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Right now, I think his projections are for less than 900 yards receiving. Why such a low projection?
alligator armsFragilitybad attitudeterrible work ethicsense of entitlementand 3 years of draining any hope for the Lions from my psyche....Finally, maybe the people doing the projections know a stinker when they smell one...PeaceRight now, I think his projections are for less than 900 yards receiving. Why such a low projection?
Go to the Roy Williams Spotlight. Lots of good commentary. Many posters are seeing a breakthrough year, disagreeing with the Staff's projections.I said in that thread that I feel DAL will run the ball more and pass less. Losing TO is a big blow to their offense. They passed about 540 times last year.....I expect it to be closer to 500. Witten will get at least 125 targets, 100 targets should go to the RBs Barber, F Jones and Choice. Leaves at most 275 targets to be split among the DAL WRs and backup TE.....I can't see Roy getting more than 125 of those targets......at a 55% catch ratio, I can see only 60-68 receptions, for about 900 yards.When Roy had his breakthrough year in 2006, DET passed about 600 times, with Roy getting about 150 targets. While he's on a better team, his situation to produce fantasy numbers actually got worse, IMO.Right now, I think his projections are for less than 900 yards receiving. Why such a low projection?
94.7 career passer rating...yeah, that guy sucks. Your boy Tom has produced a passer rating at +92.6 only once (1)...it's a fantasy football poast...focus on the stats and not the Enquirer.The answer to the post is Dallas will be spreading the ball around. Three (3) RB's that can catch and two (2) really good TE's will take away from the WR targets. Plus Roy is a half-### route runner.Bold prediction:Marty B will lead this team in REC TD's in 2009...guy looks to be a monster in the red zone.Both him and Romo are overrated. That's a start.
Detroit did not have a pro-bowl TE and a great pass-catching backfield. There will be less targets for Roy in this offense.Quick point about Detroit's Martz era passing vs. Dallas' passing: Detroit had more attempts, but barely more yards and significantly FEWER passing TDs. Dallas' passing game has been significantly more efficient and has produced better overall fantasy numbers than Martz's Detroit teams.Food for thought.Plenty of good points for and against Roy.
THIS.I only like him if he drops to me in the 5th; otherwise, avoiding him.His one BIG year was when Martz was in town, and scrubs like Furrey and McDonald put up career numbers too. I don't think he's that good.
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Truer words have never been spoken.They could have had Boldin for that and he is twice the reciever Roy ever dreamed of being.
Can anyone explain to me why people always type "THIS"? I don't get it and maybe I'm better off that way, but I'd still like to know.I see it all over this board.SeniorVBDStudent said:THIS.I only like him if he drops to me in the 5th; otherwise, avoiding him.PahtyTom said:His one BIG year was when Martz was in town, and scrubs like Furrey and McDonald put up career numbers too. I don't think he's that good.
That would be one of the good points against Roy.Detroit also did not have a pro bowl QB. That would be one of the points for Roy.puckalicious said:Detroit did not have a pro-bowl TE and a great pass-catching backfield. There will be less targets for Roy in this offense.Lott said:Quick point about Detroit's Martz era passing vs. Dallas' passing: Detroit had more attempts, but barely more yards and significantly FEWER passing TDs. Dallas' passing game has been significantly more efficient and has produced better overall fantasy numbers than Martz's Detroit teams.Food for thought.Plenty of good points for and against Roy.
Can you say hater? Jesus dude, tell us how you really feel.Sweetness_34 said:Romo will get exposed for being the over-rated, over-hyped garbage that he is without TO.
