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Why is DeAngelo Hall a scapegoat today? (1 Viewer)

All over talk radio and now Around the Horn they are talking about how Hall lost that game for them because of how many yards he gave up on penalties.

1) The big yardage came on a PI call when he got beat by Smith and saved a TD. Why is that wrong?

2) Next play he pushes Smith off the LOS when the ball is snapped and gets a personal foul. Why was that different than bumping off the line of scrimmage?

He had a lot of attention focused on him for those two plays, but I fail to see how he did anything wrong and thought being flagged for bumping Smith was unnecessary. He didn't take a swing at him ala Deion Sanders v Andre Rison or stomp on his face after the play was over.

 
FLOWERY BRANCH, Ga. -- DeAngelo Hall faces "substantial discipline" that may include a suspension following his meltdown on the field and on the sideline against Carolina. We certainly don't like the actions that took place on the field and do not like the actions that happened on the sideline and that's something that we'll deal with. There will be substantial discipline. It will be handled in-house. Bobby PetrinoHall's loss of composure on the field helped lead to the Atlanta Falcons' third straight loss. His tirade on the sideline could cost him a fine or a suspension.Hall, the Falcons' two-time Pro Bowl cornerback, drew three penalties for 67 yards on Carolina's game-tying drive in the third quarter of the Panthers' 27-20 win Sunday."I made a mistake. I promise you it won't happen again, no matter what," Hall said Monday."It don't feel good to be the reason your team lost the game, whether it's giving up a touchdown pass or you get a stupid penalty. It all feels the same. ... Ultimately, I let the team down."The penalties hurt, but disciplinary actions being considered by coach Bobby Petrino may be the result of Hall, enraged by the penalties, confronting the coach in an animated sideline tirade."We certainly don't like the actions that took place on the field and do not like the actions that happened on the sideline and that's something that we'll deal with," Petrino said. "There will be substantial discipline. It will be handled in-house."When asked if Hall could be suspended next Sunday against Houston, Petrino said: "We haven't come to any conclusions yet. We're keeping all our options open, but we certainly will do something."Petrino conferred with team leaders about Hall on Monday."I guess they're coming up with a plan, determining what they feel is the best thing to do," Hall said."If it's a suspension or a fine, especially if it's a suspension, I take it in full stride."The Falcons already have endured the indefinite suspension of quarterback Michael Vick following his guilty plea on a dogfighting charge last month. Vick faces sentencing on Dec. 10.Now Hall's status is uncertain."Whatever decision is made, we've got to accept it," said linebacker Keith Brooking. "We've been faced with a lot this year."DeAngelo will learn from it and he'll be a better man, better person, better player for whatever action is taken."Hall shut down receiver Steve Smith through most of the game. Smith did not have a catch when the Falcons led 17-10 in the third quarter, but the momentum shifted when Hall was called for a 37-yard pass interference penalty on Smith.One play later, Hall was penalized for roughness after he tried to jam Smith at the line. The Falcons' defense held when Jake Delhomme was sacked by John Abraham on third down from the Atlanta 20, but an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty against the free-talking Hall as he was walking off the field kept the Panthers' drive alive.Two plays later, Delhomme threw a pass to Jeff King for the tying score.Hall, enraged by the penalties, engaged Petrino and assistant coach Joe Whitt Jr. in heated sideline tirades.At one point, Hall had to be restrained by three players.Hall said he has traded trash talk with other receivers, but has never drawn a penalty. He says he has learned a lesson."The same things you love about me are going to be the same things you hate about me," Hall said. "The same fire and intensity I bring on the field, it kind of gets me in trouble."Petrino, the former Louisville coach, is in his first season with the Falcons. He said he has made adjustments in his dealings with college and professional players, but some standards are the same at all levels.Presumably, one line that should not be crossed at any level is a player yelling at a coach."The thing I want to try to be is consistent so everybody understands how you conduct your business," Petrino said. "There's basically universal rights and wrongs to being a member of a team, and most all of the players understand that."Petrino would not comment on what Hall said to the coach."We're also going to keep anything that happened on the sideline in-house," Petrino said. "It's really between our team."Thanks to the live TV coverage, the confrontation was anything but private, however.When asked Sunday what he said to Petrino, Hall said: "We just were talking, talking about the plays that happened. He was telling me what he thought and I was telling him what I felt."Petrino said he conferred with his defensive assistants about pulling Hall from the game."Sometimes you have to handle the situation at hand on how you feel you've got a chance to win the game and what you feel is best at the time," Petrino said Monday."Then once the game is over with, you sit back and reanalyze. Should I have pulled him out of the game? I don't know. Maybe I should have, but I made the decision not to."Falcons players said Hall's penalties hurt the team, but were not solely responsible for the loss."In hindsight, yeah you have to try to control yourself," said running back Warrick Dunn. "... We still had opportunities to win the game."Defensive tackle Grady Jackson, one of the players who had to restrain Hall on the sideline, said, "It changed the momentum and I feel like that was the game-changer."
 
