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After watching Williams - this guy is a stud and play at the NFL level.Is Reggie Bush a fancy Dave Megget or Eric Metcalfe? Time will tell - but I would not use the number one pick on Reggie Bush!
I wouldn't go that far....I think Reggie Bush is going to be a great NFL RB. However, with that being said, I think Deangelo Williams may be just as good, and definitely the much better value pick!After watching Williams - this guy is a stud and play at the NFL level.
Is Reggie Bush a fancy Dave Megget or Eric Metcalfe? Time will tell - but I would not use the number one pick on Reggie Bush!
Think anyone in dynasty drafts who has the #1 overall pick will pull an "Edgerrin James over Ricky Williiams" type of pick, and take D Williams over Bush?I wouldn't go that far....I think Reggie Bush is going to be a great NFL RB. However, with that being said, I think Deangelo Williams may be just as good, and definitely the much better value pick!After watching Williams - this guy is a stud and play at the NFL level.
Is Reggie Bush a fancy Dave Megget or Eric Metcalfe? Time will tell - but I would not use the number one pick on Reggie Bush!
I agree with the second statement as a possibility, all tho not likely.. I never thought Perry as a WR so much as a valid BACKUP RB...I think Bush will be awesome in a Chris Perry type of role.... WR that can also play RB.![]()
Same argument could have been made to justify Benson over Brown/Caddy this year.Williams can lug the ball 25-30 times a game. That's proven. We don't know if Bush can. That's something I'd be wary about if I had to choose.
Same argument could have been made to justify Benson over Brown/Caddy this year.Williams can lug the ball 25-30 times a game. That's proven. We don't know if Bush can. That's something I'd be wary about if I had to choose.
The Benson/Brown/Caddy argument is still open to debate.Brown didn't knock anyone's socks off, Williams looks like he could have durability issues, and Benson's coming in so late buried his season. Next year ought to be interesting for all three.Same argument could have been made to justify Benson over Brown/Caddy this year.Williams can lug the ball 25-30 times a game. That's proven. We don't know if Bush can. That's something I'd be wary about if I had to choose.
I know Bush has inflated numbers due to the Pac 10, but I don't think that is something anyone shold bring up in support for Williams over him. What Conference is Williams in again..... Conf USA :X The Pac 10s D and talent dwarfs that of Conf USA.The Benson/Brown/Caddy argument is still open to debate.Brown didn't knock anyone's socks off, Williams looks like he could have durability issues, and Benson's coming in so late buried his season. Next year ought to be interesting for all three.Same argument could have been made to justify Benson over Brown/Caddy this year.Williams can lug the ball 25-30 times a game. That's proven. We don't know if Bush can. That's something I'd be wary about if I had to choose.
I like this year's RBs better than last year's, for sure, but I don't know which one will be the best pro. Bush's numbers are inflated from playing in the PAC 10, plus his speed/agility differential will be much smaller at the next level than it is now. Bush's size is definitely a concern.
I think it's all going to come down to who goes to which team/coach & how they are used.
It would be a hard time to make an argument otherwise. However, Bush is already being annoited the next Gale Sayers, whereas Williams is getting much less love.I think there are legit question marks about both of them, though I personally think Williams' size/talent translates well into the next level.Perhaps your point makes the best point for Maroney.I know Bush has inflated numbers due to the Pac 10, but I don't think that is something anyone shold bring up in support for Williams over him. What Conference is Williams in again..... Conf USA :X The Pac 10s D and talent dwarfs that of Conf USA.
It probably does, though the PSU egg he dropped hurts.Perhaps your point makes the best point for Maroney.
DeAngelo Williams = "Flavor of the Day"
If Reggie Bush and company had been playing and scored 4 times we wouldn't be having this conversation via the forum. I am not saying that Williams is not a good prospect, however, aren't we talking about him because that was the only bowl game on Monday night?
Aren't we getting a little overboard here on someone that was not even a household name on Sunday?
