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[Raider Nation]

Other than Leinart being taller, I see some similarities.

- Both of them are flaky, noodle-armed lefties who played in Los Angeles.

- Both played with lots of NFL talent against awful PAC-10 defenses.

- McCown was charged with the illegal posession of a handicapped parking pass.

- Leinart was charged with the illegal posession of a bad MAN-PERM.

Leinart had nothing left to prove after his junior season. He had won the Heisman

trophy, he had won the National Championship, and he was a virtual LOCK to be

the 1st overall pick by the Niners. So what does he do? He comes back to school

so that he can take Ballroom Dancing and be the Big Man on Campus.

Anyone with the tiniest best of fire and competitiveness would have come out.

I've heard it sent up a red flag with several personnel men when he stayed at SC.

What the hell... I'll walk out on the ledge and call my shot.

LEINART WILL BE A BUST!!!

Who's with me?!?!?!

 

[BRONG]

How is Leinart flaky?

 

[Irish]

Other than Leinart being taller, I see some similarities.

- Both of them are flaky, noodle-armed lefties who played in Los Angeles.

- Both played with lots of NFL talent against awful PAC-10 defenses.

- McCown was charged with the illegal posession of a handicapped parking pass.

- Leinart was charged with the illegal posession of a bad MAN-PERM.

Leinart had nothing left to prove after his junior season. He had won the Heisman

trophy, he had won the National Championship, and he was a virtual LOCK to be

the 1st overall pick by the Niners. So what does he do? He comes back to school

so that he can take Ballroom Dancing and be the Big Man on Campus.

Anyone with the tiniest best of fire and competitiveness would have come out.

I've heard it sent up a red flag with several personnel men when he stayed at SC.

What the hell... I'll walk out on the ledge and call my shot.

LEINART WILL BE A BUST!!!

Who's with me?!?!?!

I don't know if he'll be a total bust, but I'm not that high on him to begin with. He will not live up to the hype or his draft position.

 

[Bears_Man2]

I'm not a big Leinart fan at all, but Cade McNown sucked as bad as a person as he did in the NFL. Leinart's given no indication he's going to be the headcase McNown was.

I don't think he'll be a bust, but my expectations for him might not be to be much better than the average NFL starter.

 

[SoloMatisse]

Im not sure Im stepping out on the ledge with you here, RN, because I dont really want to get into the McCown/Leinart comparison, though they do have some similarities. Leinart seems to have some skills, and he's a winner. Thats an intangible that you cant measure. But if he goes to New Orleans with the 2nd pick, it may just be that he's doomed. Kindof just about ANY QB that goes to Chicago....which ironically is where McCown played. Nice point about passing on the big bucks and the chance to play for San Fran so that he could stick around and take ball room dancing....thats an intangible that I think pretty much goes in the other direction. Personally, I think he'd be rock solid on 80% of the teams in the NFL, but those teams picking early like the Saints give most players little chance for success.

 

[mbuehner]

noodle-armed

 

[MLBrandow]

noodle-armed

 

[Raider Nation]

noodle-armed

The one main issue scouts have with Leinart is his lack of arm strength.

 

[Raider Nation]

But if he goes to New Orleans with the 2nd pick, it may just be that he's doomed.

Yet another reason for my prediction.

 

[saintfool]

Leinart had nothing left to prove after his junior season. He had won the Heisman

trophy, he had won the National Championship, and he was a virtual LOCK to be

the 1st overall pick by the Niners. So what does he do? He comes back to school

so that he can take Ballroom Dancing and be the Big Man on Campus.

Anyone with the tiniest best of fire and competitiveness would have come out.

so the repeat (3 peat even) of the nat'l championship, reason enough alone, means he has a lack of desire? gotcha. his competitive desire would have been quenched playing behind rattay for half the year?

 

[cstu]

noodle-armed

The one main issue scouts have with Leinart is his lack of arm strength.

