Why is Torry Holt ranking so low (PPR)... (1 Viewer)

[Carver]

I find it weird that Holt is currently ranked behind guys like Devin Hester, Lance Moore, Donnie Avery, and Domenick Hixon in the PPR rankings, when FBG's seem to be so high on Garrard this season.

Look at the season Mason had in '08 @ age 34. Is is too far fetched to think Holt could have that type of a year with the Jags?

 

[MAC_32]

Garrard spreads it around. A lot. Haven't looked at the stats since last season but iirc no WR has had (or been on pace for) more than 50 receptions since Garrard took over, MJD was the leading pass catcher one season, and other than Reggie Williams' weird stat line 2 years ago (something like 40 catches, 10 TD's) he doesn't usually rely on any one guy in the red zone.

I get that Holt's the best WR they've had since Jimmy Smith retired, but there's reason to believe he's on the down side of his career given his recent knee problems. I like Holt where he's going in drafts as a guy I can feel good about throwing out there for WR3 production when healthy, but his ceiling's rather limited. I'd rather go WR early and have my corps shored up in the top 20 WR's but if that doesn't happen reliable old guys like Holt and Driver and upside guys like Chris Henry and Devin Hester are nice 3's and 4's.

 

[Maven]

They must like stone hands Troy Williamson?

 

[MNTom]

Garrard spreads it around. A lot. Haven't looked at the stats since last season but iirc no WR has had (or been on pace for) more than 50 receptions since Garrard took over, MJD was the leading pass catcher one season, and other than Reggie Williams' weird stat line 2 years ago (something like 40 catches, 10 TD's) he doesn't usually rely on any one guy in the red zone.

I get that Holt's the best WR they've had since Jimmy Smith retired, but there's reason to believe he's on the down side of his career given his recent knee problems. I like Holt where he's going in drafts as a guy I can feel good about throwing out there for WR3 production when healthy, but his ceiling's rather limited. I'd rather go WR early and have my corps shored up in the top 20 WR's but if that doesn't happen reliable old guys like Holt and Driver and upside guys like Chris Henry and Devin Hester are nice 3's and 4's.

Matt Jones had 65 last year.

 

[The Moz]

Garrard spread it around becasue he has never had a wr worht a damn. Actually Matt Jones put up decent WR 3 numbers.

 

[Carver]

Garrard spreads it around. A lot. Haven't looked at the stats since last season but iirc no WR has had (or been on pace for) more than 50 receptions since Garrard took over, MJD was the leading pass catcher one season, and other than Reggie Williams' weird stat line 2 years ago (something like 40 catches, 10 TD's) he doesn't usually rely on any one guy in the red zone. I get that Holt's the best WR they've had since Jimmy Smith retired, but there's reason to believe he's on the down side of his career given his recent knee problems. I like Holt where he's going in drafts as a guy I can feel good about throwing out there for WR3 production when healthy, but his ceiling's rather limited. I'd rather go WR early and have my corps shored up in the top 20 WR's but if that doesn't happen reliable old guys like Holt and Driver and upside guys like Chris Henry and Devin Hester are nice 3's and 4's.

I hear what you're saying but Hester? Moore? Avery? Are these cats really better options than Torry Holt... Even at this stage? As you mentioned... The Jags havent had a WR of Holt's stature since JStew. he may not be the deep threat he once was, but He is still an excellent route runner who knows how to get open.

 

[Devil in the Detail]

Not sure how many balls Holt is going to catch in that offense. Although he seems to have been a good leader and mentor in camp so far, there haven't been many reports of he and Garrard being in synch or connecting well. Garrard will probably spread the ball around a lot and if I had to guess, I think Williamson will put up the best WR numbers there, as he is the big play guy and he and garrard worked together a lot in the offseason and reportedly are in synch.

 

[MAC_32]

Garrard spreads it around. A lot. Haven't looked at the stats since last season but iirc no WR has had (or been on pace for) more than 50 receptions since Garrard took over, MJD was the leading pass catcher one season, and other than Reggie Williams' weird stat line 2 years ago (something like 40 catches, 10 TD's) he doesn't usually rely on any one guy in the red zone.

I get that Holt's the best WR they've had since Jimmy Smith retired, but there's reason to believe he's on the down side of his career given his recent knee problems. I like Holt where he's going in drafts as a guy I can feel good about throwing out there for WR3 production when healthy, but his ceiling's rather limited. I'd rather go WR early and have my corps shored up in the top 20 WR's but if that doesn't happen reliable old guys like Holt and Driver and upside guys like Chris Henry and Devin Hester are nice 3's and 4's.

Matt Jones had 65 last year.

Thx, as I said, hadn't looked at the stats since last season.

