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Why no fantasy love for Phillip Rivers? (1 Viewer)

Tornacl

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Why does Phillip Rivers not seem to get much fantasy love? This year, he's been a top 5 QB, but it doesn't seem that many people trust him going forward. I can understand why some people don't like him, as he can be obnoxious and he throws like Danny Weurfel, but from a fantasy perspective, he did very well. He's still young, and he excelled with LT not being himself and Gates being much less effective than in years past.

For some reason, he's a guy that's pretty hard to trade, because no one seems to want to give what he should be worth. I would think that a top 5 QB his age would be worth more than a rookie pick, but I doubt anyone would be willing to give up a 1.1 pick.

What is his value, and why isn't it higher?

 
Why does Phillip Rivers not seem to get much fantasy love? This year, he's been a top 5 QB, but it doesn't seem that many people trust him going forward. I can understand why some people don't like him, as he can be obnoxious and he throws like Danny Weurfel, but from a fantasy perspective, he did very well. He's still young, and he excelled with LT not being himself and Gates being much less effective than in years past.For some reason, he's a guy that's pretty hard to trade, because no one seems to want to give what he should be worth. I would think that a top 5 QB his age would be worth more than a rookie pick, but I doubt anyone would be willing to give up a 1.1 pick.What is his value, and why isn't it higher?
Give him another year of throwing up solid numbers like this. I got him late in my dynasty and drafted him as my 3rd QB (D.A./hancuffed Quinn) but I was pretty high up on him this season after he showed what he could do in the playoffs with a torn ACL.
 
Be prepared for this to turn into a WDIS thread.

Moving on, i agree, he is harder to trade than he should be. Having both him and Cutler in a league, i tried to trade Rivers, but people wanted Cutler. I had, or at least thought i had them ranked equally, but when it came to trading Cutler, and keeping Rivers, i couldnt pull the trigger.

I like Rivers, and think he is a top 5-8 dynasty QB, but something does scares me about him that i wouldnt want to depend on him as my #1 without a good backup. I just cant put my finger on it.

I think he should probably bring a 2nd tier WR in a trade, i just dont think many people would give up a WR like Colston for him, and i wouldnt trade him for any less.

 
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Be prepared for this to turn into a WDIS thread.Moving on, i agree, he is harder to trade than he should be. Having both him and Cutler in a league, i tried to trade Rivers, but people wanted Cutler. I had, or at least thought i had them ranked equally, but when it came to trading Cutler, and keeping Rivers, i couldnt pull the trigger. I like Rivers, and think he is a top 5-8 dynasty QB, but something does scares me about him that i wouldnt want to depend on him as my #1 without a good backup. I just cant put my finger on it.I think he should probably bring a 2nd tier WR in a trade, i just dont think many people would give up a WR like Colston for him, and i wouldnt trade him for any less.
If you're referring to me wanting to know who to start, don't worry, I'm done this year, as I've already been eliminated.I've seen the same thing you mentioned regarding Rivers and Cutler. Both are about the same age, have had pretty similar stats the last two years, yet everyone wants Cutler and not many people want Rivers. No one seems to trust him as their #1 QB. It seems to me that he could be quite a steal, a 28 year old top 5 QB that you could probably get for a high draft pick or a 2nd tier WR or RB. If you look at Cutler and Rivers, the biggest difference between them IMO is arm strength. Everyone wants Cutler and no one wants Rivers. So if you were looking to add a young QB, and decided to target Cutler and Rivers, wouldn't Rivers be worth some consideration, since he could be had for far less than Cutler?As LT's ability diminishes, there's a very good chance that Rivers will be depended on more, so at the very least, his production should be able to stay pretty close to where it is. If you assume that Brady comes back above him (which he will), then he'd still easily be in the top 10 for the coming several years. I doubt that you could get any of the other top 10 ranked QBs for less.
 
Tornacl said:
Burning Sensation said:
Be prepared for this to turn into a WDIS thread.

Moving on, i agree, he is harder to trade than he should be. Having both him and Cutler in a league, i tried to trade Rivers, but people wanted Cutler. I had, or at least thought i had them ranked equally, but when it came to trading Cutler, and keeping Rivers, i couldnt pull the trigger.

