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Why aren't these all decade players getting serious hall considera (1 Viewer)

Csonka4life

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I noticed **** Anderson, Cliff Harris, Joey Browner, The Snake and John David Crow have never really been considered for the hall are there reasons for this? You would think with Crow and Stabler playing glamour positions they would have an inside track for hall nominations. Roger Craig who in my mind isn't really a better player than the guys mentioned is a finalist this year.

 
Stabler was All Decade?

I would have thought that the 70's all decade QB's would be Roger Staubach and Terry Bradshaw. Or maybe even Bob Griese since he is a HOFer.

 
Well if you are all decade why not make the hall? Isn't that a sign of excellence?
Making an all-pro team is a sign of excellence. Making an all-decade team is even more impressive, sure but there are way more people who were "among the best at their position" over any ten-year period than can make the Hall.Don't forget that all-decade teams are arbitrary. You could have an all-decade team from '70 to '79, from '71 to '80, from '72 to '81.... to '00 to '09. That would be 31 teams in the post-merger era alone where you would analyze the best players from the decade. Obviously there would be a ton of overlap there -- Marshall Faulk missed the '90s all-decade team and the '00s all-decade team, but he'd be on several of the all-decade teams starting from about '94 on.But with 31 all-decade teams, it should be obvious that not everyone will or should make the HOF. Over some ten-year periods, there just are droughts at certain positions. There are also bad selections for the teams. And the criteria are different -- a great 5-year career could land you on the all-decade team, but five great years usually isn't enough for the HOF. Consider Terrell Davis, who is on the All-90s team.It just so happens that we only have four actual post-merger all-decade teams, but the theory is still the same. There will be some players on some all-decade teams who were merely pretty good players who managed to stand out because of a lack of talent at their position, playing on the right team, making some big plays at the end of the decade, or just sticking around for a really long time and having your prime coincide with the decade (say, Jamal Lewis in the '00s).None of the players you mentioned seemed HOF-worthy to me, but I'd be interested in hearing why you think they do aside from making the all-decade teams.
 
Just to pick one player from your list, John David Crow...

He was one of SIX running backs in the 13-16 team NFL of the '60s to make the team. That would be akin to more than 12 RBs today making the all-decade team.

In the '60s, he only had one really great season, 1960. He led the league in yards per carry and yards from scrimmage, ranked 3rd in rushing yards and fifth in rushing touchdowns in the 13-team NFL. (He also led the league in fumbles that season)

In '62, he led the league in fumbles again, was 2nd in rushing TDs and ranked 8th in rushing yards. In '64, he ranked 10th in rushing yards in the 14-team NFL and fifth in rushing TDs. Crow was a good receiver (and even played TE his last season) but he only ranked in the top ten in one other season in yards from scrimmage (besides '60), and that was a 9th place finish in '65.

There was tough competition in the '60s for post-season awards with Brown and Taylor in the beginning of the decade and Sayers and Kelly in the second half. But Crow only made three PBs in the decade and was named a first-team All-Pro only once. As far as the HOF goes, his pre-1960 work doesn't do much to pad his case.

He's pretty obviously not a HOFer.

Brown, Taylor, Kelly and Sayers were obvious choices for the all-decade team. I've let my thoughts on Hornung be known before; Crowe was an okay choice for the sixth RB, but there were probably better choices for the 4th halfback position.

Timmy Brown for the Eagles had a more dominant stretch of play; Tom Matte may have been a better player, too. You could also have taken three fullbacks, and selected someone like John Henry Johnson or **** Bass or Don Perkins. The takeaway is that while someone like Crow was a really good player, no one thought he was one of the greatest running backs of all-time. He just happened to make the rather bloated all-decade team of the '60s.

 
My Packers were a disaster during Stabler's hey-day. So I was a Raider fan for his time in Raiderland. I loved watching him play. He was as much an entertaining QB then as Favre is now. But truthfully he doesn't have the numbers for the Hall.

