Why did Shonn Green get more carries than T Jones (1 Viewer)

[xenon]

Sorry if this has already been discussed but I did not see the game and have not heard/read/seen any football related info in a couple of days. Any insight would be appreciated.

Thanks

 

[benm3218]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=515639

 

[Sam Quentin]

They've been resting him all year, so he didn't get hurt.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=515639

That has nothing on why Greene got more carries than T Jones this past week.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Sorry if this has already been discussed but I did not see the game and have not heard/read/seen any football related info in a couple of days. Any insight would be appreciated.Thanks

They mentioned in Week 17 how T. Jones was beat up and had heavy legs from carrying the load all season, so maybe he was still not 100%.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Curious about this as well. T Jones going to get 20 carries in SD?

 

[QuizGuy66]

Honestly - I think it was because he was more effective on his plays and thus got more work. In the 37-0 game, Jones really didn't have a great rushing average (27 carries for 78 yards). Greene's style was more problematic for my Who Deys.

-QG

 

[FantasyTrader]

Honestly - I think it was because he was more effective on his plays and thus got more work. In the 37-0 game, Jones really didn't have a great rushing average (27 carries for 78 yards). Greene's style was more problematic for my Who Deys.-QG

I have absolutely nothing to back this up, but my hunch is that it goes deeper than this. I think Greene is building the coaching staff's trust and is working himself into somewhat of a timeshare now. Particularly given Jones' age, the Jets are probably feeling like it's time to slowly begin the transition.

 

[gianmarco]

Honestly - I think it was because he was more effective on his plays and thus got more work. In the 37-0 game, Jones really didn't have a great rushing average (27 carries for 78 yards). Greene's style was more problematic for my Who Deys.-QG

I have absolutely nothing to back this up, but my hunch is that it goes deeper than this. I think Greene is building the coaching staff's trust and is working himself into somewhat of a timeshare now. Particularly given Jones' age, the Jets are probably feeling like it's time to slowly begin the transition.

The playoffs is not the time to start doing this unless they felt T. Jones was ineffective or Greene just gave them a better shot. You don't start "transitioning" in the postseason.

 

[NYRAGE]

Jones had to play with a brace on his knee.

 

[LBH]

Its becoming pretty obvious that Greene is a better runner the Jones. Jones is steady and has taken better care of the football but Greene is more explosive. Unless Greene fumbles im expecting the carry distribution to be pretty even

 

[gradin123]

Jones had to play with a brace on his knee.

Yes, he did. He probably is playing with a sprained knee right now. Because of that Greene has gotten more opportunites of late and has been the more effective runner of late. Greene also hasn't fumbled recently so the coaching staff has shown more confidence in him.I noticed in the last game that Jones still got more carries late when the Jets were trying to milk the clock but whenever the game was on the line Greene was the feature runner

 

[The Moz]

Its becoming pretty obvious that Greene is a better runner the Jones. Jones is steady and has taken better care of the football but Greene is more explosive. Unless Greene fumbles im expecting the carry distribution to be pretty even

pretty true -- Greene is just better , stronger , and hell even faster.

 

[The_Man]

Why did the Redskins give Timmy Smith more carries than George Rogers in Super Bowl XXII?

Because, as the Jets know better than anyone, YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.

Looks like they thought Greene gave them the best chance of winning vs. Cincy.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

Its becoming pretty obvious that Greene is a better runner the Jones. Jones is steady and has taken better care of the football but Greene is more explosive. Unless Greene fumbles im expecting the carry distribution to be pretty even

Watching the game, it was evident that Greene is more explosive and fresher at this point in the season, so the coaching staff kept going with the hot hand.

 

[Team Smokin']

Its becoming pretty obvious that Greene is a better runner the Jones. Jones is steady and has taken better care of the football but Greene is more explosive. Unless Greene fumbles im expecting the carry distribution to be pretty even

Watching the game, it was evident that Greene is more explosive and fresher at this point in the season, so the coaching staff kept going with the hot hand.

I agree!Plus, why not mix it some and throw Cincinnati another wrinkle.Perhaps resting Jones as much as they did will benefit them in their next playoff bid against the Chargers. Lots of reasons - when you watched S Greene run and the damage he provided - ride the hot hand. Same thing happened for Dallas. Barber essentially a non-factor. F Jones stole the show. Ride the hot hand with young, fresh legs. It throws off the Defense just enough.

