Why is everyone down on Vick as a FANTASY QB? (1 Viewer)

[gbill2004]

Last year (2005) in my league he went in the 2nd round, and the year before (2004) he went in the 1st round - his fantasy numbers have been improving, yet his fantasy stock seems to be plummeting.

Not sure why everyone is down on Vick as a FANTASY QB. Last year he put up better fantasy numbers numbers than, Delhomme, Green, Favre, Big Ben, Bulger, Warner.

If he haden't missed any games he would have been comparable to Hasselbeck, E. Manning, Brees, Bledsoe and Plummer. These are all guys who were taken in the top 5 rounds in my draft - considering I got Vick in the 8th round of a 12 team league, I really like him.

BTW - My league scoring format rewards QBs for rushing yards the same as RBs.

Thoughts???

 

[lionsroar]

A little perplexed at this as well. I my league he finished qb 8. You can steal him late in drafts..

 

[ffnut]

Last year (2005) in my league he went in the 2nd round, and the year before (2004) he went in thefirst round - his fantasy numbers have been improving, yet his fantasy stock seems to be plummeting. Not sure why everyone is down on Vick as a FANTASY QB. Last year he put up better fantasy numbers numbers than, Delhomme, Green, Favre, Big Ben, Bulger, Warner. If he haden't missed any games he would have been comparable to Hasselbeck, E. Manning, Brees, Bledsoe and Plummer. These are all guys who were taken in the top 5 rounds in my draft - considering I got Vick in the 8th round of a 12 team league, I really like him. BTW - My league scoring format rewards QBs for rushing yards the same as RBs.Thoughts???

You answered your own question - people have been drafting him high and he hasn't come close to living up to expectations at those draft spots. I'm someone who has vowed to never have him on my team but, with that said, I was tempted in a couple of drafts because he fell so far. I just have this sneaky feeling this year that he will be pretty good (not great) most weeks.

 

[Andrew74]

I vowed to not have him on my teams either, but couldn't help it in one league when he fell to the 11th round. His stock has tanked this year - he had been going in the 1-2 rounds for several years until now.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

It's definitely unjust to a great degree, but I think a lot of it is in the inconsistency. He's a QB that could easily put up a real bad day. That said, I snagged (Read: Ended up with) him in one league as my starter. *Gulp*

I think a lot of it is also the horrible reputation he has as a real life QB, which in my opinion is also unjust, but I'm not even going to start that arguement around here.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Last year (2005) in my league he went in the 2nd round, and the year before (2004) he went in thefirst round - his fantasy numbers have been improving, yet his fantasy stock seems to be plummeting. Not sure why everyone is down on Vick as a FANTASY QB. Last year he put up better fantasy numbers numbers than, Delhomme, Green, Favre, Big Ben, Bulger, Warner. If he haden't missed any games he would have been comparable to Hasselbeck, E. Manning, Brees, Bledsoe and Plummer. These are all guys who were taken in the top 5 rounds in my draft - considering I got Vick in the 8th round of a 12 team league, I really like him. BTW - My league scoring format rewards QBs for rushing yards the same as RBs.Thoughts???

You answered your own question - people have been drafting him high and he hasn't come close to living up to expectations at those draft spots.

That's not true. It was the first couple years, but this should be the second year in a row where he can be drafted well below his value.

 

[Big Score]

You'll find the answer to your question in these existing threads gbill2004.

How short is the leash for Mike Vick this year?

Mike Vick anyone have him producing this year, have you been tlking about him but I missed it

For those who have drafted Michael Vick, what's your backup plan?

Michael Vick - You're #1 QB.....worried?

To all those who think Vick is overrated...