Because there is nothing else to criticize. McNown was known to have a very weak arm, hence the reason he was drafted in the middle of the 1st round.

 

[mbuehner]

The one main issue scouts have with Leinart is his lack of arm strength.

Yes but that doesnt make him comparable to Cade McNown. Watch tapes of their longballs, there is no comparison. Not having a particularly strong arm doesnt mean you have a noodle arm either. Leinart can throw the 15 yard out which McNown never could. Is Leinart any weaker than Tom Brady? Does that mean Brady has a noodle arm?

 

[bagger.]

"Weak" defenses Leinart has played:

Auburn

VA Tech

Oklahoma

Michigan

Texas

He may be a bust but not for any of the trite reasons you took 20 seconds to think of.

 

[Scorehoard]

This draft class of QB's has some big names based on their college accomplishments. This past season had KYLE ORTON have the most notable season. We all know that statistally he didn't have a season to write home about other than the fact that he did squeek out wins thanks to his D. This year we will not see anything like that! I will also point out that of that class the QB to excel next season is Charlie Frye. If Vince goes to Tenn., no PT although down the line he could have a chance but I could cut him up to. Cutler has my vote! Leinart is slow, may not take much punishment, and has that ever so obvious weak throwing strength. The main thing with Leinart is that he is not used to losing!!! Did you see his attitude after the National Championship? It was poor. He has a lot to learn and will take his lumps similar to Alex Smith this season. Better get his head on because pretty boy Cali personna about him may turn him into Ryan Leaf! haha... okay I won't go that far! I foresee myself taking some heat, sorry guys.

Just a note: These guys not throwing at the combine.... I can see the side that it won't change their draft status BUT if that's the case then go prove to everyone that you are the best! Show your competitive edge!

 

[helix]

And Vince Young = Michael Vick. And Reggie Bush = Warrick Dunn. Cutler = God. Vernon Davis = Antonio Gates. Blah, Blah Blah. BTW this is

 

[Phlash]

The one main issue scouts have with Leinart is his lack of arm strength.

Yes but that doesnt make him comparable to Cade McNown. Watch tapes of their longballs, there is no comparison. Not having a particularly strong arm doesnt mean you have a noodle arm either. Leinart can throw the 15 yard out which McNown never could. Is Leinart any weaker than Tom Brady? Does that mean Brady has a noodle arm?

Brady DEFINITELY has a better arm than Leinart at this point in their lives. Can Leinart improve on that? If Drew Brees and Brady both did, I'm sure he can too.

 

[Dave Baker]

The one main issue scouts have with Leinart is his lack of arm strength.

Yes but that doesnt make him comparable to Cade McNown. Watch tapes of their longballs, there is no comparison. Not having a particularly strong arm doesnt mean you have a noodle arm either. Leinart can throw the 15 yard out which McNown never could. Is Leinart any weaker than Tom Brady? Does that mean Brady has a noodle arm?

Brady DEFINITELY has a better arm than Leinart at this point in their lives. Can Leinart improve on that? If Drew Brees and Brady both did, I'm sure he can too.

I don't think that's correct. I recalled Brady being similar to Leinart in college and found this from SI's 2000 draft profile about Brady.

Two-year starter. Very tall with a thin build. Needs to upgrade his overall strength. Pocket passer with average quickness. Can slide from pressure, but is not very elusive. Doesn't look to run. Holds the ball a bit low, but has a fairly quick release. Lacks a strong arm. Doesn't rifle the long outs, but he's an accurate passer with a good feel for touch. Sails some throws and hangs some deep balls. Leader. Eyeballs his primary target at times, but shows the ability to come off and find alternates. Generally makes good decisions. Had a good Orange Bowl.

Reading that, and there are some solid comparisons made betwen the two. Of coure, Leinart is coming out much higher touted.And Leinart is only a year or so from surgery, and some believe his arm strength will get even better.

 

[Iron_Far]

Other than Leinart being taller, I see some similarities.

