Why isn't Trent Diler a better NFL QB? (1 Viewer)

[jwvdcw]

QBs that get drafted high in the first round of the NFL draft all have great physical abilities. They all have great arms, prototypical size, etc.Trent Dilfer IIRC was a top 5 draft pick.Basically, all these high round picks need to pan out is the mental ability and leadership that a good QB needs(the all already have the physical skills). This is what separates Ryan Leaf from Peyton Manning.Well, Trent Dilfer is widely regarded as one of the best teamates in the league and a great leader. And when the Ravens won the super bowl, Dilfer was widely regarded as a great 'game manager' and someone who doesn't make a lot of mistakes.So lets recapilfer has amazing physical talent- enough to be a top 5 draft pickHe is a good leaderHe doesn't make a lot of mistakesWhat exactly am I missing here? Is there any reason why this guy isn't at the very least a starting QB? What are his shortcomings?

 

[CalBear]

Dilfer is a terrible QB; the worst to ever win a Super Bowl. He's highly inaccurate, and despite his reputation, has more INTs than TDs in his career, and has never hit 60% completions for a year.

 

[Capella]

inaccurate. extremely. trust me on this.

 

[jwvdcw]

Dilfer is a terrible QB; the worst to ever win a Super Bowl. He's highly inaccurate, and despite his reputation, has more INTs than TDs in his career, and has never hit 60% completions for a year.

True, but a lot of his bad stats were from being thrown to the wolves as a young player with a terrible surrounding cast in Tampa Bay. It was a situation similar to Kyle Boller today- You can't really judge a young player(QB especially) in a terrible situation like that.

 

[jwvdcw]

inaccurate. extremely. trust me on this.

Ok, you're right that I never addressed the accuracy issue. And I definitely agree with you.However, don't you all think that this can be learned. And don't you think its a bit unfair to hold his early career against him since he was put in such a bad situation.I just could see a guy siilar to Gannon. Same thing with Boller. Both of these guys at least deserve a chance in a decent offense imo.

 

[Capella]

Dilfer is a terrible QB; the worst to ever win a Super Bowl.  He's highly inaccurate, and despite his reputation, has more INTs than TDs in his career, and has never hit 60% completions for a year.

True, but a lot of his bad stats were from being thrown to the wolves as a young player with a terrible surrounding cast in Tampa Bay. It was a situation similar to Kyle Boller today- You can't really judge a young player(QB especially) in a terrible situation like that.

In Tampa, he had Warrick Dunn, Mike Alstott (both at their best), a decent O-line, and so-so wideouts. Not the '99 Rams, but not exactly the '04 Redskins either.He had a coach that stressed not making mistakes, making good throws and smart reads, and he wasn't able to do any of that. He wasn't the only reason they couldn't get past the NFC hurdle, but he was a big one. They simply could not trust him enough to open up the playbook any more than they did.He matured a bit when he got to Baltimore, and had a big power running game and that awesome defense. Not a whole lot different than what he had in Tampa, but he somehow managed it into a Super Bowl win.But the point is, the man has had some talent around him and has had more than ample opportunities to do things with it. He's just not a very good QB.

 

[CalBear]

Dilfer is a terrible QB; the worst to ever win a Super Bowl. He's highly inaccurate, and despite his reputation, has more INTs than TDs in his career, and has never hit 60% completions for a year.

True, but a lot of his bad stats were from being thrown to the wolves as a young player with a terrible surrounding cast in Tampa Bay. It was a situation similar to Kyle Boller today- You can't really judge a young player(QB especially) in a terrible situation like that.

1999 was Dilfer's sixth year in the league. From 1999-2004, he has 36 TDs and 35 INTs and a 58.3% completion rate. For a completely mature QB, those are weak numbers.

 

[jwvdcw]

Ok fine...I'm willing to admit that he wasn't a good QB in the past since both of you raise some good points. But what exactly would your scouting report on him be? Would this be accurateositives: Strong Arm, Prototypical size, good leader, well liked, doesn't make mistakesNegatives: Accuracy is a big problemIs that his only negative? And if so, don't you think that can be corrected? I mean, for a QB with so many positives, it seems like he could be a decent QB if given a chance and if he works on accuracy a lot.

