Why can't this happen? (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

ESPN's John Clayton reports the Raiders intend to draft Calvin Johnson with the No. 1 pick if the Dolphins acquire Trent Green from Kansas City.

Clayton's theory is that the whole top part of the draft depends on the future of Trent Green. If Green goes to Miami, Daunte Culpepper will be cut and Oakland would then sign him. Clayton says if a Green trade can't be worked out, the Raiders will be forced to draft JaMarcus Russell.

from Rotoworld

Miami wants Green, Oakland seems to want CPepp, and KC wants fair compensation in a mid round pick. I have heard experts say that KC would take a 5th for Green, but the problem is that Miami does not have a 5th round pick.

So, why not make this a 3 way deal with Oakland sending a pick to KC, and then Miami and Oakland get their QBs?

The only reason that I could think of is that none of these AFC teams want to help each other out, especially Oakland and KC.

Does this trade make sense to anyone else?

 

[Gatorman]

How?

I guess what you are looking for looks like this:

Miami gets trent green and gives up their number 6 rd. pick to Oakland +culpepper

Oakland gets Culpepper and a 6th rounder and gives up a #5

KC gets a number 5.

Problem here is that Oakland doesn't need to give up a pick to get c pep.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Problem here is that Oakland doesn't need to give up a pick to get c pep.

They do if they really want Culpepper and C. Johnson instead of J. Russell and whatever pick it would take to solve the differences between KC and Miami.

 

[PatsWillWin]

They probably don't want Culpepper under his current contract either.

 

[Davej626]

They probably don't want Culpepper under his current contract either.

Not to mention his questionable health status...

 

[Lord of the Rings]

From what I keep hearing, if the Fins acquire T. Green, then C. Pepp will more than likely be cut. Teams desperate for an overpriced, recovering from injury, downside of career kind of QB can get this guy without giving anything up. Are the Raiders that team?????? I'm beginning to think the whole Culpepper to Oakland thing is just a bunch of hype created because of the whole "Reunite CPepp & Moss" thing. I wonder if he's even on Davis' radar.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

KC wants MUCH higher than a 5th. They are wanting a 2nd round pick, something better than what MIA got for Welker. I would say KC is looking for a 2nd and a 6th.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

KC wants MUCH higher than a 5th. They are wanting a 2nd round pick, something better than what MIA got for Welker. I would say KC is looking for a 2nd and a 6th.

Precisely. If all they wanted was a 5th rounder, this deal would already have been done. They want a 2nd and another pick, and Miami is balking. If KC doesn't come down on the price, there won't be a trade.I think Miami would part with a 4th round pick, and if KC decides that's all they're going to get, it could start a domino effect.

 

[jgb95]

If I'm Miami I just wait it out.

KC will not pay Green his salary this year.

They will be forced to cut him and Miami can then grab him up.

This way they can screw Peterson who is asking for a King's ransom for a 36 year old QB who is fresh off a Major Head Injury.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

KC wants MUCH higher than a 5th. They are wanting a 2nd round pick, something better than what MIA got for Welker. I would say KC is looking for a 2nd and a 6th.

Precisely. If all they wanted was a 5th rounder, this deal would already have been done. They want a 2nd and another pick, and Miami is balking. If KC doesn't come down on the price, there won't be a trade.I think Miami would part with a 4th round pick, and if KC decides that's all they're going to get, it could start a domino effect.

And I say in return that Carl Peterson wont budge. I have seen 18 years if how this guys works. He will get the deal he wants or take his ball and go home.No way he settles for anything LESS than a 3rd at this point. A starting QB in the NFL is worth at least a 2nd IMO, age notwithstanding.

 

[SwampDawg]

KC wants MUCH higher than a 5th. They are wanting a 2nd round pick, something better than what MIA got for Welker. I would say KC is looking for a 2nd and a 6th.

Precisely. If all they wanted was a 5th rounder, this deal would already have been done. They want a 2nd and another pick, and Miami is balking. If KC doesn't come down on the price, there won't be a trade.I think Miami would part with a 4th round pick, and if KC decides that's all they're going to get, it could start a domino effect.

And I say in return that Carl Peterson wont budge. I have seen 18 years if how this guys works. He will get the deal he wants or take his ball and go home.No way he settles for anything LESS than a 3rd at this point. A starting QB in the NFL is worth at least a 2nd IMO, age notwithstanding.