- Both of them are flaky, noodle-armed lefties who played in Los Angeles.

- Both played with lots of NFL talent against awful PAC-10 defenses.

- McCown was charged with the illegal posession of a handicapped parking pass.

- Leinart was charged with the illegal posession of a bad MAN-PERM.

Leinart had nothing left to prove after his junior season. He had won the Heisman

trophy, he had won the National Championship, and he was a virtual LOCK to be

the 1st overall pick by the Niners. So what does he do? He comes back to school

so that he can take Ballroom Dancing and be the Big Man on Campus.

Anyone with the tiniest best of fire and competitiveness would have come out.

I've heard it sent up a red flag with several personnel men when he stayed at SC.

What the hell... I'll walk out on the ledge and call my shot.

LEINART WILL BE A BUST!!!

Who's with me?!?!?!

 

[Pnishthm]

This draft class of QB's has some big names based on their college accomplishments. This past season had KYLE ORTON have the most notable season. We all know that statistally he didn't have a season to write home about other than the fact that he did squeek out wins thanks to his D. This year we will not see anything like that! I will also point out that of that class the QB to excel next season is Charlie Frye. If Vince goes to Tenn., no PT although down the line he could have a chance but I could cut him up to. Cutler has my vote! Leinart is slow, may not take much punishment, and has that ever so obvious weak throwing strength. The main thing with Leinart is that he is not used to losing!!!

That's the problem that I have with Cutler....he IS used to losing. That's one of the things that I like about Leinart, the fact that he will not except losing gracefully.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

 

[trader jake]

worst case scenerio: matt leinart in the NFL = archie manning

1) decent/above average pro who plays on a crap team

2) strongarms his way out of a bad situation

take your pick

 

[Scorehoard]

I understand that Cutler is used to losing. What I'm saying is Leinart is used to winning. For someone that is soo used to winning even with playing an avg. game it makes life easy. How is he going to deal with losing streaks or embarrassments. Will he self destruct? aka Ryan Leaf... Or will he adjust, stay confident and accept losing? aka Joey Busted Harrington

All in all...... he has similar reflections w/ McNown

 

[Yah_Shoor_Yoobetchya]

And Vince Young = Michael Vick. And Reggie Bush = Warrick Dunn. Cutler = God. Vernon Davis = Antonio Gates. Blah, Blah Blah. BTW this is

Holy crap! His stock really HAS gone up, hasn't it!!!!

 

[Raider Nation]

Leinart had nothing left to prove after his junior season. He had won the Heisman

trophy, he had won the National Championship, and he was a virtual LOCK to be

the 1st overall pick by the Niners. So what does he do? He comes back to school

so that he can take Ballroom Dancing and be the Big Man on Campus.

Anyone with the tiniest best of fire and competitiveness would have come out.

so the repeat (3 peat even) of the nat'l championship, reason enough alone, means he has a lack of desire? gotcha. his competitive desire would have been quenched playing behind rattay for half the year?

First of all, at him sitting behind RATtay for a half a year.Secondly, don't shoot the messenger. I remember hearing on Sirius NFL radio last year when Leinart decided to stay in school that more than a few GMs were "troubled" by his decision not to come out. Ordinarily, they would applaud a kid who decided to stay in college all four years. But when you are guaranteed to be the #1 overall pick and you still stay in school, the football types questioned his passion for the game. The thing I heard most often was "A kid growing up dreaming of playing QB in the NFL would not have passed on this chance."

Simply stated, his desire and love of the game were questioned.

Don't take that lightly, either. Barry Sanders walked away with several good years left in the tank, and a big reason for it was that he never really loved the game of football.

Same with Ricky Williams.

 

[Raider Nation]

Make no mistake -- I'm not fishing.If Leinart has a very good to great career, I'll happily admit I was wrong.

 

[dotman]

I tend to think Leinart = Lefty Pennington

Which might not be the worst thing if he can stay healthy. But not the best thing either.