I think Williams is a top 20 pick in the NFL draft. Maybe even top 10 or 15. But he is no Reggie Bush, LenDale White or even Brian Calhoun.
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I agree, Williams is the 3rd best RB in this class at best. USC has BOTH of the top 2 whether people want to see White for how good he is or not. Just like there is no need to look outside of USC for the best overall player and NFL prospect (Bush) or the best QB (Leinert), there is also no need to look outside USC for the best between the tackles and NFL ready 20+ carry RB. His name is LenDale White. Sad truth is he will likely be drafted as the 4th RB at best.De'Angelo Williams has already been hurt a number of times, having to carry the ball 25-30 times per game.
I don't know why anyone thinks Bush is going to not be a durable back in the NFL. He has yet to been hurt. He may only get 15 carries a game, but he gets 25-30 touches each game between receptions and punt returns. Y'all need to recognize the coming of the greatest back the NFL has ever seen.
No other college back has close to his upside.
By the way, LenDale White averages more yards per carry than DeAngelo Williams too, and he is more of your "every down" back. Plus Pac10 competition >>>>>>> C-USA competition.
You've got your drafts mixed up. LT went 1st of the RBs in 2001 and #5 overall. It was Edge in 99 that was taken ahead of Ricky with the $3 pick and Ricky at #5.I don't recall a guy by the name of Tomlinson being the first RB taken a few years ago. I think it was Ricky Williams (not 100% on who, but there was one taken before LT) He seems to have been the best in his class.
Aren't we getting a little overboard here on someone that was not even a household name on Sunday?
No doubt, but USC talent around Bush is also much greater than Memphis talent around DeAngelo. The impressive thing about DeAngelo Williams is what he did this year given Memphis' QB situation. 1. Patrick Byrne entered the season as the starter, and broke his leg on the third play of the season opener against Ole Miss...enter backup Will Hudgens.2. Will Hudgens broke his leg in the third game of the season...enter freshman Billy Barefield.3. Billy Barefield lasted until the 5th game of the season before being replaced by the Tigers #1 WR, Maurice Avery.So the Tigers played most of their season without their starting QB, without their backup QB, without their 3rd string QB and without their #1 WR. Defenses knew they were going to have to stop DeAngelo Williams and that was it and he still rushed for 1959 yards and 18 TDs.Pretty impressive given the context.Plus Pac10 competition >>>>>>> C-USA competition.
You're absolutely right. He is in a class above these guys. Bush is the only one who even comes close to being the type of prosect "D" is!!But he is no Reggie Bush, LenDale White or even Brian Calhoun.
Extremely impressive, agreed. Not as if any of the C-USA coaches were like, who is this Williams kid? I just don't think Williams is that great a pro prospect. He may turn out to be a fine back, and have a Warrick Dunn like career. I think that would be the high side of his potential however. I suspect he would be better suited as a third down back or a change of pace back. I think when he starts getting hit by real linebackers and real defensive linemen, he is not going to be able to sustain 20+ carries per game.No doubt, but USC talent around Bush is also much greater than Memphis talent around DeAngelo. The impressive thing about DeAngelo Williams is what he did this year given Memphis' QB situation. 1. Patrick Byrne entered the season as the starter, and broke his leg on the third play of the season opener against Ole Miss...enter backup Will Hudgens.Plus Pac10 competition >>>>>>> C-USA competition.
2. Will Hudgens broke his leg in the third game of the season...enter freshman Billy Barefield.
3. Billy Barefield lasted until the 5th game of the season before being replaced by the Tigers #1 WR, Maurice Avery.
So the Tigers played most of their season without their starting QB, without their backup QB, without their 3rd string QB and without their #1 WR. Defenses knew they were going to have to stop DeAngelo Williams and that was it and he still rushed for 1959 yards and 18 TDs.
Pretty impressive given the context.