Player Spotlight: Michael Vick, QB, Atlanta Falcons

 

[Loopdog]

i dont know which post it was but someone compared Vick's scoring over 19 points and under 10 points to all the big QB's last season

he fared EXTREMELY favorably to even Peyton Manning.....am I saying he's as good to have as Manning? Hell no. But I am saying that Vick isn't as bad as people think he is. People just expect him to start throwing 300 yard games and rushing for a 100 yards every week because of his POTENTIAL, and thats never going to happen. He's in the worst offense for his talents, and unless they fire Mora and bring back an open style offense ala Dan Reeves, then I dont think we will ever see what Vick is capable of doing numbers wise. But in real life football, the Falcons don't care as long as they are winning the majority of their games, which they are with Vick under center. They are a running team first and foremost and there will be weeks when Vick just hands off 40 times, thats all there is to it. I dont really see it being a talent question, I think its more of an opportunity and a position to succeed thing, and in the West Coast Offense, it hamstrings him and his strengths...which are getting to the edges and creating pass/run fears for the defense, and throwing on the run. There are rumors he has gotten better in the West Coast Offense this offseason but I seriously doubt it. He isn't accurate enough to be a stud West Coast QB, IMHO. But I think the best thing that could happen to Vick would be a coach like Dennis Green getting ahold of him and just handing him the reigns of an opened up offense, that would be fun to watch.

 

[Big Score]

i dont know which post it was but someone compared Vick's scoring over 19 points and under 10 points to all the big QB's last season

It was SSOG in Vick's Player Spotlight thread linked above;

People call him a "boom or bust" kind of guy, but I strongly disagree with that assessment. He scored under 10 points just three times last season. He scored over 19 points eight times. Let's compare this "boom or bust" QB to the rock solid Trent Green, shall we? Trent Green scored under 10 points... three times... and over 19 points... seven times. Okay, bad example. How about Hasselbeck? He's a rock. Hasselbeck had... two games under 10, and 6 games over 19. Okay, okay, enough fun and games and fluky comparisons. Let's compare Vick to Peyton Manning, the poster child for QB consistancy. Peyton scored under 10 points... three times. He scored over 19 points... nine times.Clearly, Michael Vick is no more "boom or bust" than ANY OTHER QB IN THE NFL, including such no-brainer starters as Peyton Manning, Trent Green, and Matt Hasselbeck. He is also very clearly a starter-caliber QB, never once starting more than 5 games and ranking outside of the top 12. Most importantly, he's playing in an offense suited to his skillset for the first time since 2002. He finished as the #3 fantasy QB in the NFL that season, in just his second year.230/420 for 3000 with 16 TDs and 10 INTs passing, combined with 110/800/8 rushing. An extremely high floor, an extremely high ceiling, combined with a surprisingly low cost and no real negatives outside of injury risk, makes for the perfect recipe for a fantasy steal.

 

[Dolfan]

You'll find the answer to your question in these existing threads gbill2004.

How short is the leash for Mike Vick this year?

Mike Vick anyone have him producing this year, have you been tlking about him but I missed it

For those who have drafted Michael Vick, what's your backup plan?

Michael Vick - You're #1 QB.....worried?

To all those who think Vick is overrated...

Player Spotlight: Michael Vick, QB, Atlanta Falcons

 

[ericttspikes]

His schedule is brutal.

 

[JuniorNB]

1. For years, he's been extremely OVERRATED as a fantasy quarterback. He's finally ranked around where he should be.

2. Tough Schedule

3. Injury Prone.

4. Strong arm, but horribly inaccurate.

5. Unintelligent. Many true Falcon fans think Schaub should be the quarterback.

 

[hawaiiankrush]

Why not Vick? The proof is in the pudding my man.

 

[Remus]

I got Vick in the 9th round of my redraft league and I was quite pleased. I took Bledsoe in the 8th, and Vick has the Saints on Bledsoe's bye week and the Saints again when Bledsoe has to face the Bucs on Thanksgiving (admittedly, I'm a Bucs homer), so I'll start Vick then too. Vick was obviously a huge disappointment as a 1st or 2nd round pick, but in the 9th I didn't see any way I could pass on him, especially given his weak schedule on those two weeks I knew I could not/would not want to use Bledsoe

 

[Big Score]

Many true Falcon fans think Schaub should be the quarterback.

 

[einstein2u]

i should have started him instead of Cpep.....

