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Why did Cincy draft Tyler Eifert? (1 Viewer)

They don't use him. They barely use Gresham, who is pretty good in certain circumstances, so why get another play-making TE if you're not going to use the one you have?

The Bengals had many other needs. Why draft Eifert?

 
wait until Gresham is gone, hes a FA in 2015 but he might not even be worth the 2 plus million hes scheduled to make next yr

 
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BPA and Gresham's contract is up after next year. Regardless of how well the OC +/- game plan includes TE, teams will still actually need to draft them.

 
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I guess I figured they had the potential to be a stud double-TE option offense like New England has run.

My concern is that even when Gresham, who they don't use much, leaves-- why should we think they're suddenly going to use Eifert?

I don't know Cincy, that's why I'm asking here.

 
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Yeah, but they don't really use Gresham, either.
To begin with Eifert was one of the highest rated offensive skill players in the draft, Cin didn't need him but couldn't pass him up either. Todays NFL places a lot of value on 2 skilled receiving TEs.

Prolem is their canceling each other's production out, instead of one TE getting 6 or 7 recs u got 2 TEs getting 2 or 4 each. From what I see Gresham would get more but seems to make a lot of mental errors which is why hes being replaced.

 
Yeah, but they don't really use Gresham, either.
To begin with Eifert was one of the highest rated offensive skill players in the draft, Cin didn't need him but couldn't pass him up either. Todays NFL places a lot of value on 2 skilled receiving TEs.

Prolem is their canceling each other's production out, instead of one TE getting 6 or 7 recs u got 2 TEs getting 2 or 4 each. From what I see Gresham would get more but seems to make a lot of mental errors which is why hes being replaced.
Thanks, that's kind of the stuff I was looking for. Again, I don't really follow the Bengals.

 
TE's have to learn a role in the passing game AND a role in the blocking game. Make the learning curve much harder...

 
he's a rookie and there really aren't enough balls to go around....they are throwing for 300 yards a week and have all world AJ Green, Marvin Jones who's emerging, Bernard is threat from the backfield and then there's Eifert. I don't know that that pecking order will change a lot going forward either...too many mouths to feed.

 
Eifert IMO has future stud written all over him.

Be paitent. TE's take a little time to develop.

In time he will be an every week TE1.

 
Yeah, but they don't really use Gresham, either.
To begin with Eifert was one of the highest rated offensive skill players in the draft, Cin didn't need him but couldn't pass him up either. Todays NFL places a lot of value on 2 skilled receiving TEs.

Prolem is their canceling each other's production out, instead of one TE getting 6 or 7 recs u got 2 TEs getting 2 or 4 each. From what I see Gresham would get more but seems to make a lot of mental errors which is why hes being replaced.
Eifert was highly rated but if they don't have a use for a pass catching TE then why spend a high pick on him regardless of his rating? If they had taken Trufant they'd be in much better shape right now.

 
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TE's have to learn a role in the passing game AND a role in the blocking game. Make the learning curve much harder...
Right, I don't expect much this year but it seems the Bengals like using high picks on TE's they don't fully utilize.

 
Eifert was highly rated but if they don't have a use for a pass catching TE then why spend a high pick on him regardless of his rating? If they had taken Trufant they'd be in much better shape right now.
I don't think they had 2013 in mind when they drafted him. They'll continue altering their offense to accommodate him, and he'll cotinue to grow as a player.

 
Yeah, but they don't really use Gresham, either.
To begin with Eifert was one of the highest rated offensive skill players in the draft, Cin didn't need him but couldn't pass him up either. Todays NFL places a lot of value on 2 skilled receiving TEs.

Prolem is their canceling each other's production out, instead of one TE getting 6 or 7 recs u got 2 TEs getting 2 or 4 each. From what I see Gresham would get more but seems to make a lot of mental errors which is why hes being replaced.
Thanks, that's kind of the stuff I was looking for. Again, I don't really follow the Bengals.
Yes, Gresham is not the stud they'd hoped when drafting him in round one. I have only seen a small sampling of Bengals games but he consistently strikes me as a guy who will often shy away from contact and/or gator arm balls in traffic. He does play big when he has the ball in the open field but doesn't play nearly so big getting the ball when contested.

Eifert was highly rated but if they don't have a use for a pass catching TE then why spend a high pick on him regardless of his rating? If they had taken Trufant they'd be in much better shape right now.
I don't think they had 2013 in mind when they drafted him. They'll continue altering their offense to accommodate him, and he'll cotinue to grow as a player.
I agree. I aslo agree with KellysHeroes1 that Gresham has a good chance of being a cap casualty and Eifert's development could be fast tracked next year.