I don't mean any disrespect, but you don't know what you're talking about. Williams runs well between the tackles, and he has the moves and speed in the open field. Third down back? LOL. He's more suited to run between the tackles than Reggie Bush is. Don't get me wrong, I think Bush will be a stud, but IMO, Williams will be a durable stud RB for years to come in the NFL.I just don't think Williams is that great a pro prospect. He may turn out to be a fine back, and have a Warrick Dunn like career. I think that would be the high side of his potential however. I suspect he would be better suited as a third down back or a change of pace back.
Yeah, he is VASTLY SUPERIOR to LenDale White and Calhoun. So he has to be a houshold name to be a stud? Nice analysis. The team that drafts Williams gets an everydown back which none of the others are. Reggie can'tpound the ball like Williams, White can't move or catch like Williams. Calhoun...that one is such a laugher.DeAngelo Williams = "Flavor of the Day"
If Reggie Bush and company had been playing and scored 4 times we wouldn't be having this conversation via the forum. I am not saying that Williams is not a good prospect, however, aren't we talking about him because that was the only bowl game on Monday night?
Aren't we getting a little overboard here on someone that was not even a household name on Sunday?
I think Williams is a top 20 pick in the NFL draft. Maybe even top 10 or 15. But he is no Reggie Bush, LenDale White or even Brian Calhoun.
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Bush has also played WITH NFL caliber offensive players (and coaches) and DeAngelo has not. Don't get me wrong, I think Reggie Bush is amazing, but I just don't think you can discount DeAngelo Williams because he didn't play in a BCS conference. You could've said the same things about Tomlinson coming out of college (and many did) and we see how that panned out.Extremely impressive, agreed. Not as if any of the C-USA coaches were like, who is this Williams kid? I just don't think Williams is that great a pro prospect. He may turn out to be a fine back, and have a Warrick Dunn like career. I think that would be the high side of his potential however. I suspect he would be better suited as a third down back or a change of pace back. I think when he starts getting hit by real linebackers and real defensive linemen, he is not going to be able to sustain 20+ carries per game.No doubt, but USC talent around Bush is also much greater than Memphis talent around DeAngelo. The impressive thing about DeAngelo Williams is what he did this year given Memphis' QB situation. 1. Patrick Byrne entered the season as the starter, and broke his leg on the third play of the season opener against Ole Miss...enter backup Will Hudgens.Plus Pac10 competition >>>>>>> C-USA competition.
2. Will Hudgens broke his leg in the third game of the season...enter freshman Billy Barefield.
3. Billy Barefield lasted until the 5th game of the season before being replaced by the Tigers #1 WR, Maurice Avery.
So the Tigers played most of their season without their starting QB, without their backup QB, without their 3rd string QB and without their #1 WR. Defenses knew they were going to have to stop DeAngelo Williams and that was it and he still rushed for 1959 yards and 18 TDs.
Pretty impressive given the context.
The atheletes who play at C-USA schools are marginal Divsion 1 players. These are guys that didn't get scholarships offered to them at the big schools. Bush has played against NFL caliber defenses for the majority of his career. Williams has played against college players his entire career which is why I'd be skeptical in drafting him.
...and you could have said the same thing about Edge, Portis, McGahee and Gore as you many are trying to do with Bush right now. Playing with oodles of NFL talent hasn't seemed to hurt the prospects of the hundereds of Mia players that have been taken highly in the NFL draft. Actually it seems to have been a huge plus.... look at the success rate of these guys.You could've said the same things about Tomlinson coming out of college (and many did) and we see how that panned out.
his oline, qb, and wr's are dwarfs compared to that of sc's tooI know Bush has inflated numbers due to the Pac 10, but I don't think that is something anyone shold bring up in support for Williams over him. What Conference is Williams in again..... Conf USA :X The Pac 10s D and talent dwarfs that of Conf USA.The Benson/Brown/Caddy argument is still open to debate.Brown didn't knock anyone's socks off, Williams looks like he could have durability issues, and Benson's coming in so late buried his season. Next year ought to be interesting for all three.Same argument could have been made to justify Benson over Brown/Caddy this year.Williams can lug the ball 25-30 times a game. That's proven. We don't know if Bush can. That's something I'd be wary about if I had to choose.
