Why not Ronnie Brown? (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

The more research I do, the better Ronnie Brown is looking.

A conservative run oriented coach.

A coach that likes to control the clock.

Good defense.

No real competition with Ricky gone.

Fist RB chosen in 2005

Good size, good power, great speed and youth is on his side.

Tremendous upside.

 

[KGB]

good playoff schedule too

 

[Da Guru]

Brown has all the tools and then some. If he gets 20-25 touches a game he could very easily be a top 5 RB.

 

[Otis]

Because Cadillac is still on the board.

Otherwise I don't disagree.

 

[Monse]

I really like Ronnie Brown mid-to-late 1st round. He could potentialy sneak into the top 5 RBs by seasons end. He doesn't have to many carries on him (shared time in college & last season) and is on a strong, young offense with a good coach in Saban. I'm kind of regretting taking Steven Jackson #7 over Ronnie Brown in my intial dynasty draft.

 

[Kleck.]

Brown has all the tools and then some. If he gets 20-25 touches a game he could very easily be a top 5 RB.

Any RB who gets 25 touches a game should be top 5 or damn close to it.

 

[MLBrandow]

If you think he'll stay healthy and can handle a full load, there's no reason to not be high on him after LJ/LT/Portis.

That said, I'm staying far, far away.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Because Cadillac is still on the board.Otherwise I don't disagree.

That can only mean that you think Cadillac will get 65-70 more touches than Ronnie Brown. If so, then I don't disagree.

 

[gocats]

Brown is currently going 7th overall historically the 7th rated player scores about 250 fantasy points Brown only scored 144 fantasy points, I see a bump up because of the increased opportunity, but Im a little sceptical that his numbers will increase about 75% seeing how he has always been in a RBBC. At pick 7 I want someone that I know can carry the load and be an elite back, Brown has not proven that.

This happens every year, a starter leaves, and a promising young back takes over and people completly overrate their stats, it happened to McGahee last year (who was going 4th overall), and it happened to Barlow the year before (was going first round), McGahee had 5 more starts last year than the year before and put up even worse stats last year. Same thing with Barlow, and I would not be suprised to see the same thing to happen to Ronnie Brown

Ronnie Brown is being so overrated right now its not even funny, if he got ALL of RWills fantasy points this is what would of happend last year:

7th overall 266.3 E. James

Ricky Williams 119 pts

Ronnie Brown 135.5

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254.5

Basically people are drafting him assuming he will get all of Rwills fantasy points which simply wont happen, I would say his cealing is about 10th overall in fantasy points with a much lower floor in the 20's or 30's like McGahee (his stats dont do him justice he was horrible at the end of the year), or fall completly off the planet like Barlow.

 

[Obie Wan]

The big negative with Ronnie Brown is the idiot OC Mike Mullarkey.

If he follows form, he will run trick plays inside the 5 and take Brown out on all 3rd downs and severly underutilize him in the passing game.

Just wait till he demands Ronnie to bulk up so he can run betweenthe tackles better.

 

[MLBrandow]

This happens every year, a starter leaves, and a promising young back takes over and people completly overrate their stats, it happened to McGahee last year (who was going 4th overall), and it happened to Barlow the year before (was going first round), McGahee had 5 more starts last year than the year before and put up even worse stats last year. Same thing with Barlow, and I would not be suprised to see the same thing to happen to Ronnie Brown

 

[Interseptopus]

I agree with gocats. No way this guy gets all of Williams' fantasy points...

I don't believe he can stay healthy- we witnessed that last season when he was SPLITTING carries. I don't believe he can handle a full load just yet...

He's the Kevin Jones of last season... showed so much promise. People had Kevin Jones up in their mid top 10 rankings last season... lol. Look what happened. I expect the same for Ronnie Brown. 10th rated at best... way too much talent ahead of him, especially in PPR leagues

 

[MLBrandow]

The big negative with Ronnie Brown is the idiot OC Mike Mullarkey.If he follows form, he will run trick plays inside the 5 and take Brown out on all 3rd downs and severly underutilize him in the passing game. Just wait till he demands Ronnie to bulk up so he can run betweenthe tackles better.

