Why do we hate Barry so much... (1 Viewer)

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When we know 20-30% of MLB was juicing during that timeframe? I love the game and still root the Sox, but in reality... are we cheating ourselves by hating on this guy so hard that one of baseball's greatest moments is chalked up as a bad memory?

I know it's entirely uncool to root for Barry, but come on...

ETA: I've been pretty damn anti-barry but till now...

 

[Zombie Kid]

When we know 20-30% of MLB was juicing during that timeframe? I love the game and still root the Sox, but in reality... are we cheating ourselves by hating on this guy so hard that one of baseball's greatest moments is chalked up as a bad memory? I know it's entirely uncool to root for Barry, but come on...ETA: I've been pretty damn anti-barry but till now...

Cheat and suck, no one cares. (Neifi Perez)Cheat as one of the best players evah, everyone hates you. (Bonds)I blame MLB and the union for turning a blind eye to the steroid issue more than I do any individual player.

 

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When we know 20-30% of MLB was juicing during that timeframe? I love the game and still root the Sox, but in reality... are we cheating ourselves by hating on this guy so hard that one of baseball's greatest moments is chalked up as a bad memory? I know it's entirely uncool to root for Barry, but come on...ETA: I've been pretty damn anti-barry but till now...

Cheat and suck, no one cares. (Neifi Perez)Cheat as one of the best players evah, everyone hates you. (Bonds)I blame MLB and the union for turning a blind eye to the steroid issue more than I do any individual player.

So you don't hate barry any more than anyone else? I'm not buying. And really.. #### the steroid issue. Who cares. Sure my heart tells be the game is tainted but for christ's sake, that Yankees lineup is going to average 7 runs a game in the 2nd half if you've got them on bread and water.ETA: GB Neifi

 

[greenroom]

Well I actually like what Barry Bonds has done.

But to answer your question.

1. He is anti Media.. so the media paints him out to be a jerk

2. He has had run ins with his teammates.

3. He has had special treatment in the clubhouse

4. He is the poster child of the steroids. Even though I say at least 60% have used some type of performance enhancer

5. He is not very fan friendly

But to me the media makes or breaks you in the eye of the public. If you are thought of in a good way you will be loved by anyone. IF you don't then well you get the bonds treatment.

 

[Greco]

I hate him because he won't share his "workout" program with the rest of us old timers.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I like Barry for the same reason I like Federer.

They are the best at what they do and I like watching them.

Seeing Barry play in person you can just tell his bat speed is other wordly. I have never seen a player even close to him.

Because I am convinced that almost every "ripped" player in MLB took performance enhancers I dont put Barry on an island.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

... are we cheating ourselves by hating on this guy so hard that one of baseball's greatest moments is chalked up as a bad memory?

YES

 

[phthalatemagic]

... are we cheating ourselves by hating on this guy so hard that one of baseball's greatest moments is chalked up as a bad memory?

YES

No.

 

[Koya]

... are we cheating ourselves by hating on this guy so hard that one of baseball's greatest moments is chalked up as a bad memory?

YES

No. Barry has cheated us. The game has cheated us. If we cheated ourselves, it was for the blind love given to Big Mac and Sammy no speakah da english as did the Commish, the owners, the managers and the media.

 

[Koya]

The answer to the question:

We hate Barry so much because he is a misanthropic, utterly unlikeable, contemptable, self centered egomaniac with very few socially redeeming values who has put his own glory so far ahead of the game and the record that there is no longer much glory in either, and none for Barry.

 

[Darth Cheney]

I don't hate Barry Bonds.

Barry Bonds is the product of our bigger and better,24/7 media, in your face, hypocritical culture.

 

[cobalt_27]

When we know 20-30% of MLB was juicing during that timeframe? I love the game and still root the Sox, but in reality... are we cheating ourselves by hating on this guy so hard that one of baseball's greatest moments is chalked up as a bad memory?

I know it's entirely uncool to root for Barry, but come on...

ETA: I've been pretty damn anti-barry but till now...

