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Why is JRussell not as good as Ryan/Flacco? (1 Viewer)
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Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
Check the wonderlic scores, Russell is an idiot.
Teef
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Whew... right under the wire! I was afraid we were actually going to go a whole day without a thread bashing Russell.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
lol... I assume you mean wunderlich?
saintfool
Dead sexy
i think many observers were expecting to see some growth from him this year. not crazy, unrealistic expectations like league MVP either. instead, many were hoping to see a NFL QB in the raw but he's hasn't shown that much. a lot of it can be chalked up to bad coaching. the offense and the playcalling can only be described as really disjointed. the coaches don't seem like they are helping him improve either. crummy decision-making. poor mechanics. leadership and maturity lacking.
he may never prove himself worthy. he wouldn't be the first and he won't be the last. brady quinn seems to be in the same unfortunate position.
he may never prove himself worthy. he wouldn't be the first and he won't be the last. brady quinn seems to be in the same unfortunate position.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
This is why most NFL scouts advise against taking the Wonderlic while high...
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Not Allowed In Mexico
Russell scored a 24, nothing too bad. Now his speech, that's another story. Dude sounds like Pooty-Tang.42 - Drew Henson
40 - Alex Smith
39 - Aaron Rogers
39 - Eli Manning
39 - Brian Griese
38 - Charlie Frye
37 - Tony Romo
36 - Drew Bledsoe
35 - Matt Leinart
35 - Kellen Clemens
33 - Tom Brady
33 - Steve Young
32 - Joey Harrington
32 - Patrick Ramsey
32 - Sage Rosenfels
31 - J.P. Losman
31 - Matt Schaub
30 - Phillip Rivers
29 - Brady Quinn
29 - Rex Grossman
29 - Marc Bulger
29 - Matt Hasselbeck
29 - Troy Aikman
29 - John Elway
28 - Drew Brees
28 - Peyton Manning
27 - Kyle Boller
27 - Ryan Leaf
26 - Jay Cutler
26 - Kyle Orton
26 - Carson Palmer
26 - Akili Smith
25 - Ben Roethlisberger
25 - Byron Leftwich
25 - Chad Pennington
24 - JaMarcus Russell
24 - David Carr
23 - Jason Campbell
22 - Tim Couch
22 - Trent Dilfer
22 - Brett Favre
20 - Michael Vick
19 - Tarvaris Jackson
19 - Bruce Gradkowski
19 - Derek Anderson
19 - A.J. Feeley
18 - Daunte Culpepper
17 - Aaron Brooks
17 - Vinny Testeverde
16 - Vince Young (6 on first try)
15 - Steve McNair
15 - Randall Cunningham
15 - Dan Marino
15 - Terry Bradshaw
14 - David Garrard
14 - Donovan McNabb
11 - Marcus Vick
10 - Jeff George
8 - Chris Leak
thatguy
Footballguy
The most obvious knock on Russell is his accuracy. We all know this. When he misses, he misses by A LOT. The silver lining is that he misses by so much, not only is the ball completely out of the reach of his WR, but it is also nowhere near any defender, which keeps his INT's to a minimum. He had a very solid INT rate last season. What's interesting about Jamarcus is that there is very little in between. He either makes a very good, very accurate throw, or he misses wildly
I have to think his primary problem is one of two things: inconsistent mechanics or poor field vision.
If it's inconsistent mechanics, the good news is that this can be coached, but he'll have to work his ### off to get better (and he has yet to demonstrate the work ethic necessary to do so).
If his problem is poor field vision, I'm not sure there's much hope for him. By field vision, I mean having the depth perception and field awareness to recognize how far down field his WR is and being able to hit that spot. If this is his problem, he might very well be hitting the spot that he's aiming for, but alas it's not where his WR is because he's not seeing the field as it actually is.
Time will tell, I suppose, but I just don't see Russell ever developing into a solid NFL QB.
I have to think his primary problem is one of two things: inconsistent mechanics or poor field vision.
If it's inconsistent mechanics, the good news is that this can be coached, but he'll have to work his ### off to get better (and he has yet to demonstrate the work ethic necessary to do so).
If his problem is poor field vision, I'm not sure there's much hope for him. By field vision, I mean having the depth perception and field awareness to recognize how far down field his WR is and being able to hit that spot. If this is his problem, he might very well be hitting the spot that he's aiming for, but alas it's not where his WR is because he's not seeing the field as it actually is.
Time will tell, I suppose, but I just don't see Russell ever developing into a solid NFL QB.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Maybe he needs glasses.
thatguy
Footballguy
That's actually something I was wondering... If his problem is field vision, glasses or contacts would probably help.Maybe he needs glasses.
Saints-Man
Footballguy
Excellent analysis.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Is there a :woosh: icon on here?