 

[JohnnyU]

Someone is always threatening to take Thomas Jones' job, and usually does. It's happened everywhere he's been.

 

[BRONG]

This was not the only game of late where Greene clearly looked like the new lead back. If Jones doesn't break one in mop-up time in the prior game, and get a goal line TD for that matter, his numbers would show as much.

In my mind, Greene is the #1 back now.

 

[JJP]

Does one get the feeling that whatever Thomas Jones does or accomplishes, its never enough? He played great with the Bears, but Jerry Angelo just had to draft Benson. Benson finally had a good season in 2009, but the way things were going in Chicago, he should've been launched before Jones. Jones has a monster year in 2008 and what do all the fantasy experts say going into 2009? Avoid Thomas Jones. One can't help but wonder if he's going to have to prove himself over Greene next year.

 

[BRONG]

Does one get the feeling that whatever Thomas Jones does or accomplishes, its never enough? He played great with the Bears, but Jerry Angelo just had to draft Benson. Benson finally had a good season in 2009, but the way things were going in Chicago, he should've been launched before Jones. Jones has a monster year in 2008 and what do all the fantasy experts say going into 2009? Avoid Thomas Jones. One can't help but wonder if he's going to have to prove himself over Greene next year.

Of course he is going to have to prove himself, why shouldn't he? Can you honestly say Jones looks better than Greene right now? He doesn't. I owned Jones this year, and I don't play dynasty, so please don't bother with that side of things.You'll see this weekend why, if you haven't already.

 

[gradin123]

Does one get the feeling that whatever Thomas Jones does or accomplishes, its never enough? He played great with the Bears, but Jerry Angelo just had to draft Benson. Benson finally had a good season in 2009, but the way things were going in Chicago, he should've been launched before Jones. Jones has a monster year in 2008 and what do all the fantasy experts say going into 2009? Avoid Thomas Jones. One can't help but wonder if he's going to have to prove himself over Greene next year.

Of course he is going to have to prove himself, why shouldn't he? Can you honestly say Jones looks better than Greene right now? He doesn't. I owned Jones this year, and I don't play dynasty, so please don't bother with that side of things.You'll see this weekend why, if you haven't already.

Not really fair to Thomas. Greene does look better right now but it is also obvious Thomas Jones has a injured knee right now. The Jets are trying to downplay his injury for obvious reasons but you don't play with a brace on your knee for fun. If last weeks game were an early regular season game I think Thomas Jones would have sat out.The Jets were playing Greene more anyways the last couple of weeks but the injury to Jones is what caused Greene to be the featured runner last week.

 

[Topes]

Honestly - I think it was because he was more effective on his plays and thus got more work. In the 37-0 game, Jones really didn't have a great rushing average (27 carries for 78 yards). Greene's style was more problematic for my Who Deys.-QG

I have absolutely nothing to back this up, but my hunch is that it goes deeper than this. I think Greene is building the coaching staff's trust and is working himself into somewhat of a timeshare now. Particularly given Jones' age, the Jets are probably feeling like it's time to slowly begin the transition.

The playoffs is not the time to start doing this unless they felt T. Jones was ineffective or Greene just gave them a better shot. You don't start "transitioning" in the postseason.

I'd tend to agree. I'd love for this to be true, as a Greene owner, but I still see Jones getting back into the mix.Though Thomas Jones' catches have dropped off significantly this season (which I put on Sanchez), Shonn Greene has yet to catch a single pass in the NFL (I can also put that on Sanchez). All that said. Greene is hotter at the moment, and the Jets may very well ride him as long as they can this Sunday. If so, however, they'd be doing so because he's hot, rather than a deliberate transition from one starter to another. Those types of moves are typically done early-season or mid-season.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Does one get the feeling that whatever Thomas Jones does or accomplishes, its never enough? He played great with the Bears, but Jerry Angelo just had to draft Benson. Benson finally had a good season in 2009, but the way things were going in Chicago, he should've been launched before Jones. Jones has a monster year in 2008 and what do all the fantasy experts say going into 2009? Avoid Thomas Jones. One can't help but wonder if he's going to have to prove himself over Greene next year.

Maybe get himself born 5 years later?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I think as a general rule, guys hate playing with knee braces, especially backs and wr's, so if he was wearing a brace, something is probably pretty bad....