I don't understand this whole notion that we are cheating ourselves. Where in the world does that come from? What, because Hank Aaron's record was broken by a guy who couldn't have eclipsed it without steroids? It's cheating myself to put it in its proper context? Spare me.And, for what it's worth, I don't feel cheated by Bonds at all. I simply refuse to accept that his record means as much as Aaron's, and I move right along to enjoy the rest of what's going on in the baseball world.

And, oh btw...there's nothing wrong with disliking a grade-A ###hole.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

Because he's about to break the most hallowed record in the game.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

...who has put his own glory so far ahead of the game and the record that there is no longer much glory in either, and none for Barry.

When has Bonds performed individually on a baseball field in a context that wouldn't help his team win games? Otherwise this is just

We hate Barry so much because he is a misanthropic, utterly unlikeable, contemptable, self centered egomaniac with very few socially redeeming values ....

So what? What does his personality have to do with anything? This is the same reason Roger Maris wasn't worthy of breaking Ruth's single season record. There are lots of unlikeable people in all walks of life that are remarkably talented at what they do. If you want to cheat yourself out of enjoying in these accomplishments because the person lacks other gift than that is just foolish.

 

[cobalt_27]

Because he's about to break the most hallowed record in the game.

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[dparker713]

...who has put his own glory so far ahead of the game and the record that there is no longer much glory in either, and none for Barry.

When has Bonds performed individually on a baseball field in a context that wouldn't help his team win games? Otherwise this is just

We hate Barry so much because he is a misanthropic, utterly unlikeable, contemptable, self centered egomaniac with very few socially redeeming values ....

So what? What does his personality have to do with anything? This is the same reason Roger Maris wasn't worthy of breaking Ruth's single season record. There are lots of unlikeable people in all walks of life that are remarkably talented at what they do. If you want to cheat yourself out of enjoying in these accomplishments because the person lacks other gift than that is just foolish.

Why would you cheer for a jerk wearing another team's uniform? He's always looked down on the fans, but I should look up to him just because he can hit a baseball? Sorry, it takes more than that to earn my respect or admiration. Atleast pretend to give a crap about the opinion of the people paying you to play a game.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

...who has put his own glory so far ahead of the game and the record that there is no longer much glory in either, and none for Barry.

When has Bonds performed individually on a baseball field in a context that wouldn't help his team win games? Otherwise this is just

We hate Barry so much because he is a misanthropic, utterly unlikeable, contemptable, self centered egomaniac with very few socially redeeming values ....

So what? What does his personality have to do with anything? This is the same reason Roger Maris wasn't worthy of breaking Ruth's single season record. There are lots of unlikeable people in all walks of life that are remarkably talented at what they do. If you want to cheat yourself out of enjoying in these accomplishments because the person lacks other gift than that is just foolish.

Why would you cheer for a jerk wearing another team's uniform? He's always looked down on the fans, but I should look up to him just because he can hit a baseball? Sorry, it takes more than that to earn my respect or admiration. Atleast pretend to give a crap about the opinion of the people paying you to play a game.

Who asked anyone to lookup to Bonds? To Cheer? Why does one need to admire Bonds the person to respect Bonds the talent?

 

[cobalt_27]

...who has put his own glory so far ahead of the game and the record that there is no longer much glory in either, and none for Barry.

When has Bonds performed individually on a baseball field in a context that wouldn't help his team win games? Otherwise this is just

We hate Barry so much because he is a misanthropic, utterly unlikeable, contemptable, self centered egomaniac with very few socially redeeming values ....

So what? What does his personality have to do with anything? This is the same reason Roger Maris wasn't worthy of breaking Ruth's single season record. There are lots of unlikeable people in all walks of life that are remarkably talented at what they do. If you want to cheat yourself out of enjoying in these accomplishments because the person lacks other gift than that is just foolish.

Why would you cheer for a jerk wearing another team's uniform? He's always looked down on the fans, but I should look up to him just because he can hit a baseball? Sorry, it takes more than that to earn my respect or admiration. Atleast pretend to give a crap about the opinion of the people paying you to play a game.

Who asked anyone to lookup to Bonds? To Cheer? Why does one need to admire Bonds the person to respect Bonds the talent?

You don't. And, 10 years ago, most people didn't like the guy, but respected his talent. What's your point?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

...who has put his own glory so far ahead of the game and the record that there is no longer much glory in either, and none for Barry.