I like this year's RBs better than last year's, for sure, but I don't know which one will be the best pro. Bush's numbers are inflated from playing in the PAC 10, plus his speed/agility differential will be much smaller at the next level than it is now. Bush's size is definitely a concern.
I think it's all going to come down to who goes to which team/coach & how they are used.
This tells me quite a bit about your NCAA knowledge. To most college football fans, I'd say DeAngelo Williams was a household name long before Monday. His college accomplishments speak for themselves.DeAngelo Williams = "Flavor of the Day"
If Reggie Bush and company had been playing and scored 4 times we wouldn't be having this conversation via the forum. I am not saying that Williams is not a good prospect, however, aren't we talking about him because that was the only bowl game on Monday night?
Aren't we getting a little overboard here on someone that was not even a household name on Sunday?
So I'll ask again, when has that ever mattered for the guys at a comparable school to UCS right now.... Miami?his oline, qb, and wr's are dwarfs compared to that of sc's too
mattered for mcgahee. the guys sucks without a superstar supporting cast.So I'll ask again, when has that ever mattered for the guys at a comparable school to UCS right now.... Miami?his oline, qb, and wr's are dwarfs compared to that of sc's too
No, he doesn't. He just isn't putting up the kind of fantasy numbers people would like. That does not make him a bad NFL player.mattered for mcgahee. the guys sucks without a superstar supporting cast.So I'll ask again, when has that ever mattered for the guys at a comparable school to UCS right now.... Miami?his oline, qb, and wr's are dwarfs compared to that of sc's too
so you agree he doesn't perform to expectations when playing with a limited supporting cast.No, he doesn't. He just isn't putting up the kind of fantasy numbers people would like. That does not make him a bad NFL player.mattered for mcgahee. the guys sucks without a superstar supporting cast.So I'll ask again, when has that ever mattered for the guys at a comparable school to UCS right now.... Miami?his oline, qb, and wr's are dwarfs compared to that of sc's too
This year that would be true, last year it wouldn't.so you agree he doesn't perform to expectations when playing with a limited supporting cast.
He'll probably put on 10 lbs before his first NFL game -- most guys do, as a result of the increased training combined with the mere fact of getting a year closer to physical maturity.What are the chances BUSH bulks up a bit. I know he will but isnt he soemthing like 200lbs now? would another 15-20 slow him down?
I'd be real careful proclaiming any kind of superiority for Pac-10 defenses. 7 of those 10 defenses are ranked 84th (out of 117) or worse in total defense. 4 of them rank 105th or worse (105, 106, 111, and 114). There is not one single Pac-10 D ranked in the top 30; and only one in the top 40. I'm not sure where Conference USA ranks, but it would be almost impossible for them to be too much worse than the Pac-10 on defense.The Pac 10s D and talent dwarfs that of Conf USA.
Might that be due to the fact that the Conference fields 3 of the top 10 and 6 of the top 26 offences in college football:2. USCI'd be real careful proclaiming any kind of superiority for Pac-10 defenses. 7 of those 10 defenses are ranked 84th (out of 117) or worse in total defense. 4 of them rank 105th or worse (105, 106, 111, and 114). There is not one single Pac-10 D ranked in the top 30; and only one in the top 40. I'm not sure where Conference USA ranks, but it would be almost impossible for them to be too much worse than the Pac-10 on defense.The Pac 10s D and talent dwarfs that of Conf USA.
Would you be talking about Frank Gore who with 2 bad shoulders is still out on the field busting his butt, scoring TD's and averaging more YPC than Cadillac and Ronnie Brown?It that the Frank Gore you think is a wimp? The one RUNNING over people and busting tackles every carry.it mattered for frany gore and jamie jackson too.
I would have to agree with SproutDaddy in this regard? USC didn't play a tough schedule defensively. Even Notre Dame ranked outside the top 50 D-1 teams in total defense this year. In fact, USC played four teams that finished among the top 50: Arkansas, Oregon, California and Fresno State. None ranked higher than 34th. Meanwhile Memphis played four teams with top 50 defenses, as well: Mississippi, Tennessee, Marshall, and Akron. Tennessee was 12th in the nation in total defense and only Marshall was lower than 30th among that quartet.How is any Pac 10 d besides USC an NFL caliber defense?