 

[Raider Nation]

I tend to think Leinart = Lefty Pennington

Not bad...

 

[trader jake]

I remember hearing on Sirius NFL radio last year when Leinart decided to stay in school that more than a few GMs were "troubled" by his decision not to come out. Ordinarily, they would applaud a kid who decided to stay in college all four years. But when you are guaranteed to be the #1 overall pick and you still stay in school, the football types questioned his passion for the game. The thing I heard most often was "A kid growing up dreaming of playing QB in the NFL would not have passed on this chance."

some GM's said the same things about tim duncan...the GM's who say these things are looking for something to knock

 

[Raider Nation]

I remember hearing on Sirius NFL radio last year when Leinart decided to stay in school that more than a few GMs were "troubled" by his decision not to come out. Ordinarily, they would applaud a kid who decided to stay in college all four years. But when you are guaranteed to be the #1 overall pick and you still stay in school, the football types questioned his passion for the game. The thing I heard most often was "A kid growing up dreaming of playing QB in the NFL would not have passed on this chance."

some GM's said the same things about tim duncan...the GM's who say these things are looking for something to knock

I'm not sure how that analogy is relevant.If Duncan's heart isn't in the game, he won't tire of getting mauled by linebackers.

 

[Scorehoard]

I understand that Cutler is used to losing. What I'm saying is Leinart is used to winning. For someone that is soo used to winning even with playing an avg. game it makes life easy. How is he going to deal with losing streaks or embarrassments. Will he self destruct? aka Ryan Leaf... Or will he adjust, stay confident and accept losing? aka Joey Busted Harrington

All in all...... he has similar reflections w/ McNown

Just found this by a highly regarded GM in the league.... I think I'm on the right side of the fence here boys!"One of the things that's overlooked when you're evaluating quarterbacks (is that) Jay Cutler playing at Vanderbilt is a lot different than Matt Leinart playing at USC," Savage said. "If (Cutler) goes to a team that's struggling, it's not going to be a new thing for him, whereas it could be for a Matt Leinart or a Vince Young. They won virtually every game during their careers. I think (struggling with Vanderbilt) is a positive for Jay."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AprL...=yhoo&type=lgns

 

[Getinthemix]

Im not sure Im stepping out on the ledge with you here, RN, because I dont really want to get into the McCown/Leinart comparison, though they do have some similarities. Leinart seems to have some skills, and he's a winner. Thats an intangible that you cant measure. But if he goes to New Orleans with the 2nd pick, it may just be that he's doomed. Kindof just about ANY QB that goes to Chicago....which ironically is where McCown played. Nice point about passing on the big bucks and the chance to play for San Fran so that he could stick around and take ball room dancing....thats an intangible that I think pretty much goes in the other direction. Personally, I think he'd be rock solid on 80% of the teams in the NFL, but those teams picking early like the Saints give most players little chance for success.

McNown

 

[Getinthemix]

Other than Leinart being taller, I see some similarities.

- Both of them are flaky, noodle-armed lefties who played in Los Angeles.

- Both played with lots of NFL talent against awful PAC-10 defenses.

- McCown was charged with the illegal posession of a handicapped parking pass.

- Leinart was charged with the illegal posession of a bad MAN-PERM.

Leinart had nothing left to prove after his junior season. He had won the Heisman

trophy, he had won the National Championship, and he was a virtual LOCK to be

the 1st overall pick by the Niners. So what does he do? He comes back to school

so that he can take Ballroom Dancing and be the Big Man on Campus.

Anyone with the tiniest best of fire and competitiveness would have come out.

I've heard it sent up a red flag with several personnel men when he stayed at SC.

What the hell... I'll walk out on the ledge and call my shot.

LEINART WILL BE A BUST!!!

Who's with me?!?!?!

So you don't put any stock into the fact that Leinart having surgery had any affect on him coming back? It played no part in his decision? I find that hard to believe. Plus would you really want to play for the 49ers?