 
EBF has a three paragraph answer coming soon..

Eiferts problem is Dalton. He can't throw the ball to himself.

 
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The answer is that it is a combination of three things, aside form the obvious fact that he was likely the best player available and Gresham is not looking like he will be there beyond next season.

First, the Offensive coordinator Gruden has a good mind for the popular two TE sets that many teams have had recent success with. In a copycat league, Gruden and the popular formation make a lot of sense.

Second, as people have pointed out, the two TEs tend to dilute the overall fantasy production that might result if only one was featured but Dalton is no Brady when he had Gronkowski and Hernandez and it is just not going to materialize that way. In real life it is working well. The team is able to line up in many formations that can play to their strengths and disguise formations.

Third (and the real nitty gritty of it all) is that while the idea and concept is solid, the personnel do not match up. What works (ed) in New England and New Orleans with such a dominant TE is because the TE is also just as good as any other player on the team in stretching the field and they can be a huge part of the deep routes in the seams. It does not work in Cincinnati because those routes and especially the deep outside routes are best run by Green and Jones and Sanu and even Hawkins.§

 
They don't use him. They barely use Gresham, who is pretty good in certain circumstances, so why get another play-making TE if you're not going to use the one you have?

The Bengals had many other needs. Why draft Eifert?
What other needs? There weren't any safeties or CBs worth that pick. They were actually in a perfect position from a personnel standpoint to just draft BPA. And Eifert was that.

The reason Eifert isn't getting more playing time is because he can't block worth a lick. I counted 5 missed blocks alone last night (most notably on Gio's 35 yard TD run). He'll get it eventually. Then his snaps and, as a result, his targets will increase. And when this happens (especially if Gresham leaves), LOOK OUT.

 
he couldnt block my mom. and shes a beast

Andy seems to always target a WR, right or wrong, Sanu,Jones,AJ, lots of mouths to feed outside of AJ none of them will be consistent

 
As has been alluded to, Gresham plays like a coward and is wholly unreliable when the team needs him.

 
Gresham had an amazing college career (with the much maligned on these boards Sam Bradford throwing to him), and never made much of an impact in the NFL.

I have a feeling that has to do with gameplan and Dalton. Some offenses just don't utilize the TE as much as others. As a result, I wouldn't expect much from Eifert's days with the Bengals, regardless of how high a draft pick was spent for him.

 
I didn't know this until just now but PFF has graded Gresham as the worst TE in both 2012 (-16.4) and so far in 2013 (-17.4).

Ouch.

 
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I didn't know this until just now but PFF has graded Gresham as the worst TE in both 2012 (-16.4) and so far in 2013 (-17.4).

Ouch.
Compare that to what he did his last year in college. Got to think gameplan and QB had something to do with the drop off.

2008

Sporting News First Team All-American ... AP and Walter Camp Second Team All-American ... All-Big 12 first team by the coaches and second team by AP ... finalist for the Mackey Award ... No. 2 on the team in receptions (66) and yards (950) while leading with TDs (14) ... had more touchdown grabs during the season than any TE in school history ... his total ranks No. 2 second all-time behind Mark Clayton (15) among all Sooners ... career total of 26 receiving TDs is second best behind Clayton's 31 ... receiving yards (950) are the most ever by a TE in a season while receptions (66) ranked second in the tight end category ... had five games of at least 90 yards receiving and eight with at least five receptions ... caught multiple TDs in five games and at least one TD in nine ... had a career day against Oklahoma State with a career-long 73-yard reception, a career-high nine catches and a career-high 158 yards to go along with two touchdowns ... eight catches for 82 yards in the Big 12 Championship ... eight grabs for 62 yards and two TD in the BCS title game.

 
Oh, please. Anyone who saw their playoff game in Houston when he short-armed everything and let his entire team (and city) down knows the guy is just worthless. He was Dalton's go-to guy but couldn't care less.

 
They don't use him. They barely use Gresham, who is pretty good in certain circumstances, so why get another play-making TE if you're not going to use the one you have?

The Bengals had many other needs. Why draft Eifert?
I'll bite. Let's hear them.