Umm, what about last year and the year before?I would have to agree with SproutDaddy in this regard? USC didn't play a tough schedule defensively. Even Notre Dame ranked outside the top 50 D-1 teams in total defense this year. In fact, USC played four teams that finished among the top 50: Arkansas, Oregon, California and Fresno State. None ranked higher than 34th. Meanwhile Memphis played four teams with top 50 defenses, as well: Mississippi, Tennessee, Marshall, and Akron. Tennessee was 12th in the nation in total defense and only Marshall was lower than 30th among that quartet.How is any Pac 10 d besides USC an NFL caliber defense?
No disrepect taken.Frankly, I don't think you know what you're talking about, so we'll just agree to disagree, mmmkay? Come message me in 4-5 years and we'll see how Williams is doing in the NFL.I don't mean any disrespect, but you don't know what you're talking about. Williams runs well between the tackles, and he has the moves and speed in the open field. Third down back? LOL. He's more suited to run between the tackles than Reggie Bush is. Don't get me wrong, I think Bush will be a stud, but IMO, Williams will be a durable stud RB for years to come in the NFL.I just don't think Williams is that great a pro prospect. He may turn out to be a fine back, and have a Warrick Dunn like career. I think that would be the high side of his potential however. I suspect he would be better suited as a third down back or a change of pace back.
Umm, what about last year and the year before?I would have to agree with SproutDaddy in this regard? USC didn't play a tough schedule defensively. Even Notre Dame ranked outside the top 50 D-1 teams in total defense this year. In fact, USC played four teams that finished among the top 50: Arkansas, Oregon, California and Fresno State. None ranked higher than 34th. Meanwhile Memphis played four teams with top 50 defenses, as well: Mississippi, Tennessee, Marshall, and Akron. Tennessee was 12th in the nation in total defense and only Marshall was lower than 30th among that quartet.How is any Pac 10 d besides USC an NFL caliber defense?Oh, and Williams was HURT for the Tennessee game, but nice try.
My apologies here, JWood.I will stand by my assertions that USC has played much better defenses than Memphis. I don't really care to dwell on this too much longer, but in the past 3 years, Bush has faced the likes of Va Tech, Auburn, Oklahoma and more.Umm, what about last year and the year before?I would have to agree with SproutDaddy in this regard? USC didn't play a tough schedule defensively. Even Notre Dame ranked outside the top 50 D-1 teams in total defense this year. In fact, USC played four teams that finished among the top 50: Arkansas, Oregon, California and Fresno State. None ranked higher than 34th. Meanwhile Memphis played four teams with top 50 defenses, as well: Mississippi, Tennessee, Marshall, and Akron. Tennessee was 12th in the nation in total defense and only Marshall was lower than 30th among that quartet.How is any Pac 10 d besides USC an NFL caliber defense?Oh, and Williams was HURT for the Tennessee game, but nice try.
Nice try? I didn't realize I was trying at all...I was merely asserting that the Pac 10 didn't foster many NFL caliber defenses and, in fact, a case could be made that NEITHER player faced elite defenses this year.guru, before you go back and throw me into some pre-determined box of Bush haters/Williams supporters, you need to go back and read my prior posts. I have long been a fan of DeAngelo Williams but I've been quite forthright this year that seeing more of Bush has made me question how anyone could NOT say he's the best prospect in the draft.
Well, if Johnny U is clueless here, so am I, because I think his assessment is very solid here regarding Williams.If Williams didn't play in a BCS conference, then the counter argument is that he wasn't surrounded with nearly as much talent as Bush. That street goes both ways.No disrepect taken.Frankly, I don't think you know what you're talking about, so we'll just agree to disagree, mmmkay? Come message me in 4-5 years and we'll see how Williams is doing in the NFL.