Why don't more fantasy leagues use 2 qb's? (1 Viewer)

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Depends on league size IMO. I'm in a couple 14 team leagues and the last thing I want to do in those leagues are start 2 Qb, just way to watered down.

I could see it being fun in 8 man or 10 man leagues.

 

[Insein]

With 12 team leagues you need to go to "TEAMQB" and some people are more against that concept than any idea out there.

I do think TeamQB is a terrible idea. Just bump up your roster limit and let guys take their backups if they want to waste the space. TeamQB is the lazy man's fantasy football.

 

[Insein]

2QB leagues generally have to be 10 man or 12 man at the max. Not enough to go around otherwise. 10 is perfect for it. Everyone can get at least 3 starters that they can rotate on bye weeks. 12 is pushing it. Leaves a couple teams on the outs for a backup on bye weeks. It definitely adds more strategy to a standard 10 team league.

 

[Ray_T]

i play in 4 leagues. 3 out of the 4 are start 2 qbs leagues.i agree with you that there is more strategy involved with them. i think it has more to do with tradition then anything else.

yes. I agree. but I also think that some leagues just dont want the extra work.it's a lot harder to figure out who will step up to be a decent QB2 than it is to figure out who will be a decent QB1. it requires a lot more research and some people dont like that.

 

[Captain Hook]

Just wondering why this isn't more popular? I can say that the former requires a lot more strategy

You answered your own question - it requires a LOT more strategy.....for the average FF player that is NOT what they want. They want it to be FUN, not to be WORK

 

[Montana16]

1. Only 1 QB is on the field at any time - unlike WR, TE or even RB (aside from the wildcat)

That's the main reason in my leagues.

Yeah we will switch as soon as they line up 2 QB's under center.

Seriously! These are dead on. Its seems Ridiculous to me to start 2 qbs. The point of fantasy football is to simulate a football team! Theres only 1 qb on the field. Its laughably stupid to me to have 2 qbs starting. Why not 3 kickers to add in the kicker as a strategy element? Why not 2 team def? Why in fantasy basketball cant you start 5 centers? Look, I know I might get heat from this and sure it adds more strategy to have 2 qbs and if thats how u have fun with the game then go for it. But it would add strategy to be able to start baseball pitchers to ur fantasy football lineup as well. Its just not what happens in real life so why have it in ur "simulation" game?

 

[pidgeonmanza]

I like start one qb and then have 2 flexs which can be any offensive positions, so no one runs into the problem of not being able to start a qb, but qb's still aren't an afterthought

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

Whenever someone says that so-and-so changes the strategy of the draft, I think to myself, "Why are you still doing a draft?"All these rules to make the draft less predictable, more fair, more strategy, blah blah blah. Do an auction, and you won't need to add an 'element of strategy'.BTW, I won't do a 2 QB league because a) an injury to a QB becomes even more magnified and b) I think QB is already plenty important. You can have a good team, and waste a season because of a QB injury that has nothing to do with strategy.

meh auctions are not as fun unless you do them in person. Online auctions are the suck

 

[BigSteelThrill]

From around where I live... most leagues strive to hit 16 teams.

Its another way of solving the QB value (among of ton of other things).

 

[John 14:6]

1. Only 1 QB is on the field at any time - unlike WR, TE or even RB (aside from the wildcat)

That's the main reason in my leagues.

Yeah we will switch as soon as they line up 2 QB's under center.

Seriously! These are dead on. Its seems Ridiculous to me to start 2 qbs. The point of fantasy football is to simulate a football team! Theres only 1 qb on the field. Its laughably stupid to me to have 2 qbs starting. Why not 3 kickers to add in the kicker as a strategy element? Why not 2 team def? Why in fantasy basketball cant you start 5 centers? Look, I know I might get heat from this and sure it adds more strategy to have 2 qbs and if thats how u have fun with the game then go for it. But it would add strategy to be able to start baseball pitchers to ur fantasy football lineup as well. Its just not what happens in real life so why have it in ur "simulation" game?