If you're going to blast him, at least spell his name correctly.Mularkey Offenses:

|---------- PASSING -----------||----- RUSHING -----|  TOTAL 			  CMP  ATT   YD	YPA   TD INT  ATT   YD	YPA  TD	 YD   NFL rank --->  27   28   22	  8   25   3	1	1	 2	3	  3  '01PITNFL rank --->  11   16	8	  6	8  29	3	9	17   15	  4  '02PITNFL rank --->  16   10   13	 17   18  17   17   31	32   23	 22  '03PITNFL rank --->  27   27   27	 22   17  19	9   13	24   12	 24  '04BUFNFL rank --->  26   26   29	 26   20  17   20   20	23   29	 29  '05BUF

He's had three 1000 yard rushers, two top-15 RBs (13 & 9 with McGahee), 40+ receptions to RBs twice (Zereoue in '02-'03)I'd say he would not be the reason that Brown fails, if he does.I assume you're basing some of that hate off of McGahee's being routinely pulled on the goal-line and 3rd downs last year, as well as being told to bulk up because he was below average up the middle.Considering McGahee was only averaging 2.4ypc on 3rd downs, 4/32 on the goal-line, and averaged about a half yard less up the middle versus anywhere else, I can see why.I don't see how he was out of line in any of those decisions, and I also fail to see how they relate to Brown. He has plenty of question marks for this season, but Mularkey at OC is not one of them.When Mularkey was on a winning team, they were top-10 in rushing attempts. Even when he was on a bad team, he still led rushing attacks that stayed top-20. As bad as '03PIT and '05BUF were, to not dip below top-20 is pretty indicative of a guy who is dedicated to running the ball.

 

[Snotbubbles]

This happens every year, a starter leaves, and a promising young back takes over and people completly overrate their stats, it happened to McGahee last year (who was going 4th overall), and it happened to Barlow the year before (was going first round), McGahee had 5 more starts last year than the year before and put up even worse stats last year. Same thing with Barlow, and I would not be suprised to see the same thing to happen to Ronnie Brown

You are ignoring the fact that in both McGahee and Barlow's situation, the overall talent level on theirs teams decreased significantly the following year. McGahee lost Bledsoe and an offensive tackle, plus their defense lost some key players.Barlow lost Garcia and Owens (maybe some other players as well, just going off the top of my head).Brown is actually going into a BETTER situation this season.

 

[nygiants56]

This happens every year, a starter leaves, and a promising young back takes over and people completly overrate their stats, it happened to McGahee last year (who was going 4th overall), and it happened to Barlow the year before (was going first round), McGahee had 5 more starts last year than the year before and put up even worse stats last year. Same thing with Barlow, and I would not be suprised to see the same thing to happen to Ronnie Brown

You are ignoring the fact that in both McGahee and Barlow's situation, the overall talent level on theirs teams decreased significantly the following year. McGahee lost Bledsoe and an offensive tackle, plus their defense lost some key players.Barlow lost Garcia and Owens (maybe some other players as well, just going off the top of my head).Brown is actually going into a BETTER situation this season.

a few to debunk this myth: Shaun Alexander with Ricky Watters leaving ..Marshall Faulk left Indy, and Edge made the Colts forget about him..Tyrone wheatley left NY, how'd Tiki work out ?but what about guys who take the starters' jobs:LJ, Gado...

 

[RedRaiders]

This happens every year, a starter leaves, and a promising young back takes over and people completly overrate their stats, it happened to McGahee last year (who was going 4th overall), and it happened to Barlow the year before (was going first round), McGahee had 5 more starts last year than the year before and put up even worse stats last year. Same thing with Barlow, and I would not be suprised to see the same thing to happen to Ronnie Brown

Yes, because these two didn't work, it's an obvious correlation that Brown won't. Great sample size.Much different situation down in Miami.

