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Why dont they just shutdown Felix Jones? (1 Viewer)
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FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Because switz says they can't?!?!
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I thought he ditched the knee brace?
TheHuddle) DallasCowboys.com, reports Dallas Cowboys RB Felix Jones (knee) said he will continue to wear a protective knee brace Week 10. Jones said, "The brace is there to 'protect and serve' me. I feel like it's getting better. It's always getting better. The knee is feeling a lot better when I run. Even though it doesn't really hurt, just the power that I get back." The team has noticed improvement in Jones, which is why head coach Wade Phillips said he would like to get Jones more offensive touches.
Analysis: Fantasy owners should not expect Jones to get very many carries in Week 10 even if he gets back on the field. Marion Barber and Tashard Choice are both running well so Jones is likely to be the odd man out as the Cowboys work him back into the offense. Jones has a lot of potential but continues to battle injury problems which keeps the talented runner from contributing to the Dallas offense like fantasy owners visioned early in the season.
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Analysis: Fantasy owners should not expect Jones to get very many carries in Week 10 even if he gets back on the field. Marion Barber and Tashard Choice are both running well so Jones is likely to be the odd man out as the Cowboys work him back into the offense. Jones has a lot of potential but continues to battle injury problems which keeps the talented runner from contributing to the Dallas offense like fantasy owners visioned early in the season.
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the spanker
Footballguy
I have a feeling, just a feeling, that we haven't heard the last of Choice making a real impact this season.
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switz
Footballguy
Yep, they're looking at using him as a kick returner... he'll ge to make his impact there.BTW, shut down Felix? If they haven't shut down Barber averaging 3.3 YPC, they won't shut down Felix, who even with the brace is averaging 4.3 in games, and for the season is still >7YPC.
That's ridiculous.the spanker
Footballguy
So what are you saying Switz? You wouldn't bother to stash Choice this year?Yep, they're looking at using him as a kick returner... he'll ge to make his impact there.BTW, shut down Felix? If they haven't shut down Barber averaging 3.3 YPC, they won't shut down Felix, who even with the brace is averaging 4.3 in games, and for the season is still >7YPC.That's ridiculous.
Hastur
Footballguy
He does seem a bit hampered still, along with MBIII. This week against GB all three should play, but the next two weeks(WAS and OAK) FJ and MBIII could use some time off to heal completely. Let Choice carry the load for two weeks, then have all three healthy for the Giants, SD, and NO.
Football Jones
Footballguy
No doubt he's hampered by the knee. That said, I've traded for him in a couple of dynasty leagues because I feel he'll be a top FF-producer in the near future. For all the talk of Dallas being a RBBC team, Felix will eventually force his way in as their feature back, IMO
The key is him staying healthy, but the fragile label is vastly overused. My guess is Felix will be one of the best FF RBs in the league within 2 years (especially PPR).
The key is him staying healthy, but the fragile label is vastly overused. My guess is Felix will be one of the best FF RBs in the league within 2 years (especially PPR).
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Buffaloes
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm hanging on to him in redraft for the same reason. The guys ahead of him seem to have some injury issues and Choice has been money everytime he's been given the chance to be *the guy.* Choice has been impressive when given the opportunity this year, even in the limited touches he's had since Jones and Barber have returned.
fsufan
Footballguy
i have a feeling choice will be the RB of the future for the Cowboys
joffer
Footballguy
i know i'll regret this, but....huh?
Chaka
Footballguy
identikit
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
Yeah, Barber is only averaging 4.6 ypc this year. But what's an extra 1.3 ypc amongst friends......
I'm dissapointed in Garrett not getting Felix more involved in the offense.
I know he hasn't been 100% healthy, but Barber hasn't been either.
Choice is a very good RB and he's healthy and they don't use him enough.
I thought the way the three headed monster would pan out is the following:
Mix Barber and Felix early. Mix Choice in the 2nd and 3rd quarter. Gives Barber a breather.
Finish strong with Barber's crushing style and Felix's speed when the D is worn down.
We have become a team that passes and mixes the run. Not run to setup the pass.
Not sure of the continued success here.
We're winning, but the rush was strong early in the year and we went way down as a focus as soon as Austin started opening up the passing.