 

[Maven]

Is Torry Holts knee problems exaggerated? He had avg the same yards per catch last year and played every game?

 

[MAC_32]

Garrard spreads it around. A lot. Haven't looked at the stats since last season but iirc no WR has had (or been on pace for) more than 50 receptions since Garrard took over, MJD was the leading pass catcher one season, and other than Reggie Williams' weird stat line 2 years ago (something like 40 catches, 10 TD's) he doesn't usually rely on any one guy in the red zone. I get that Holt's the best WR they've had since Jimmy Smith retired, but there's reason to believe he's on the down side of his career given his recent knee problems. I like Holt where he's going in drafts as a guy I can feel good about throwing out there for WR3 production when healthy, but his ceiling's rather limited. I'd rather go WR early and have my corps shored up in the top 20 WR's but if that doesn't happen reliable old guys like Holt and Driver and upside guys like Chris Henry and Devin Hester are nice 3's and 4's.

I hear what you're saying but Hester? Moore? Avery? Are these cats really better options than Torry Holt... Even at this stage? As you mentioned... The Jags havent had a WR of Holt's stature since JStew. he may not be the deep threat he once was, but He is still an excellent route runner who knows how to get open.

I'm more of an upside drafter, I try not to go overboard with it and usually do a good job but when I'm drafting the 25th WR off the board I don't want the 25th best WR I want a guy who could be top 20. I think Holt's the type of guy going about 25th you can expect to finish about 25th but not much higher.That said, I agree with you on the rankings of Holt vs. Avery and Moore. I just don't usually pay attention to other people's rankings except to note when players are being drafted. If someone else thinks Lance Moore's a better option than Torry Holt and drafts accordingly I think that's my gain because I think they're wrong. Hester though...he's interesting. I think Cutler's developing some Marshall-like tunnel vision for Hester, add that to his home run ability and he has some upside where he's being drafted imho. I would prefer to draft one Henry/Hester type and one Driver/Holt type but that opportunity may not present itself, if I can't get one of each I'd rather have the upside guy and look for more upside later (i.e. Harvin, Morgan, Berrian, etc.)

 

[MAC_32]

Is Torry Holts knee problems exaggerated? He had avg the same yards per catch last year and played every game?

His knees have been a problem off and on since before the 2007 season.

 

[Archie Bunker]

Is Torry Holts knee problems exaggerated? He had avg the same yards per catch last year and played every game?

I don't think so. IIRC, his knees are in a degenerative state, it's not simply a matter of fixing them and it's back to normal in 6 months. It's really a shame because in 2003 or 2004 I remember seeing or reading a piece on how he was finally dedicating himself to training & practice and really focused on being an elite WR. For 2-3 years, he was playing at a level not seen, with the possible exception of Randy Moss, since a early 90s Jerry Rice. Holt was simply the best at creating separation between himself & the defense. He could get open at will. Here is a blurb from Wimer from 2 years ago.August 28, 2007Torry Holt: Knee May Never Heal Properly, Fantasy ImpactFiled under: Footballguys, NFC West, NFL, History, News, WR, Injury, Fantasy, Rams — Mark Wimer @ 3:31 pm There was a disturbing story by Bill Coats in the St. Louis Post Dispatch today on the status of Torry Holt’s surgically repaired cartilage in his right knee. The cartilage/joint simply hasn’t healed properly, and Holt continues to have issues with pain and swelling almost seven months after the surgery. He estimated that the knee is only 70-80% recovered as of Tuesday, 8/28, a week and a half before the beginning of regular season.Holt commented at length about the injury: “It’s just one of those deals where I’m not recovering as quick as I used to. I have to get used to that and stay patient. … I don’t know if it’ll ever heal all the way, but I think it will heal enough where it will allow me to go out and play…”It feels good some days, and some days it doesn’t feel as good. I’m getting somewhat used to that and getting to the point where I can manage it pretty well.”There is a lot to unpack in the statements Holt made, but here’s how I read what he said:•Holt’s knee isn’t healed yet•His knee probably won’t ever be 100% healthy again•He is using pain management techniques to stay on the field•The injury is flaring up unpredictablyI think the red flags all add up to a degenerative knee condition, folks. That means that eventually, chunks of torn cartilage and/or chips of bone from Holt’s knee joint will become what is termed “loose bodies”, and it is very likely that further surgery(ies) will have to be performed to keep the joint from locking up.It was a similar set of circumstances that spelled the end of both Curtis Martin’s and Marshall Faulk’s careers (to name just 2 highly visible examples).Does the above mean that Torry Holt’s NFL career is over? No, probably not. But it does mean that he’s a very risky proposition to play a full slate of games during 2007, and that he’s beginning to hit the down slope of his exemplary career.