 

[Banger]

This happens every year, a starter leaves, and a promising young back takes over and people completly overrate their stats, it happened to McGahee last year (who was going 4th overall), and it happened to Barlow the year before (was going first round), McGahee had 5 more starts last year than the year before and put up even worse stats last year. Same thing with Barlow, and I would not be suprised to see the same thing to happen to Ronnie Brown

You can add Kevin Jones to the mix as well. At least Jones/McGahee had solid 2nd half's (which largely led to their overvaluation) but look at Brown's 2nd half last year against mostly very bad run defenses....9 MIA ATL 12 67 0 10 MIA NE 14 64 0 11 MIA CLE 12 56 012 MIA OAK 15 58 1 13 MIA BUF 9 22 0 14 MIA SD 11 30 0 15 MIA NYJ 12 45 0 17 MIA NE 8 21 0 93 carries for 363 yards (3.9 ypc) not very exciting. I prefer to go with players that have done it as opposed to burning a mid 1st rounder on a guy that could be good. Sometimes I miss the breakout guy (and end up drafting a solid alternative) but more often I miss the bust. He has warning blinking all over him IMO.

 

[MLBrandow]

Yes, because these two didn't work, it's an obvious correlation that Brown won't. Great sample size.Much different situation down in Miami.

Yes, that is exactly my logic.The Brown Paper bag called, your head is missing...

 

[BigRed]

a few to debunk this myth: Shaun Alexander with Ricky Watters leaving ..Marshall Faulk left Indy, and Edge made the Colts forget about him..Tyrone wheatley left NY, how'd Tiki work out ?

Good analogy. FYI I'm no Brown fan - the concern about him carrying the load (both health-wise and production-wise) and their QB situation being shaky (Culpepper sucked before he got hurt and a QB known to do things scrambling coming off that injury don't inspire me) make me shy away and no way am I taking him top 5 - but some of you act like you'd blow him off much later. Given where he's going, ie about mid-1st or so most drafts, who would you take instead? They ALL have ? marks.

 

[MLBrandow]

You think Ronnie Brown fans are still going to blame Mularkey for bad RB production?

I'd be willing to bet it was him that kept telling Brown to stutter step behind the line of scrimmage. *******!

Add: Brown is on pace to shatter the single-season TD record!

 

[GoinDeep]

This isn't an "I told you so" as he scored a couple of nice vulture TD's...but why was everyone so high on this guy? I mean, he may still prove to be the best back in the league, but he's totally unproven. What seperates him from say a Gore or a Rhodes? Pittsburghs D is awesome, I'll give you that....but people are top 6-8 with this guy??? At least Cadillac showed sumthin last year. I wouldn't have taken him above 3rd round. And yes....please mark this to prove me wrong.

 

[PsychoMan]

why not ronnie after the big 3? because rudi is a better pick!

 

[duaneok66]

This isn't an "I told you so" as he scored a couple of nice vulture TD's...but why was everyone so high on this guy? I mean, he may still prove to be the best back in the league, but he's totally unproven. What seperates him from say a Gore or a Rhodes? Pittsburghs D is awesome, I'll give you that....but people are top 6-8 with this guy??? At least Cadillac showed sumthin last year. I wouldn't have taken him above 3rd round. And yes....please mark this to prove me wrong.

because he won't come off the field for "special situations" unless he needs a breather ; that fact, combined with a good passing offense and a good defense allows for fantasy success . . .

 

[dickey moe]

Who else is going to run the ball for the Dolphins?

 

[Limp Ditka]

This isn't an "I told you so" as he scored a couple of nice vulture TD's...but why was everyone so high on this guy? I mean, he may still prove to be the best back in the league, but he's totally unproven. What seperates him from say a Gore or a Rhodes? Pittsburghs D is awesome, I'll give you that....but people are top 6-8 with this guy??? At least Cadillac showed sumthin last year. I wouldn't have taken him above 3rd round. And yes....please mark this to prove me wrong.