When has Bonds performed individually on a baseball field in a context that wouldn't help his team win games? Otherwise this is just

We hate Barry so much because he is a misanthropic, utterly unlikeable, contemptable, self centered egomaniac with very few socially redeeming values ....

So what? What does his personality have to do with anything? This is the same reason Roger Maris wasn't worthy of breaking Ruth's single season record. There are lots of unlikeable people in all walks of life that are remarkably talented at what they do. If you want to cheat yourself out of enjoying in these accomplishments because the person lacks other gift than that is just foolish.

Why would you cheer for a jerk wearing another team's uniform? He's always looked down on the fans, but I should look up to him just because he can hit a baseball? Sorry, it takes more than that to earn my respect or admiration. Atleast pretend to give a crap about the opinion of the people paying you to play a game.

Who asked anyone to lookup to Bonds? To Cheer? Why does one need to admire Bonds the person to respect Bonds the talent?

I don't respect cheaters, sorry.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Barry (the human asterisk) Bonds.

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[Ike Turner]

I hate Bonds because he's basically telling kids that taking steroids will benefit them.

Every cheer from the stands for Bonds is a statement that steroids are ok.

 

[ThisGuy]

He was a TOP 20 ALL TIME player prior to the steroids. He was great to watch in Pittsburgh and the first few years in SF.

I have lost all respect for him because of the drugs.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I hate Bonds because he's basically telling kids that taking steroids will benefit them.

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According to the book[Game of Shadows], Bonds was inspired to use steroids after watching McGwire's 1998 home run record chase with Sammy Sosa. ... The book also claimed that the Giants chose not to confront Bonds about his change in physical appearance, fearing that they would alienate their star slugger, or worse from the team's standpoint, create a drug scandal immediately before the opening of their new stadium.

So you hate Bonds because he is doing to "kids" the same thing that was done to him?And why is it that Bonds is guilty of "telling kids that steroids will benefit them" and not Baseball?

 

[Zombie Kid]

So you don't hate barry any more than anyone else? I'm not buying.

To be brutally honest, I don't. And I'm an A's fan, where there is plenty of anti-Barry sentiment. Bonds also gives people plenty of ammo to hate him in that he's sold his friend down the river to keep him out of legal trouble (most likely he paid him off), he's a cantankerous #####, and he's the furthest thing from a team player. All that said, I hate Selig a lot more. That he pretended like the steroid thing wasn't happening in the 90's, and then doesn't clap when Bonds hits the record-tying HR last night is extremely hypocritical, even for him.

 

[greenroom]

I hate Bonds because he's basically telling kids that taking steroids will benefit them.Every cheer from the stands for Bonds is a statement that steroids are ok.

Ok let me get this straight everyone hates Bonds for taking steroids and how he is impacting kids. What about Shawn Merriman? He actually failed a steroid test and yet he is still loved. He went to the pro bowl and people were upset that he did not get the NFL Defense award. What about the Pittsburgh Steelers who did steroids in the 70's yet most people do not care. So for people just to hate Bonds for steroids when in today's athletic's when I would say that 75% of all the athletes have/are taking performance enhancing drugs. What if someone blew the whistle on how badly amphetamines were absused in the 50's and 60's and 70's? Performance enhancing. I say NO DOUBT! From that era where an estimated 75% of players par-took in "greenies". Aaron, Mays, Mantle, Yaz, Robinson, Rose. How would you feel if you found out one of our heroes of yesterday was actually chemically enhanced?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I hate Bonds because he's basically telling kids that taking steroids will benefit them.

Every cheer from the stands for Bonds is a statement that steroids are ok.

Ok let me get this straight everyone hates Bonds for taking steroids and how he is impacting kids. What about Shawn Merriman? He actually failed a steroid test and yet he is still loved. He went to the pro bowl and people were upset that he did not get the NFL Defense award. What about the Pittsburgh Steelers who did steroids in the 70's yet most people do not care. So for people just to hate Bonds for steroids when in today's athletic's when I would say that 75% of all the athletes have/are taking performance enhancing drugs. What if someone blew the whistle on how badly amphetamines were absused in the 50's and 60's and 70's? Performance enhancing. I say NO DOUBT! From that era where an estimated 75% of players par-took in "greenies". Aaron, Mays, Mantle, Yaz, Robinson, Rose. How

would you feel if you found out one of our heroes of yesterday was actually chemically enhanced?