It was a luxury pick and I simply don't agree that they had other more pressing needs to fill. The worst positions on the team are safety and center and I didn't hear too many people screaming to pick one of those in rd1. My personal opinion is that if they didn't take Eifert they were taking Gio. Since they landed Gio at 37 anyway, it really didn't matter. By far the main need going into that draft was getting more options for Dalton. Eifert has helped in that regard in spite of his awful blocking.

 
Yeah, but they don't really use Gresham, either.
To begin with Eifert was one of the highest rated offensive skill players in the draft, Cin didn't need him but couldn't pass him up either. Todays NFL places a lot of value on 2 skilled receiving TEs.

Prolem is their canceling each other's production out, instead of one TE getting 6 or 7 recs u got 2 TEs getting 2 or 4 each. From what I see Gresham would get more but seems to make a lot of mental errors which is why hes being replaced.
1. They have one of the best WRs in the game. He's going to get his targets.

2. Gresham actually has the 2nd most receptions on the team.

3. Jones, Sanu, Gresham, Eifert and Gio are within 6 receptions of each other. There's simply too many mouths to feed to expect a rookie TE to be a FF stud.

 
I didn't know this until just now but PFF has graded Gresham as the worst TE in both 2012 (-16.4) and so far in 2013 (-17.4).

Ouch.
Wow. What's that based on? Drops?
Nope, only 1 drop. He's been by far the worst run blocker (-14.6), the next worst was Julius Thomas (-7.8). He also has 8 penalties - next highest is 3 (bunch of players tied).

 
They don't use him. They barely use Gresham, who is pretty good in certain circumstances, so why get another play-making TE if you're not going to use the one you have?

The Bengals had many other needs. Why draft Eifert?
Tyler Eifert has played more snaps than Gio Bernard, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, or Marvin Jones. He also had more targets in the passing game than Jones and Bernard coming into last night. Cincy's using him plenty. IIRC, only San Fran spends a lower percentage of its snaps with more than 2 WRs on the field. 2TE is the Bengals base offense this year.

Tight End is typically the position that takes the longest time to become fantasy relevant. Since 1980, only 7 rookie TEs have topped 40 yards per game, and only 3 have topped 4 receptions per game. Eifert's averaging nearly 50% more receptions and yards per game than Jason Witten did his rookie year. Ditto that for Jimmy Graham, Tony Gonzalez, Vernon Davis, and Antonio Gates. Outside of the TDs, Eifert's stats are nearly identical to Rob Gronkowski's as a rookie (3.0 receptions for 34.1 yards per game for Eifert, 2.6 receptions for 34.1 yards per game for The Gronk).

Eifert's fine. All rookie TEs suck, even the good ones. Can't judge them until year 2 at the earliest.

 
People complained in GB about Finely being drafted round 3 and a bust during his rookie year. Look at him now... Well... You know what I mean.

Thing is, people expect rookies to explode onto the scene. That is so rare. RBs sure. WRs, well there used to be a 3 year rule but that seems to be more of a guideline than a rule for most WRs. TEs... I can't really recall a rookie TE being lights out right away. Was Gates a rookie for his coming out party?

I do see the question/concern. I always was high on Gresham because he was picked high and he's a matchup nightmare. But the bengals don't seem to use him to his full potential. Now eifert. It's puzzling. I'll give Eifert another year or two before I write him off. But, if I a keeper or dynasty owner I would love to have him on my team. He's on my radar next year

 
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People complained in GB about Finely being drafted round 3 and a bust during his rookie year. Look at him now... Well... You know what I mean.

Thing is, people expect rookies to explode onto the scene. That is so rare. RBs sure. WRs, well there used to be a 3 year rule but that seems to be more of a guideline than a rule for most WRs. TEs... I can't really recall a rookie TE being lights out right away. Was Gates a rookie for his coming out party?

I do see the question/concern. I always was high on Gresham because he was picked high and he's a matchup nightmare. But the bengals don't seem to use him to his full potential. Now eifert. It's puzzling. I'll give Eifert another year or two before I write him off. But, if I a keeper or dynasty owner I would love to have him on my team. He's on my radar next year
Nope, Gates was a sophomore.

Basically, since 2000 the only TEs who were startable fantasy players in their rookie season were Jeremy Shockey, Aaron Hernandez, Rob Gronkowski, and now Jordan Reed.

 
People complained in GB about Finely being drafted round 3 and a bust during his rookie year. Look at him now... Well... You know what I mean.