 

[Capella]

Ok fine...I'm willing to admit that he wasn't a good QB in the past since both of you raise some good points. But what exactly would your scouting report on him be? Would this be accurateositives: Strong Arm, Prototypical size, good leader, well liked, doesn't make mistakesNegatives: Accuracy is a big problemIs that his only negative? And if so, don't you think that can be corrected? I mean, for a QB with so many positives, it seems like he could be a decent QB if given a chance and if he works on accuracy a lot.

inaccurate, and I don't want to say "not smart", because he seems to be of reasonable intelligence...but not 'QB smart'...he just doesn't always seem to be on the same page as the others. lots of times in Tampa he would throw to the wrong spot, or not find the open man...then he would wave his hands in the air and give a glare at his receivers...this just happened far too many times with far too many targets for it to be everybody else and not him.fyi, I was ALWAYS a Dilfer supporter, and he was a favorite of mine despite his ineptitude. I wish it worked out better for him, but not everybody becomes a star player. He is what he is...a solid backup, good teammate and a guy who could come in and win a game for you if need be. But not a star and not a guy I'd want driving the bus of a playoff team.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Dilfer is good, but he's no Jeff George.

 

[jwvdcw]

Ok fine...I'm willing to admit that he wasn't a good QB in the past since both of you raise some good points. But what exactly would your scouting report on him be? Would this be accurate:

Positives: Strong Arm, Prototypical size, good leader, well liked, doesn't make mistakes

Negatives: Accuracy is a big problem

Is that his only negative? And if so, don't you think that can be corrected? I mean, for a QB with so many positives, it seems like he could be a decent QB if given a chance and if he works on accuracy a lot.

inaccurate, and I don't want to say "not smart", because he seems to be of reasonable intelligence...but not 'QB smart'...he just doesn't always seem to be on the same page as the others. lots of times in Tampa he would throw to the wrong spot, or not find the open man...then he would wave his hands in the air and give a glare at his receivers...this just happened far too many times with far too many targets for it to be everybody else and not him.

fyi, I was ALWAYS a Dilfer supporter, and he was a favorite of mine despite his ineptitude. I wish it worked out better for him, but not everybody becomes a star player. He is what he is...a solid backup, good teammate and a guy who could come in and win a game for you if need be. But not a star and not a guy I'd want driving the bus of a playoff team.

but again you're brining up TB, which was very early in his career. Don't you think that he has improved upon that "QB smarts" while in Baltimore and Seattle?Anyway, looks like hes the starter now, so we'll find out.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Trent Dilfer IIRC was a top 5 draft pick.

Ryan Leaf was a top 5 pick as well.

 

[Phlash]

Joey Harrington, if he possesed the defense and running game that the Ravens had in 2000, would help his team out more than Dilfer did during that run.The Ravens offense was horrendous. Their defense carried them, and it didn't really matter who was at QB (unless it was Ryan Leaf :|)

 

[MelvinTScupper]

the not so subtle nuances of the NFL. It's not about pedigree, apparent skill set, family name or draft position.Ask Favre.Sometimes, it's the not so obvious things, I guess.

 

[rzrback77]

An additional factor as two why he's not a good NFL QB now is that he plays for Cleveland. :XEdit for spelling

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

QBs that get drafted high in the first round of the NFL draft all have great physical abilities. They all have great arms, prototypical size, etc.

Trent Dilfer IIRC was a top 5 draft pick.

Basically, all these high round picks need to pan out is the mental ability and leadership that a good QB needs(the all already have the physical skills). This is what separates Ryan Leaf from Peyton Manning.

Well, Trent Dilfer is widely regarded as one of the best teamates in the league and a great leader. And when the Ravens won the super bowl, Dilfer was widely regarded as a great 'game manager' and someone who doesn't make a lot of mistakes.

So lets recap:

Dilfer has amazing physical talent- enough to be a top 5 draft pick

He is a good leader

He doesn't make a lot of mistakes

What exactly am I missing here? Is there any reason why this guy isn't at the very least a starting QB? What are his shortcomings?

I think the part where you post he has amazing talent is a giant leap of faith. Yes, he may have been drafted highly............but someone screwed up and now it looks as though he shouldn't have been drafted that highly. Let's face it, he won the SB because he played behind one of the greatest defenses ever. That's not what I consider amazing talent. If he was asked to do anything remotely of what Tom Brady or even Jake Delhomme in the SB, he would have failed miserably.