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Amphetamines, better known in the post-Ball Four baseball world as greenies, are uppers. Many players in the 60s and 70s took them as a performance-enhancing drug. The following is a transcript of a Playboy interview found in James Reston Jr.'s Collision at Home Plate:

"But would you use them for anything other than dieting" [Rose] was asked.

"There might be some day when you played a doubleheader the night before, and you go to the ballpark for a Sunday game, and you just want to take a diet pill, just to mentally think you are up. You won't be up, but mentally you might think you are up."

"Does it help your game?"

"It won't help your game, but it will help you mentally. When you help yourself mentally, it might help your game."

"You keep saying you might take a greenie. Would you? Have you?"

"Yeah, I'd do it. I've done it."

They way I decipher Rose's double-talk is that he didn't believe that greenies would help the physical part of the game, but would help the mental aspect. In any case, he believed that they worked, observe the next paragraph from Reston:

He did not say, however, that he was doing it nearly every day, and that he was teaching younger players how to do it. But when federal narcotics agents came calling at Veteran Stadium, that was the understanding of [GM] Bill Giles.

The trial of Mazza eventually blew over. He was found innocent in court. However, one of his statements was that "[The prescriptions] were made at the request of the ball players and were done in good faith. Pete Rose was having trouble with his weight and he needed some help with his thirty-eight year old body." So without a doubt, Pete had a bottle of greenies in his medicine cabinet. He admitted in Playboy to prior use. It was the belief of people in the Phillies organization that he wasn't just using, he was also getting younger players involved.

So Charlie Hustle spent at least some of his career with some extra hustle coming out of a bottle. It's not too hard to believe that steroids are to power hitters what greenies are to single hitters. The evidence we have against Rose is much strong than that against Bonds. Yet somehow there isn't a huge asterisk next to 4256 in the books. It doesn't have the same taint that is being attached to Barry's accomplishments. If we discount baseball records due to chemistry, one of the first we have to roll back is Rose's.

 

[Darth Cheney]

I hate Bonds because he's basically telling kids that taking steroids will benefit them.

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According to the book[Game of Shadows], Bonds was inspired to use steroids after watching McGwire's 1998 home run record chase with Sammy Sosa. ... The book also claimed that the Giants chose not to confront Bonds about his change in physical appearance, fearing that they would alienate their star slugger, or worse from the team's standpoint, create a drug scandal immediately before the opening of their new stadium.

So you hate Bonds because he is doing to "kids" the same thing that was done to him?And why is it that Bonds is guilty of "telling kids that steroids will benefit them" and not Baseball?

That's a good point. Who do you blame Dr. Frankenstein or Frankenstein's Monster? The fact that baseball turned the blind eye to all of these sluggers ballooning up to unhuman proportions is worse IMO than a guy trying to keep up with the Joneses.

 

[dparker713]

...who has put his own glory so far ahead of the game and the record that there is no longer much glory in either, and none for Barry.

When has Bonds performed individually on a baseball field in a context that wouldn't help his team win games? Otherwise this is just

We hate Barry so much because he is a misanthropic, utterly unlikeable, contemptable, self centered egomaniac with very few socially redeeming values ....

So what? What does his personality have to do with anything? This is the same reason Roger Maris wasn't worthy of breaking Ruth's single season record. There are lots of unlikeable people in all walks of life that are remarkably talented at what they do. If you want to cheat yourself out of enjoying in these accomplishments because the person lacks other gift than that is just foolish.

Why would you cheer for a jerk wearing another team's uniform? He's always looked down on the fans, but I should look up to him just because he can hit a baseball? Sorry, it takes more than that to earn my respect or admiration. Atleast pretend to give a crap about the opinion of the people paying you to play a game.

Who asked anyone to lookup to Bonds? To Cheer? Why does one need to admire Bonds the person to respect Bonds the talent?