Rumors here in Atlanta is that some of his teammates got a little physical with him in the locker room after the game.

His act has been wearing thin with the public for awhile & now it also seems some of his teammates.

I know he was soundly boo'ed after he had all those penalties & then let Smith make a catch & slip his tackle. The "I Own 85" haircut wasn't very well received. Hall ended up being the butt of many jokes for that one. Last years play for the pick on the Hail Mary that he whiffed on, instead of just batting it down to end the half, went over like a lead balloon too.

 
Fred Kalil (local ATL sports TV guy) blog entry:

http://www.11alive.com/sports/columnist/bl...?storyid=103611

Blog: You Sir, Are No Deion Sanders

Written by: Fred Kalil

Last Modified: 9/24/2007 6:05:45 PM

As I watched DeAngelo Hall Sunday, or "Meangelo" Hall, as the AJC referred to the Falcons cornerback, I could only wonder what a man who made the Falcons number 21 famous must have thought.

Deion Sanders was the best cornerback to wear a Falcons uniform. An all pro, a true shutdown corner, an exciting punt and kick returner and yes, even an offensive threat when inserted at wide receiver.

When I hear the comparison talk of D. Hall to D. Sanders, it makes me think of Sen. Lloyd Bentsen, the Democratic Vice Presidential candidate who embarrassed his counterpart Dan Quayle with the now-famous “You are no Jack Kennedy” exchange. I say that because my response might go along those same lines.

"I knew Deion Sanders, I covered Deion Sanders in both the NFL and Major League Baseball and you sir, are no Deion Sanders."

I feel comfortable saying this because I believe it’s true.

Sure, Deion may have gotten beat a couple of times and his famous kick and trip tackles are legendary, but Deion would never have been baited into a penalty, let alone two, back-to-back personal fouls. Carolina’s Steve Smith did just that to DeAngelo Hall, and 67 yards later, the Carolina Panthers were securing a victory in the Georgia Dome.

Let’s walk through what happened. Steve Smith has DeAngelo Hall beaten, so D. Hall holds him up resulting in a penalty. Fine, it’s better to be penalized than give up a potential game-tying touchdown with a 17-10 lead.

It’s what happened next that is inexcusable. DeAngelo Hall was penalized TWICE for unsportsmanlike conduct on successive plays, and 37 yards (from the spot of the foul) for pass interference and holding. 67 YARDS in one shot! That’s a killer, and that is what kept Bobby Petrino from gaining his first NFL win as a head coach and kept the Falcons winless this season.

Players are taught -- or at least should be taught -- from the time they begin playing youth football that it’s the guy who hits back, the guy who retaliates, that always gets caught.

So if Steve Smith is talking smack after the penalty, then shut up and go back to the huddle. Why DeAngelo feels the need to get in the last word is beyond comprehension.

There are many coaches at all levels that call football the ultimate team game. I agree and if that is true, it means individual outbursts like these cannot be tolerated.

The ironic part of all this? DeAngelo was shutting Steve Smith down all day long. He hadn’t caught a pass at that point of the game.

Hall had Smith shut down, it’s a shame he couldn’t SHUT UP!
 
I thought the personal foul was horse #### too. How's he supposed to know Smith was taking that play off? But then he completely lost his head because of it and got another personal foul away from the play when the D actually stopped the Panthers. Couldn't control himself with Smith or the ref and then with his own head coach. If he'd have just kept his cool he wouldn't have gotten his ### kicked in the locker room last night and in the media today.