 

[P Boy]

But the point is, the man has had some talent around him and has had more than ample opportunities to do things with it. He's just not a very good QB.

Some talent?!? Check out this list of future HoFers who were his top WRs through 2000:1994Horace Copeland Lawrence Dawsey Charles Wilson 1995Horace Copeland Alvin Harper Courtney Hawkins 1996Alvin Harper Robb Thomas Karl Williams 1997Reidel Anthony Horace Copeland Karl Williams 1998Reidel Anthony Bert Emanuel Jacquez Green Karl Williams 1999Reidel Anthony Bert Emanuel Jacquez Green 2000Qadry Ismail Patrick Johnson Jermaine Lewis Travis Taylor Then he goes to Seattle in 2001, where he has to fight for a roster spot because Holmgren's chosen one - Hasselbeck - is playing QB.I'd like to see any QB put up good numbers with that pathetic lot of WRs - much less a SB W despite not getting many snaps in the preseason with BAL because Banks was the coach's pet & a pro-Bowl appearance with TB.C'mon, sure, he's not a world beater - or a Favre or Elway who can turn chicken*** into chicken salad (but how many QBs are?) - but the guy was certainly a very capable NFL QB who did a pretty darn job job with what he had to work with.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Don't forget he had Shannon Sharpe in Baltimore, and I doubt they win the Super Bowl without him on their roster.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Don't forget he had Shannon Sharpe in Baltimore, and I doubt they win the Super Bowl without him on their roster.

Yep, he was outstanding that year. Leaving Sharpe off when talking about their passing attack is like talking about Kansas City's passing attack without mentioning Gonzalez.

 

[jwvdcw]

Trent Dilfer IIRC was a top 5 draft pick.

Ryan Leaf was a top 5 pick as well.

And Ryan Leaf had tremendous physical skills as well. That was the only point I was raising by mentioning that.Leaf's problem was mental...but clearly, Dilfer is well liked and a pretty good leader, so he has his head on straight.

 

[jwvdcw]

Joey Harrington, if he possesed the defense and running game that the Ravens had in 2000, would help his team out more than Dilfer did during that run.

The Ravens offense was horrendous. Their defense carried them, and it didn't really matter who was at QB (unless it was Ryan Leaf :|)

Well that Ravens were about a .500 team with Tony Banks that year before Dilfer took over and went 13-1 IIRC, so I don't know if I agree with youAlso, Dilfer also won his next 6 or so starts in Seattle after that(don't quote me on that exact number) and he put up pretty good stats there, so he must have been doing something right. I understand that the Seahawks wanted to go with youth in Hasselbeck even though Dilfer was playing well, but I was always surprised that another team didn't trade for him and give him a shot before this year.

 

[jwvdcw]

QBs that get drafted high in the first round of the NFL draft all have great physical abilities. They all have great arms, prototypical size, etc.

Trent Dilfer IIRC was a top 5 draft pick.

Basically, all these high round picks need to pan out is the mental ability and leadership that a good QB needs(the all already have the physical skills). This is what separates Ryan Leaf from Peyton Manning.

Well, Trent Dilfer is widely regarded as one of the best teamates in the league and a great leader. And when the Ravens won the super bowl, Dilfer was widely regarded as a great 'game manager' and someone who doesn't make a lot of mistakes.

So lets recap:

Dilfer has amazing physical talent- enough to be a top 5 draft pick

He is a good leader

He doesn't make a lot of mistakes

What exactly am I missing here? Is there any reason why this guy isn't at the very least a starting QB? What are his shortcomings?

I think the part where you post he has amazing talent is a giant leap of faith. Yes, he may have been drafted highly............but someone screwed up and now it looks as though he shouldn't have been drafted that highly. Let's face it, he won the SB because he played behind one of the greatest defenses ever. That's not what I consider amazing talent. If he was asked to do anything remotely of what Tom Brady or even Jake Delhomme in the SB, he would have failed miserably.

I disagree with you. Merely from a physical talent aspect(arm strength, height/weight, throwing motion and ability), you don't go in the top 5 of the NFL draft without being great...there are far too many scouts who analyze every single aspect of the game for a guy without amazing talent to go that high.

 

[jwvdcw]

As you can all tell, I'm a Dilfer fan. I honestly think that hes a top 20 real life(not FF) QB in the NFL. I believe that any young QB with average offensive talent around him will struggle. But I saw some very good things from him in Baltimore and Seattle and I think that he wil surprise some this year.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Trent Dilfer IIRC was a top 5 draft pick.