I know you stick with what's working, but teams are now putting help on Austin and thinking Roy and Crayton can't "beat" them as bad as Austin.
If that happens, the run game is critical. Particularly in the NFC East in the Dec. cold weather games.
Time will tell. I hope I'm wrong, but concerned for sure.
I know he hasn't been 100% healthy, but Barber hasn't been either.
Choice is a very good RB and he's healthy and they don't use him enough.
I thought the way the three headed monster would pan out is the following:
Mix Barber and Felix early. Mix Choice in the 2nd and 3rd quarter. Gives Barber a breather.
Finish strong with Barber's crushing style and Felix's speed when the D is worn down.
We have become a team that passes and mixes the run. Not run to setup the pass.
Not sure of the continued success here.
We're winning, but the rush was strong early in the year and we went way down as a focus as soon as Austin started opening up the passing.
I know you stick with what's working, but teams are now putting help on Austin and thinking Roy and Crayton can't "beat" them as bad as Austin.
If that happens, the run game is critical. Particularly in the NFC East in the Dec. cold weather games.
Time will tell. I hope I'm wrong, but concerned for sure.
switz
Footballguy
Barber hasn't averaged 4.6 YPC in a game since week 2. He finally broke >4.0 last week, with 4.2.Barber's YPC has been 3.7, 3.5, 3.4, 3.8 in the 4 game prior to last.gianmarco said:
In the last three games Felix averaged 4.6, 4.9, 2.5 with only 4 carries in the last game.
While you may want to argue with my exaggeration of a whopping 0.42 YPC (Barber's averaged 3.72 YPC over the last 5 games), you're missing the entire point of the post.
If they didn't shut down Barber, who has been much worse than Felix, they won't shut down Felix.
Pretty sad I have to actually explain that...
Manster
Footballguy
Yeah, Barber is only averaging 4.6 ypc this year. But what's an extra 1.3 ypc amongst friends......
Barber hasn't averaged 4.6 YPC in a game since week 2. He finally broke >4.0 last week, with 4.2.
Barber's YPC has been 3.7, 3.5, 3.4, 3.8 in the 4 game prior to last.
In the last three games Felix averaged 4.6, 4.9, 2.5 with only 4 carries in the last game.
While you may want to argue with my exaggeration of a whopping 0.42 YPC (Barber's averaged 3.72 YPC over the last 5 games), you're missing the entire point of the post.
If they didn't shut down Barber, who has been much worse than Felix, they won't shut down Felix.
Pretty sad I have to actually explain that...
no, whats sad, is you feel you have to lie and manipulate the stats. the fact is, MB has 4.6 yd/carry this season. you can spin it any way you want, it aint changin
Barber hasn't averaged 4.6 YPC in a game since week 2. He finally broke >4.0 last week, with 4.2.
Barber's YPC has been 3.7, 3.5, 3.4, 3.8 in the 4 game prior to last.
In the last three games Felix averaged 4.6, 4.9, 2.5 with only 4 carries in the last game.
While you may want to argue with my exaggeration of a whopping 0.42 YPC (Barber's averaged 3.72 YPC over the last 5 games), you're missing the entire point of the post.
If they didn't shut down Barber, who has been much worse than Felix, they won't shut down Felix.
Pretty sad I have to actually explain that...
no, whats sad, is you feel you have to lie and manipulate the stats. the fact is, MB has 4.6 yd/carry this season. you can spin it any way you want, it aint changin
switz
Footballguy
I didn't lie or manipulate stats.
I didn't say Barber was averaging 3.3 for the year. In the context I was clearly referring to how he's performed during injury, as this thread is all about Jones performance lagging during his games coming back from injury. Barber's done notably worse during his games coming back from injury. And there's not "manipulation" of stats to see that, just use your eyes.It's pathetic you're even trying to go there.
ETA - as far as "it aint changin" - that's a lie. Each game his YPC for the year will change. It's gone down continually each game since week 2 so far. Last time I checked, movement in either direction is change.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
After all that nonsense, I'm still not seeing 3.3 anywhere. And your insinuation that .42 YPC is minimal is hilarious. Pretty sad you tried to actually explain that....