He can feel that way, but if he is stupid enough to pay Green 7.2 million to be the back up the Chiefs deserve everything they get. No one will trade for Green under that contract, Green wants to go to miami so he is only willing to renegotiate with them. Which is his right, KC signed him to the deal. So Peterson's choice seem pretty simple, deal Green to Miami and get something in return, cut him and get nothing, or keep him and pay your backup 7.2 million of salary cap money.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

KC wants MUCH higher than a 5th. They are wanting a 2nd round pick, something better than what MIA got for Welker. I would say KC is looking for a 2nd and a 6th.

Precisely. If all they wanted was a 5th rounder, this deal would already have been done. They want a 2nd and another pick, and Miami is balking. If KC doesn't come down on the price, there won't be a trade.I think Miami would part with a 4th round pick, and if KC decides that's all they're going to get, it could start a domino effect.

And I say in return that Carl Peterson wont budge. I have seen 18 years if how this guys works. He will get the deal he wants or take his ball and go home.No way he settles for anything LESS than a 3rd at this point. A starting QB in the NFL is worth at least a 2nd IMO, age notwithstanding.

Let's say Miami simply will not pay that price (nor anyone else.) What happens then? Does Green get cut June 1, or is he on KC's roster this year?

 

[Gatorman]

KC wants MUCH higher than a 5th. They are wanting a 2nd round pick, something better than what MIA got for Welker. I would say KC is looking for a 2nd and a 6th.

Precisely. If all they wanted was a 5th rounder, this deal would already have been done. They want a 2nd and another pick, and Miami is balking. If KC doesn't come down on the price, there won't be a trade.I think Miami would part with a 4th round pick, and if KC decides that's all they're going to get, it could start a domino effect.

And I say in return that Carl Peterson wont budge. I have seen 18 years if how this guys works. He will get the deal he wants or take his ball and go home.No way he settles for anything LESS than a 3rd at this point. A starting QB in the NFL is worth at least a 2nd IMO, age notwithstanding.

Peterson can choose not to budge, and then get nothing for this draft (2007) still cut green, and lose all negotiating power if Quinn drops to Miami (or they get a guy in the second round).It is a complex game of chicken, and I am hoping Miami doesn't budge. We are not going to the super bowl next year, so why overpay for green when we don't have to. Heck, let Lemon start for a season.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

All I am saying is that there is ego involved here. When MIA will pay a 2 and a 7 for a slot WR and not give up more than a 6th for a proven veteran starting QB, something is wrong. And then you factor in the MIA is somewhat desperate @ QB and they STILL wont give up more.

I would be pissed if I were the KC brass too.

The previous regime in MIA worked with KC on a draft weekend deal for Surtain in '05, so there is positive history, but that price HAS to come up or it makes no sense for KC.....hell If Carl thinks like me, I would rather save my ego and release him June 1st than take a 6th or 7th for him.

 

[Chadstroma]

KC does not want to do ANYTHING that helps the Raiders. There is real hate between those teams. Remember, KC said that Trent could be traded to any team outside of the AFC West. Who else was that about? Were the Bronco's going to go for Green? No- Cutler is their future. Were the Chargers going to go after Green? No- Rivers is their man. It was obviously aimed at the Raiders. If KC has to do a deal involving the Raiders they likely will walk. If Miami cuts a player and the Raiders pick them up, then there is not much KC can do about it.

 

[massraider]

This hypothesis by Clayton may just be the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.

The Raiders don't know who they will take at #1, because they're waiting to see if they can get Daunte Culpepper?

Man, I understand that people don't think much of the Raiders, but this has crossed over into fantasy land.

 

[jeter23]

KC wants MUCH higher than a 5th. They are wanting a 2nd round pick, something better than what MIA got for Welker. I would say KC is looking for a 2nd and a 6th.

Precisely. If all they wanted was a 5th rounder, this deal would already have been done. They want a 2nd and another pick, and Miami is balking. If KC doesn't come down on the price, there won't be a trade.I think Miami would part with a 4th round pick, and if KC decides that's all they're going to get, it could start a domino effect.

How would the deal be done? Miami has no 5th round pick, which is why I thought a three team deal would make sense. I do understand that the Raiders and KC will likely not be trading partners, but other than that, I think it makes sense for all three teams.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

KC wants MUCH higher than a 5th. They are wanting a 2nd round pick, something better than what MIA got for Welker. I would say KC is looking for a 2nd and a 6th.