I feel the same way about giving different positions different amounts of points for the same stats. Like when a WR will get 1 point for a reception and a TE will get 2 just to make the TEs more valuable. Most TEs in real football aren't as big of receiving threats as the WRs.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

1. Only 1 QB is on the field at any time - unlike WR, TE or even RB (aside from the wildcat)

That's the main reason in my leagues.

Yeah we will switch as soon as they line up 2 QB's under center.

Seriously! These are dead on. Its seems Ridiculous to me to start 2 qbs. The point of fantasy football is to simulate a football team! Theres only 1 qb on the field. Its laughably stupid to me to have 2 qbs starting. Why not 3 kickers to add in the kicker as a strategy element? Why not 2 team def? Why in fantasy basketball cant you start 5 centers? Look, I know I might get heat from this and sure it adds more strategy to have 2 qbs and if thats how u have fun with the game then go for it. But it would add strategy to be able to start baseball pitchers to ur fantasy football lineup as well. Its just not what happens in real life so why have it in ur "simulation" game?

I feel the same way about giving different positions different amounts of points for the same stats. Like when a WR will get 1 point for a reception and a TE will get 2 just to make the TEs more valuable. Most TEs in real football aren't as big of receiving threats as the WRs.

I love the ridiculous argument of how 2 QBs does not mimick the real NFL. Who cares? I don't play fantasy football to mimick the NFL, I play for the fun which it brings.

[*]How often do you see two tailbacks line up in the backfield in the NFL? Not very often. Should leagues start a tailback and fullback instead of two runningbacks cause it is what the NFL does?

[*]How many leagues give points for first downs? And why not? Those are important in the NFL.

[*]Howabout when a player's NFL team wins? Shouldn't a winning QB get some bonus points for winning?

[*]Why not draft Offensive lineman or Offensive lines as well for stats such as pancakes, and sacks allowed, rushing yards gained, passing yards gained, etc.?

[*]Why do you only have 10,12 or 16 teams in your league, the NFL has 32 teams?

[*]And I hope all your leagues have IDP as well and that you start 2 DT, 2 DE, 3 LB, 2 CB and 2 S, cause we need to match the NFL exactly.

Maybe if starting 2 QBs was the only real thing in your fantasy football league which didn't emulate the NFL, then maybe I would listen to that gripe, but that is never the case.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I love the ridiculous argument of how 2 QBs does not mimick the real NFL. Who cares? I don't play fantasy football to mimick the NFL, I play for the fun which it brings.

[*]How often do you see two tailbacks line up in the backfield in the NFL? Not very often. Should leagues start a tailback and fullback instead of two runningbacks cause it is what the NFL does?

[*]How many leagues give points for first downs? And why not? Those are important in the NFL.

[*]Howabout when a player's NFL team wins? Shouldn't a winning QB get some bonus points for winning?

[*]Why not draft Offensive lineman or Offensive lines as well for stats such as pancakes, and sacks allowed, rushing yards gained, passing yards gained, etc.?

[*]Why do you only have 10,12 or 16 teams in your league, the NFL has 32 teams?

[*]And I hope all your leagues have IDP as well and that you start 2 DT, 2 DE, 3 LB, 2 CB and 2 S, cause we need to match the NFL exactly.

Maybe if starting 2 QBs was the only real thing in your fantasy football league which didn't emulate the NFL, then maybe I would listen to that gripe, but that is never the case.

Breathe brother.2 QBs is very "odd" and misses the "feel".

 

[Bears_Man2]

2 QB leagues are very enjoyable. My local is a 10 team redraft. Considering firing up a similar dynasty.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

2 QB leagues are very enjoyable. My local is a 10 team redraft. Considering firing up a similar dynasty.

And I would absolutely agree with it in a 10 teamer, if I was forced to play in one.

 

[chidoy]

I love my 2qb league. As stated, more strategy is involved. IMO tho, it only works with 8-10 team leagues. 12+ teams doesn't work as well.

 

[FavreCo]

I don't know maybe for the same reason that NFL teams don't start 2 QBs.

 

[TWP]

I don't know maybe for the same reason that NFL teams don't start 2 QBs.