 

[Uruk-Hai]

i dont know which post it was but someone compared Vick's scoring over 19 points and under 10 points to all the big QB's last season

It was SSOG in Vick's Player Spotlight thread linked above;

People call him a "boom or bust" kind of guy, but I strongly disagree with that assessment. He scored under 10 points just three times last season. He scored over 19 points eight times. Let's compare this "boom or bust" QB to the rock solid Trent Green, shall we? Trent Green scored under 10 points... three times... and over 19 points... seven times. Okay, bad example. How about Hasselbeck? He's a rock. Hasselbeck had... two games under 10, and 6 games over 19. Okay, okay, enough fun and games and fluky comparisons. Let's compare Vick to Peyton Manning, the poster child for QB consistancy. Peyton scored under 10 points... three times. He scored over 19 points... nine times.Clearly, Michael Vick is no more "boom or bust" than ANY OTHER QB IN THE NFL, including such no-brainer starters as Peyton Manning, Trent Green, and Matt Hasselbeck. He is also very clearly a starter-caliber QB, never once starting more than 5 games and ranking outside of the top 12. Most importantly, he's playing in an offense suited to his skillset for the first time since 2002. He finished as the #3 fantasy QB in the NFL that season, in just his second year.230/420 for 3000 with 16 TDs and 10 INTs passing, combined with 110/800/8 rushing. An extremely high floor, an extremely high ceiling, combined with a surprisingly low cost and no real negatives outside of injury risk, makes for the perfect recipe for a fantasy steal.

Thanks, you saved me going to find it. For the life of me, I can't understand why people are so blind to this. Damned near every other player, they seem to be able to separate NFL/ESPN hype from FF production. Not Vick, though. He gets his points in different ways, true - but he gets 'em. Please stop judging Vick's numbers from a passing perspective when discussing him from a FF perspective.

 

[SSOG]

His schedule is brutal.

Strength of schedule is meaningless for Vick. He could face the strongest passing defense in the history of the NFL and just rush for 150 yards instead.

 

[walkwithme]

Michael Vick is a steal in most drafts because people compare his skills to the rest of the typical pocket passers. I actually had him ranked as my number 5 QB but I selected him as the number 15 QB in the 11th as my backup to Warner. Even though he didn't have a great year last year he averaged pretty much as high as the 6th qb. I knew everyone would be down on him and I would be able to scoop him late.

 

[SSOG]

Thanks, you saved me going to find it. For the life of me, I can't understand why people are so blind to this. Damned near every other player, they seem to be able to separate NFL/ESPN hype from FF production. Not Vick, though. He gets his points in different ways, true - but he gets 'em. Please stop judging Vick's numbers from a passing perspective when discussing him from a FF perspective.

I'd disagree. I think the problem is that most people CAN'T separate the two. Exhibit A: Aaron Brooks. Exhibit B: Ben Roethlisberger.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Thanks, you saved me going to find it. For the life of me, I can't understand why people are so blind to this. Damned near every other player, they seem to be able to separate NFL/ESPN hype from FF production. Not Vick, though. He gets his points in different ways, true - but he gets 'em. Please stop judging Vick's numbers from a passing perspective when discussing him from a FF perspective.

I'd disagree. I think the problem is that most people CAN'T separate the two. Exhibit A: Aaron Brooks. Exhibit B: Ben Roethlisberger.

Explain a little further, SSOG; though I'm leaving myself an "out" with "damned near" no matter what you come up with

 

[Homer]

As others have said many times: Start Vick only at home, and you can avoid the (alleged?) inconsistency problems.

 

[RamMan]

I feel that I STOLE Vick. Got him for $2 in my 10 team $200 auction draft towards the end of the draft. He's my #2 behind Bulger so I have the luxury of sitting him for a while until he shows me the goods. I think it's a LOCK that he'll surpase his production from last season (with Ducket gone I think Vick will likely get at least 5 more GL oppty's than he had last year IMHO).

Anyhow, for $2 he's got a very high floor and major upside.

 

[SSOG]

Thanks, you saved me going to find it. For the life of me, I can't understand why people are so blind to this. Damned near every other player, they seem to be able to separate NFL/ESPN hype from FF production. Not Vick, though. He gets his points in different ways, true - but he gets 'em. Please stop judging Vick's numbers from a passing perspective when discussing him from a FF perspective.