Ryan Leaf was a top 5 pick as well.

And Ryan Leaf had tremendous physical skills as well. That was the only point I was raising by mentioning that.Leaf's problem was mental...but clearly, Dilfer is well liked and a pretty good leader, so he has his head on straight.

The relation of a player's draft position, his skill set and the ability to succeed in the NFL is not as close as you might be led to believe.

 

[Chaos]

First off, I'm not trying to build a case that Dilfer is great.The first thing I thought of when people started dogging Dilfer and his accuracy was McNabb. Prior to TO coming to town, McNabb's completion % was dreadfully low. Why then has McNabb been considered a good QB but Dilfer is not.Maybe its TDs? The offense in PHI uses passes in the red zone and particularly in goal line situations which McNabb more opps for TDs.Maybe its the domination the Eagles enjoy in the NFC. Dilfer came from a crappy Tampa team so he looks like a loser. He then goes on to a win a Super Bowl and since he is a loser we just say he's a "game manager" He didn't even have a TO to throw to.Even without the above, McNabb is just plain more exciting and is a threat (or at least was) to break a long run. Those rushing yards have kept him atop the Fantasy QB realm also helping create the feeling that he is a good QB.These are just some of my thoughts. Again I'm not trying to compare the QBs, just show some similarity and suggest that if Dilfer was on the PHI team from the get go like McNabb, he might be thought of in a different way. I mean come on, even AJ Feely looks good under center there.

 

[jwvdcw]

Trent Dilfer IIRC was a top 5 draft pick.

Ryan Leaf was a top 5 pick as well.

And Ryan Leaf had tremendous physical skills as well. That was the only point I was raising by mentioning that.Leaf's problem was mental...but clearly, Dilfer is well liked and a pretty good leader, so he has his head on straight.

The relation of a player's draft position, his skill set and the ability to succeed in the NFL is not as close as you might be led to believe.

The only comparison I'm making here is between a QB's draft position and his natural skills/athleticism. I'm contending that any QB drafted in the top 5 overall must be very good in this area.

 

[jwvdcw]

First off, I'm not trying to build a case that Dilfer is great.

The first thing I thought of when people started dogging Dilfer and his accuracy was McNabb. Prior to TO coming to town, McNabb's completion % was dreadfully low.

Why then has McNabb been considered a good QB but Dilfer is not.

Maybe its TDs? The offense in PHI uses passes in the red zone and particularly in goal line situations which McNabb more opps for TDs.

Maybe its the domination the Eagles enjoy in the NFC. Dilfer came from a crappy Tampa team so he looks like a loser. He then goes on to a win a Super Bowl and since he is a loser we just say he's a "game manager" He didn't even have a TO to throw to.

Even without the above, McNabb is just plain more exciting and is a threat (or at least was) to break a long run. Those rushing yards have kept him atop the Fantasy QB realm also helping create the feeling that he is a good QB.

These are just some of my thoughts. Again I'm not trying to compare the QBs, just show some similarity and suggest that if Dilfer was on the PHI team from the get go like McNabb, he might be thought of in a different way. I mean come on, even AJ Feely looks good under center there.

good points. Situation is so important with QB, especially a young QB who needs to establish confidence in himself. I really feel like Dilfer was fed to the wolves more than any QB in recent history in that he was...1.The starter

2.Surrounded by bad offensive talent

3.Had a good defense, so they were expected to win

Very tough situation for a young QB imo.

 

[jwvdcw]

I guess, I'd challenge all of the detractors to do this: Forget totally about TB for a minute since, as I just posted, I think it was a terrible situation. If Dilfer came in the league as a high draft pick and did what he did in Baltimore and Seattle, then would you regard him higher? And if you answered 'yes', then may I ask you why you are holding that terrible situation in TB against him?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

QBs that get drafted high in the first round of the NFL draft all have great physical abilities. They all have great arms, prototypical size, etc.

Trent Dilfer IIRC was a top 5 draft pick.

Basically, all these high round picks need to pan out is the mental ability and leadership that a good QB needs(the all already have the physical skills). This is what separates Ryan Leaf from Peyton Manning.