I like Rivers, and think he is a top 5-8 dynasty QB, but something does scares me about him that i wouldnt want to depend on him as my #1 without a good backup. I just cant put my finger on it.

I think he should probably bring a 2nd tier WR in a trade, i just dont think many people would give up a WR like Colston for him, and i wouldnt trade him for any less.
If you're referring to me wanting to know who to start, don't worry, I'm done this year, as I've already been eliminated.I've seen the same thing you mentioned regarding Rivers and Cutler. Both are about the same age, have had pretty similar stats the last two years, yet everyone wants Cutler and not many people want Rivers. No one seems to trust him as their #1 QB.

It seems to me that he could be quite a steal, a 28 year old top 5 QB that you could probably get for a high draft pick or a 2nd tier WR or RB. If you look at Cutler and Rivers, the biggest difference between them IMO is arm strength. Everyone wants Cutler and no one wants Rivers. So if you were looking to add a young QB, and decided to target Cutler and Rivers, wouldn't Rivers be worth some consideration, since he could be had for far less than Cutler?

As LT's ability diminishes, there's a very good chance that Rivers will be depended on more, so at the very least, his production should be able to stay pretty close to where it is. If you assume that Brady comes back above him (which he will), then he'd still easily be in the top 10 for the coming several years. I doubt that you could get any of the other top 10 ranked QBs for less.
I wasnt talking about you, but threads like this usually turn into people asking should they start this player over _______.I do agree that Rivers is a guy to target this offseason as compared to the other top 5-6 QB's.

 
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Tornacl said:
Burning Sensation said:
Be prepared for this to turn into a WDIS thread.

Moving on, i agree, he is harder to trade than he should be. Having both him and Cutler in a league, i tried to trade Rivers, but people wanted Cutler. I had, or at least thought i had them ranked equally, but when it came to trading Cutler, and keeping Rivers, i couldnt pull the trigger.

I like Rivers, and think he is a top 5-8 dynasty QB, but something does scares me about him that i wouldnt want to depend on him as my #1 without a good backup. I just cant put my finger on it.

I think he should probably bring a 2nd tier WR in a trade, i just dont think many people would give up a WR like Colston for him, and i wouldnt trade him for any less.
If you're referring to me wanting to know who to start, don't worry, I'm done this year, as I've already been eliminated.I've seen the same thing you mentioned regarding Rivers and Cutler. Both are about the same age, have had pretty similar stats the last two years, yet everyone wants Cutler and not many people want Rivers. No one seems to trust him as their #1 QB.

It seems to me that he could be quite a steal, a 28 year old top 5 QB that you could probably get for a high draft pick or a 2nd tier WR or RB. If you look at Cutler and Rivers, the biggest difference between them IMO is arm strength. Everyone wants Cutler and no one wants Rivers. So if you were looking to add a young QB, and decided to target Cutler and Rivers, wouldn't Rivers be worth some consideration, since he could be had for far less than Cutler?

As LT's ability diminishes, there's a very good chance that Rivers will be depended on more, so at the very least, his production should be able to stay pretty close to where it is. If you assume that Brady comes back above him (which he will), then he'd still easily be in the top 10 for the coming several years. I doubt that you could get any of the other top 10 ranked QBs for less.
I wasnt talking about you, but threads like this usually turn into people asking should they start this player over _______.I do agree that Rivers is a guy to target this offseason as compared to the other top 5-6 QB's.
No worries about the WDIS, I was trying to ensure you that wasn't my intention.Obviously, there's something about the guy that makes a lot of people feel uncomfortable. In a dynasty league, I have Rivers and PManning as my two QBs. Manning was having a sub-par year, yet most weeks I couldn't get myself to play Rivers instead. I've tried pretty hard to trade him to teams that really needed QBs, but no one was interested. I still don't know why that is.

 
Tornacl said:
Burning Sensation said:
Be prepared for this to turn into a WDIS thread.

Moving on, i agree, he is harder to trade than he should be. Having both him and Cutler in a league, i tried to trade Rivers, but people wanted Cutler. I had, or at least thought i had them ranked equally, but when it came to trading Cutler, and keeping Rivers, i couldnt pull the trigger.

I like Rivers, and think he is a top 5-8 dynasty QB, but something does scares me about him that i wouldnt want to depend on him as my #1 without a good backup. I just cant put my finger on it.