Precisely. If all they wanted was a 5th rounder, this deal would already have been done. They want a 2nd and another pick, and Miami is balking. If KC doesn't come down on the price, there won't be a trade.I think Miami would part with a 4th round pick, and if KC decides that's all they're going to get, it could start a domino effect.

How would the deal be done? Miami has no 5th round pick, which is why I thought a three team deal would make sense. I do understand that the Raiders and KC will likely not be trading partners, but other than that, I think it makes sense for all three teams.

Miami could trade a 4th round pick, which I think would be a reasonable middle ground. It's KC who is looking for a 2nd and another pick, so the deal very easily COULD get done without a third party. Your original scenario presented a three team trade where the third party furnished the 5th round pick KC supposedly wants for Green, but the fact is, they want a 2nd rounder, PLUS another pick. I don't know where the 5th rounder came from, but it's a moot point. Miami and KC can make a deal without a third team if they agree on a price.

 

[Dolfan]

All I am saying is that there is ego involved here. When MIA will pay a 2 and a 7 for a slot WR and not give up more than a 6th for a proven veteran starting QB, something is wrong. And then you factor in the MIA is somewhat desperate @ QB and they STILL wont give up more.I would be pissed if I were the KC brass too.The previous regime in MIA worked with KC on a draft weekend deal for Surtain in '05, so there is positive history, but that price HAS to come up or it makes no sense for KC.....hell If Carl thinks like me, I would rather save my ego and release him June 1st than take a 6th or 7th for him.

Apples to oranges... Welker's contract is A LOT different than Greens' (dollar-wise).. Besides, what does one deal have to do with the other?I would hope the Dolphins' brass is pissed at CP for even bringing that up in the negotiations -- that's bad business if you ask me... CP, "You guys screwed so-and-so over, so you should let us screw you over... C'mon..."So the Patriots made a bad deal -- we profited from it -- it doesn't mean that we are just going to turn around and fork that profit over to you...Green's value in this league (if you ask GMs around the league), I'd bet would be a lot closer to a 6th than a 2nd and a 6th..Green is 34-years old and coming off a major head injury, and he currently has a very large contract...McNair is the closest thing to this and the Ravens got him for a 4th..He is about the same age as Green, but he wasn't coming off a major injury IIRC... I'm not sure what his contract situation was like..Green's true value is probably about a late 4th OR early 5th round pick...CP can say he wants a 2nd all day, but unless a team in contention has their starter go down in TC, he will NEVER get it..I pray Miami is not stupid enough to pay more than a 5th rounder for him... I'd offer a 6th this year and a conditional pick next year (4th if he starts every game, 6th if he starts 1/2 the season, nothing if he starts less than 1/2 the season)... If KC turns it down, I agree with Gatorman -- let Lemon start if we have to...

 

[Padraig]

All I am saying is that there is ego involved here. When MIA will pay a 2 and a 7 for a slot WR and not give up more than a 6th for a proven veteran starting QB, something is wrong. And then you factor in the MIA is somewhat desperate @ QB and they STILL wont give up more.I would be pissed if I were the KC brass too.The previous regime in MIA worked with KC on a draft weekend deal for Surtain in '05, so there is positive history, but that price HAS to come up or it makes no sense for KC.....hell If Carl thinks like me, I would rather save my ego and release him June 1st than take a 6th or 7th for him.

Miami didnt pay anything for a slot WR. They got a 2 and 7 for Welker. Is KCs argument that since New England paid too much for Welker,Miami should pay to much for Green? Good luck with that.McNair didnt go for a 2nd rounder,why would Green? BTW,the only other team to make an offer for Green was Cleveland,and they offered a 5th. Maybe the ego is on the KC side.

 

[massraider]

All I am saying is that there is ego involved here. When MIA will pay a 2 and a 7 for a slot WR and not give up more than a 6th for a proven veteran starting QB, something is wrong. And then you factor in the MIA is somewhat desperate @ QB and they STILL wont give up more.

I would be pissed if I were the KC brass too.

The previous regime in MIA worked with KC on a draft weekend deal for Surtain in '05, so there is positive history, but that price HAS to come up or it makes no sense for KC.....hell If Carl thinks like me, I would rather save my ego and release him June 1st than take a 6th or 7th for him.

Miami didnt pay anything for a slot WR. They got a 2 and 7 for Welker. Is KCs argument that since New England paid too much for Welker,Miami should pay to much for Green? Good luck with that.McNair didnt go for a 2nd rounder,why would Green?