Thing is, people expect rookies to explode onto the scene. That is so rare. RBs sure. WRs, well there used to be a 3 year rule but that seems to be more of a guideline than a rule for most WRs. TEs... I can't really recall a rookie TE being lights out right away. Was Gates a rookie for his coming out party?

I do see the question/concern. I always was high on Gresham because he was picked high and he's a matchup nightmare. But the bengals don't seem to use him to his full potential. Now eifert. It's puzzling. I'll give Eifert another year or two before I write him off. But, if I a keeper or dynasty owner I would love to have him on my team. He's on my radar next year
Nope, Gates was a sophomore.

Basically, since 2000 the only TEs who were startable fantasy players in their rookie season were Jeremy Shockey, Aaron Hernandez, Rob Gronkowski, and now Jordan Reed.
Basically good quarterbacks who needed another receiver.

 
People complained in GB about Finely being drafted round 3 and a bust during his rookie year. Look at him now... Well... You know what I mean.

Thing is, people expect rookies to explode onto the scene. That is so rare. RBs sure. WRs, well there used to be a 3 year rule but that seems to be more of a guideline than a rule for most WRs. TEs... I can't really recall a rookie TE being lights out right away. Was Gates a rookie for his coming out party?

I do see the question/concern. I always was high on Gresham because he was picked high and he's a matchup nightmare. But the bengals don't seem to use him to his full potential. Now eifert. It's puzzling. I'll give Eifert another year or two before I write him off. But, if I a keeper or dynasty owner I would love to have him on my team. He's on my radar next year
Nope, Gates was a sophomore.

Basically, since 2000 the only TEs who were startable fantasy players in their rookie season were Jeremy Shockey, Aaron Hernandez, Rob Gronkowski, and now Jordan Reed.
Basically good quarterbacks who needed another receiver.
I started Tim Wright last week and was pleased with the outcome. :)

 
Since 1990, fifty rookie TEs have topped 20 receiving yards per game (minimum 4 games played). Here's the complete list. I've gone ahead and highlighted some of the more interesting names. The final column is the player's receiving yard per game average.