If the talent is all there is to respect, then I'll grudgingly respect the same jerk I hated back in Pittsburg. The one winning MVPs but not putting up Ruthian numbers. The one that would have gone down as an all time great, but that had no hope in hell of breaking Aaron's record. Problem is, that skinny jerk from Pittsburg is hidden somewhere in the recesses of the massive man that now wears his uniform. Im not cheating myself out of anything. I dont care to witness these events as they don't captivate my imagination. I don't think the game is being irreparably damaged, either. Im just annoyed by all the media coverage for the past MANY months on this thing and I just want this over with so that Barry can retire and be forgotten about. Never was a fan, never will be a fan even if he goes on to hit 1000.

 

[cobalt_27]

The fact that baseball turned the blind eye to all of these sluggers ballooning up to unhuman proportions is worse IMO than a guy trying to keep up with the Joneses.

Saying Bonds used steroids just to keep up with the Joneses is like saying Bill Gates used Microsoft with the hopes of just trying to put food on the table.

 

[Koya]

...who has put his own glory so far ahead of the game and the record that there is no longer much glory in either, and none for Barry.

When has Bonds performed individually on a baseball field in a context that wouldn't help his team win games? Otherwise this is just

We hate Barry so much because he is a misanthropic, utterly unlikeable, contemptable, self centered egomaniac with very few socially redeeming values ....

So what? What does his personality have to do with anything? This is the same reason Roger Maris wasn't worthy of breaking Ruth's single season record. There are lots of unlikeable people in all walks of life that are remarkably talented at what they do. If you want to cheat yourself out of enjoying in these accomplishments because the person lacks other gift than that is just foolish.

Did you miss the whole part with Bonds scornfully cheating while scoffing at everyone including the fans? How is that comparable to Maris? (It is not). His unlikeableness is just one part of the montage that is the sad example of a baseball player named Bonds. But you can not ignore his unlikeability in the context of Bond's being a cheater who does act as if he is better than just about everyone around him. Of course, he is only a cheater and no more now, because of that behavior - but that's his call.I guess it is somewhat ironic that the reason Bonds felt the necessity to roid it was the attention given to other players. Now he has plenty of attention - all for being a pathetic loser of the greatest home run hitter ever. Careful what you ask for...

 

[Darth Cheney]

The fact that baseball turned the blind eye to all of these sluggers ballooning up to unhuman proportions is worse IMO than a guy trying to keep up with the Joneses.

Saying Bonds used steroids just to keep up with the Joneses is like saying Bill Gates used Microsoft with the hopes of just trying to put food on the table.

So who's worse, the criminal or the organization who is supposed to curb and eliminate criminal activites turning a blind eye to said activities in order to fill their pockets?

 

[cobalt_27]

The fact that baseball turned the blind eye to all of these sluggers ballooning up to unhuman proportions is worse IMO than a guy trying to keep up with the Joneses.

Saying Bonds used steroids just to keep up with the Joneses is like saying Bill Gates used Microsoft with the hopes of just trying to put food on the table.

So who's worse, the criminal or the organization who is supposed to curb and eliminate criminal activites turning a blind eye to said activities in order to fill their pockets?

Both are no good. I think it's a bit over-stated the extent to which Bud and MLB turned a blind eye to steroids. But, regardless, the criminal should *always* do the time, regardless of whether there was institutional passivity or not.

 

[Da Guru]

When we know 20-30% of MLB was juicing during that timeframe? I love the game and still root the Sox, but in reality... are we cheating ourselves by hating on this guy so hard that one of baseball's greatest moments is chalked up as a bad memory? I know it's entirely uncool to root for Barry, but come on...ETA: I've been pretty damn anti-barry but till now...

You don`t know yet?

 

[Ike Turner]

I hate Bonds because he's basically telling kids that taking steroids will benefit them.Every cheer from the stands for Bonds is a statement that steroids are ok.

Ok let me get this straight everyone hates Bonds for taking steroids and how he is impacting kids. What about Shawn Merriman? He actually failed a steroid test and yet he is still loved.

Who loves Shawn Merriman besides the uber nerds in the IDP forum?

 

[Ike Turner]

I feel like Morpheus trying to wake up people from the Matrix.

 

[Da Guru]

I feel like Morpheus trying to wake up people from the Matrix.

What is reality?