Well, Trent Dilfer is widely regarded as one of the best teamates in the league and a great leader. And when the Ravens won the super bowl, Dilfer was widely regarded as a great 'game manager' and someone who doesn't make a lot of mistakes.

So lets recap:

Dilfer has amazing physical talent- enough to be a top 5 draft pick

He is a good leader

He doesn't make a lot of mistakes

What exactly am I missing here? Is there any reason why this guy isn't at the very least a starting QB? What are his shortcomings?

I think the part where you post he has amazing talent is a giant leap of faith. Yes, he may have been drafted highly............but someone screwed up and now it looks as though he shouldn't have been drafted that highly. Let's face it, he won the SB because he played behind one of the greatest defenses ever. That's not what I consider amazing talent. If he was asked to do anything remotely of what Tom Brady or even Jake Delhomme in the SB, he would have failed miserably.

I disagree with you. Merely from a physical talent aspect(arm strength, height/weight, throwing motion and ability), you don't go in the top 5 of the NFL draft without being great...there are far too many scouts who analyze every single aspect of the game for a guy without amazing talent to go that high.

That's not entirely true JW. Just look at this year where the 49ers almost drafted Aaron Rodgers No.1 overall. Instead he fell to 24th overall. That's a huge discrepency. So whether you're drafted in the top 5 also depends a lot on team needs too

 

[MelvinTScupper]

I guess, I'd challenge all of the detractors to do this: Forget totally about TB for a minute since, as I just posted, I think it was a terrible situation. If Dilfer came in the league as a high draft pick and did what he did in Baltimore and Seattle, then would you regard him higher? And if you answered 'yes', then may I ask you why you are holding that terrible situation in TB against him?

No one here is a detractor. Your title is "Why isn't Trent Dil(f)er a better NFL QB?"We just agree that he isn't.

 

[David Yudkin]

Dilfer was the #6 pick in the 1994 draft--a draft that had limited talent at the QB position:1-3 Heath Shuler Redskins Tennessee 1-6 Trent Dilfer Buccaneers Fresno State 4-8 Perry Klein Falcons C.W. Post 4-13 Doug Nussmeier Saints Idaho 6-17 Jim Miller Steelers Michigan State 7-3 Gus Frerotte Redskins Tulsa 7-4 Jay Walker Patriots Howard 7-5 Steve Matthews Chiefs Memphis 7-14 Glenn Foley Jets Boston College

 

[MelvinTScupper]

Dilfer was the #6 pick in the 1994 draft--a draft that had limited talent at the QB position:

1-3 Heath Shuler Redskins Tennessee

1-6 Trent Dilfer Buccaneers Fresno State

4-8 Perry Klein Falcons C.W. Post

4-13 Doug Nussmeier Saints Idaho

6-17 Jim Miller Steelers Michigan State

7-3 Gus Frerotte Redskins Tulsa

7-4 Jay Walker Patriots Howard

7-5 Steve Matthews Chiefs Memphis

7-14 Glenn Foley Jets Boston College

Holy OUCH!

 

[MarshallRob]

Don't forget he had Shannon Sharpe in Baltimore, and I doubt they win the Super Bowl without him on their roster.

They definitely don't win it without Sharpe. Remember the AFC Championship Game that year? On the road in the second quarter of a scoreless game, the Ravens had 3d-and-18 at their own four-yard line. Oakland blitzed and Dilfer threw a short slant pass to Sharpe that turned into a 96-yard TD. That was the Ravens biggest play of the season. In the Super Bowl, I distinctly remember Dilfer missing several wide open receivers in the first half. The Ravens could have locked it up by halftime instead of being up only 10-0.

 

[Capella]

1997

Reidel Anthony

Horace Copeland

Karl Williams

1998

Reidel Anthony

Bert Emanuel

Jacquez Green

Karl Williams

1999

Reidel Anthony

Bert Emanuel

Jacquez Green

With Dunn and Alstott in their prime, these guys were plenty good enough to win with. Dilfer was just terrible...he made them worse than they were.

