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Why do we hold fast to losing strategies? (1 Viewer)

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Interesting article from Fast Company re: the psychology of decision-making in "gambling" situations. I think that has significant fantasy football relevance. Think about how we might compound or drafting or trading mistakes by making additional bad decisions to "cover" our initial loss? I think it's fascinating to consider the psychology of decision making in fantasy football - something we don't often read or talk about.

Why Do We Hold Fast To Losing Strategies?

Why Do We Hold Fast To Losing Strategies?

We tend to bet more aggressively when the odds aren't in our favor. The right response, however, is to change direction, as Tim Harford's writes in Adapt: Why Success Always Starts with Failure.

I spent the summer of 2005 studying poker. I interviewed some of the best players in the world, attended the World Series of Poker in Las Vegas, analyzed “pokerbots” -- poker-playing computers -- and chronicled the efforts of highly rational players, such as Chris "Jesus" Ferguson, a game theorist with a PhD who is a world champion and a formidable one-on-one player.

While poker can be analyzed rationally, with big egos and big money at stake it can also be a very emotional game. Poker players explained to me that there’s a particular moment at which players are extremely vulnerable to an emotional surge. It’s not when they’ve won a huge pot or when they’ve drawn a fantastic hand. It’s when they’ve just lost a lot of money through bad luck (a "bad beat’") or bad strategy. The loss can nudge a player into going "on tilt" -- making overly aggressive bets in an effort to win back what he wrongly feels is still his money. The brain refuses to register that the money has gone. Acknowledging the loss and recalculating one’s strategy would be the right thing to do, but that is too painful. Instead, the player makes crazy bets to rectify what he unconsciously believes is a temporary situation. It isn’t the initial loss that does for him, but the stupid plays he makes in an effort to deny that the loss has happened. The great economic psychologists Daniel Kahneman and Amos Tversky summarized the behavior in their classic analysis of the psychology of risk: “A person who has not made peace with his losses is likely to accept gambles that would be unacceptable to him otherwise.”

Even those of us who aren’t professional poker players know how it feels to chase a loss. A few years ago, my wife and I had booked a romantic weekend in Paris. But she was pregnant, and a couple of hours before we were due to catch the train she began feeling sick. She was throwing up into a plastic bag in the taxi on the way to the station. But when I met up with her, she was determined to go to Paris because our tickets weren’t refundable. She didn’t want to accept the loss and was about to compound it.

Being an economist is rarely an advantage in a romantic situation, but this was perhaps an exception. I tried to convince my wife to forget about the tickets. Imagine that the money we had spent on them had been lost forever, I told her, but also imagine that we stood on the steps of Waterloo station with no plans for the weekend, when somebody came up to us and offered us free tickets to Paris. That was the correct way to think about the situation: the money was gone; and the question was whether we wanted to travel to Paris for no further cost. I asked my wife whether she would accept such an offer. Of course not. She was feeling far too sick to go to Paris. She forced a faint smile as she realized what I was telling her, and we went home. (As if to confirm that we had made the right decision, the nice people at Eurostar refunded our tickets anyway. And a few months later, my wife somewhat more pregnant, we got to Paris in the end.)

The behavioral economist Richard Thaler, with a team of co-authors, has found the perfect setting to analyze the way we respond to losses. He studied the TV game show Deal or No Deal, which is a great source of data because the basic game is repeated incessantly, with similar rules, for high stakes, in over 50 countries. Deal or No Deal offers contestants a choice of between 20 and 26 numbered boxes, each containing some prize money, ranging from pennies to hundreds of thousands of dollars, pounds or euros. (The original Dutch version has a jackpot of 5 million euros.) The player holds one box, not knowing how much money is inside. Her task is to choose the other boxes in any order she likes. These are then opened and discarded. Every time she opens a box containing a token amount, she celebrates, because that means her own mystery box doesn’t contain that low prize. Every time she opens a box with a large prize, she winces, because that reduces the odds that her own box will be lucrative.

All of this is pure chance. The interesting decision is the one that gives the game show its title. From time to time, the “Banker,” a mysterious and anonymous figure, calls the studio to offer the contestant cash in exchange for the unknown sum inside her box. Will it be a deal, or no deal?

The psychology of the game is revealing. Let’s take a look at Frank, a contestant in the Dutch version of Deal or No Deal. After a few rounds, the expected value of his box -- that is, the average of all the remaining amounts -- was just over €100,000. The Banker offered him €75,000 -- serious money, but less than 75 percent of his box’s expected value. He turned it down. Then he received a nasty shock. Frank opened a box containing €500,000, the last big prize remaining. His expected winnings plunged to just €2,508. The Banker’s offer plunged, too -- from €75,000 to €2,400. Relative to Frank’s likely winnings, this was a more generous offer than the previous one -- 96 percent of the expected value of playing on -- but Frank rejected it. The next round, Frank spurned a Banker’s offer that was actually greater than the average value of the remaining boxes. And in the final round, Frank’s two remaining possibilities were €10 or €10,000. The Banker offered him a more-than-generous €6,000. Frank turned it down. He left the studio with €10. After being stunned by the loss of a guaranteed €75,000 and a decent chance of a €500,000 prize, Frank started taking crazy gambles. Frank had gone on tilt.