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Classic cherry-picking of the stats by switz. 
Hey, I can do this, too....Did you all know that at one point this season, Chris Johnson was averaging 91 yards per carry. I mean, not for the whole season, or even a whole game, but if you just focus on that one carry he had in week 2, he was averaging 91 YPC. Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, I can do this, too....Did you all know that at one point this season, Chris Johnson was averaging 91 yards per carry. I mean, not for the whole season, or even a whole game, but if you just focus on that one carry he had in week 2, he was averaging 91 YPC. Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
switz
Footballguy
Yeah, because one carry = 5 gamesClassic cherry-picking of the stats by switz.
You guys can try to discredit my pint all you want, you just look all the more foolish for attempting it.The OP says:
Felix's YPC during that span has been 4.3 ... somehow that's more valid than Barber's over a slightly LONGER span being 3.72 ???
You said Barber's YPC was 3.3, but then when called on it, you admitted that your number was wrong by a lot, but that's neither lying nor manipulating stats? :rollseyes:And since your grasp of football is apparently not so strong, you should be aware that COP-type backs often carry higher YPC averages than the featured/power back they're behind. Heck many years Tomlinson has had a lower YPC than his backup, for example, and he's been an absolute FF stud.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Wow. You claimed Barber had a 3.3 ypc and it's FLAT OUT WRONG and you're calling someone else foolish for pointing that out? Secondly, REREAD THE QUOTE THAT YOU JUST INCLUDED. Barber's name is nowhere on it. Not one spot. He said since he's wearing the brace, Felix isn't the same explosive back. The guy was averaging over 10 ypc before the brace. He's now averaging "only" 4.3 ypc. I think the quote that you're trying to discredit is dead-on accurate. And watching him play, he is NOT as explosive as before and it's definitely hampering him. Somehow you felt the need to throw in Barber in the mix. No one even uttered Barber's name until you just couldn't help yourself. Not a single person said Felix is doing worse than Barber. The point was that Felix is obviously still ailing and maybe they should let him heal. Your bias is absolutely stunning at times and completely ruins any point you might actually be making.Yeah, because one carry = 5 gamesClassic cherry-picking of the stats by switz.Hey, I can do this, too....Did you all know that at one point this season, Chris Johnson was averaging 91 yards per carry. I mean, not for the whole season, or even a whole game, but if you just focus on that one carry he had in week 2, he was averaging 91 YPC. Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Felix's YPC during that span has been 4.3 ... somehow that's more valid than Barber's over a slightly LONGER span being 3.72 ???
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Try comparing that 4.3 with Jones' pre-injury YPC and then tell me the OP isn't exactly right.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Countdown to another comparison between Felix and Barber and how Felix is exponentially better in 3.....2.....1........
switz
Footballguy
I didn't say he was wrong... just that the Cowboys won't shut Jones down given their handling of Barber.
lyon812
Footballguy
Really, Barber's numbers should be split this way:
Before quad injury (weeks 1-2): 32-203, 6.3ypc
After quad injury (weeks 3-9, 5 games): 66-244, 3.7ypc.
So, even if you throw out his strong start to the year, he's at 3.7ypc with a bad quad. Heck, that's pretty damn good.
However, despite the 3.3 weirdness, what Switz is saying--accurately--is that the stats produced by injured!Jones are superior to the stats produced by injured!Barber.
And, based on that, if the Cowboys are going to continue running Barber out there, chances are they'll continue running Jones out there.
Before quad injury (weeks 1-2): 32-203, 6.3ypc
After quad injury (weeks 3-9, 5 games): 66-244, 3.7ypc.
So, even if you throw out his strong start to the year, he's at 3.7ypc with a bad quad. Heck, that's pretty damn good.
However, despite the 3.3 weirdness, what Switz is saying--accurately--is that the stats produced by injured!Jones are superior to the stats produced by injured!Barber.