 
:mellow: Joey was the scapegoat last week, DeAngelo is the scapegoat this week.

Next week it will be Warrick Dunn's turn. Or possibly Alge Crumpler.

 
Rumors here in Atlanta is that some of his teammates got a little physical with him in the locker room after the game.

His act has been wearing thin with the public for awhile & now it also seems some of his teammates.

I know he was soundly boo'ed after he had all those penalties & then let Smith make a catch & slip his tackle. The "I Own 85" haircut wasn't very well received. Hall ended up being the butt of many jokes for that one. Last years play for the pick on the Hail Mary that he whiffed on, instead of just batting it down to end the half, went over like a lead balloon too.
HALL BEAT UP IN FALCONS LOCKER ROOM?

There are uncorroborated rumors making the rounds that Falcons cornerback DeAngelo Hall was beat up, presumably by one or more teammates, following a Falcons loss that was fueled in part by Hall's inability to control his emotions.

After being flagged for a total of 67 yards on a second-half drive that the Panthers used to tie the game, Hall got into a sideline confrontation with coach Bobby Petrino.

We don't know for sure whether Hall was indeed roughed up or otherwise accosted by teammates after the game, but it wouldn't surprise us to find out that the rumor is true. Hall is a brash and outspoken member of the organization, and his Virginia Tech ties to Mike Vick probably have prompted some in the locker room to view him differently in the wake of Vick's legal troubles. Today's actions would have potentially been enough to get a frustrated Falcon to convert hostile feelings toward Hall into action.

:mellow:

 
FWIW Jay Feely K of the Dolphins was on FOX radio last night discussing the Gundy situation and media accountability. He said he has friends on the Falcons and stories of Hall being beat up are completely false.

 
Probably some pushing and shoving in the locker room, just not a Full Metal Jacket-style beatdown. Aren't media nearby, if not in, the locker room after a game? Somebody would have seen and heard something.

 
1) The big yardage came on a PI call when he got beat by Smith and saved a TD. Why is that wrong?
It's not wrong, but whether by catch or penalty, he still got beat for 37 yards on that play. It's not like he valiantly came in and incurred the penalty after Smith had just beaten some other DB.
 
1) The big yardage came on a PI call when he got beat by Smith and saved a TD. Why is that wrong?
It's not wrong, but whether by catch or penalty, he still got beat for 37 yards on that play. It's not like he valiantly came in and incurred the penalty after Smith had just beaten some other DB.
He shut the guy down and got beat on one play then did the smart thing and prevented a TD. Considering the D stuffed the Panthers it would've turned out to be his best move of the game. But then he gave them a personal foul (which I think was a little BS, maybe more than a little) and even that was overlookable. But the unsportsmanlike was just plain stupid and cost them the game.
 
The only penalty I had issue with was the final one that gave Carolina a first down after Abraham notched a sack to force a FG. After watching the 2nd penalty, I thought it was a very bogus call. You can clearly see (TIVO'ed for stop action) while DeAngelo does get him high, he definitely gets him in the shoulders. Smith's head does snap back, but as the earlier poster mentioned - it looked like he was taking the play off and while DeAngelo could have perhaps let up, why?

The 3rd penalty when he continued to jaw though...that was inexcusable and his behavior after that was atrocious.

 
LoL at "Beat Up" - I don't see him being held down and beaten to a pulp. I CAN see some pushing and shoving with Hall getting the raw end of that deal (the guy is small for one, and guilty of completely ####### up both in the game and more importantly on the sidelines by yelling at coach).

I don't see nuggies or atomic wedgies though.

 
The last penalty is the one that mattered. Don't care about the first two - you have to be physicial with Smith to have a chance and he did.

But, check your ego and walk off the field after your team just made a crucial sack on 3rd and long. He did lose the game for them.

The Falcons' defense held when Jake Delhomme was sacked by John Abraham on third down from the Atlanta 20, but an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty against the free-talking Hall as he was walking off the field kept the Panthers' drive alive.

Two plays later, Delhomme threw a pass to Jeff King for the tying score.



 
First problem is, you're watching "Around the Horn". Awful.

And it was the second personal foul that mattered. The first was crap from a ref.

 

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