 
Well if you are all decade why not make the hall? Isn't that a sign of excellence?
Don't forget that all-decade teams are arbitrary.
To put my homer slant on it, there's no way Jimmy Smith makes the 90-99 or 00-09 all decade teams. But had the last 10 seasons of his career happen to line up with a decade, he'd have a very strong case. The fact that his best play happen to line up with an arbitrary measure of time should not improve his case for the HoF at all.
 
Well if you are all decade why not make the hall? Isn't that a sign of excellence?
Jamal Lewis and Shaun Alexander made this year's all-decade team, and neither of them will sniff the Hall.Stabler threw well more INTs than TDs and never finished in the top 3 in passing yardage. He had basically two good seasons (1974 and 1976) and a third good partial season (1973). He wound up on the All-Decade team because the bulk of his accomplishments were from 1970-1979, and they chose three QBs.
 
Pat Patriot said:
Stabler was All Decade?I would have thought that the 70's all decade QB's would be Roger Staubach and Terry Bradshaw. Or maybe even Bob Griese since he is a HOFer.
The All 70s Team had three QBs: Bradshaw, Stabler, and Staubach. I assume there was a tie in voting or something.
 
Pat Patriot said:
Stabler was All Decade?I would have thought that the 70's all decade QB's would be Roger Staubach and Terry Bradshaw. Or maybe even Bob Griese since he is a HOFer.
The All 70s Team had three QBs: Bradshaw, Stabler, and Staubach. I assume there was a tie in voting or something.
Before this year, every other all-decade team was selected by choosing a first team and a second team. There were 25 selectors, and each selector voted for one person. Whoever got the most votes was the first-team choice; whoever got the second-most votes got the second-team choice.For example, in the '80s, there were 26 selectors. 24.5 votes came for Montana at QB; presumably one voter split his vote between Montana and Marino. One of the voters voted for Fouts. So Montana was the first-team QB of the '80s, and Fouts (perhaps with the lone vote of the SD newspaper selector) was the second-team QB.In the '70s, 13 people voted for Staubach. Three voted for Bradshaw. Three voted for Stabler. So eight votes were obviously spread out among four or more QBs, presumably Griese, Tarkenton, Ken Anderson, Bert Jones and maybe Jim Hart. We can be pretty sure that Griese or Tarkenton or Anderson and/or Jones got two votes, so they missed out on being called a second-team All-decade choice by one vote.In other words, Stabler's status as an All-decade QB is pretty meaningless. I mean it's more impressive than say, Jim Zorn, but getting 3 votes out of 26 is hardly more impressive than getting 2 votes. Personally, I think Staubach was the best QB of the decade with Tarkenton at #2 , Anderson at #3 and Bradshaw at #4.
 
Why should they be in the HOF?
Because the HOF is a meaningless award that seems to only serve as a way for journalists to feel important. The HOF Selection Committee is comprised of one media member from each region with an NFL franchise, plus 11 at-large members. So let's be clear here. The Selection Committee is NOT comprised of NFL experts. These people have not played or coached in the NFL. They just write about it. If these media members were so bright when it comes to evaluating talent, they'd have a job with an NFL franchise. Heaven knows teams like the Lions or Browns have needed a great talent evaluator for years.

I think the a good way to demonstrate how meaningless the HOF is, would be to let these good but not great players in. Hopefully, it ushers in the moment where the HOF is abolished.

 
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The problem is when you have ex players they tend to let their friends in. Many cried foul about the old baseball old timers committee. Being elected to the hall means more for many old timers because their incomes can astronomically increase with the tag of hall of fame member. For guys on meager pensions this can be the difference between eating three squares and dressing well and traveling and not doing that.

 
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The problem is when you have ex players they tend to let their friends in. Many cried foul about the old baseball old timers committee. Being elected to the hall means more for many old timers because their incomes can astronomically increase with the tag of hall of fame member. For guys on meager pensions this can be the difference between eating three squares and dressing well and traveling and not doing that.
I won't say its perfect, but its a hell of a lot better than filling the Selection Committee with amateurs.
 

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