 

[Zigg]

I remember hearing on Sirius NFL radio last year when Leinart decided to stay in school that more than a few GMs were "troubled" by his decision not to come out. Ordinarily, they would applaud a kid who decided to stay in college all four years. But when you are guaranteed to be the #1 overall pick and you still stay in school, the football types questioned his passion for the game. The thing I heard most often was "A kid growing up dreaming of playing QB in the NFL would not have passed on this chance."

some GM's said the same things about tim duncan...the GM's who say these things are looking for something to knock

I'm not sure how that analogy is relevant.If Duncan's heart isn't in the game, he won't tire of getting mauled by linebackers.

Tim Duncan was a guarenteed #1 pick and stayed in school.Peyton Manning was a guarenteed #1 pick and stayed in school.

Matt Leinart will be fine. People are trying to find faults where there are very few so some week arguments are made. The facts are that he played outstanding football for three seasons in a pro style offense with barely a bad quarter of football. Instead of finding faults with the player, critics say he was surrounded by talent, played weak opposition or is flaky and has no heart becuase he stayed at school.

This is not Cade McNown or Danny Weurffel or anyone else. Matt Leinart will be an outstanding pro for the Saints with a load of weapons at his disposal and a coach who should know how to take advantage of them. He made Kerry Collins look good, made Drew Bledsoe look good, Matt Leinart will be a pro bowler by his 3rd season.

 

[nygiants56]

I understand that Cutler is used to losing. What I'm saying is Leinart is used to winning. For someone that is soo used to winning even with playing an avg. game it makes life easy. How is he going to deal with losing streaks or embarrassments. Will he self destruct? aka Ryan Leaf... Or will he adjust, stay confident and accept losing? aka Joey Busted Harrington

All in all...... he has similar reflections w/ McNown

Just found this by a highly regarded GM in the league.... I think I'm on the right side of the fence here boys!"One of the things that's overlooked when you're evaluating quarterbacks (is that) Jay Cutler playing at Vanderbilt is a lot different than Matt Leinart playing at USC," Savage said. "If (Cutler) goes to a team that's struggling, it's not going to be a new thing for him, whereas it could be for a Matt Leinart or a Vince Young. They won virtually every game during their careers. I think (struggling with Vanderbilt) is a positive for Jay."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AprL...=yhoo&type=lgns

so being a good loser is a high-quality character trait to have?? maybe vandy sucked because Cutler sucks?!?!Leinhart had a good team,but still had to make plays to win nat'l championships and the Heisman..

how many games did USC trail at the half this year,and Leinhart brought them back to win? lets not forget that great throw in ND on 4th down ,late, to setup the winning TD...

Leinhart is a winner, pure and simple...he'll be a fantastic pro!

and he'll be playing for Tenn, not N.O.

 

[Dave Baker]

I understand that Cutler is used to losing. What I'm saying is Leinart is used to winning. For someone that is soo used to winning even with playing an avg. game it makes life easy. How is he going to deal with losing streaks or embarrassments. Will he self destruct? aka Ryan Leaf... Or will he adjust, stay confident and accept losing? aka Joey Busted Harrington

All in all...... he has similar reflections w/ McNown

Wait...so you'd rather have a QB that couldn't win? Or a QB that didn't play with top talent? The best players in all sports tend to be winners, from grade school, through college and into the pros.Give me the winner every time. The guy who's not used to losing.

 

[CalBear]

Make no mistake -- I'm not fishing.If Leinart has a very good to great career, I'll happily admit I was wrong.