I'd disagree. I think the problem is that most people CAN'T separate the two. Exhibit A: Aaron Brooks. Exhibit B: Ben Roethlisberger.

Explain a little further, SSOG; though I'm leaving myself an "out" with "damned near" no matter what you come up with

I think that it's not a Vick-specific phenomenon. I think that there are a lot of people who are underrated in fantasy circles because they're mediocre or bad NFL players (such as Aaron Brooks, Michael Vick, Domanic Davis before he was injured, Jake Plummer- who I actually think is a borderline elite QB, although the vast majority of people disagree with me), despite the fact that they're monster fantasy performers. I also think there are a lot of people who are OVERRATED in fantasy circles because they're monstrous NFL players (such as Jamal Lewis, Ben Roethlisberger), despite the fact that they're poor fantasy performers. Brett Favre is another example- he's drastically underrated in leagues that don't penalize for turnovers. He was a top-4 QB in one of my scoring systems last year, and this year went as the 17th QB off the board.I would say that there are a ton of instances of people being unable to separate NFL performance from fantasy performance. As I said, it's not just a Vick-specific phenomenon.

 

[coolnerd]

The real problem is that Vick was going 1st or 2nd round in fantasy drafts three or so years back, so he was a disappointment/bust for where he went in the fantasy drafts which was too high to begin with. His value in relation to where is should have been going has finally matched. IMO, he either matched his real value or now in fact is undervalued if anything.

 

[Rushmore]

The real problem is that Vick was going 1st or 2nd round in fantasy drafts three or so years back, so he was a disappointment/bust for where he went in the fantasy drafts which was too high to begin with. His value in relation to where is should have been going has finally matched. IMO, he either matched his real value or now in fact is undervalued if anything.

Agreed. I used to vow not to touch Vick, but he's now become serious value, now that the hype has subsided.

 

[Tinkles]

1. For years, he's been extremely OVERRATED as a fantasy quarterback. He's finally ranked around where he should be.2. Tough Schedule3. Injury Prone.4. Strong arm, but horribly inaccurate.5. Unintelligent. Many true Falcon fans think Schaub should be the quarterback.

Agree with pretty much everything here but the second part of #5.Not sure where this assumption comes from as I see a lot on these types of boards but anyone saying Schaub should start is in a small minority here. Schaub had a good game against an injured NE secondary and people turn him into Joe Montana. In Atlanta listening to sports talk shows, watching local sports shows and taling with fans I can't think of a person pushing for Schaub. If you had listened to talk down here the "true fans" wanted Schaub to go if it was necessary to get Abraham as we felt our D was were we needed help. Having Schaub is great especially when Vick loves to take 5 minutes to get up from most hits but as Vick was the most hyped QB, I can't imagine a more hyped benchwarmer than Schaub.Personally, if Vick fell to me late I would get him but I hate injury prone QBs.

 

[Sinrman]

Vick is one that I've been down on since he was a rookie. He has a world of talent, but as a QB he is very frustrating to follow. He has a rough schedule this year. And though he may have outscored certain QBs last year that were taken before him this year, you will learn that he is not a good fantasy QB. As I said, he has a world of talent, and has the potential to absolutely blow up and put up some 30+ points in a game. But he is pretty inconsistent, and you will learn this if you draft him. He might do well for a game or two, then disappear for two or three. Consistency is key in fantasy football...

 

[Rushmore]

Vick is one that I've been down on since he was a rookie. He has a world of talent, but as a QB he is very frustrating to follow. He has a rough schedule this year. And though he may have outscored certain QBs last year that were taken before him this year, you will learn that he is not a good fantasy QB. As I said, he has a world of talent, and has the potential to absolutely blow up and put up some 30+ points in a game. But he is pretty inconsistent, and you will learn this if you draft him. He might do well for a game or two, then disappear for two or three. Consistency is key in fantasy football...

I think the consistency thing is a bit exagerated with Vick, and a misconception when you compare him to other Qbs around the league.

 

[OregonDuck90]

To me, it's pretty simple... I've had him before, and I got tired of getting 5 points from my QB each week.