BTW,the only other team to make an offer for Green was Cleveland,and they offered a 5th. Maybe the ego is on the KC side.

It seems to be.Maybe Carl Peterson doesn't think anyone saw Green play last year. Perhaps he doesn't think anyone is aware of Green's contract.

 

[Gatorman]

Something should happen this weekend. I could see Miami trading down if AP is there and then getting a 5th as part of it, then shipping that to KC for green. If not, Miami simply waits for day 2 of the draft and makes an offer.

 

[Banger]

All I am saying is that there is ego involved here. When MIA will pay a 2 and a 7 for a slot WR and not give up more than a 6th for a proven veteran starting QB, something is wrong. And then you factor in the MIA is somewhat desperate @ QB and they STILL wont give up more.I would be pissed if I were the KC brass too.The previous regime in MIA worked with KC on a draft weekend deal for Surtain in '05, so there is positive history, but that price HAS to come up or it makes no sense for KC.....hell If Carl thinks like me, I would rather save my ego and release him June 1st than take a 6th or 7th for him.

Apples to oranges... Welker's contract is A LOT different than Greens' (dollar-wise).. Besides, what does one deal have to do with the other?I would hope the Dolphins' brass is pissed at CP for even bringing that up in the negotiations -- that's bad business if you ask me... CP, "You guys screwed so-and-so over, so you should let us screw you over... C'mon..."So the Patriots made a bad deal -- we profited from it -- it doesn't mean that we are just going to turn around and fork that profit over to you...Green's value in this league (if you ask GMs around the league), I'd bet would be a lot closer to a 6th than a 2nd and a 6th..Green is 34-years old and coming off a major head injury, and he currently has a very large contract...McNair is the closest thing to this and the Ravens got him for a 4th..He is about the same age as Green, but he wasn't coming off a major injury IIRC... I'm not sure what his contract situation was like..Green's true value is probably about a late 4th OR early 5th round pick...CP can say he wants a 2nd all day, but unless a team in contention has their starter go down in TC, he will NEVER get it..I pray Miami is not stupid enough to pay more than a 5th rounder for him... I'd offer a 6th this year and a conditional pick next year (4th if he starts every game, 6th if he starts 1/2 the season, nothing if he starts less than 1/2 the season)... If KC turns it down, I agree with Gatorman -- let Lemon start if we have to...

It all boils down to leverage. KC has very little because everyone in the NFL knows Green has a huge contract that KC wants to rid themselves of. Teams know they can lowball KC and possibly get him for cheap or wait until they cut him and get him for nothing. It's really pretty simple.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

All I am saying is that there is ego involved here. When MIA will pay a 2 and a 7 for a slot WR and not give up more than a 6th for a proven veteran starting QB, something is wrong. And then you factor in the MIA is somewhat desperate @ QB and they STILL wont give up more.I would be pissed if I were the KC brass too.The previous regime in MIA worked with KC on a draft weekend deal for Surtain in '05, so there is positive history, but that price HAS to come up or it makes no sense for KC.....hell If Carl thinks like me, I would rather save my ego and release him June 1st than take a 6th or 7th for him.

Miami didnt pay anything for a slot WR. They got a 2 and 7 for Welker. Is KCs argument that since New England paid too much for Welker,Miami should pay to much for Green? Good luck with that.McNair didnt go for a 2nd rounder,why would Green? BTW,the only other team to make an offer for Green was Cleveland,and they offered a 5th. Maybe the ego is on the KC side.

LOL sorry Miami received a 2nd and a 7th for Welker, who IS A SLOT WR. He is not big enough or athletic enough to be an X or a Z WR.Miami is naive if they think that they set the market value on trades involving them when NE coughed up that much for Welker. It is NE's fault, this I know, but how can MIA then fold their arms and stare at KC as if to say "Ha, ha. Play our way or don't play at all. We ripped NE and now we are going to rip you!"It is all about ego..the only somewhat viable option I see here is for KC to get MIA's 4th rounder, as KC's 4th rounder is in the hands of the Saints. That is the lowest thing that gets this done, IMO. Anything below a 4th and its off.

 

[massraider]

Green is 34-years old and coming off a major head injury, and he currently has a very large contract...

Green will be 37 when the season starts, by the way. That's a big, big difference.A lot of QB's have performed well at 34. 37? Not so much.

