Why R. White rated higher than M.Jenkins? (1 Viewer)

[Tillmanisahero]

Maybe I am over analyzing my rankings but looking at FBGs rankings, I am wondering why White is rated ahead of his teammate Jenkins.

 

[wannabee]

many view White as having more upside ... and White had a strong stretch to end the season. I think most view Jenkins as the possession guy and White as the speed/upside guy

 

[Weiner Dog]

With Vick's ability to scramble, White should catch a few "freebie" bombs as the team's #1 deep threat. While I believe Jenkins will end the year with more catches, I think White will have more yardage and probably more TD's.

 

[Magic Man]

White is better.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I guess DeAngelo Hall saying that Michael Jenkins is one of the hardest WR's he's had to cover...means nada, huh?

White is the sexy one to pick, because he had the fresh excuse of being a rookie. People have grown tired of Jenkins, even though he fits the 3rd year WR mold. IF the first pre-season game was any sign of what it is to come this season, you'll get to know Mr. Jenkins and not Mr. White for the ATL box scores. Hmm...

 

[mario8723]

FWIW, White has also been injured these last few weeks as well. I'm not sure if I'm on the Michael Jenkins bandwagon yet, but I do have an eye on it. Did take him late in a draft recently though. Only team I have him on out of 5 leagues.

 

[Biabreakable]

I prefer Jenkins to White.He is a larger target than White is and similar to Finneran who was Vicks favorite target besides Crumpler last year. Jenkins is better than Finneran though and Finneran is injured and out for the year.Falcons Wrs 2005:

+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Romby Bryant | 3 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 || Brian Finneran | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 50 611 12.2 2 || Michael Jenkins | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 36 508 14.1 3 || Jerome Pathon | 8 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 1 18 18.0 0 || Dez White | 6 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 2 25 12.5 1 || Roddy White | 16 | 4 12 3.0 0 | 29 446 15.4 3 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+

Jenkins also has more experience playing with Vick and in this offense than White does.

 

[Tau837]

Previous post on White:

Posted this last month:

Last year, the Falcons attempted 451 passes, and the WRs caught 118. Here was the breakdown:

+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name				 |  G |  RSH  YARD   AVG  TD  |  REC  YARD   AVG  TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Romby Bryant		 |  3 |	0	 0   0.0   0  |	0	 0   0.0   0 || Brian Finneran	   | 16 |	0	 0   0.0   0  |   50   611  12.2   2 || Michael Jenkins	  | 14 |	0	 0   0.0   0  |   36   508  14.1   3 || Jerome Pathon		|  8 |	0	 0   0.0   0  |	1	18  18.0   0 || Dez White			|  6 |	0	 0   0.0   0  |	2	25  12.5   1 || Roddy White		  | 16 |	4	12   3.0   0  |   29   446  15.4   3 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+

Who here thinks Finneran will catch 50 again? I don't. In 2004, he was the #3 receiver with 23 catches, though he did also miss 4 games.Consider targets. Last season, here were the WR targets:Finneran 81Jenkins 71Roddy 68Dez 10Pathon 3Roddy White had only 29 catches last season, but he was targeted often. Clearly he was raw last season, and has potential for significant improvement this season. That could lead both to catching more of his targets and to being targeted more frequently.I could easily see White adding one catch per game, even if WR catches don't increase. That would leave Jenkins & Finneran to split the the other 70 from this trio last year. This would push him to 45 catches. If he maintains his ypc and TD % averages, that would give him a statline like this: 45/693/5Last year, that would have ranked as WR37. I think that qualifies as sleeper material... FBG says his current ADP is WR57.Now, is that the ceiling, either for White or this passing game? No. Add 50 more plays as was discussed earlier and call 20 of them passing plays, which would give Atlanta 471 passing attempts. WRs have caught ~26% of Atlanta's passes over the past two years, so that means a few more catches for the WRs. If White is the leading receiver, that could give him a few more catches.More importantly, is it possible for the WRs to get more passes this season? I think so. In 2002, Vick's best passing year, WRs caught 28.6% of Atlanta's 479 passing attempts. Entering his third year with the same coaching staff & offense, I could see Vick's confidence as improved, plus he is healthy unlike last year. So I could see him looking downfield more. If the WRs could catch 28.6% of 471 passes instead of 26%, that is 135 catches for the WRs, 17 more than last year. Again assuming White is the #1, or at least co-#1, that could be 7-10 more catches for him over the numbers I showed earlier. That could get him to 55/847/6... WR28 last year.Finally, consider his splits from last season:First 8 games: 8/94/0 receiving, with 23 targetsLast 8 games: 21/352/3, with 45 targetsIf he was able to carry his second half performance forward to this year and maintain it all season, that would be 90 targets and 42/704/6, which last season would have ranked as WR35.Looks to me like there is a reasonable chance for White to end up in the WR30-W40 range, and he is currently being drafted far below that. Hence, he would seem to be a good value.

The latest ADP posted at FBG shows him at WR53--very good value there.Also, it is worth noting that, while the average performance of Vick's WR1 hasn't been good, as posted previously in this thread, Finneran posted 56/838/6 and was WR31 in 2002. Not coincidentally, that season was Vick's career high in passing attempts. If his passing attempts go up this year, White could have a surprisingly good year.There are certainly those who have written off Vick and decided he simply isn't capable of improving as a passer. Those people will tend to ignore White. But anyone who thinks Vick still has potential to improve his passing, like I do, should be targeting White.