 

[Capella]

Ok fine...I'm willing to admit that he wasn't a good QB in the past since both of you raise some good points. But what exactly would your scouting report on him be? Would this be accurate:

Positives: Strong Arm, Prototypical size, good leader, well liked, doesn't make mistakes

Negatives: Accuracy is a big problem

Is that his only negative? And if so, don't you think that can be corrected? I mean, for a QB with so many positives, it seems like he could be a decent QB if given a chance and if he works on accuracy a lot.

inaccurate, and I don't want to say "not smart", because he seems to be of reasonable intelligence...but not 'QB smart'...he just doesn't always seem to be on the same page as the others. lots of times in Tampa he would throw to the wrong spot, or not find the open man...then he would wave his hands in the air and give a glare at his receivers...this just happened far too many times with far too many targets for it to be everybody else and not him.

fyi, I was ALWAYS a Dilfer supporter, and he was a favorite of mine despite his ineptitude. I wish it worked out better for him, but not everybody becomes a star player. He is what he is...a solid backup, good teammate and a guy who could come in and win a game for you if need be. But not a star and not a guy I'd want driving the bus of a playoff team.

but again you're brining up TB, which was very early in his career. Don't you think that he has improved upon that "QB smarts" while in Baltimore and Seattle?Anyway, looks like hes the starter now, so we'll find out.

Only took you 6 months to get back to me, huh?Yes, I think he has improved his game since he left Tampa.

No, I don't think he's a top-20 QB in the league now. Certainly a top-5 backup.

 

[Bojang0301]

Boy lets just wipe the slate clean for all busts and say hey these guys are good. Another useless baseless post.

 

[Chase Stuart]

The problem is none of this is really relevant. Whether or not you think Dilfer can be a very good QB with a good supporting cast is moot, since he's got one of the worst three supporting casts in the league right now.

 

[jwvdcw]

QBs that get drafted high in the first round of the NFL draft all have great physical abilities. They all have great arms, prototypical size, etc.

Trent Dilfer IIRC was a top 5 draft pick.

Basically, all these high round picks need to pan out is the mental ability and leadership that a good QB needs(the all already have the physical skills). This is what separates Ryan Leaf from Peyton Manning.

Well, Trent Dilfer is widely regarded as one of the best teamates in the league and a great leader. And when the Ravens won the super bowl, Dilfer was widely regarded as a great 'game manager' and someone who doesn't make a lot of mistakes.

So lets recap:

Dilfer has amazing physical talent- enough to be a top 5 draft pick

He is a good leader

He doesn't make a lot of mistakes

What exactly am I missing here? Is there any reason why this guy isn't at the very least a starting QB? What are his shortcomings?

I think the part where you post he has amazing talent is a giant leap of faith. Yes, he may have been drafted highly............but someone screwed up and now it looks as though he shouldn't have been drafted that highly. Let's face it, he won the SB because he played behind one of the greatest defenses ever. That's not what I consider amazing talent. If he was asked to do anything remotely of what Tom Brady or even Jake Delhomme in the SB, he would have failed miserably.

I disagree with you. Merely from a physical talent aspect(arm strength, height/weight, throwing motion and ability), you don't go in the top 5 of the NFL draft without being great...there are far too many scouts who analyze every single aspect of the game for a guy without amazing talent to go that high.

That's not entirely true JW. Just look at this year where the 49ers almost drafted Aaron Rodgers No.1 overall. Instead he fell to 24th overall. That's a huge discrepency. So whether you're drafted in the top 5 also depends a lot on team needs too

Yeah, and if he had better physical skills then he would've gone top 5. I don't get your point. Can you name one top 5 pick in the past 10 years that hasn't had great physical/natural talent?

 

[jwvdcw]

Dilfer was the #6 pick in the 1994 draft--a draft that had limited talent at the QB position:

1-3 Heath Shuler Redskins Tennessee

1-6 Trent Dilfer Buccaneers Fresno State

4-8 Perry Klein Falcons C.W. Post

4-13 Doug Nussmeier Saints Idaho

6-17 Jim Miller Steelers Michigan State

7-3 Gus Frerotte Redskins Tulsa

7-4 Jay Walker Patriots Howard

7-5 Steve Matthews Chiefs Memphis

7-14 Glenn Foley Jets Boston College

There were 2 QBs picked in the first 3 rounds there. There are 2 decent QBs from that class(Frerotte and Dilfer). Certainly its not a great class, but you don't really expect much from a class that only include 2 picks in the first 3 rounds, do you?