And, based on that, if the Cowboys are going to continue running Barber out there, chances are they'll continue running Jones out there.
crnerblitz
Footballguy
Fight the fight switz. Rule of large numbers is on your side.
switz
Footballguy
Do you even know how to read?I didn't try to discredit the quote. I didn't say he was wrong that Felix was less explosive than he had been before. I agree he has been much less explosive.However, given the way Dallas has handled Barber, who was obviously severely affected by his injury (6.3 YPC prior - 3.7 post) they aren't going to shut down Jones either. Barber is a point of reference, and yes, no matter which Dallas RB someone talks about, the other RBs on staff will be used as a comparison. We're not talking about how the Titans use Chris Johnson - that's irrelevant. We're talking about how the Cowboys treat RBs on their team that are recovering from injury - Barber is a perfectly fine example of that.As for the 3.3 being "wrong" - yeah it was, it was off the top of my head and was exaggeratedly low (though not intentionally), I hadn't looked it up, I knew he was in the low-mid threes for his YPC a few games in a row, while recovering from injury. The fact people are focusing so much on 3.3 versus 3.7 is asinine. You can argue 3.3 - 3.7 is a big difference, but bottom line is neither are good.Point is - the Cowboys simply aren't going to shut down their RBs unless they can't play at all. We've had nearly two years to observe this.Try reading what I write, instead of looking for something to jump on...Wow. You claimed Barber had a 3.3 ypc and it's FLAT OUT WRONG and you're calling someone else foolish for pointing that out? Secondly, REREAD THE QUOTE THAT YOU JUST INCLUDED. Barber's name is nowhere on it. Not one spot. He said since he's wearing the brace, Felix isn't the same explosive back. The guy was averaging over 10 ypc before the brace. He's now averaging "only" 4.3 ypc. I think the quote that you're trying to discredit is dead-on accurate. And watching him play, he is NOT as explosive as before and it's definitely hampering him. Somehow you felt the need to throw in Barber in the mix. No one even uttered Barber's name until you just couldn't help yourself. Not a single person said Felix is doing worse than Barber. The point was that Felix is obviously still ailing and maybe they should let him heal. Your bias is absolutely stunning at times and completely ruins any point you might actually be making.
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Manster
Footballguy
dude, you can spin how you want, but you are so biased toward Felix it's disgusting.i watch every game. MB has not looked as bad as you say. you want him to fail so you can say, "see, im a genius, told ya so".Do you even know how to read?I didn't try to discredit the quote. I didn't say he was wrong that Felix was less explosive than he had been before. I agree he has been much less explosive.Wow. You claimed Barber had a 3.3 ypc and it's FLAT OUT WRONG and you're calling someone else foolish for pointing that out? Secondly, REREAD THE QUOTE THAT YOU JUST INCLUDED. Barber's name is nowhere on it. Not one spot. He said since he's wearing the brace, Felix isn't the same explosive back. The guy was averaging over 10 ypc before the brace. He's now averaging "only" 4.3 ypc. I think the quote that you're trying to discredit is dead-on accurate. And watching him play, he is NOT as explosive as before and it's definitely hampering him. Somehow you felt the need to throw in Barber in the mix. No one even uttered Barber's name until you just couldn't help yourself. Not a single person said Felix is doing worse than Barber. The point was that Felix is obviously still ailing and maybe they should let him heal. Your bias is absolutely stunning at times and completely ruins any point you might actually be making.
However, given the way Dallas has handled Barber, who was obviously severely affected by his injury (6.3 YPC prior - 3.7 post) they aren't going to shut down Jones either. Barber is a point of reference, and yes, no matter which Dallas RB someone talks about, the other RBs on staff will be used as a comparison. We're not talking about how the Titans use Chris Johnson - that's irrelevant. We're talking about how the Cowboys treat RBs on their team that are recovering from injury - Barber is a perfectly fine example of that.
As for the 3.3 being "wrong" - yeah it was, it was off the top of my head and was exaggeratedly low (though not intentionally), I hadn't looked it up, I knew he was in the low-mid threes for his YPC a few games in a row, while recovering from injury. The fact people are focusing so much on 3.3 versus 3.7 is asinine. You can argue 3.3 - 3.7 is a big difference, but bottom line is neither are good.
Point is - the Cowboys simply aren't going to shut down their RBs unless they can't play at all. We've had nearly two years to observe this.
Try reading what I write, instead of looking for something to jump on...