Frank’s behavior is typical. Thaler and his colleagues looked at how people responded to the Banker’s offers immediately after making an unlucky choice, a lucky choice, or a choice that was broadly neutral. They found that the neutral choosers tended to be quite keen to accept the Banker’s deal. Lucky choosers were cocky: They were more likely to turn down the Banker and keep going. But it was unlucky choosers who stood out. They were extremely unlikely to accept an offer from the Banker. Why? Because if they did, it would lock in their “mistake.” If they kept playing, there was a chance of some sort of redemption. The pattern was all the more striking because the Banker tended to make more generous offers to losers -- lower in absolute terms, of course, but closer to the average of the remaining boxes. Objectively, players who had just made an unlucky choice should have been more willing to deal than anyone, because they were receiving more attractive odds from the Banker.

Perhaps this is a phenomenon restricted to game shows and the poker tables of the Rio in Las Vegas? No such luck. The economist Terrance Odean has found that we tend to hang on grimly, and wrongly, to shares that have plunged in the hope that things will turn around. We are far happier to sell shares that have been doing well. Unfortunately, selling winners and holding on to losers has in retrospect been poor investment strategy. All four examples -- poker, Paris, Deal or No Deal and share portfolios -- show a dogged determination to avoid crystallizing a loss or drawing a line under a decision we regret. That dogged determination might occasionally be helpful, but it is counterproductive in all these cases and in many others. Faced with a mistake or a loss, the right response is to acknowledge the setback and change direction. Yet our instinctive reaction is denial. That is why "learn from your mistakes" is wise advice that is painfully hard to take.

Excerpted from Adapt: Why Success Always Starts with Failure by Tim Harford, published by Farrar, Straus and Giroux, LLC. Copyright © 2011 by Tim Harford. All rights reserved.
 
That is an interesting article; I will have to peruse it from time to time, just to keep in check, because the points it brings up are spot on.

 
i think a better example is you lose your #2 RB the first week of the season (say Ryan Grant last year). Perhaps you went late and he was your #1RB.

That's a bad beat - no fault of your own, but you rolled snake eyes.

What's your response?

You can make a lot of bad decisions when your hammered like that at the start of the season. You may not have a lot of good decisions, but there are definitely some that are worse than others

 
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I think there are many lessons here. One relates to trading. You draft a guy in the 2nd round and he's disappointing. You get a trade offer that helps you in other areas that you need and gives you a decent replacement at that position. But you reject it because "he's your second round pick" and overvalued in your mind. You hold out for a price nobody is going to pay, you keep losing and you never improve. You don't want to "lock in" your mistake and you refuse to sell the loser. Interesting article.

 
I think there are many lessons here. One relates to trading. You draft a guy in the 2nd round and he's disappointing. You get a trade offer that helps you in other areas that you need and gives you a decent replacement at that position. But you reject it because "he's your second round pick" and overvalued in your mind. You hold out for a price nobody is going to pay, you keep losing and you never improve. You don't want to "lock in" your mistake and you refuse to sell the loser. Interesting article.
Probably one of the biggest bad trends I have seen and continue to see in FF. People so often get wrapped up in "how much I paid for it" versus "What it is worth" and they hold that bad apple until nothing is left but a rotten core. Sometimes you have to simply cut your losses and move on.
 
That article was a lot of words to say something that has been patently obvious and well known for decades.

There's a reason that the phrase "going on tilt" exists. No one was unsure of what it meant or how it came about.

 
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drafting rb-rb even though it isnt the optimal way to draft anymore.
That doesn't really fit the mold of what the article is talking about. Despite the thread title, it's not just about "holding fast to losing strategies," it's more about suffering a loss and then taking more risk to recoup your losses.
Or missing out on your 3rd round target, so you get upset and tilt into drafting a bunch of sleepers at that spot.
This would be a better example, but does anyone really do this?
i think a better example is you lose your #2 RB the first week of the season (say Ryan Grant last year). Perhaps you went late and he was your #1RB.That's a bad beat - no fault of your own, but you rolled snake eyes.What's your response?You can make a lot of bad decisions when your hammered like that at the start of the season. You may not have a lot of good decisions, but there are definitely some that are worse than others
This would be a good example, except I'm not sure what kind of "bad decisions" you're referring to.
I think there are many lessons here. One relates to trading. You draft a guy in the 2nd round and he's disappointing. You get a trade offer that helps you in other areas that you need and gives you a decent replacement at that position. But you reject it because "he's your second round pick" and overvalued in your mind. You hold out for a price nobody is going to pay, you keep losing and you never improve. You don't want to "lock in" your mistake and you refuse to sell the loser. Interesting article.
This is a great example, thanks.
 