I think he should probably bring a 2nd tier WR in a trade, i just dont think many people would give up a WR like Colston for him, and i wouldnt trade him for any less.
If you're referring to me wanting to know who to start, don't worry, I'm done this year, as I've already been eliminated.I've seen the same thing you mentioned regarding Rivers and Cutler. Both are about the same age, have had pretty similar stats the last two years, yet everyone wants Cutler and not many people want Rivers. No one seems to trust him as their #1 QB.

It seems to me that he could be quite a steal, a 28 year old top 5 QB that you could probably get for a high draft pick or a 2nd tier WR or RB. If you look at Cutler and Rivers, the biggest difference between them IMO is arm strength. Everyone wants Cutler and no one wants Rivers. So if you were looking to add a young QB, and decided to target Cutler and Rivers, wouldn't Rivers be worth some consideration, since he could be had for far less than Cutler?

As LT's ability diminishes, there's a very good chance that Rivers will be depended on more, so at the very least, his production should be able to stay pretty close to where it is. If you assume that Brady comes back above him (which he will), then he'd still easily be in the top 10 for the coming several years. I doubt that you could get any of the other top 10 ranked QBs for less.
I wasnt talking about you, but threads like this usually turn into people asking should they start this player over _______.I do agree that Rivers is a guy to target this offseason as compared to the other top 5-6 QB's.
No worries about the WDIS, I was trying to ensure you that wasn't my intention.Obviously, there's something about the guy that makes a lot of people feel uncomfortable. In a dynasty league, I have Rivers and PManning as my two QBs. Manning was having a sub-par year, yet most weeks I couldn't get myself to play Rivers instead. I've tried pretty hard to trade him to teams that really needed QBs, but no one was interested. I still don't know why that is.
Yeah, i want to tell you the smart thing would be to trade Manning, as he would bring much more in a trade. Since i wouldnt trade Cutler and roll with Rivers myself, i can really suggest for you to do it, although it does seem like the smart thing.
 
Tornacl said:
Burning Sensation said:
Be prepared for this to turn into a WDIS thread.

Moving on, i agree, he is harder to trade than he should be. Having both him and Cutler in a league, i tried to trade Rivers, but people wanted Cutler. I had, or at least thought i had them ranked equally, but when it came to trading Cutler, and keeping Rivers, i couldnt pull the trigger.

I like Rivers, and think he is a top 5-8 dynasty QB, but something does scares me about him that i wouldnt want to depend on him as my #1 without a good backup. I just cant put my finger on it.

I think he should probably bring a 2nd tier WR in a trade, i just dont think many people would give up a WR like Colston for him, and i wouldnt trade him for any less.
If you're referring to me wanting to know who to start, don't worry, I'm done this year, as I've already been eliminated.I've seen the same thing you mentioned regarding Rivers and Cutler. Both are about the same age, have had pretty similar stats the last two years, yet everyone wants Cutler and not many people want Rivers. No one seems to trust him as their #1 QB.

It seems to me that he could be quite a steal, a 28 year old top 5 QB that you could probably get for a high draft pick or a 2nd tier WR or RB. If you look at Cutler and Rivers, the biggest difference between them IMO is arm strength. Everyone wants Cutler and no one wants Rivers. So if you were looking to add a young QB, and decided to target Cutler and Rivers, wouldn't Rivers be worth some consideration, since he could be had for far less than Cutler?

As LT's ability diminishes, there's a very good chance that Rivers will be depended on more, so at the very least, his production should be able to stay pretty close to where it is. If you assume that Brady comes back above him (which he will), then he'd still easily be in the top 10 for the coming several years. I doubt that you could get any of the other top 10 ranked QBs for less.
I wasnt talking about you, but threads like this usually turn into people asking should they start this player over _______.I do agree that Rivers is a guy to target this offseason as compared to the other top 5-6 QB's.
No worries about the WDIS, I was trying to ensure you that wasn't my intention.Obviously, there's something about the guy that makes a lot of people feel uncomfortable. In a dynasty league, I have Rivers and PManning as my two QBs. Manning was having a sub-par year, yet most weeks I couldn't get myself to play Rivers instead. I've tried pretty hard to trade him to teams that really needed QBs, but no one was interested. I still don't know why that is.
Yeah, i want to tell you the smart thing would be to trade Manning, as he would bring much more in a trade. Since i wouldnt trade Cutler and roll with Rivers myself, i can really suggest for you to do it, although it does seem like the smart thing.
I've thought about it, but that one's a hard one for me, because I've always been a big Manning fan. Also, the often-overlooked factor with Manning (and one of the reasons I drafted him in my dynasty) is that he's been so durable and reliable.btw - great discussion between this and the Brady thread!