The vast majority of drafted QBs don't have "very good to great" careers, so it's not like you're saying anything useful with that. Here are the first-round QBs drafted in 1990-1999:1999: Tim Couch (no)

McNabb (yes)

Akili Smith (no)

Culpepper (yes)

McNown (no)

1998: Manning (yes)

Leaf (no)

1997: Druckenmiller (no)

1995: McNair (maybe)

Kerry Collins (no)

1994: Heath Shuler (no)

Trent Dilfer (no)

1993: Drew Bledsoe (maybe)

Rick Mirer (no)

1992: David Klingler (no)

Tommy Maddox (no)

1991: Dan McGwire (no)

Todd Marinovich (no)

1990: Jeff George (no)

Andre Ware (no)

So out of 20 first-round QBs, three have had "very good to great" careers, two have had good careers, and 15 have been busts. So if you want to take the "not very good to great" side, you'd better be giving odds.

 

[helix]

Make no mistake -- I'm not fishing.If Leinart has a very good to great career, I'll happily admit I was wrong.

You are fishing because you are comparing Leinart to Cade. Dropping that type of comparision is just silly. The only things those 2 have in common is that they are left handed, white and played college ball in SoCal. No one knows how good a pro Leinart will make, but his college accomplishments outdistance anything Cade ever did by a mile. Matt will go down as one the the best NCAA QB's of all time. Cade will be remembered for stealing handicapped parking cards. If I were a GM and I had to take a QB, Matt is a solid choice.

 

[Texasmouth]

Make no mistake -- I'm not fishing.If Leinart has a very good to great career, I'll happily admit I was wrong.

You are fishing because you are comparing Leinart to Cade. Dropping that type of comparision is just silly. The only things those 2 have in common is that they are left handed, white and played college ball in SoCal. No one knows how good a pro Leinart will make, but his college accomplishments outdistance anything Cade ever did by a mile. Matt will go down as one the the best NCAA QB's of all time. Cade will be remembered for stealing handicapped parking cards. If I were a GM and I had to take a QB, Matt is a solid choice.

That is really easy to say now. Cade was really solid in college. Anyone who says he wasn't is just fooling themselves.

 

[Texasmouth]

Cade Mcnown

57.98 Completion percentage 3470 yards 25 Touchdowns 11 INT

75 carries 182 yards 3 Touchdowns

Matt Lienart

65.70 Completion percentage 3815 yards 28 Touchdowns 8 INT

51 carries 36 yards 8 Touchdowns

 

[CalBear]

That is really easy to say now. Cade was really solid in college. Anyone who says he wasn't is just fooling themselves.

McNown college stats: 694/1250 (55.5%), 68 TD, 41 INT (Senior year, 58% completions, 25 TD, 11 INT).Leinart college stats: 807/1245 (64.8%), 99 TD, 23 INT. (Senior year, 65.7% completions, 28 TD, 8 INT).

Frankly, looking at those numbers it's surprising that McNown was a first-round pick at all.

 

[Scorehoard]

I understand that Cutler is used to losing. What I'm saying is Leinart is used to winning. For someone that is soo used to winning even with playing an avg. game it makes life easy. How is he going to deal with losing streaks or embarrassments. Will he self destruct? aka Ryan Leaf... Or will he adjust, stay confident and accept losing? aka Joey Busted Harrington

All in all...... he has similar reflections w/ McNown

Wait...so you'd rather have a QB that couldn't win? Or a QB that didn't play with top talent? The best players in all sports tend to be winners, from grade school, through college and into the pros.Give me the winner every time. The guy who's not used to losing.

To answer your suspect questioning.... Cutler is a winner or he would have never played Div. 1 football. 2. He wasn't surrounded by good talent at Vandy so mentally he can cope with that aspect while focusing on the more important aspects of improving. A great supporting cast goes a long way for a player's recognition and publicity aka. JASON WHITE! Remember him? Oh he retired. Maybe you should read this article before developing significant questions.http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AprL...=yhoo&type=lgns

 

[Scorehoard]

I understand that Cutler is used to losing. What I'm saying is Leinart is used to winning. For someone that is soo used to winning even with playing an avg. game it makes life easy. How is he going to deal with losing streaks or embarrassments. Will he self destruct? aka Ryan Leaf... Or will he adjust, stay confident and accept losing? aka Joey Busted Harrington