 

[jwvdcw]

1997

Reidel Anthony     

Horace Copeland 

Karl Williams 

1998

Reidel Anthony 

Bert Emanuel   

Jacquez Green     

Karl Williams 

1999

Reidel Anthony     

Bert Emanuel       

Jacquez Green 

With Dunn and Alstott in their prime, these guys were plenty good enough to win with. Dilfer was just terrible...he made them worse than they were.

those were pretty bad WRs. You can be a homer all you want, but you can't deny that. And Dilfer was a rookie QB...of course he is going to be bad, especially with poor WRs. What do you expect? But when he actually had talent, he won. And when he actually had decent WRs(in Seattle) he put up pretty good stats.

 

[jwvdcw]

Boy lets just wipe the slate clean for all busts and say hey these guys are good. Another useless baseless post.

A QB that comes in the league and struggles initially, then wins a super bowl playing 'game manager', then goes to another team where he puts up good stats and has a winning record....that is a bust to you?

 

[jwvdcw]

The problem is none of this is really relevant. Whether or not you think Dilfer can be a very good QB with a good supporting cast is moot, since he's got one of the worst three supporting casts in the league right now.

I agree. But I still think thier offense will be better than some think just because I think Dilfer is better than most think.

 

[Capella]

1997

Reidel Anthony      

Horace Copeland  

Karl Williams 

1998

Reidel Anthony 

Bert Emanuel    

Jacquez Green      

Karl Williams  

1999

Reidel Anthony      

Bert Emanuel       

Jacquez Green 

With Dunn and Alstott in their prime, these guys were plenty good enough to win with. Dilfer was just terrible...he made them worse than they were.

those were pretty bad WRs. You can be a homer all you want, but you can't deny that. And Dilfer was a rookie QB...of course he is going to be bad, especially with poor WRs. What do you expect? But when he actually had talent, he won. And when he actually had decent WRs(in Seattle) he put up pretty good stats.

Dilfer was a rookie in 1994...not 1997.And I'm a homer, but I've said millions of times around here when a Bucs player sucks.

Like Trent Dilfer. When he was in Tampa, he sucked. Period.

 

[jwvdcw]

1997

Reidel Anthony      

Horace Copeland  

Karl Williams 

1998

Reidel Anthony 

Bert Emanuel    

Jacquez Green      

Karl Williams  

1999

Reidel Anthony      

Bert Emanuel       

Jacquez Green 

With Dunn and Alstott in their prime, these guys were plenty good enough to win with. Dilfer was just terrible...he made them worse than they were.

those were pretty bad WRs. You can be a homer all you want, but you can't deny that. And Dilfer was a rookie QB...of course he is going to be bad, especially with poor WRs. What do you expect? But when he actually had talent, he won. And when he actually had decent WRs(in Seattle) he put up pretty good stats.

Dilfer was a rookie in 1994...not 1997.And I'm a homer, but I've said millions of times around here when a Bucs player sucks.

Like Trent Dilfer. When he was in Tampa, he sucked. Period.

I agree that he sucked while in Tampa...wow, what a surprise: a young QB(1st 3 years) is paired with bad WRs, high expectations, and thrown right to the wolves and he doesn't play well...big surprise there.I just don't see how you can hold that against him. As I said, thats pretty much the worst situation I can think of for a young QB to be put in.

 

[schooner44]

The bottom line is that Dilfer is a "system" QB. Now I'm not saying he is as good as Aikman but Dilfer is the kinda guy who won't win you any games but he won't lose any for you either similar to the way Aikman was in Dallas. In the right system (ie Baltimore) he was a perfect fit to compliment a great defense.

 

[jwvdcw]

It seems that everyone is forgetting about Dilfer in Seattle. After leading the Ravens to the SB in 2000, he went to Seattle in 2001. Granted that its a small sample size with only 4 games started, but here were his numbers in those games:15/23, 219 yards, 1 td, 1 int, his team won12/18, 110 yards, 0 td, 0 int, his team won14/23, 267 yards, 3 tds, 0 int, his team won22/38, 248 yards, 2 tds, 2 ints, his team wonBasically, this is what I see when I look at Dilfer:-Drafted top 5 overall. A great prospect with a ton of potential.-Drafted into a terrible situation- pretty much the worst possible situation for a rookie RB for the 3 factors I've already mentioned. As expected, he performed poorly.-Went to another team that had great potential, but was getting poor QB play and had started the season poorly. He took over, was a good leader, managed the games very well, and they won the SB-Went to another team and in limited time, he did very well. This team had a young potential stud though, so Dilfer never got a real chance to be the long term starter.Would anyone disagree with any of these characterizations? And if not, then what is there to suggest that Dilfer isn't an adequate NFL QB? I just don't get it.