 
I think people view him with scepticism, much the way they did last year with Garrard and always have with Hasselbeck and McNabb.

The more I think about it, I honestly believe Rivers' value is being held in check due to lack of a "sexy" receiver. It sounds silly but Malcom Floyd, Vincent Jackson, Deion Branch, Engram, Kevin Curtis? They factor in.

But pair a bubble QB (top 10-17) with a gamebreaker? Cutler/Marshall (heading into this year), Schaub/Johnson, Anderson/Braylon and people seem more likely to latch onto those stats as easier to be repeated.

Boy I'm not explaining what I'm trying to say very well at all - but hopefully I'm making sense. I think people are doubting the direction of Rivers' supporting cast as much as anything else and that's why you see the depressed value.

 
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I think people view him with scepticism, much the way they did last year with Garrard and always have with Hasselbeck and McNabb. The more I think about it, I honestly believe Rivers' value is being held in check due to lack of a "sexy" receiver. It sounds silly but Malcom Floyd, Vincent Jackson, Deion Branch, Engram, Kevin Curtis? They factor in. But pair a bubble QB (top 10-17) with a gamebreaker? Cutler/Marshall (heading into this year), Schaub/Johnson, Anderson/Braylon and people seem more likely to latch onto those stats as easier to be repeated. Boy I'm not explaining what I'm trying to say very well at all - but hopefully I'm making sense. I think people are doubting the direction of Rivers' supporting cast as much as anything else and that's why you see the depressed value.
Last I checked they did acquire Chambers last season and up until Chambers got hurt, Rivers looked for him often enough. Although I do realize Chambers ain't a #1 in the league right now, he was still his goto guy until the injury v. Miami.
 
I think people view him with scepticism, much the way they did last year with Garrard and always have with Hasselbeck and McNabb. The more I think about it, I honestly believe Rivers' value is being held in check due to lack of a "sexy" receiver. It sounds silly but Malcom Floyd, Vincent Jackson, Deion Branch, Engram, Kevin Curtis? They factor in. But pair a bubble QB (top 10-17) with a gamebreaker? Cutler/Marshall (heading into this year), Schaub/Johnson, Anderson/Braylon and people seem more likely to latch onto those stats as easier to be repeated. Boy I'm not explaining what I'm trying to say very well at all - but hopefully I'm making sense. I think people are doubting the direction of Rivers' supporting cast as much as anything else and that's why you see the depressed value.
Last I checked they did acquire Chambers last season and up until Chambers got hurt, Rivers looked for him often enough. Although I do realize Chambers ain't a #1 in the league right now, he was still his goto guy until the injury v. Miami.
I'm a bit confused as to how that alters my point.
 
I think people view him with scepticism, much the way they did last year with Garrard and always have with Hasselbeck and McNabb. The more I think about it, I honestly believe Rivers' value is being held in check due to lack of a "sexy" receiver. It sounds silly but Malcom Floyd, Vincent Jackson, Deion Branch, Engram, Kevin Curtis? They factor in. But pair a bubble QB (top 10-17) with a gamebreaker? Cutler/Marshall (heading into this year), Schaub/Johnson, Anderson/Braylon and people seem more likely to latch onto those stats as easier to be repeated. Boy I'm not explaining what I'm trying to say very well at all - but hopefully I'm making sense. I think people are doubting the direction of Rivers' supporting cast as much as anything else and that's why you see the depressed value.
You might be on to something here. Give Rivers a 1300 yard, 12 TD WR, and i may think more highly of him. I also worry once the threat of LT is gone, that the passing game may suffer. This probably started happening to some degree this season. I guess it boils down to me not tusting Rivers to carry an offense on his own. He either needs to throw agaisnt 8 men in the box, or have an elite WR to continue to be a top 5-8 fantasy QB.
 