i think a better example is you lose your #2 RB the first week of the season (say Ryan Grant last year). Perhaps you went late and he was your #1RB.That's a bad beat - no fault of your own, but you rolled snake eyes.What's your response?You can make a lot of bad decisions when your hammered like that at the start of the season. You may not have a lot of good decisions, but there are definitely some that are worse than others
I would take this one step further.Using your example and comparing it to the flawed poker mentality.When Ryan Grant does go down or any entrenched #1 RB in the NFL goes down for that matter,the flawed move would be to immediately go out and vastly overpay for the injured players'handcuff.
 
I think there are many lessons here. One relates to trading. You draft a guy in the 2nd round and he's disappointing. You get a trade offer that helps you in other areas that you need and gives you a decent replacement at that position. But you reject it because "he's your second round pick" and overvalued in your mind. You hold out for a price nobody is going to pay, you keep losing and you never improve. You don't want to "lock in" your mistake and you refuse to sell the loser. Interesting article.
Probably one of the biggest bad trends I have seen and continue to see in FF. People so often get wrapped up in "how much I paid for it" versus "What it is worth" and they hold that bad apple until nothing is left but a rotten core. Sometimes you have to simply cut your losses and move on.
Not that I disagree that sometimes you need to just cut your losses. But I'd stand by at least part of what you paid. Not so much specifically WHAT you paid, but why you paid it. When you have a high draft pick with a bad start, his total value is low but he still has huge upside. What you tend to get offered in return though is players who will do something, and be borderline startable, but are older and have no upside at all. They won't ever be more than they have been for the past 5-10 seasons. So its worth sticking to that pick, unless someone pays you what you paid for it, in hope that the upside shines through over the next year rather than give him away for a WR4 that would start for you 4 times this year.
 
i think a better example is you lose your #2 RB the first week of the season (say Ryan Grant last year). Perhaps you went late and he was your #1RB.That's a bad beat - no fault of your own, but you rolled snake eyes.What's your response?You can make a lot of bad decisions when your hammered like that at the start of the season. You may not have a lot of good decisions, but there are definitely some that are worse than others
I would take this one step further.Using your example and comparing it to the flawed poker mentality.When Ryan Grant does go down or any entrenched #1 RB in the NFL goes down for that matter,the flawed move would be to immediately go out and vastly overpay for the injured players'handcuff.
Another variation, for any leagues that use a free agent bid budget: spending your whole budget or a huge portion of it on one player to cover an injury.
 
'Neil Beaufort Zod said:
I think there are many lessons here. One relates to trading. You draft a guy in the 2nd round and he's disappointing. You get a trade offer that helps you in other areas that you need and gives you a decent replacement at that position. But you reject it because "he's your second round pick" and overvalued in your mind. You hold out for a price nobody is going to pay, you keep losing and you never improve. You don't want to "lock in" your mistake and you refuse to sell the loser. Interesting article.
There's a reason you, or another owner, is looking to buy this underperforming 2nd round pick. It's the whole buy low/sell high theory. But you are advocating the drafting owner should sell low because it hasn't worked so far. Maybe that owner feels the player is off to a slow start and will turn it around.
 
Thaler's research is actually an application of prospect theory (perhaps the most frequently cited theory in social science in the last 50 years). Daniel Kahneman actually won the noble prize in economics for Prospect theory.

The basic component of prospect theory that applies to this situation is that we tend to be risk averse in the domain of gains and risk seeking in the domain of losses. A basic example of this is that if you are $100 in vegas and the casino offers you a coinflip for double or nothing, most people won't take it. But if you are down $100, you are more likely to take the bet. The reason this happens is that losing $100 "hurts" more than winning a $100 is pleasant--losses loom larger than equivalent gains. In Thaler's example, people who just chose poorly are "on tilt" because they psychologically just lost money (at least expected money) and they take riskier gambles to try to get back even.

One fantasy football application of this is what people pursue on the waiver wire. If one has two options on the wire and one has limited upside and limited floor and the second has high upside and a low floor, one will be more likely to gamble on the high upside player if their season has gone poorly to date due to injuries, bad luck or whatever. In the domain of losses, they are more likely to gamble and take risks. Of course, in fantasy football there may be some value in this risk seeking behavior since there is no penalty for bombing out (you are either in the money or you are not). However, if you had to pay in additional money for falling further behind in the standings, this could be a suboptimal behavior.

 
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