Because your QBs would be forced to play with one ball between the two of them? The whole "That's not the way it is in the NFL" argument is completely idiotic. You should do whatever is more fun. For many people, FF is a game of strategy, so adding elements to increase the strategic depth is more fun. For others, it is some type of football-ish activity to play around with, so for those guys having something that 'feels' like an NFL team (as one poster put it) makes sense. But just because it's not what the NFL does really has no bearing on it unless you add in the explicit comment "and I enjoy FF by doing something that feels somewhat similar to a real NFL team". But that is far from obvious, not true for many, and in some ways probably hard to justify. After all, your team has no real performance as a team -- it is just a collection of points for a bunch of statistical categories. Pretty freaking far from the reality of an NFL team.

 

[cobalt_27]

I don't know maybe for the same reason that NFL teams don't start 2 QBs.

So, your league uses Centers and Punters. Got it. Moving on.

 

[hotboyz]

We dont play with 2 starting qbs but we have 1 kinda unique rule, in my 12 team league we have 14 man roster and our starting lineup requirements are 1 qb,1te,1k and 1 def/st then for rb you can start any combination of 5 as long as you start at least 1rb and 2 wr so you could start 3rb and 2 wr or 4 wr and 1 rb or 3 wr or 2 rb we seem to like it! I would like to increase our roster size but implementing changes in a 15 yr old league is like pulling teeth lmao!

 

[steelerfan1]

The approach that I like the best is the "SuperFlex" which allows for a 2nd QB but doesn't mandate it. While many teams will use 2 QBs with a SuperFlex it makes Bye weeks and injuries easier to manage and with the right scoring system really provideds even more draft/roster strategy than even 2 QB leagues.I really dislike the inherent "devaluation" of the QB position in a standard 12 team league that only allows for 1 QB to play.

we do this as well.i think the super flex adds a lot to the dratf strategy and excitement.you know someone could be having the option to draft a drew brees and aaron rodgers back to back but what will he sacrifice?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I don't know maybe for the same reason that NFL teams don't start 2 QBs.

So, your league uses Centers and Punters. Got it. Moving on.

No, many of us just try and make it as realistic as possible. Some things just don't work or miss the feel of the game.

Like centers/o-linemen and certainly punters have been tried.

 

[Touchdown There]

The real question is "Why are most leagues so RB heavy?" Almost the entire first round of standard scoring leagues are RB picks. One word: BORING.

However, I admit that I made a mistake setting up my league, the 1 Yard Bomb. In the first year, you had to start 2 QBs. One team owner had an injury to his main QB and then on his other qb bye week he had ZERO qbs to start in a 2 qb league. Needless to say, there was some member feedback.

In the second year we changed the 2 QB rule to a 1 QB with a Superflex. Almost everyone uses the Superflex to start a second qb. This has worked out perfectly.

IF YOU LOVE A 2 QB LEAGUE, WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOU! --> http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=539554

 

[renesauz]

SIMPLE ANSWER TO A SIMPLE QUESTION:

FORCED TRADES ARE WRONG...PERIOD.

There are not enough starters to ensure every team can carry a legit backup, creating a situation where folks have no choice but to trade mid-season to insert a valid lineup. To me, this is inherently unfair. An no..that situation applies to NO other position. How many RB's see 8+ touches on a given week? 50? 60? (And another 30 to see at least 3 or 4 touches) How many QB's can be predicted to see even 3+ touches? 32...if there's no byes that week.

OTOH...I love the strategy and QB value bump of super-flex leagues...a happy medium which addresses most of the problems.

 

[southeastjerome]

SIMPLE ANSWER TO A SIMPLE QUESTION:

FORCED TRADES ARE WRONG...PERIOD.

There are not enough starters to ensure every team can carry a legit backup, creating a situation where folks have no choice but to trade mid-season to insert a valid lineup. To me, this is inherently unfair. An no..that situation applies to NO other position. How many RB's see 8+ touches on a given week? 50? 60? (And another 30 to see at least 3 or 4 touches) How many QB's can be predicted to see even 3+ touches? 32...if there's no byes that week.