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I think people view him with scepticism, much the way they did last year with Garrard and always have with Hasselbeck and McNabb. The more I think about it, I honestly believe Rivers' value is being held in check due to lack of a "sexy" receiver. It sounds silly but Malcom Floyd, Vincent Jackson, Deion Branch, Engram, Kevin Curtis? They factor in. But pair a bubble QB (top 10-17) with a gamebreaker? Cutler/Marshall (heading into this year), Schaub/Johnson, Anderson/Braylon and people seem more likely to latch onto those stats as easier to be repeated. Boy I'm not explaining what I'm trying to say very well at all - but hopefully I'm making sense. I think people are doubting the direction of Rivers' supporting cast as much as anything else and that's why you see the depressed value.
Last I checked they did acquire Chambers last season and up until Chambers got hurt, Rivers looked for him often enough. Although I do realize Chambers ain't a #1 in the league right now, he was still his goto guy until the injury v. Miami.
I'm a bit confused as to how that alters my point.
The start of this season, Chambers was posting up some decent #'s although he dropped some balls. I think Chambers had 4 TD's in the first 3 games? Can't really support much since he got hurt though.
 
I think people view him with scepticism, much the way they did last year with Garrard and always have with Hasselbeck and McNabb.

The more I think about it, I honestly believe Rivers' value is being held in check due to lack of a "sexy" receiver. It sounds silly but Malcom Floyd, Vincent Jackson, Deion Branch, Engram, Kevin Curtis? They factor in.

But pair a bubble QB (top 10-17) with a gamebreaker? Cutler/Marshall (heading into this year), Schaub/Johnson, Anderson/Braylon and people seem more likely to latch onto those stats as easier to be repeated.

Boy I'm not explaining what I'm trying to say very well at all - but hopefully I'm making sense. I think people are doubting the direction of Rivers' supporting cast as much as anything else and that's why you see the depressed value.
Pretty low on Shuab there. Guy has been a PPG stud. Now if he could ever stay healthy I'd take him over Rivers.
 
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I also have Manning and Rivers and looking at what they could pull in a dynasty trade.
Under conventional dynasty philosophy, Rivers should be worth considerably more as he is just getting to his peak, yet Manning would get way more than Rivers in reality.
 
I also have Manning and Rivers and looking at what they could pull in a dynasty trade.
Under conventional dynasty philosophy, Rivers should be worth considerably more as he is just getting to his peak, yet Manning would get way more than Rivers in reality.
Wish I had another QB other than Leinart and Stanton so I could trade Rivers or Manning for a top 5 rookie pick.
You could probably get a top 5 pick and a suitable backup QB for Manning.
 
Going to try 1.1 and Rodgers for 1.9 and Manning but I doubt that will work.

Who would you consider a young suitable backup to go along with a top 5 pick?

 
I think people view him with scepticism, much the way they did last year with Garrard and always have with Hasselbeck and McNabb. The more I think about it, I honestly believe Rivers' value is being held in check due to lack of a "sexy" receiver. It sounds silly but Malcom Floyd, Vincent Jackson, Deion Branch, Engram, Kevin Curtis? They factor in. But pair a bubble QB (top 10-17) with a gamebreaker? Cutler/Marshall (heading into this year), Schaub/Johnson, Anderson/Braylon and people seem more likely to latch onto those stats as easier to be repeated. Boy I'm not explaining what I'm trying to say very well at all - but hopefully I'm making sense. I think people are doubting the direction of Rivers' supporting cast as much as anything else and that's why you see the depressed value.
You might be on to something here. Give Rivers a 1300 yard, 12 TD WR, and i may think more highly of him. I also worry once the threat of LT is gone, that the passing game may suffer. This probably started happening to some degree this season. I guess it boils down to me not tusting Rivers to carry an offense on his own. He either needs to throw agaisnt 8 men in the box, or have an elite WR to continue to be a top 5-8 fantasy QB.
He's been carrying their offense on his own all season. Have you seen LT play this year?
 
