not going to win anyways, might as well get something out of the lost season.

There's lots more that goes in to a head coaching hire than just "finding the best guy".

 

[Hankmoody]

Why isn't THERE?

Why AREN'T there?

 

[Long Ball Larry]

A lot of these coaching jobs are a lot more than just working with the players. There is a significant amount of details, organization, time management, etc. that goes into it. A lot of times, knowing how to deal with that stuff (especially as a head coach) is valuable. So I would say that is a big part of it.

Though I do agree that a lot of teams/managers are probably overly conservative with their hires.

 

[bostonfred]

Why isn't THERE?

Why AREN'T there?

These pretzels are making ME thirsty.

 

[Old Smiley]

Because winning and talking about winning to potential bosses are different things?

Also, fear of catastrophic failure ala Petrino.

 

[roadkill1292]

Why isn't THERE?

Why AREN'T there?

These pretzels are making ME thirsty.

There making me thirsty, too.

 

[JohnnyU]

Too much recycling of coaches in the NFL.

 

[massraider]

Good thing the Seahawks and Pats didn't avoid the retread coaching hire, huh?

 

[JohnnyU]

Good thing the Seahawks and Pats didn't avoid the retread coaching hire, huh?

exception rather than the rule.

Edited to add exception is wrong, there have been several who have gone elsewhere to coach a team to the SB. I guess it's more about talent than coaching?

 

[bostonfred]

Good thing the Seahawks and Pats didn't avoid the retread coaching hire, huh?

exception rather than the rule.

who coached the Colts to their title?

 

[parrot]

Good thing the Seahawks and Pats didn't avoid the retread coaching hire, huh?

exception rather than the rule.

Coughlin?

 

[JohnnyU]

Good thing the Seahawks and Pats didn't avoid the retread coaching hire, huh?

exception rather than the rule.

Coughlin?

So why can't teams recognize their greatness? Why have some coaches gone to serveral teams as head coach and still haven't won a super bowl? Why not give some unknowns a chance?

 

[massraider]

So why can't teams recognize their greatness? Why have some coaches gone to serveral teams as head coach and still haven't won a super bowl? Why not give some unknowns a chance?

Impatience, and lack of talent.

Impatience: Most teams would have fired Coughlin before he won his first of two Super Bowls. You won't find anyone that disagrees with the notion that continuity and stability are important, but one bad season, and all you hear are calls for the head coach's job.

Lack of talent: Funny how coaches tend to get smarter when a good QB shows up.

By the way, if you look at Super Bowl winners, retreads aren't the exception. At all.

Experienced coaches just aren't sexy. Yet they can often hire a better staff than unknown guys, and have hopefully learned from their previous failures. Fans always want the fresh new hire, with the REVOLUTIONARY IDEAS!!!!!! Guys like Mike Martz.

The better players win. Not always, but mostly.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Also learning how to be a head coach plays a vital role in head coach position. A lot of guys get second and third chances because of success at a co-ordinator level (Norv) and sell them selves has having learned from their past mistakes.

eta: And owners making new hires generally do not want to have to pay for a coach to learn how to be a head coach.

 

[JohnnyU]

So why can't teams recognize their greatness? Why have some coaches gone to serveral teams as head coach and still haven't won a super bowl? Why not give some unknowns a chance?

Impatience, and lack of talent.

Impatience: Most teams would have fired Coughlin before he won his first of two Super Bowls. You won't find anyone that disagrees with the notion that continuity and stability are important, but one bad season, and all you hear are calls for the head coach's job.

Lack of talent: Funny how coaches tend to get smarter when a good QB shows up.

By the way, if you look at Super Bowl winners, retreads aren't the exception. At all.

Experienced coaches just aren't sexy. Yet they can often hire a better staff than unknown guys, and have hopefully learned from their previous failures. Fans always want the fresh new hire, with the REVOLUTIONARY IDEAS!!!!!! Guys like Mike Martz.

The better players win. Not always, but mostly.

So, I guess you're saying coaching is overrated and great players make coaches look smarter than they are. Why can't owners take this into consideration? I guess they have to have a scapegoat for the years they are terrible.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Good thing the Seahawks and Pats didn't avoid the retread coaching hire, huh?

exception rather than the rule.

Coughlin?

So why can't teams recognize their greatness? Why have some coaches gone to serveral teams as head coach and still haven't won a super bowl? Why not give some unknowns a chance?

What are we talking about here? There have been 14 head coaches hired in the past 2 years. 8 had never been NFL head coaches and 6 had. what is the problem?

 

[Shutout]

Good thing the Seahawks and Pats didn't avoid the retread coaching hire, huh?

exception rather than the rule.

Coughlin?

So why can't teams recognize their greatness? Why have some coaches gone to serveral teams as head coach and still haven't won a super bowl? Why not give some unknowns a chance?

What are we talking about here? There have been 14 head coaches hired in the past 2 years. 8 had never been NFL head coaches and 6 had. what is the problem?

That's pretty interesting numbers reporting because it seems (feels like) for every 10 jobs that surface, 9 are just recycled guys that have been recycled 5 times before.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

just like any other job, you want people with experience

 

[Bri]

just like any other job, you want people with experience

Yeah but with just any job, you call references or whatnot and...you don't want to hear someone didn't do well at the previous job.

 

[Bri]

Good thing the Seahawks and Pats didn't avoid the retread coaching hire, huh?

exception rather than the rule.

Coughlin?

So why can't teams recognize their greatness? Why have some coaches gone to serveral teams as head coach and still haven't won a super bowl? Why not give some unknowns a chance?

What are we talking about here? There have been 14 head coaches hired in the past 2 years. 8 had never been NFL head coaches and 6 had. what is the problem?

Just to clarify-The thread was about all coaches, your statement is solely about head coaches and allows for a positional coach to be promoted which is still an NFL team hiring a current NFL coach. FWIW I am totally in favor of promoting coaches that do well

 

[Bri]

Good thing the Seahawks and Pats didn't avoid the retread coaching hire, huh?

exception rather than the rule.

Edited to add exception is wrong, there have been several who have gone elsewhere to coach a team to the SB. I guess it's more about talent than coaching?

talent from a quality GM or that BP buying the groceries phrase.

I would like to think there's more to it. Like Pete said last time I was in the NFL I did X,Y,Z but this time I think we should do A,B,C. I see a very different style in him and remember his team being criticized for him being far too easy on them the first go around. I suppose change or a coach interested in change is reasonable.

Whisenhunt can possibly turn it around, but he is perfect example of not adjusting at all and the failure that comes with that.

Of any coaches to consider, Palmer is disturbing and really irritates me. I got nothing but maybe he is the sweetest talker in interviews

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I got you. I did think that you were talking about all coaches initially. Then it seemed like most people were talking about head coaches, so I was then responding to that.

 

[Bri]

Saints moved their RB coach to TE coach. If this is- you coached the RBs well, let's see if you can improve the TEs then maybe an OC spot if so...totally fine with me.

The Titans hired a CFL WR coach. I like some aspects of the CFL game and I can even imagine hiring an Arena league WR coach because I love a WR that battles for the ball.

I just want teams to be transparent and optimistic. I'm fine with them being wrong, like if either of the above don't pan out; so what, ya tried. What would irk me is if there's a WR coach that spent 8 years in the NFL and every team he went to the WRs got worse. Aside from the obvious, it gives me a "you're not even trying to get better" vibe and the offseason is supposed to be about hope. Let the Bucs think their #1 pick will put em in the Supe and ...some offseason issues are very transparent and I think teams have to show fans their optimism