NAME POS YR AGE EXP G REC RECYD YD/REC RECTD FANT PT

1 Jordan Reed te 2013 23 1 6 34 388 11.41 2 50.8 64.67

2 Jeremy Shockey te 2002 22 1 15 74 894 12.08 2 101.4 59.60

3 Cameron Cleeland te 1998 23 1 16 54 684 12.67 6 104.4 42.75

4 Aaron Hernandez te 2010 21 1 14 45 563 12.51 6 97.0 40.21

5 Ken Dilger te 1995 24 1 16 42 635 15.12 4 87.5 39.69

6 John Carlson te 2008 24 1 16 55 627 11.40 5 92.7 39.19

7 Freddie Jones te 1997 23 1 13 41 505 12.32 2 62.5 38.85

8 Tony Moeaki te 2010 23 1 15 47 556 11.83 3 73.6 37.07

9 Tyler Eifert te 2013 23 1 8 24 293 12.21 1 35.3 36.63

10 Tony McGee te 1993 22 1 15 44 525 11.93 0 52.5 35.00

11 Jim Price te 1991 25 1 12 35 410 11.71 2 53.0 34.17

12 Rob Gronkowski te 2010 21 1 16 42 546 13.00 10 114.6 34.13

13 Dallas Clark te 2003 24 1 10 29 340 11.72 1 40.0 34.00

14 Dustin Keller te 2008 24 1 16 48 535 11.15 3 71.5 33.44

15 Pete Mitchell te 1995 24 1 16 41 527 12.85 2 64.7 32.94

16 Dwayne Allen te 2012 22 1 16 45 521 11.58 3 70.6 32.56

17 Brandon Pettigrew te 2009 24 1 11 31 352 11.35 2 47.2 32.00

18 Jermaine Gresham te 2010 22 1 15 52 471 9.06 4 71.1 31.40

19 Randy McMichael te 2002 23 1 16 39 485 12.44 4 73.3 30.31

20 Eric Green te 1990 23 1 13 34 387 11.38 7 80.7 29.77

21 Tim Wright te 2013 23 1 7 20 201 10.05 1 26.1 28.71

22 Heath Miller te 2005 23 1 16 39 459 11.77 6 81.9 28.69

23 Mikhael Ricks te 1998 24 1 16 30 450 15.00 2 57.0 28.13

24 Greg Olsen te 2007 22 1 14 39 391 10.03 2 51.1 27.93

25 Zach Miller te 2007 22 1 16 44 444 10.09 3 62.4 27.75

26 Vernon Davis te 2006 22 1 10 20 265 13.25 3 45.0 26.50

27 Antonio Gates te 2003 23 1 15 24 389 16.21 2 50.9 25.93

28 Doug Jolley te 2002 23 1 16 32 409 12.78 2 52.9 25.56

29 Stephen Alexander te 1998 23 1 15 37 383 10.35 4 62.3 25.53

30 Owen Daniels te 2006 24 1 14 34 352 10.35 5 65.2 25.14

31 Zach Ertz te 2013 23 1 8 14 201 14.36 0 20.1 25.13

32 Jamie Asher te 1995 23 1 7 14 172 12.29 0 17.2 24.57

33 Rickey Dudley te 1996 24 1 16 34 386 11.35 4 62.6 24.13

34 Jimmy Graham te 2010 24 1 15 31 356 11.48 5 65.9 23.73

35 Ben Troupe te 2004 22 1 14 33 329 9.97 1 38.9 23.50

36 Lance Kendricks te 2011 23 1 15 28 352 12.57 0 34.4 23.47

37 Coby Fleener te 2012 24 1 12 26 281 10.81 2 40.1 23.42

38 Aaron Shea te 2000 24 1 13 30 302 10.07 2 42.2 23.23

39 Jason Witten te 2003 21 1 15 35 347 9.91 1 40.7 23.13

40 Tony Gonzalez te 1997 21 1 16 33 368 11.15 2 48.8 23.00

41 Alex Smith te 2005 23 1 16 41 367 8.95 2 48.7 22.94

42 Bubba Franks te 2000 22 1 16 34 363 10.68 1 42.3 22.69

43 Eric Johnson te 2001 22 1 16 40 362 9.05 3 54.2 22.63

44 Josh Norman te 2002 22 1 9 16 201 12.56 1 26.1 22.33

45 Tony Scheffler te 2006 23 1 13 18 286 15.89 4 52.9 22.00

46 L.J. Smith te 2003 23 1 15 27 321 11.89 1 38.1 21.40

47 Andrew Jordan te 1994 22 1 16 35 336 9.60 0 33.6 21.00

48 Jerramy Stevens te 2002 23 1 12 26 252 9.69 3 43.2 21.00

49 Jason Dunn te 1996 23 1 16 15 332 22.13 2 45.2 20.75

50 Alge Crumpler te 2001 24 1 16 25 330 13.20 3 51.0 20.63

 
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Not concerned about Eifert at all. They are confident in his abilities - they line him up wide often. He goes up against corners. He has the skill to separate deep.

But, like others have mentioned, he is a rookie. He's only played 63% of the snaps for the season, while Gresham has been in on almost every meaningful snap.

Eifert will be a very good player in 2014 and beyond.

 
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He's a rookie TE. The question is; why did you draft him, if you did so expecting 2013 production?
Some people play in 1.5 PPR for TE leagues.
Or he was just seriously just wondering why the Bengals did draft him.
Yep! Ultimately, I didn't think he would be a day-1 fantasy stud but when I looked at how little the Bengals used Gresham, I was wondering why 1) they spent a first round pick on another and 2) why everyone assumes Eifert will be a fantasy stud if/when Gresham moves on? He may very well be a super talented player, but if they don't use him, he'd be fantasy irrelevant.

Anyway, question since answered. I appreciate all the info from everyone!

 
ANY chance Gresham is gone next year? :kicksrock:
From what I understand, it's possible but unlikely. Maybe some Cincy homers can weigh in with more than that.

Ultimately, Eifert is playing a comparable snap percentage to Jordan Reed right now. The problem is targets more than snaps. Eifert had 35 targets in his first 8 games (about 4.5 per game). Reed has 44 targets through just 6 games (about 7.3 per game). In that respect, I don't know that it's Gresham holding him back as much as the combination of Gresham, Sanu, Jones, and Bernard. Including Eifert, the Bengals have six players averaging 4+ targets per game (Green has 80+ total targets, and the other five all fall between 30 and 40). Including Reed, Washington has four guys getting more than 5 targets per game, and nobody else is even getting 3.

Ultimately, it's not a scenario that has a clear solution. It's not like Eifert owners just need Gresham to leave and then he'll be a star. The best path to fantasy relevance for Tyler Eifert right now has nothing to do with what happens to his teammates and everything to do with Eifert himself just continuing to improve until such a point that Dalton has no choice but to throw it to him.

 

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