I think people view him with scepticism, much the way they did last year with Garrard and always have with Hasselbeck and McNabb. The more I think about it, I honestly believe Rivers' value is being held in check due to lack of a "sexy" receiver. It sounds silly but Malcom Floyd, Vincent Jackson, Deion Branch, Engram, Kevin Curtis? They factor in. But pair a bubble QB (top 10-17) with a gamebreaker? Cutler/Marshall (heading into this year), Schaub/Johnson, Anderson/Braylon and people seem more likely to latch onto those stats as easier to be repeated. Boy I'm not explaining what I'm trying to say very well at all - but hopefully I'm making sense. I think people are doubting the direction of Rivers' supporting cast as much as anything else and that's why you see the depressed value.
You might be on to something here. Give Rivers a 1300 yard, 12 TD WR, and i may think more highly of him. I also worry once the threat of LT is gone, that the passing game may suffer. This probably started happening to some degree this season. I guess it boils down to me not tusting Rivers to carry an offense on his own. He either needs to throw agaisnt 8 men in the box, or have an elite WR to continue to be a top 5-8 fantasy QB.
He's been carrying their offense on his own all season. Have you seen LT play this year?
Sure, but LT is still LT. I like Rivers, just expressing some possible reasons i might be scared to count on him as my #1 QB going into next season.
 
Going to try 1.1 and Rodgers for 1.9 and Manning but I doubt that will work. Who would you consider a young suitable backup to go along with a top 5 pick?
I agree, the Rodgers owner probably values Rodgers as much as Manning.I would think a guy like Garrard, Flacco, or maybe even Palmer along with a top 5 pick would be fair for Manning.
 
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I like Rivers, and think he is a top 5-8 dynasty QB, but something does scares me about him that i wouldnt want to depend on him as my #1 without a good backup. I just cant put my finger on it.
To me it is fumbles/int. Last year semed like everytime i started him he wound up with negative points. ( Now the league does score negative for fumbles even if they weren't lost ) So that just stayed in my mind this year even with his great playing. Last year i was all high on him happy i got him as my ''franchise'' QB in a salary cap league and even though he played this year like i expected of him last year i just don't trust he can do it again. As someone else stated about him throwing the ball like _____ to me his playing style isn't pretty even though it was great this season. It just doesn't look natural. It is like LJ Smith to me. Even though looking at his stats he wouldn't be known as fumbler which has been pointed out to me numerous times over the years but every time i see him catch a ball in the open field i say Don't Fumble!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
There's been a few instances, especially recently, where a QB has one great year and then disappoints. I think the most recent examples that will stick in the minds of owners are Donovan McNabb 2004 and Derek Anderson 2007. Sure, the situations between them and Rivers aren't the same (and they never are) but I wouldn't be surprised to see owners exercise caution and look for Rivers to put up a second consecutive year like this before believing.

Part of the problem is that the coaching staff may get canned. Rivers may not have the clout to ensure a system is brought in to maximize his talents. Maybe a new coach comes in that takes an RB in round 1, wants to run the ball all day and doesn't care what Rivers wants.

 
There's been a few instances, especially recently, where a QB has one great year and then disappoints. I think the most recent examples that will stick in the minds of owners are Donovan McNabb 2004 and Derek Anderson 2007. Sure, the situations between them and Rivers aren't the same (and they never are) but I wouldn't be surprised to see owners exercise caution and look for Rivers to put up a second consecutive year like this before believing. Part of the problem is that the coaching staff may get canned. Rivers may not have the clout to ensure a system is brought in to maximize his talents. Maybe a new coach comes in that takes an RB in round 1, wants to run the ball all day and doesn't care what Rivers wants.
The coaching staff is not going to get fired. This will likely be Norv's second year (in two opportunities) in the playoffs. It is certainly possible that some assistants could take better jobs elsewhere, but in general the staff should remain intact.I can understand your point about players who have a great season and fail to repeat. I think McNabb is a bit of a curious example, since he was a top 5 fantasy QB twice before 2004... so I'll focus on Anderson in comparison to Rivers. Anderson came out of nowhere last year; Rivers didn't come out of nowhere this year, it was his third year starting, and he made the Pro Bowl and performed pretty well in 2006. And in 2007, Rivers had a very strong postseason, so the signs were there for this year.He may not repeat this year's performance (e.g., leading the league in TDs), but he's not going to have a follow-up season like Anderson.
 