Brown has a solid cast around him. Even if Culpepper sucks, you still have to respect the passing game with him under center. Chambers, Booker and McMichael are all quality talents in regards to the rolls they play.He also has no threat to him in terms of touches. He will be on the field all of the time.Gore has a garbage QB running the system and a questionable OL in front of him. Couple that with nothing that causes DCs concerns when it comes to pass catchers.Rhodes is in a RBBC IMO and there's no guarentees that the IND RB1 is going to see the scoring opps that a normal RB1 would see.

 

[jurb26]

This isn't an "I told you so" as he scored a couple of nice vulture TD's...but why was everyone so high on this guy? I mean, he may still prove to be the best back in the league, but he's totally unproven. What seperates him from say a Gore or a Rhodes? Pittsburghs D is awesome, I'll give you that....but people are top 6-8 with this guy??? At least Cadillac showed sumthin last year. I wouldn't have taken him above 3rd round. And yes....please mark this to prove me wrong.

OK, you're wrong. How many fantasy points did he just put up on the Pitt D? This is why people are high on him, plan and simple.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This isn't an "I told you so" as he scored a couple of nice vulture TD's...but why was everyone so high on this guy? I mean, he may still prove to be the best back in the league, but he's totally unproven. What seperates him from say a Gore or a Rhodes? Pittsburghs D is awesome, I'll give you that....but people are top 6-8 with this guy??? At least Cadillac showed sumthin last year. I wouldn't have taken him above 3rd round. And yes....please mark this to prove me wrong.

OK, you're wrong. How many fantasy points did he just put up on the Pitt D? This is why people are high on him, plan and simple.

About 18 Jurb...and this was an off game. He never leaves the field...and just think about the weeks he does get loose. Brown ran hard but there just were not a lot of holes against Pittsburgh...plain and simple.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

240 carries, 480 yds, 32 TDs...I'll take it!

 

[Sinrman]

This isn't an "I told you so" as he scored a couple of nice vulture TD's...but why was everyone so high on this guy? I mean, he may still prove to be the best back in the league, but he's totally unproven. What seperates him from say a Gore or a Rhodes? Pittsburghs D is awesome, I'll give you that....but people are top 6-8 with this guy??? At least Cadillac showed sumthin last year. I wouldn't have taken him above 3rd round. And yes....please mark this to prove me wrong.

1) How did Brown "vulture TDs" when he is the one, and only RB in Miami? 2) He has unbelieveable talent3) What seperates him from certain RBs like Rhodes, is that he's not splitting carries with anyone. He is THE man in Miami4) What seperates him from certain RBs like Gore, is that the offense around him is pretty sound. Defenses can't key in on him like they can Gore and other RBs with no other threats on offense (McGahee also comes to mind)5) He was playing a solid Steeler defense today. Two TDs is a gift. The yards weren't there, but the receptions + receiving/rushing yards + 2 TDs = great night overall. Ugly, but a good sign. Wait until he plays weaker defenses. He'll decimate them

 

[Polyethylene Bag]

His situation is such that he only needs to be an average back to put up some huge numbers in that offense. His schedule is also a cakewalk from here on out.

 

[jurb26]

240 carries, 480 yds, 32 TDs...I'll take it!

Don't forget the 500 yds rec too.

 

[MLBrandow]

because he won't come off the field for "special situations" unless he needs a breather ; that fact, combined with a good passing offense and a good defense allows for fantasy success . . .

Because that would explain these stats from last year :CAT G Rec Yds Avg TDFIRST DOWN 0 119 582 4.9 65 4 15SECOND DOWN 0 69 250 3.6 16 0 14THIRD DOWN 0 18 70 3.9 18 0 11That fact, combined with the fact that Miami's passing offense doesn't play games on paper, and that they have had a very average defense the past few years (15th and 20th).Yea I can see how those claims are legitimized.

 

[Vintage_Football]

I really like Ronnie Brown mid-to-late 1st round. He could potentialy sneak into the top 5 RBs by seasons end. He doesn't have to many carries on him (shared time in college & last season) and is on a strong, young offense with a good coach in Saban. I'm kind of regretting taking Steven Jackson #7 over Ronnie Brown in my intial dynasty draft.