I posted that before Finneran got hurt. And also before I was aware Crumpler would miss the entire preseason due to recovery from knee surgery.As of 8/10, his ADP was WR49. White = value

 

[diesel7982]

I guess DeAngelo Hall saying that Michael Jenkins is one of the hardest WR's he's had to cover...means nada, huh?

Thats possibly the worst justification of anything. Ever.

 

[NoFBinLA]

I guess DeAngelo Hall Joe Thiesmansaying that Michael Jenkins is one of the hardest WR's he's anyone in the history of football has had to cover...means nada, huh?

Thats possibly the worst justification of anything. Ever.

Fixed it -- THAT would be the worst justification of anything. In fact, anything Theisman says might qualify.

 

[Tau837]

I prefer Jenkins to White.He is a larger target than White is and similar to Finneran who was Vicks favorite target besides Crumpler last year. Jenkins is better than Finneran though and Finneran is injured and out for the year.Falcons Wrs 2005:

+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Romby Bryant | 3 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 || Brian Finneran | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 50 611 12.2 2 || Michael Jenkins | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 36 508 14.1 3 || Jerome Pathon | 8 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 1 18 18.0 0 || Dez White | 6 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 2 25 12.5 1 || Roddy White | 16 | 4 12 3.0 0 | 29 446 15.4 3 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+

Jenkins also has more experience playing with Vick and in this offense than White does.

Last 8 games of last year:Roddy - 45 targets, 21/352/3 receiving, 16.8 ypcFinneran - 42 targets, 23/281/0 receiving, 12.2 ypcJenkins - 37 targets, 21/259/2 receiving, 12.3 ypcObviously, Finneran is out, so he's not a factor. But I don't see any evidence that Jenkins having more experience in the offense will give him an edge. It seems that it took White about half a season to adjust, which is understandable for a rookie. Jenkins didn't have that excuse, since he was in his second year. I see absolutely no evidence to favor Jenkins over White.

 

[Biabreakable]

Jenkins missed some time due to injury last year IIRC. He did miss 2 games.

Also because of similar size/style of Jenkins/Finneran and Jenkins injury Jenkins did not get the same opportunity in 2 Wr sets. The both play the same Wr position? I am not certain about this though and did not see many falcons games last year.

I think Jenkins was going to beat out Finneran this year even if he wasn't injured. And those targets Finneran had last year may be more likely to go to Jenkins than to White.

 

[ditka311]

I will take "It doesn't matter what WR's they have in Atlanta until they get a QB" for $400, Alex.

 

[Da Guru]

Vick is a WR destroyer!

 

[Sweetness_34]

I prefer Jenkins to White.

He is a larger target than White is and similar to Finneran who was Vicks favorite target besides Crumpler last year. Jenkins is better than Finneran though and Finneran is injured and out for the year.

Any time you are talking about Vick, larger target is a good thing

 

[Bob_Magaw]

i like white & jenkins long term but vick could hold them back unless the light goes on...

this year i think they will be similar with maybe slight edge to white...

there is a perception that jenkins is not that fast but he was on ohio state 4 X 100 relay...

he was also an incredible athlete as a FL prep...

he has good size & outstanding hands...

 

[Tau837]

I took Jenkins over White rencently in a keeper league draft. I just feel they are close and I like Jenkin's red zone threat more. I also think Jenkins in his 3rd year is ready to breakout if Vick can get him the ball. White is good too and it's probaly just a jump ball really, however in a jumpball I want the guy whos bigger and has better hands in my book. Jenkins is a better route runner that's forsure at least in my opinion. White has the burner speed and alot of heart so flip a coin. I guess I'm a OSU homer as well and have seen alot of Jenkins in the past. Jenkins started slow at OSU as well, but man when he started to click his Junior year(3rd) year in the offense he really got fire.

Last year in the red zone:White - 7 targets, 6/71/2 receiving

Jenkins - 5 targets, 4/43/3 receiving

 

[Tau837]

Jenkins missed some time due to injury last year IIRC. He did miss 2 games.

Also because of similar size/style of Jenkins/Finneran and Jenkins injury Jenkins did not get the same opportunity in 2 Wr sets. The both play the same Wr position? I am not certain about this though and did not see many falcons games last year.

I think Jenkins was going to beat out Finneran this year even if he wasn't injured. And those targets Finneran had last year may be more likely to go to Jenkins than to White.

I don't disagree, but all that means is he would be starting. That doesn't mean he would be WR1.

 

[Bri]

Jenkins was good last preseason. Just something to keep in mind

 

[CA_7]

There was also some very positive offseason reports about Roddy. Yes most of this stuff is to be expected but you know he is not going the route of Michael Clayton. Roddy also missed a lot of the season early on and his 2nd half was fairly impressive for a rookie.

Wide receiver Roddy White has added at least five pounds in upper-body muscle. White has morphed into a chiseled slab in just a few months, a sign that he is serious about taking his game to the next level. He said last season he didn’t have the strength to always get off a jam from a cornerback. He was by far the most physically impressive player I saw – granted, I didn’t see every player because some were not working out at the time I was there.

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-bl...ason_worko.htmlThere were also reports he spent parts of the offseason doing drills with Vick but I can not locate a link.