 

[Chaka]

It seems that everyone is forgetting about Dilfer in Seattle. After leading the Ravens to the SB in 2000, he went to Seattle in 2001. Granted that its a small sample size with only 4 games started, but here were his numbers in those games:

15/23, 219 yards, 1 td, 1 int, his team won

12/18, 110 yards, 0 td, 0 int, his team won

14/23, 267 yards, 3 tds, 0 int, his team won

22/38, 248 yards, 2 tds, 2 ints, his team won

Basically, this is what I see when I look at Dilfer:

-Drafted top 5 overall. A great prospect with a ton of potential.

-Drafted into a terrible situation- pretty much the worst possible situation for a rookie RB for the 3 factors I've already mentioned. As expected, he performed poorly.

-Went to another team that had great potential, but was getting poor QB play and had started the season poorly. He took over, was a good leader, managed the games very well, and they won the SB

-Went to another team and in limited time, he did very well. This team had a young potential stud though, so Dilfer never got a real chance to be the long term starter.

Would anyone disagree with any of these characterizations? And if not, then what is there to suggest that Dilfer isn't an adequate NFL QB? I just don't get it.

All Hail JW....:The King of The Small Sample Size,

The Duke of The Repetitive Argument,

and

The Sultan of The Six Month Bump.

Dilfer is decent that's all.

 

[jwvdcw]

It seems that everyone is forgetting about Dilfer in Seattle. After leading the Ravens to the SB in 2000, he went to Seattle in 2001. Granted that its a small sample size with only 4 games started, but here were his numbers in those games:

15/23, 219 yards, 1 td, 1 int, his team won

12/18, 110 yards, 0 td, 0 int, his team won

14/23, 267 yards, 3 tds, 0 int, his team won

22/38, 248 yards, 2 tds, 2 ints, his team won

Basically, this is what I see when I look at Dilfer:

-Drafted top 5 overall. A great prospect with a ton of potential.

-Drafted into a terrible situation- pretty much the worst possible situation for a rookie RB for the 3 factors I've already mentioned. As expected, he performed poorly.

-Went to another team that had great potential, but was getting poor QB play and had started the season poorly. He took over, was a good leader, managed the games very well, and they won the SB

-Went to another team and in limited time, he did very well. This team had a young potential stud though, so Dilfer never got a real chance to be the long term starter.

Would anyone disagree with any of these characterizations? And if not, then what is there to suggest that Dilfer isn't an adequate NFL QB? I just don't get it.

All Hail JW....:The King of The Small Sample Size,

The Duke of The Repetitive Argument,

and

The Sultan of The Six Month Bump.

Dilfer is decent that's all.

I said that it was a small sample size....I'm not sure where I've repeated this argument before- If you can provide a link, then I'll surely say you're right and stop arguing....Well since Dilfer has been named the starter, I thought it was worth bumping since he wasn't starting when this was created, but I guess you don't understand that.

 

[Bojang0301]

Boy lets just wipe the slate clean for all busts and say hey these guys are good. Another useless baseless post.

A QB that comes in the league and struggles initially, then wins a super bowl playing 'game manager', then goes to another team where he puts up good stats and has a winning record....that is a bust to you?

I suppose Tommy Maddox is also not a bust then. Dilfer is nothing special, did not deserve his draft position and wasn't even wanted by the team he led to a superbowl... but I guess that is pretty impressive to wacko's who post garbage.

 

[jwvdcw]

Boy lets just wipe the slate clean for all busts and say hey these guys are good. Another useless baseless post.

A QB that comes in the league and struggles initially, then wins a super bowl playing 'game manager', then goes to another team where he puts up good stats and has a winning record....that is a bust to you?

I suppose Tommy Maddox is also not a bust then. Dilfer is nothing special, did not deserve his draft position and wasn't even wanted by the team he led to a superbowl... but I guess that is pretty impressive to wacko's who post garbage.

Tommy Maddox led a team to a SB? Tommy Maddox has put up good numbers whenever he has had average WRs? Tommy Maddox has not played any bad years except for very early in his career? Tommy Maddox was just brought in to be a starter? I could go on...