 

[ooofffaaa]

If Wannstadt were still in Miami Treent Green would be a Dolphin right now and KC would have gotten a 2nd rd pick for him.

 

[massraider]

Miami is naive if they think that they set the market value on trades involving them when NE coughed up that much for Welker. It is NE's fault, this I know, but how can MIA then fold their arms and stare at KC as if to say "Ha, ha. Play our way or don't play at all. We ripped NE and now we are going to rip you!"

Could there be a more apples to oranges argument, between a young WR, and an old Qb coming off a brutal injury, with an albatross of a contract?

 

[Dolfan]

Green is 34-years old and coming off a major head injury, and he currently has a very large contract...

Green will be 37 when the season starts, by the way. That's a big, big difference.A lot of QB's have performed well at 34. 37? Not so much.

You are right on both counts...

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Miami is naive if they think that they set the market value on trades involving them when NE coughed up that much for Welker. It is NE's fault, this I know, but how can MIA then fold their arms and stare at KC as if to say "Ha, ha. Play our way or don't play at all. We ripped NE and now we are going to rip you!"

Could there be a more apples to oranges argument, between a young WR, and an old Qb coming off a brutal injury, with an albatross of a contract?

Also a QB who has multiple 4K yard seasons in the 4 season prior to said injury. In many ways he was teh second best QB in the NFL 2002-2005 next to Peyton Manning

 

[Banger]

Miami is naive if they think that they set the market value on trades involving them when NE coughed up that much for Welker. It is NE's fault, this I know, but how can MIA then fold their arms and stare at KC as if to say "Ha, ha. Play our way or don't play at all. We ripped NE and now we are going to rip you!"

Could there be a more apples to oranges argument, between a young WR, and an old Qb coming off a brutal injury, with an albatross of a contract?

Also a QB who has multiple 4K yard seasons in the 4 season prior to said injury. In many ways he was teh second best QB in the NFL 2002-2005 next to Peyton Manning

That was then behind the best line in the business. Last year he had the foot speed of Bledsoe and it looked like the game was far too fast for him. He could be a starter like Brad Johnson was last year but his best days are behind him.

 

[3nOut]

KC does not want to do ANYTHING that helps the Raiders. There is real hate between those teams. Remember, KC said that Trent could be traded to any team outside of the AFC West. Who else was that about? Were the Bronco's going to go for Green? No- Cutler is their future. Were the Chargers going to go after Green? No- Rivers is their man. It was obviously aimed at the Raiders. If KC has to do a deal involving the Raiders they likely will walk. If Miami cuts a player and the Raiders pick them up, then there is not much KC can do about it.

I mentioned something similar in my All-Rumor NFL Mock Draft thread:

I say KC won't trade Trent Green to a division foe until after the Raiders make their choice. By making the deal before the draft, they will basically let Oakland have both Culpepper AND Calvin Johnson. I don't think they'd want to face that twice a year. By not announcing anything, they will force Oakland to take Russell. After the pick, the trade is announced, sending Green to Miami for a mid round pick.

 

[Banger]

I find it kind of ridiculous (and unbelievable) that the Raiders would base who to draft #1 overall on Dante Culpepper's availability. He has had one good game over the past two years and is trying to come back from a major knee injury. If the story is true it shows why the Raiders are where they are.

I'm sure it's been mentioned elsewhere but if the Raiders were so smitten with getting Culpepper so they could draft Johnson why wouldn't they just make a trade for him?

 

[massraider]

I find it kind of ridiculous (and unbelievable) that the Raiders would base who to draft #1 overall on Dante Culpepper's availability. He has had one good game over the past two years and is trying to come back from a major knee injury. If the story is true it shows why the Raiders are where they are.

Ummm, yeah. If the Raiders were that hot for CPepp, one thinks they would have coughed up the 2nd rounder last year for him. Now, with his knee even more of a question mark, they are planning their future around him? I just don't buy it.

 

[Atomic Dawg]

It is all about ego..the only somewhat viable option I see here is for KC to get MIA's 4th rounder, as KC's 4th rounder is in the hands of the Saints. That is the lowest thing that gets this done, IMO. Anything below a 4th and its off.