 

[SSOG]

To me, it's pretty simple... I've had him before, and I got tired of getting 5 points from my QB each week.

And I'm tired of explaining week after week that Vick is no more inconsistant or likely to put up a bad score than any other QB in the entire NFL... so how about we do a little excercise.Here's Michael Vick's game logs

Here's Trent Green's game logs

Pick a number and then see how many times Vick scored under that many points. Then compare it to Trent Green, who is widely regarded as a "very consistant" QB.

 

[Shiver44]

The real problem is that Vick was going 1st or 2nd round in fantasy drafts three or so years back, so he was a disappointment/bust for where he went in the fantasy drafts which was too high to begin with. His value in relation to where is should have been going has finally matched. IMO, he either matched his real value or now in fact is undervalued if anything.

Got him after Peyton Manning, Palmer, Brady, Culpepper, Hasslebeck, McNabb, Plummer, Warner, Plummer, Eli Manning, Bulger, Bledsoe, Brunell. Vick has great value. In my scoring system, he only had three games under double digits. Whereas Bledsoe had five, Green had four, Plummer had three, Delhomme had four.

 

[a_f13nd]

I think the perception of consistency relates to how you draft your squad--whether it be all feast-famine guys like Vick/Jamal Lewis or solid but unspectacular guys like Roethlisberger or Plummer.

To me, Vick is frustrating to own, because it always seems like he piles on the scores in weeks when you already have it won and does nothing when you could use a normal amount of scoring.

He's like A-Rod for the Yankees.

I actually liked Roethlisberger and Plummer for fantasy purposes last year. Plummer went off a few times, but generally put up about 10-15 points in my scoring system. I liked being able to pencil that in.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Thanks, you saved me going to find it. For the life of me, I can't understand why people are so blind to this. Damned near every other player, they seem to be able to separate NFL/ESPN hype from FF production. Not Vick, though. He gets his points in different ways, true - but he gets 'em. Please stop judging Vick's numbers from a passing perspective when discussing him from a FF perspective.

I'd disagree. I think the problem is that most people CAN'T separate the two. Exhibit A: Aaron Brooks. Exhibit B: Ben Roethlisberger.

Explain a little further, SSOG; though I'm leaving myself an "out" with "damned near" no matter what you come up with

I think that it's not a Vick-specific phenomenon. I think that there are a lot of people who are underrated in fantasy circles because they're mediocre or bad NFL players (such as Aaron Brooks, Michael Vick, Domanic Davis before he was injured, Jake Plummer- who I actually think is a borderline elite QB, although the vast majority of people disagree with me), despite the fact that they're monster fantasy performers. I also think there are a lot of people who are OVERRATED in fantasy circles because they're monstrous NFL players (such as Jamal Lewis, Ben Roethlisberger), despite the fact that they're poor fantasy performers. Brett Favre is another example- he's drastically underrated in leagues that don't penalize for turnovers. He was a top-4 QB in one of my scoring systems last year, and this year went as the 17th QB off the board.I would say that there are a ton of instances of people being unable to separate NFL performance from fantasy performance. As I said, it's not just a Vick-specific phenomenon.

Agreed. Perhaps I should have said that the degree to which this happens with Vick is pretty unique. You could probably add up all of the posts about every other player you mentioned (except maybe Favre) & they might not equal the amount posted about Vick in regards to inconsistency/overrated/underrated.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I think the perception of consistency relates to how you draft your squad--whether it be all feast-famine guys like Vick/Jamal Lewis or solid but unspectacular guys like Roethlisberger or Plummer.

To me, Vick is frustrating to own, because it always seems like he piles on the scores in weeks when you already have it won and does nothing when you could use a normal amount of scoring.

He's like A-Rod for the Yankees.

I actually liked Roethlisberger and Plummer for fantasy purposes last year. Plummer went off a few times, but generally put up about 10-15 points in my scoring system. I liked being able to pencil that in.

Please see several posts & linked threads above that show Vick as no more inconsistent than most other QBs from a FF perspective. And no offense, but at the bolded statement. I doubt Vick knows who's on your FF team or performs based on what they do.I have a question for the "Vick is too inconsistent for my FF team" camp: what is your response to the fact that your contention flies directly in the face of the facts?