There's been a few instances, especially recently, where a QB has one great year and then disappoints. I think the most recent examples that will stick in the minds of owners are Donovan McNabb 2004 and Derek Anderson 2007. Sure, the situations between them and Rivers aren't the same (and they never are) but I wouldn't be surprised to see owners exercise caution and look for Rivers to put up a second consecutive year like this before believing. Part of the problem is that the coaching staff may get canned. Rivers may not have the clout to ensure a system is brought in to maximize his talents. Maybe a new coach comes in that takes an RB in round 1, wants to run the ball all day and doesn't care what Rivers wants.
The coaching staff is not going to get fired. This will likely be Norv's second year (in two opportunities) in the playoffs. It is certainly possible that some assistants could take better jobs elsewhere, but in general the staff should remain intact.I can understand your point about players who have a great season and fail to repeat. I think McNabb is a bit of a curious example, since he was a top 5 fantasy QB twice before 2004... so I'll focus on Anderson in comparison to Rivers. Anderson came out of nowhere last year; Rivers didn't come out of nowhere this year, it was his third year starting, and he made the Pro Bowl and performed pretty well in 2006. And in 2007, Rivers had a very strong postseason, so the signs were there for this year.He may not repeat this year's performance (e.g., leading the league in TDs), but he's not going to have a follow-up season like Anderson.
The comparisons are never exact nor fair. But in trying to determine why Rivers may not receive fantasy love despite his 08 season, I think some owners will make those comparisons. To be clear, I'm not trying to predict what Rivers will do in 09. I'm trying to answer the OPs question about why Rivers gets no fantasy love.
 
Before this year, I was never a Philip Rivers fan from a fantasy perspective. Much of that was due to opportunity. LT was the main guy and was a scoring machine inside the 10. This limited Rivers' upside regarding number of TD passes. This year, LT is banged up and their OL wasn't a good at run-blocking compared to seasons past. Also, another poster mentioned that there is no sexy WR option. This is generally true regarding the perception of Rivers' potential. But with VJax and Floyd emerging, along with a top TE in Gates and LT/Sproles excellent receiving out of the backfield, Rivers has a lot of weapons to throw to....and he produced.

Rivers has also done a much better job protecting the ball. In previous seasons, he sometimes tries to force it to Gates. He seems to have more pocket presence....he moves pretty good despite the torn ACL. In the past, Rivers had those games where he would score less than 5 pts...too many to be relied upon as a starting fantasy QB.

My opinion has changed, and Rivers is now a solid starting fantasy QB. In redrafts, he will be a little overvalued in 2009. In dynasty, he's young and has many years left. I would look to trade for him......most likely the price won't be that steep.

 
Currently Rivers is ranked #2 in Zealots scoring. He's only 5.94 points behind Drew Brees as the #1 QB. For a guy who is having a huge year, theirs certainly not a lot of talk about how good a season he's actually having. He has more 2 more TDs and 5 less INT's than Brees. Brees gets all the praise, because he's going to break Marino's record. Not too mention the Chargers are still in the playoff hunt, while the Saints will watching the playoffs.

I'm pretty please to have drafted him at 7:02 in an inaugural draft, after I took Cutler at 5:08. I think Cutler has more appeal due to his canon of an arm, Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, and of course no running game. That said, Rivers has had a phenomenal season, especially when you consider LT has not been the LT of the past. Chambers has missed several games and Antonio Gates has been up and down. Rivers has gotten the job done with Malcolm Floyd and VJAX, Sproles. I certainly believe he's a top 5 dynasty QB

I'm not sure who will wind up being the better long term QB Cutler or Rivers, but I believe Rivers is starting to come into his own and will only get better. What a game it should be on Sunday night with everything on the line.

 
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Tornacl said:
A win again ov said:
I also have Manning and Rivers and looking at what they could pull in a dynasty trade.
Under conventional dynasty philosophy, Rivers should be worth considerably more as he is just getting to his peak, yet Manning would get way more than Rivers in reality.
Wish I had another QB other than Leinart and Stanton so I could trade Rivers or Manning for a top 5 rookie pick.
Manning would seriously go for a top 5 pick in your league? In my league, it would take a couple of 1st rounders and a decent name like Berrian just for starters! I highly doubt even that would get you there.
 

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