This is EXACTLY why the Chiefs have not been to a Super Bowl since the 60's. King Carl has a reputation of someone you cannot negotiate with (his own players and coaches included). I agree with some of the others that if the Chiefs are stupid enough not to take a pick for him, Miami should wait and get him right after they cut him in June. This is a team whose window has all but shut for a good run at the Super Bowl, heck, a playoff win! They should take what they can and move forward with making the team young again and rebuild the line and get someone who can catch a ball besides Tony G.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

It is all about ego..the only somewhat viable option I see here is for KC to get MIA's 4th rounder, as KC's 4th rounder is in the hands of the Saints. That is the lowest thing that gets this done, IMO. Anything below a 4th and its off.

This is EXACTLY why the Chiefs have not been to a Super Bowl since the 60's. King Carl has a reputation of someone you cannot negotiate with (his own players and coaches included). I agree with some of the others that if the Chiefs are stupid enough not to take a pick for him, Miami should wait and get him right after they cut him in June. This is a team whose window has all but shut for a good run at the Super Bowl, heck, a playoff win! They should take what they can and move forward with making the team young again and rebuild the line and get someone who can catch a ball besides Tony G.

But your arent biased now, are you?

 

[5Rings]

Miami is naive if they think that they set the market value on trades involving them when NE coughed up that much for Welker. It is NE's fault, this I know, but how can MIA then fold their arms and stare at KC as if to say "Ha, ha. Play our way or don't play at all. We ripped NE and now we are going to rip you!"

Could there be a more apples to oranges argument, between a young WR, and an old Qb coming off a brutal injury, with an albatross of a contract?

Seriously

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Clayton's theory is that the whole top part of the draft depends on the future of Trent Green.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Does this trade make sense to anyone else?

no.

 

[BoltBacker]

Miami is naive if they think that they set the market value on trades involving them when NE coughed up that much for Welker. It is NE's fault, this I know, but how can MIA then fold their arms and stare at KC as if to say "Ha, ha. Play our way or don't play at all. We ripped NE and now we are going to rip you!"

Could there be a more apples to oranges argument, between a young WR, and an old Qb coming off a brutal injury, with an albatross of a contract?

Seriously

It would seem to me that it's a similar situation to McNair/TEN/BAL last year. I think that trade has a lot more to do with what KC might expect in return for Green than anything having to do with the Welker trade.I guess you could argue that McNair was only 33yo at the time of that trade and BAL had more incentive to give up a higher pick because they felt they were a QB away from being a legit SB contender.

 

[Tau837]

Green is 34-years old and coming off a major head injury, and he currently has a very large contract...

Green will be 37 when the season starts, by the way. That's a big, big difference.A lot of QB's have performed well at 34. 37? Not so much.

Exactly. I was going to post this if no one else did. I don't understand why anyone is confused about this.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Because this is not Madden.

 

[Tau837]

Miami is naive if they think that they set the market value on trades involving them when NE coughed up that much for Welker. It is NE's fault, this I know, but how can MIA then fold their arms and stare at KC as if to say "Ha, ha. Play our way or don't play at all. We ripped NE and now we are going to rip you!"

Could there be a more apples to oranges argument, between a young WR, and an old Qb coming off a brutal injury, with an albatross of a contract?

Kevin, no offense, but your stance on this is laughable.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

KC wants MUCH higher than a 5th. They are wanting a 2nd round pick, something better than what MIA got for Welker. I would say KC is looking for a 2nd and a 6th.

Precisely. If all they wanted was a 5th rounder, this deal would already have been done. They want a 2nd and another pick, and Miami is balking. If KC doesn't come down on the price, there won't be a trade.I think Miami would part with a 4th round pick, and if KC decides that's all they're going to get, it could start a domino effect.

How would the deal be done? Miami has no 5th round pick, which is why I thought a three team deal would make sense. I do understand that the Raiders and KC will likely not be trading partners, but other than that, I think it makes sense for all three teams.

Miami could trade a 4th round pick, which I think would be a reasonable middle ground. It's KC who is looking for a 2nd and another pick, so the deal very easily COULD get done without a third party. Your original scenario presented a three team trade where the third party furnished the 5th round pick KC supposedly wants for Green, but the fact is, they want a 2nd rounder, PLUS another pick. I don't know where the 5th rounder came from, but it's a moot point. Miami and KC can make a deal without a third team if they agree on a price.

Clayton reporting that Green to Miami for their fourth rounder will happen before the draft begins.

 

[The Jacket]

Be a major steal if the Chiefs get a 4 for Green.

 

[Lord of the Rings]

Just saw that the Seahawks might get a 4th from SF for D. Jackson.

T. Green=D. Jackson??? I'm having a hard time believing that.