All in all...... he has similar reflections w/ McNown

Just found this by a highly regarded GM in the league.... I think I'm on the right side of the fence here boys!"One of the things that's overlooked when you're evaluating quarterbacks (is that) Jay Cutler playing at Vanderbilt is a lot different than Matt Leinart playing at USC," Savage said. "If (Cutler) goes to a team that's struggling, it's not going to be a new thing for him, whereas it could be for a Matt Leinart or a Vince Young. They won virtually every game during their careers. I think (struggling with Vanderbilt) is a positive for Jay."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AprL...=yhoo&type=lgns

so being a good loser is a high-quality character trait to have?? maybe vandy sucked because Cutler sucks?!?!Leinhart had a good team,but still had to make plays to win nat'l championships and the Heisman..

how many games did USC trail at the half this year,and Leinhart brought them back to win? lets not forget that great throw in ND on 4th down ,late, to setup the winning TD...

Leinhart is a winner, pure and simple...he'll be a fantastic pro!

and he'll be playing for Tenn, not N.O.

LTaylor56 or whatever.... Well as far as statistics and game analysis from college, the board is wiped clean! Scouts want to see if the kid can PLAY. He doesn't sit and think about what he did against ND. Yep he won lots of games and congrats to that! Fact is they will both be drafted by below avg. teams but Cutler will handle the pressure. I'm not on any bandwagon here but we see year after year the diamonds in the rough excel. Cutler is my diamond that will exceed Leinart's accomplishments at the PRO LEVEL!! Sorry LT fan... you don't happen to drink COCA cola do you?

 

[helix]

Make no mistake -- I'm not fishing.If Leinart has a very good to great career, I'll happily admit I was wrong.

You are fishing because you are comparing Leinart to Cade. Dropping that type of comparision is just silly. The only things those 2 have in common is that they are left handed, white and played college ball in SoCal. No one knows how good a pro Leinart will make, but his college accomplishments outdistance anything Cade ever did by a mile. Matt will go down as one the the best NCAA QB's of all time. Cade will be remembered for stealing handicapped parking cards. If I were a GM and I had to take a QB, Matt is a solid choice.

That is really easy to say now. Cade was really solid in college. Anyone who says he wasn't is just fooling themselves.

Solid yes, but not one of the top NCAA QB's in history. Lets see- 1 Heisman, 2 National Championships, 2 losses in 3 years and great stats. The 2 are in different leagues. And yes comparing them is silly.Come on now. Do these look the similar? Jesus

McNown college stats: 694/1250 (55.5%), 68 TD, 41 INT (Senior year, 58% completions, 25 TD, 11 INT).

Leinart college stats: 807/1245 (64.8%), 99 TD, 23 INT. (Senior year, 65.7% completions, 28 TD, 8 INT).

 

[Dave Baker]

A great supporting cast goes a long way for a player's recognition and publicity aka. JASON WHITE! Remember him? Oh he retired.

Did anyone think he was going to be a good pro? No. Scouts, people, know the difference. You can be a winner and not be a good pro, of course. To think otherwise is silly. You can also be around bad talent in college and become a good pro.But your point here was that somehow playing only on a winner might make you a lesser pro when playing on poorer teams in the pros. And that I think is ridiculous.

 

[Dave Baker]

Well as far as statistics and game analysis from college, the board is wiped clean! Scouts want to see if the kid can PLAY. He doesn't sit and think about what he did against ND. Yep he won lots of games and congrats to that! Fact is they will both be drafted by below avg. teams but Cutler will handle the pressure. I'm not on any bandwagon here but we see year after year the diamonds in the rough excel. Cutler is my diamond that will exceed Leinart's accomplishments at the PRO LEVEL!! Sorry LT fan... you don't happen to drink COCA cola do you?