OTOH...I love the strategy and QB value bump of super-flex leagues...a happy medium which addresses most of the problems.

I've been in one QB league for about 12 years now and I can honestly say that scenario has never happened.

 

[AngryPatriot]

Throw in my 2 cents for roughly copying the NFL format. 2 QB's is just unnatural. 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR is a good model. Of course variety is the spice of life so if it's fun for you great, it's a fantasy! I did it and got out of the league after awhile, not for me. QB is the most "solitary" and important player on the field. That's how it should be in FF.

 

[rizzler]

two QB leagues...

that is straight up poppycock!!!!

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Throw in my 2 cents for roughly copying the NFL format. 2 QB's is just unnatural. 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR is a good model. Of course variety is the spice of life so if it's fun for you great, it's a fantasy! I did it and got out of the league after awhile, not for me. QB is the most "solitary" and important player on the field. That's how it should be in FF.

Well that isn't the case when you only start one QB, and the major reason people are going to a 2QB or SuperFlex model. Of the skill positions, the QB is usually the 2nd least valuable position in fantasy football behind the TE in a standard FF format.My philosophy is that the skill positions should all have similar value in a fantasy league. (i.e. so QB1 is similar to RB1 and WR1). The best way of accomplishing that is with a 2QB or SuperFllex format with PPR.

Our league was sick of the scripted heavy RB drafts with QBs not really even being drafted until the 3rd-6th rounds. With a 2QB, or SuperFlex, it means you can take numerous strategies to build your team because the positions are similar in value. Now our drafts are evenly balanced in terms of when positions are drafted (i.e. 4 QBs, 4RBs, 4WRs drafted in the first round).

 

[Lascelle]

You know if we're all about copying the NFL, then we should really go all out and only play in 32-team fantasy leagues.

These 10 and 12-team leagues just don't cut the mustard.

 

[renesauz]

SIMPLE ANSWER TO A SIMPLE QUESTION:

FORCED TRADES ARE WRONG...PERIOD.

There are not enough starters to ensure every team can carry a legit backup, creating a situation where folks have no choice but to trade mid-season to insert a valid lineup. To me, this is inherently unfair. An no..that situation applies to NO other position. How many RB's see 8+ touches on a given week? 50? 60? (And another 30 to see at least 3 or 4 touches) How many QB's can be predicted to see even 3+ touches? 32...if there's no byes that week.

OTOH...I love the strategy and QB value bump of super-flex leagues...a happy medium which addresses most of the problems.

I've been in one QB league for about 12 years now and I can honestly say that scenario has never happened.

If the setup necessitates in season trades in order to put in a complete, valid lineup...then it forces trades. 12 team start 2 QB leagues force trades...period.

 

[LTF]

Been running a ten team keeper league with 2 starting QBs (along with other expanded slots) for years... the most fun and strategic league I've ever been a part of.

I can understand the argument against it based off the size of the league, but for a 10 team league it's perfect.

 

[FUBAR]

SIMPLE ANSWER TO A SIMPLE QUESTION:

FORCED TRADES ARE WRONG...PERIOD.

There are not enough starters to ensure every team can carry a legit backup, creating a situation where folks have no choice but to trade mid-season to insert a valid lineup. To me, this is inherently unfair. An no..that situation applies to NO other position. How many RB's see 8+ touches on a given week? 50? 60? (And another 30 to see at least 3 or 4 touches) How many QB's can be predicted to see even 3+ touches? 32...if there's no byes that week.

OTOH...I love the strategy and QB value bump of super-flex leagues...a happy medium which addresses most of the problems.

I've been in one QB league for about 12 years now and I can honestly say that scenario has never happened.

If the setup necessitates in season trades in order to put in a complete, valid lineup...then it forces trades. 12 team start 2 QB leagues force trades...period.

You're assuming every team is going to not take the hit for a week or the league rules require not only your best lineup but a "complete" one? the 2QB leagues I've been in have seen teams strategically take the hit or find a guy on waivers for the week. I ran a 12 team superflex for a few years, was one of my favorite formats so I'll probably go that route if we wanted more than 10 teams, but nobody is forced to make deals there.