I think you've been a little too much,..Jackson has a WAY better upside to him then Ronnie Brown does,...its too bad that you think that and still get to keep him,...I'm sure that if you went to the guy that got Ronnie Brown with whatever pick that he'd trade you Ronnie straight up for Jackson,..go do that ,...that way you'll be glad you got Ronnie,..and i'm sure he'll be glad some guy gave him Jackson for Brown.

 

[Englishteacher]

come back and comment when they've not just played the Steelers. If you were watching the game he had a solid one. he consistently turned broken plays into positive yardage. In my PPR league he put up 21 AGAINST perhaps the toughest Run D in the league.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Totally Unproven?

207/907/4 rushing (a 4.4 yards per carry average in 2005) and 32/232/1 while sharing time with Ricky Williams last year is a far cry from "Totally Unproven".

His fantasy owners are all hating life with 2 rushing scores and 60+ yards combined against one of the top 5 NFL defenses - aren't they?

C'mon, Brown capitalized on his opportunities and scored 2 TDs against a defense that surrendered exactly 10 rushing scores over 16 games in 2005. I don't see how Browns' performance can possibly be spun as a negative.

It was a solid effort in a hostile stadium against an elite defense on the opening night of the season.

 

[duaneok66]

because he won't come off the field for "special situations" unless he needs a breather ; that fact, combined with a good passing offense and a good defense allows for fantasy success . . .

Because that would explain these stats from last year :CAT G Rec Yds Avg TDFIRST DOWN 0 119 582 4.9 65 4 15SECOND DOWN 0 69 250 3.6 16 0 14THIRD DOWN 0 18 70 3.9 18 0 11That fact, combined with the fact that Miami's passing offense doesn't play games on paper, and that they have had a very average defense the past few years (15th and 20th).Yea I can see how those claims are legitimized.

last year???? I think Williams was on the team last year . . . of course, you left out that "little" important part . . .

 

[Monse]

I got Brown at 10 overall but I would've rather had Rudi!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

240 carries, 480 yds, 32 TDs...I'll take it!

Don't forget the 500 yds rec too.

That's right 48 rec for 500 yds rec too...CPepp was dumping it off a bit. With the 5th pick in the 2006 OMD draft tomorrow night, Ministry of Pain picks...

 

[bostonfred]

Brown got 15 rushes, a ton of goal line love, and caught three balls on the road against a top run defense. He then plays against:

02 vs. Buffalo

03 vs. Tennessee

04 at Houston

05 at New England

06 at NY Jets

07 vs Green Bay

(bye)

09 at Chicago

10 vs KC

11 vs Minnesota

12 at Detroit

13 vs Jacksonville

14 vs New England

15 at Buffalo

16 vs New York Jets

The toughest games remaining are vs Jacksonville (which isn't much of a home game, with all the Jacksonville fans who will attend) and at Chicago. I don't think you can say New England is a top run D vs. a team that runs the ball as much as Miami, because they're just too thin in the front seven. His playoff schedule is great, he gets to play Tenessee who made every running back look great this preseason, and he plays against a bunch of other teams that they should easily beat.

After this game, I'm seriously considering him at 1.4 in WCOFF this weekend. I guess his value is in the eye of the beholder, but I feel like he's one of the top running backs out there this year.

 

[GoinDeep]

Who else is going to run the ball for the Dolphins?

I asked the same thing when I drafted Travis Minor 2 years ago.

 

[tommyGunZ]

because he won't come off the field for "special situations" unless he needs a breather ; that fact, combined with a good passing offense and a good defense allows for fantasy success . . .

Because that would explain these stats from last year :CAT G Rec Yds Avg TDFIRST DOWN 0 119 582 4.9 65 4 15SECOND DOWN 0 69 250 3.6 16 0 14THIRD DOWN 0 18 70 3.9 18 0 11That fact, combined with the fact that Miami's passing offense doesn't play games on paper, and that they have had a very average defense the past few years (15th and 20th).Yea I can see how those claims are legitimized.

uh, there was another RB in Miami last year.