Scoreboard, YOU are the one that implied that Leinart might not be a good pro because he has been on a winner in college. You also compared him to McNown, which few in the know would possibly do since there is very little they have in common as QBs.While your referenced article suggests Cutler might be a good pro because he had to face challenges (which it points out Leinart and Young never had to do), the opposite argument is not true and silly to suggest it is, since some of the greatest players who ever played football (and really in any sport) often never played on anything but a great winner.

 

[mbuehner]

Frankly, looking at those numbers it's surprising that McNown was a first-round pick at all.

Remember who drafted him and their history with QBs and there is your answer. Comparing McClown and Leinart is just fishing. Pull up a tape of Leinart smoking Michigan in the Rose Bowl. 3 TDs (plus catching another one) against a defense that gave up 5 all season, that was impressive. McNown never looked anything like that at any level.

 

[Scorehoard]

A great supporting cast goes a long way for a player's recognition and publicity aka. JASON WHITE! Remember him? Oh he retired.

Did anyone think he was going to be a good pro? No. Scouts, people, know the difference. You can be a winner and not be a good pro, of course. To think otherwise is silly. You can also be around bad talent in college and become a good pro.But your point here was that somehow playing only on a winner might make you a lesser pro when playing on poorer teams in the pros. And that I think is ridiculous.

Yes this is a debate so why not look at each and ever angle. My angle is that I feel given their opposite situations in college, mentally Cutler will deal with the first 1-3 years better than Leinart. Yes that is a tough claim but lets take a glance back at the 04' draftees. 1 1 E. Manning San Diego

1 4 P. Rivers NY Giants

1 11 B. Roethlisberger Pitts.

Of those 3 back then would you have EVER though Rothlsbgr would be Rookie of the Year?? A Super Champ two seasons later? NO, NO ONE COULD PREDICT THAT

Yes talent and their "big game" experience is the reason they were drafted in their respected spots. Same will happen with Leinart, Young, Cutler. The other part of the puzzle is how things fall into place. Big Ben's case w/ Maddox getting hurt.. Manning is coming around now but what if he had stayed with San Diego?? And Rivers with NY? Oh how different things would be. Cutler will be drafted by a slightly better team than Leinart. Leinart will be given the ball but watch out for Jay! A lot plays into the way the cookie crumbles my good friend. Best QB in the 05 class: Charlie Frye!!!

 

[Scorehoard]

noodle-armed

 

[CalBear]

Roethlisberger was described as "the best pure passer in the country" coming out of college. And his stats: 65.3% completions, 76 TD, 34 INT in 1236 attempts, still far better than McNown, though not as good as Leinart. He was also 13-1 in his senior season, including a bowl win over Louisville, with the only loss coming in the first game to Iowa, which was 10-3 that year and beat Florida in the Outback Bowl. Roethlisberger both had good stats and was a winner in college.

Cutler, on the other hand, managed to lose six of his last seven games, including a loss to powerhouse Middle Tennessee State (4-7 on the year, with wins over Florida Atlantic, Arkansas State, and Troy). He had 57.2% completions, 59 TD and 36 INTs in his career. That looks a lot more like McNown than Leinart does.

 

[Scorehoard]

Roethlisberger was described as "the best pure passer in the country" coming out of college. And his stats: 65.3% completions, 76 TD, 34 INT in 1236 attempts, still far better than McNown, though not as good as Leinart. He was also 13-1 in his senior season, including a bowl win over Louisville, with the only loss coming in the first game to Iowa, which was 10-3 that year and beat Florida in the Outback Bowl. Roethlisberger both had good stats and was a winner in college.

Cutler, on the other hand, managed to lose six of his last seven games, including a loss to powerhouse Middle Tennessee State (4-7 on the year, with wins over Florida Atlantic, Arkansas State, and Troy). He had 57.2% completions, 59 TD and 36 INTs in his career. That looks a lot more like McNown than Leinart does.

I guess only time will tell, huh Aaron Rogers?