 

[Multiple Scores]

I REALLY don't think TJ is back next year, he wants more money and I just don't see the Jets paying him a fortune when they have Greene on the team who is making 3rd round pick money, I would rather take the 8 million the Jets are going to have to pay TJ for him to be satisfied and bring in help at other positions. Even if TJ is better at this point than Greene, he's not 20 times better which is how much more money he'll want than what Greene gets. What's a 3rd round pick get anyhow, 400k?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Someone is always threatening to take Thomas Jones' job, and usually does. It's happened everywhere he's been.

Thomas Jones has had the most carries in the NFL over the past 3 years. Not quite the same as when he was in TB and Chicago.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

This was not the only game of late where Greene clearly looked like the new lead back. If Jones doesn't break one in mop-up time in the prior game, and get a goal line TD for that matter, his numbers would show as much.In my mind, Greene is the #1 back now.

Only reason is because T Jones is injured and beat up at the moment.

 

[BRONG]

Honestly - I think it was because he was more effective on his plays and thus got more work. In the 37-0 game, Jones really didn't have a great rushing average (27 carries for 78 yards). Greene's style was more problematic for my Who Deys.

-QG

I have absolutely nothing to back this up, but my hunch is that it goes deeper than this. I think Greene is building the coaching staff's trust and is working himself into somewhat of a timeshare now. Particularly given Jones' age, the Jets are probably feeling like it's time to slowly begin the transition.

The playoffs is not the time to start doing this unless they felt T. Jones was ineffective or Greene just gave them a better shot. You don't start "transitioning" in the postseason.

I'd tend to agree. I'd love for this to be true, as a Greene owner, but I still see Jones getting back into the mix.

Though Thomas Jones' catches have dropped off significantly this season (which I put on Sanchez), Shonn Greene has yet to catch a single pass in the NFL (I can also put that on Sanchez).

All that said. Greene is hotter at the moment, and the Jets may very well ride him as long as they can this Sunday. If so, however, they'd be doing so because he's hot, rather than a deliberate transition from one starter to another. Those types of moves are typically done early-season or mid-season.

"hotter at the moment"? I don't get that. Not for RBs, anyway. For a 3-point shooter, sure. Greene just looks like the better runner right now -- more burst.Jones may be run-down, and that is why Greene looks better and they are going with him. Jones ran behind a great line, obviously...one that a LOT of NFL backs would do well with. And now, a younger, fresher back is proving that and more. Hats off to Ryan actually, for not being so stubborn as to stick with his veteran at all costs -- a theory too many subscribe to. Dance with who brung you, blah, blah, blah, whatever cliche you want. Why, when she's on one leg? What's best for the team right now is Greene.

I'm no Ryan/Jets fan, but I think they're spot on with who they're using now.

 

[BRONG]

This was not the only game of late where Greene clearly looked like the new lead back. If Jones doesn't break one in mop-up time in the prior game, and get a goal line TD for that matter, his numbers would show as much.

In my mind, Greene is the #1 back now.

Only reason is because T Jones is injured and beat up at the moment.

You don't know that. Jones may indeed be worked, but you don't know that that's the only reason.

 

[JohnnyU]

Someone is always threatening to take Thomas Jones' job, and usually does. It's happened everywhere he's been.

Thomas Jones has had the most carries in the NFL over the past 3 years. Not quite the same as when he was in TB and Chicago.

That doesn't change the fact that someone is always waiting in the wings to take his job. It's happend everywhere he's been, Ariz, TB, Chicago, and now in NY.

 

[Topes]

I REALLY don't think TJ is back next year, he wants more money and I just don't see the Jets paying him a fortune when they have Greene on the team who is making 3rd round pick money, I would rather take the 8 million the Jets are going to have to pay TJ for him to be satisfied and bring in help at other positions. Even if TJ is better at this point than Greene, he's not 20 times better which is how much more money he'll want than what Greene gets. What's a 3rd round pick get anyhow, 400k?

Looks like $628,530.Shonn Greene Cap Figures

Thomas Jones Cap Figures

Some of this depends yet on how this Sunday's game unfolds, and if the Jets advance.

But the Jones cap situation is indeed interesting. Uncapped or not, I'm leaning toward thinking he's worth his contract price to the team. That said, he wants a better deal. This could fork in all sorts of directions.

 

[gpthatsme]

Any new thoughts on this RRBC from today's game against the Chargers?

 

[MrSoup]

I'm thinking the Shonn Greene bandwagon heading into 2010 is gonna be a full ride.

 

[Sam Quentin]

They've been resting him all year, so he didn't get hurt.

bumping my own post...