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
He's the Rick Vaughn of the NFLMaybe he needs glasses.
karmarooster
Footballguy
The wonderlic is essentially an abbreviated version of the IQ test. While an IQ test takes hours with different sections and measures different kinds of intelligence, the wonderlic is only 12 minutes (15? 20?.... i don't remember, but it's short). The questions start really easy like "What is the 8th month of the year?" You're supposed to go as fast as you can. The questions get a bit harder, but they are easily solvable... it's just a matter of how many you can do very quickly. Towards the end, they get very hard given the amount of time. Mostly a mix of logic and math. Sample questions:3. John is a mechanic. He makes $8.50 an hour, plus $3 extra for every oil change he performs. Last week he worked 36 hours and performed 17 oil changes. How much money did he make? 4. A box of staples has a length of 6 cm, a width of 7 cm, and a volume of 378 cm cubed. What is the height of the box?4. PRODUCE REDUCE These words:A: Have similar meanings.B: Have opposite meanings.C: Have neither similar nor opposite meanings. 8.SIEGE BESIEGE These words:A: Have similar meanings.B: Have opposite meanings.C: Have neither similar nor opposite meanings. 3. What is the next number in the sequence: 3, 8, 18, 38...?
Thus Russell's 24 is equal to 108.ETA - I believe there are 50 questions, so the highest possible score is 50.
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Couch Potato
Footballguy
With Drew Henson and Alex Smith at the top, and Marino, Cunningham, and McNabb at the bottom, I think we can safely say that it doesn't mean anything unless a QB scores some moron-level Wonderlic score.
Rushmore
Footballguy
karmarooster
Footballguy
LOL... ya, white QBs usually pan out. Carr, Harrington, Couch, Leaf....Most QBs (or draft picks at any position, really) don't pan out.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I did not realize that Rush Limbaugh was a member of this site.
trip, Batman!
Seriously; with the exception of McNabb the wide receivers of the teams that start African American QBs are virtually useless. Matt Ryan came in and made the Atlanta WR's look like superstars after replacing Vick. Maybe it is because when coming up through pop warner, middle school, high school, college, the white kids are generally groomed to play QB and only QB, where the A,A kids are used in many different positions. Just a thought.HolyTwo Deep said:trip, Batman!
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crnerblitz
Footballguy
Jamarcus Russell is a great player. Get over it!
dotman
Footballguy
Like Randy Moss and Cris Carter? And Derrick Mason?Seriously; with the exception of McNabb the wide receivers of the teams that start African American QBs are virtually useless. Matt Ryan came in and made the Atlanta WR's look like superstars after replacing Vick.HolyTwo Deep said:
dotman
Footballguy
His team has been to 5 Super Bowls and won 3 of them....so he's better than some people
FavreCo
Footballguy
He doesn't have a clue anymore. Sad really because he was the man at one time. Now he's just a 9-5 ham and egger owner.His team has been to 5 Super Bowls and won 3 of them....so he's HE WAS better than some people
t_gunslinger
Footballguy
And I don't draft White RB'sIt's not a raciest thing it’s the truth. White RB's hardly ever pan out, and Black QBs hardly pan out.Before you get your little panties up in a wad. I'm a 30 year old African American.Two Deep said:
Hey I'm with ya, white rbs are the suck. I was really high on Brian Leonard who I considered the most taleted white rb in a long time. What a disappointment.
it is possible that there is something to what Russell is saying.... If the QB makes a slightly different read than the WR, the ball gets delivered to a different place than the receiver will be. We dont know the game plan or the coaching that the team has received so we cannot say for sure what the case is here.
one thing I noticed, in zone coverage, I've seen WR's running their routes to a place where I dont think they can maximize gains, and then when the throw is off, it makes me think that the WR made a mistake. Of course I've seen the WR run to the right place and the throw goes over his head...... so I do think both QB and WR have messed up at various times.
What I dont like is the way he roasts his WR's in the interview. A good QB with leadership should not publicly blame his WR's for anything. Even if they are making the wrong reads. This is a conversation best left in the dressing room.
he should be speaking in terms of We not I or you or he.
so a quote like 'We need to get on the same page' is fair. with that comment he is taking 50% of the blame. a comment like 'he's making the wrong reads' implies that Russell is innocent and his WR is not.
This is not a way to get off on the right foot. The only thing he could have done worse would be to roast his O-line. A QB should NEVER roast the O-Line in public Ever.
one thing I noticed, in zone coverage, I've seen WR's running their routes to a place where I dont think they can maximize gains, and then when the throw is off, it makes me think that the WR made a mistake. Of course I've seen the WR run to the right place and the throw goes over his head...... so I do think both QB and WR have messed up at various times.
What I dont like is the way he roasts his WR's in the interview. A good QB with leadership should not publicly blame his WR's for anything. Even if they are making the wrong reads. This is a conversation best left in the dressing room.
he should be speaking in terms of We not I or you or he.
so a quote like 'We need to get on the same page' is fair. with that comment he is taking 50% of the blame. a comment like 'he's making the wrong reads' implies that Russell is innocent and his WR is not.
This is not a way to get off on the right foot. The only thing he could have done worse would be to roast his O-line. A QB should NEVER roast the O-Line in public Ever.
mdog1967
Footballguy
Far below anything Rush would say, despite him being wrong about McNabb. How about the poster is just being a little ignorant. Besides McNabb, Culpeper was pretty good for a while, ditto for Warren Moon who I would take over many starting QB's today. McNair was a tremendous QB.David Garrard is underrated, I would love to see Campbell with a decent QB coach and offensive game planner that is a little more creative than Jim Zorn. Leftwich beat out the competition (just a bunch of white guys you know) Charlie Batch wasnt bad either so I dont know where it doesn't work out thing comes from. I would say as a percentage of QB's Drafted that African American QB's probably fair pretty well for success against white guys.