The Comedian
Footballguy
I love how in switz's world, the Dallas coaches are sitting in an office, making decisions based on an Excel graph with ypc's.
Hint: ypc is a stat that nerds on the internet use when they want to think they're talking about football intelligently. The people who are in football and make decisions and evaluate players do something REALLY crazy - they watch the games. About 99% of switz's post are based on visiting NFL.com for 90 seconds.
joffer
Footballguy
of course not, why would we think that?
switz
Footballguy
dooood... LOLWhere's that pot/kettle emoticon again? You call me biased, but can't see Barber's been struggling? <_<What's funny is nothing in this thread has been based toward Jones, against Barber on my end... it's been purely about how the Cowboys handle their backs. The only getting their panties bunched up are those who love Barber (or Choice), or hate Jones - and want to read into anything and everything.I haven't once said in this thread that Jones is better than Barber, that Barber stinks, or anything of the sort. You guys crack me up with your reading comprehension skills... a little easily upset huh?
gianmarco
Footballguy
switz
Footballguy
It was in reference to the injury, not overall. Context my man, context....
Manster
Footballguy
dooood... LOLWhere's that pot/kettle emoticon again? You call me biased, but can't see Barber's been struggling?
im a Cowboys fan. i dont care who runs the ball, as long as we win. i just dont get the TOTAL Felix love and the MB hate. i guess we see it differently.
two_dollars
Footballguy
They need to shut Felix down not because of his drop in performance, but just so he doesn't have a career ending ######l sprain.
Banger
Footballguy
There's a difference between shutting down Felix and shutting down Barber due to injuries as they are two different kinds of backs that play different roles in the offense. One back is a grinder and a pounder and while he may run for a lesser ypc, or may be slightly less effective he can still play his role as the workhorse back in the offense and be effective. Jones's game on the other hand is based solely on speed and breakaway ability and if he doesn't have that he's really not useful. Comparing the two of them and their roles is comparing apples and oranges.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
I think the Switz's Felix shtick has finally become as annoying as LHUCKS and his Pac10 garbage. Only difference is I think LHUCKS is smart enough to understand that what he is doing is shtick.
Chaka
Footballguy
I am a Felix owner and would love nothing more than to see Barber and Choice struggle and Felix move into the lead role.
But switz please stop. I think you generally make compelling arguments but your handling of the 3.3ypc mess (of your own making) significantly diminishes your credibility when speaking about the Cowboys running game. There is very little in your posts that can be viewed as objective.
You should have owned up after you were called on it the first time.
But switz please stop. I think you generally make compelling arguments but your handling of the 3.3ypc mess (of your own making) significantly diminishes your credibility when speaking about the Cowboys running game. There is very little in your posts that can be viewed as objective.
You should have owned up after you were called on it the first time.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Avg over 4 YPC against aTough Philly D in Philly last week, and MB3 is going to explode against the swiss cheese that is Green BaySwitz, seriously you need to stop with the Barber hate; we all know you love Felix and defend him with a passion... but the fact is the kid just isn't living up to the hype. He slowing becoming Reggie BushChaka said:He averaged 3.36 YPC vs Atlanta.joffer said:
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
its really becoming annoying; we can not have a serious discussion about Felix Jones with out the guy coming in and being a Tool... it deteriorates the original purpose of the thread
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Sure, Switz is a huge Jones supporter, but I think people are overreacting to what he has actually said in this thread. I think from pure eye watching Chioice has looked like the most consistent and best running back for the cowboys thus far this season. I also happen to think that F. Jones barring any more set backs from injuries (which is his major achilles heal so far) will prove that he is the Cowboys best rb and most dangerous weapon.its really becoming annoying; we can not have a serious discussion about Felix Jones with out the guy coming in and being a Tool... it deteriorates the original purpose of the thread
Gigantomachia
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
I usually do but it makes it difficult to accept the analysis when you know it comes from a source who is not honest about their bias. Loving Jones so much that he doesn't bother to check his facts regarding the competition significantly diminishes the subsequent analysis.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I have to say that this is one of the strangest-sounding apologies I've seen.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I used to, but now hes giving out misleading stats like stating Barber has a 3.something avg. Sorry, but when you start giving out misleading info you need to be called out.
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