 

[cr8f]

Drfat him and you'll know why.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Drfat him and you'll know why.

I've had him (last season) & have had no more problems with him than I have with Green.ETA: He does seem to be nicked up more than the average QB, however. So if that's part of the inconsistent argument, I'll buy that part.

 

[a_f13nd]

I think the perception of consistency relates to how you draft your squad--whether it be all feast-famine guys like Vick/Jamal Lewis or solid but unspectacular guys like Roethlisberger or Plummer.

To me, Vick is frustrating to own, because it always seems like he piles on the scores in weeks when you already have it won and does nothing when you could use a normal amount of scoring.

He's like A-Rod for the Yankees.

I actually liked Roethlisberger and Plummer for fantasy purposes last year. Plummer went off a few times, but generally put up about 10-15 points in my scoring system. I liked being able to pencil that in.

Please see several posts & linked threads above that show Vick as no more inconsistent than most other QBs from a FF perspective. And no offense, but at the bolded statement. I doubt Vick knows who's on your FF team or performs based on what they do.I have a question for the "Vick is too inconsistent for my FF team" camp: what is your response to the fact that your contention flies directly in the face of the facts?

It probably relates to where he's drafted, in the end, because where he had to be picked in the last few years he was expected to be a cornerstone of a team. Anyone who picked him probably had to sacrifice a key WR or RB to get the same level of consistency or inconsistency as any other QB. Meanwhile, sacrificing a 6th and 9th round WR or RB (Plummer, Roethlisberger), you would have a more well-rounded team that could afford to have the normal shifts in production.So, I guess I'm saying you are right.

The one way it's not right is that owning him in the past meant you probably would lose in the weeks where he didn't blow up or even produce steady numbers. McNabb picked in the 3rd round produces a similar effect but it's easier to tolerate because both of his numbers are so much higher...

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I think the perception of consistency relates to how you draft your squad--whether it be all feast-famine guys like Vick/Jamal Lewis or solid but unspectacular guys like Roethlisberger or Plummer.

To me, Vick is frustrating to own, because it always seems like he piles on the scores in weeks when you already have it won and does nothing when you could use a normal amount of scoring.

He's like A-Rod for the Yankees.

I actually liked Roethlisberger and Plummer for fantasy purposes last year. Plummer went off a few times, but generally put up about 10-15 points in my scoring system. I liked being able to pencil that in.

Please see several posts & linked threads above that show Vick as no more inconsistent than most other QBs from a FF perspective. And no offense, but at the bolded statement. I doubt Vick knows who's on your FF team or performs based on what they do.I have a question for the "Vick is too inconsistent for my FF team" camp: what is your response to the fact that your contention flies directly in the face of the facts?

It probably relates to where he's drafted, in the end, because where he had to be picked in the last few years he was expected to be a cornerstone of a team. Anyone who picked him probably had to sacrifice a key WR or RB to get the same level of consistency or inconsistency as any other QB. Meanwhile, sacrificing a 6th and 9th round WR or RB (Plummer, Roethlisberger), you would have a more well-rounded team that could afford to have the normal shifts in production.So, I guess I'm saying you are right.

The one way it's not right is that owning him in the past meant you probably would lose in the weeks where he didn't blow up or even produce steady numbers. McNabb picked in the 3rd round produces a similar effect but it's easier to tolerate because both of his numbers are so much higher...

That's a "value" issue & there's merit to it. But it's no different for Vick than for any other player - don't draft him above where you think he starts to represent value. The inconsistecy argument, though, seems to me to be straws grasped at by people who don't like him (either because of the hype in the media or because they "got burned" by him) or the way his box scores look in Monday's USAToday.

 

[a_f13nd]

I think the perception of consistency relates to how you draft your squad--whether it be all feast-famine guys like Vick/Jamal Lewis or solid but unspectacular guys like Roethlisberger or Plummer.

To me, Vick is frustrating to own, because it always seems like he piles on the scores in weeks when you already have it won and does nothing when you could use a normal amount of scoring.