 

[Hellfire Snail]

His situation is such that he only needs to be an average back to put up some huge numbers in that offense. His schedule is also a cakewalk from here on out.

His situation and schedule are about as good as it gets, but I wouldn't be so quick to call his offense "sound". The offensive line has not looked good yet, preseason or here. Defenders are through that line IMMEDIATELY. Culpepper is simply NOT A GOOD QUARTERBACK. He hasn't been since the days of chucking the ball up for grabs to Moss. He is innacurate, indecisive, prone to sacks (stunting drives), prone to fumbles (sacrificing drives). In a nutshell I think the Miami offense is horrendous. But Brown will log a lot of carries and if circumstance leads to goalline situations, he'll be getting the tds as he seems to have a strong presence in the redzone. I also like how he is catching the ball. But his ypc is going to be horrific unless that offensive line gets its act together.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

because he won't come off the field for "special situations" unless he needs a breather ; that fact, combined with a good passing offense and a good defense allows for fantasy success . . .

Because that would explain these stats from last year :CAT G Rec Yds Avg TDFIRST DOWN 0 119 582 4.9 65 4 15SECOND DOWN 0 69 250 3.6 16 0 14THIRD DOWN 0 18 70 3.9 18 0 11That fact, combined with the fact that Miami's passing offense doesn't play games on paper, and that they have had a very average defense the past few years (15th and 20th).Yea I can see how those claims are legitimized.

He split time with Ricky last season...tonight he never came off the field.

 

[jurb26]

C'mon, Brown capitalized on his opportunities and scored 2 TDs against a defense that surrendered exactly 10 rushing scores over 16 games in 2005. I don't see how Browns' performance can possibly be spun as a negative.

Some how though, you're wrong.

 

[oukurt]

Be happy with the 18 points tonight. If the O Line performs like this all year then I am not going to be happy with where I drafted Brown. Some of you can cheerlead all you want for Brown for whatever reasons you choose, but I am considering selling high.

 

[Synthesizer]

I thought he looked GREAT in the passing game tonight. Picked up the blitz, ran nice routes, showed nice hands on his redzone catch. From what I've seen in the preseason and through this one game, it does appear that he lacks the vision and wiggle to become a top-notch back. But for fantasy purposes, he's top 10 this year easy.

 

[Polyethylene Bag]

because he won't come off the field for "special situations" unless he needs a breather ; that fact, combined with a good passing offense and a good defense allows for fantasy success . . .

Because that would explain these stats from last year :CAT G Rec Yds Avg TDFIRST DOWN 0 119 582 4.9 65 4 15SECOND DOWN 0 69 250 3.6 16 0 14THIRD DOWN 0 18 70 3.9 18 0 11That fact, combined with the fact that Miami's passing offense doesn't play games on paper, and that they have had a very average defense the past few years (15th and 20th).Yea I can see how those claims are legitimized.

Last year has no relevance to his situation this year. How many other Dolphin RB's had carries tonight? That's right, zero. Ricky Williams is on a planet far, far away and "small spine" Suggs is not someone Saban wants to rely upon.

 

[MLBrandow]

last year???? I think Williams was on the team last year . . . of course, you left out that "little" important part . . .

Ricky wasn't a factor until midseason. Brown was being pulled routinely all season.I fail to see the corrolation.When Ricky came back, Brown was on the bench a lot more than just 3rd downs.

 

[tommyGunZ]

240 carries, 480 yds, 32 TDs...I'll take it!

Don't forget the 500 yds rec too.

That's right 48 rec for 500 yds rec too...CPepp was dumping it off a bit. With the 5th pick in the 2006 OMD draft tomorrow night, Ministry of Pain picks...

You gotta take him. I took him 4th overall in both of my long time leagues.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Who else is going to run the ball for the Dolphins?

I asked the same thing when I drafted Travis Minor 2 years ago.

Do you even bother paying attention to coaching changes?