 

[John 14:6]

I don't know maybe for the same reason that NFL teams don't start 2 QBs.

So, your league uses Centers and Punters. Got it. Moving on.

I would love to somehow incorporate olinemen and punters into fantasy football...I don't mind the idea of 2 QB leagues, but the thread's titled "Why don't more fantasy leagues use 2 qb's?" and the answer appears to be because real football doesn't use 2 QBs. It's just fantasy football, so if you want to play with 2 QBs go for it. Neither way is right or wrong, they're just different preferences...

 

[Godsbrother]

12-team league that allows QB as a flex. The one thing it definitely does is makes QBs MUCH more valuable during the draft. Typically we will have a minimum of 5 or 6 QBs go in the first round and everyone has at least on QB on their roster by the end of round 3.

This makes the most mock drafts that you see on the web and magazines less valuable.

 

[HenryMuto]

Just add QB to flex option and things will be just fine. You don't need a 2 QB league if u make it a flex 80% will use them anyway and they will be drafted very high. I was part of a league like this from 2004-2008 very fun, in 2007 I had Brady and Brees (got them in 3/4 rounds) man what a fun year that was (also had Moss and Welker too) yet someone lost the title game by a mere .45 pts (less than 1/2 point)

 

[southeastjerome]

SIMPLE ANSWER TO A SIMPLE QUESTION:

FORCED TRADES ARE WRONG...PERIOD.

There are not enough starters to ensure every team can carry a legit backup, creating a situation where folks have no choice but to trade mid-season to insert a valid lineup. To me, this is inherently unfair. An no..that situation applies to NO other position. How many RB's see 8+ touches on a given week? 50? 60? (And another 30 to see at least 3 or 4 touches) How many QB's can be predicted to see even 3+ touches? 32...if there's no byes that week.

OTOH...I love the strategy and QB value bump of super-flex leagues...a happy medium which addresses most of the problems.

I've been in one QB league for about 12 years now and I can honestly say that scenario has never happened.

If the setup necessitates in season trades in order to put in a complete, valid lineup...then it forces trades. 12 team start 2 QB leagues force trades...period.

It is a 10 team league and works great.

 

[atl3695]

Here is a league for all you 2 qb fans. $75 Buy-in PPR with funds held by leaguesafe.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=540342

 

[VaTerp]

To each their own I guess.

Instead of 2 QBs I dont understand why more leagues don't use 6 pts for ALL TDs.

 

[Chaka]

1. Only 1 QB is on the field at any time - unlike WR, TE or even RB (aside from the wildcat)

That's the main reason in my leagues.

Yeah we will switch as soon as they line up 2 QB's under center.

If realism is so important why doesn't it bother you that the most valuable position in football (QB - no question about this) is the least valuable on your fantasy roster (except for kickers)? OTOH the most fungible position in the NFL (RB - above only safeties, kicker/punter & tight ends) is the most valuable in the fantasy world.That's just as crazy and misguided as the 2QB under center scenario.

 

[Chaka]

More than the 'realism' argument is the fact that people are comfortable with things that feel familiar. It is easier to rationalize the ridiculous value of RBs (who in the NFL are paid more as a group than only safeties, K/P & TEs) in fantasy leagues than the thought of adding a potential second starting QB (even though it is the most important position in the NFL).

To simplify the point: "People fear change."

 

[FavreCo]

I don't know maybe for the same reason that NFL teams don't start 2 QBs.

So, your league uses Centers and Punters. Got it. Moving on.

You got that right. Moving on from this ridiculous idea. See posts that agree with me above. This by far the dumbest thing I have ever heard of in FF.

 

[Insein]

I don't know maybe for the same reason that NFL teams don't start 2 QBs.

So, your league uses Centers and Punters. Got it. Moving on.

You got that right. Moving on from this ridiculous idea. See posts that agree with me above. This by far the dumbest thing I have ever heard of in FF.

As was PPR and auctions at one point. 2QB leagues will carve out their niche of fans who like the strategy of the draft and the season then the boredom of predictability. I will only play in 2QB leagues anymore.