He's like A-Rod for the Yankees.

I actually liked Roethlisberger and Plummer for fantasy purposes last year. Plummer went off a few times, but generally put up about 10-15 points in my scoring system. I liked being able to pencil that in.

Please see several posts & linked threads above that show Vick as no more inconsistent than most other QBs from a FF perspective. And no offense, but at the bolded statement. I doubt Vick knows who's on your FF team or performs based on what they do.I have a question for the "Vick is too inconsistent for my FF team" camp: what is your response to the fact that your contention flies directly in the face of the facts?

It probably relates to where he's drafted, in the end, because where he had to be picked in the last few years he was expected to be a cornerstone of a team. Anyone who picked him probably had to sacrifice a key WR or RB to get the same level of consistency or inconsistency as any other QB. Meanwhile, sacrificing a 6th and 9th round WR or RB (Plummer, Roethlisberger), you would have a more well-rounded team that could afford to have the normal shifts in production.So, I guess I'm saying you are right.

The one way it's not right is that owning him in the past meant you probably would lose in the weeks where he didn't blow up or even produce steady numbers. McNabb picked in the 3rd round produces a similar effect but it's easier to tolerate because both of his numbers are so much higher...

That's a "value" issue & there's merit to it. But it's no different for Vick than for any other player - don't draft him above where you think he starts to represent value. The inconsistecy argument, though, seems to me to be straws grasped at by people who don't like him (either because of the hype in the media or because they "got burned" by him) or the way his box scores look in Monday's USAToday.

You're totally right on the value thing, but even though I've been doing FF for 5 years I'm fairly new to the concept of seeing every player as having value--as opposed to saying "I won't have T.O. on my team because he's a headache" or "I hate Vick cause he's inconsistent." As such, I probably overvalued him in the past, hence taking him far earlier than when he should have been taken. Thus putting more pressure on him to kick butt.And to be honest, I would have taken him where I ended up taking Bledsoe, and probably not worried much more than I am now--which is, admittedly, a decent amount.

 

[Gargoylez]

In leagues were passing TD's are less then rushing TD's Vick is a good option for starting IMO.

Passing TD = 3 points, Rushing TD = 6 points.

Last year Vick threw for one and rushed one with 40 yards rushing and 150 yards passing. that was more then Manning that week with 280 yards pasing and 2 TD's.

But the kicker is, he doesnt always get a rushing TD or alot of yards rushing. You can NEVER count on him getting passing yards. He is also in a tough division.

I can see why people are down on him and why people think he is a very good sleeper pick.

I would base my draft strategy around your scoring system for Vick. If the passing/rushing are the same... Vick might not even be that good of a backup QB. If rushing is more then Passing, Vick is a viable option to get adn start if need be IMO.

 

[faulkfan]

Last year (2005) in my league he went in the 2nd round, and the year before (2004) he went in the 1st round - his fantasy numbers have been improving, yet his fantasy stock seems to be plummeting.

Not sure why everyone is down on Vick as a FANTASY QB. Last year he put up better fantasy numbers numbers than, Delhomme, Green, Favre, Big Ben, Bulger, Warner.

If he haden't missed any games he would have been comparable to Hasselbeck, E. Manning, Brees, Bledsoe and Plummer. These are all guys who were taken in the top 5 rounds in my draft - considering I got Vick in the 8th round of a 12 team league, I really like him.

BTW - My league scoring format rewards QBs for rushing yards the same as RBs.

Thoughts???

If your league didn't use this format you wouldn't be asking this question because Vick would have to be valuable as a passer and as of right now he just isn't.

 

[The Jacket]

Many true Falcon fans think Schaub should be the quarterback.

Many true Americans voted for George Bush.

 

[a_f13nd]

Many true Falcon fans think Schaub should be the quarterback.

Many true Americans voted for George Bush.

Politics aside, his statement is demonstrably false as has been pointed out through this thread. Whereas, your statement is correct in that enough Americans voted for Bush for him to be president twice. Whether or not you like it is another question--probably fit for another forum.

 

[highlander23]

Many true Falcon fans think Schaub should be the quarterback.

Many true Americans voted for George Bush.

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