Roy Williams has only played in 16 games once in five years. Roy Williams has had one good season in five years.Last year, he played in 15 games and had roughly 400 yards and 2 TD's. This is not good by any stretch.You are comparing him to Terrell Owens above who is one of the best WR's of all time. This is laughable. Roy Williams is not good. You should compare him to Patrick Crayton or some other 4th Tier NFL wide receiver.Here is my post from the Williams spotlight. Let me say that I will not likely draft him in the top 20 WRs due to the various risks already stated, but this is a sterile analysis based solely on numbers....** ** ** ** ** ** **First, some Owens stats:Owens' targets per game, 2006-2008: 9.4, 9.4, 8.75 (9.19 total)Owens' targets per game, 2006-2008, w/out Romo (8.5 games): 8.59Owens' targets per game, 2006-2008, with Romo (38.5 games): 9.32His catch percentage in Dallas with Romo throwing to him: 55%His catch percentage with other QBs throwing to him: 49.3%Owens' career yards per catch without Romo: 14.58Owens' career yards per catch with Romo: 15.81First glance conclusion: Romo is better than the other QBs and Owens benefitted.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Now, some Roy Williams stats:Targets per game, 2004-2007: 8.1, 7.23, 9.6, 8.7 (8.45 average)2004 catch percentage: 47.4%2005 catch percentage: 47.9%2006 catch percentage: 53.6%2007 catch percentage: 60.6%2004-2005: The Joey Harrington, et al, experiment = bad catch %. (47.6%)2006-2007: The Jon Kitna Revival = decent to good catch %. (56.4% average)First glance conclusion: Kitna was better than Harrington, et al, and Roy Williams benefitted.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Facts and mitigating factors to consider:2006-2007 in Detroit was Mad Mike Martz era, so Detroit's passing attempts were inflated. However, Detroit averaged about 4200 yards and 20 TDs in 06-07, while Dallas has averaged 4100 yards and 30 TDs from 06-08. So Dallas was much more efficient, achieving similar passing yards with significantly more passing TDs.While Kitna was better than Harrington, Romo is almost certainly better than Kitna. If the premise that a better QB will help their WRs is true, then Roy would seem to be in a position to improve.Possibly working against Dallas' passing game: TO helped the whole passing attack with his on-field ability and by taking coverage away from the other players. Also, Dallas has a good, deep RB corps and may look to run more than in the past. While this is a real possibility, it is still just speculation. Dallas is unlikely to become a Baltimore Ravens clone.The average pass attempts in the NFL last year was 514. Dallas has averaged 528 over the last 3 seasons, about 2.7% above the 2008 average. In the 3 seasons before TO and Romo, Dallas averaged 506 pass attempts. It would seem unlikely that Dallas in in line for a significant reduction in pass attempts.Detroit had 74 passing TDs from 04-07 (19, 15, 21, 19), an average of 18.5 per year. 7 of those came when Roy was not playing. So, Roy caught 28 out of 67 TDs when he played from 04-07, about 41.79% of them.Dallas had 91 passing TDs from 06-08. Owens caught 38 in that span, about 41.75% of them.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~So... more numbers and assumptions.Roy caught 56.4% of his catches with Kitna as his QB. Romo is a 63.6% career passer, Kitna a 59.8% career passer and 62.2% with Detroit. Is it unreasonable to say that Roy Williams will have a similar catch% with Romo that he had with Kitna? I think that is reasonable.Romo and Dallas has been significantly more efficient in the passing game than Detroit, even in the Martz years. Dallas has had 12.56 yards per completion from 06-08, Detroit had 11.38 yards per completion in 06-07. Detroit had 7.12 yards per attempt, Dallas had 7.77 yards per attempt. So, we have established that Dallas has been more efficient in their passing game than Detroit.Dallas is unlikely to fall off a cliff in their pass attempts. They averaged 506 in 3 year without Romo/TO, 528 in 3 season with them. The likely 2009 total will fall in that range.TO had better numbers under Romo than under other QBs in Dallas.Roy had better numbers under Kitna than othe QBs in Detroit.Romo is better than Kitna.Ergo, Roy should be at least a little more productive than he was in Detroit in a more efficient passing offense with a better QB. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Finally....Roy's targets per game in Detroit 04-07, taking the good and the bad: 8.45Owens' targets with Romo: 9.32Let's assume 8.5 targets per game for Roy and a 56% catch% he had with Kitna. That gives us 4.76 catches per game. Roy's ypc from 04-07 is 14.96, his career ypc is 14.6.4.76 * 14.6 = 69.5 yards per game = 1112 yards in 16 gamesFor reference, if we assume 53.6% catch % (the low with Kitna) and 8.5 targets/g, we get 66.5 yards per game = 73 catches and 1064 yards in 16 games.That is his career average targets/g, his career average YPC even with last season, and his catch % with Kitna, an inferior QB than Romo.How about TDs?Roy caught about 42% of Detroit's passing Tds from 04-07. TO caught the same percentage in Dallas.Roy has 28 TDs in 55 games from 04-07, or .51 TD/g. TDs are hard to predict, but this seems like a reasonable number to use.Let's give Dallas 26 TDs, their lowest amount from 06-08. Roy has averaged 8 Tds per 16 games, but 42% of his team's passing TDs.... 42% of 26 = 11 TDs. 8 TDs would be 30-31% of 26 TDs. I don't think it is unreasonable for him to be in the middle somewhere, especially since we are assuming 26 TDs instead of Dallas' 3 year average of 30.33.So, on a 16 game projection, we end up with:between 73 and 76 catches for 1064 - 1112 yards and 8ish TDs. That is good for 154 - 159 fantasy points... WR 12/13 last year.These are with low end numbers. If you assume 6 TDs (his low from 04-07 is 5 in 12 games) and 1064 yards, he still is WR19. What if Roy stays healthy and, GASP, improves his numbers with a better QB/team????~~~~~~~~~~~~~Projections:74 catches, 1090 yards, 7 TDsgood for WR12-14, with upside (and injury downside)
This would be a dream year for Roy Williams. It is a statistical improbability given the fact that he is not that good and the Cowboy's have about 3 other better weapons.between 73 and 76 catches for 1064 - 1112 yards and 8ish TDs. That is good for 154 - 159 fantasy points... WR 12/13 last year.
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I agree that they probably could have had Boldin at that price but at the time Boldin was not available. I think Jones pulled the trigger quickly for overrated talent and sure got the short end of the stick. He should have waited. I do not think that Williams will be very great. Other receivers have changed teams mid-season- remember when Chambers went to San Diego. He was very good for them down the stretch in 2007 even though he did not go through training camp with Rivers. I think Williams is simply just a dud- although better than Charles Rogers or Mike WilliamsShort answer:He's not good at Professional Football.How did the Cowboys pay a first and a third for this waste of space? They could have had Boldin for that and he is twice the reciever Roy ever dreamed of being. Worst trade the Cowboys have made since the one for Galloway.Roy Williams high end is 900 yards and 5 TD's. He is at the top of the list of players who will likely underperform their ADP. Avoid him at all costs.
Maybe he counted 36 in 2008 and zero (with upside) in 2009Yitbos69 said:He had 63 in 2007 and 36 in 2008......joffer said:36 catches the last two years combined![]()
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Roy routinely made "holy ####" plays like that in practice with the Lions. But for whatever reason, it rarely translated to the field on gameday. His talent is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.LHUCKS said:I think some people are missing the eyeball test...you watch the guy and he just appears mediocre. You see a guy like Desean Jackson and you think "holy ####...that dude is a playmker."
I don't think they realized '08 is listed twice, '08 in DET and '08 in DAL.Yitbos69 said:He had 63 in 2007 and 36 in 2008......joffer said:36 catches the last two years combined![]()
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True, I think the guy just got paid and became content. Guys like T.O., Jerry Rice, Randy Moss...they're never content, they want to be the best ever...Roy doesn't have that fire and probably never will.Roy routinely made "holy ####" plays like that in practice with the Lions. But for whatever reason, it rarely translated to the field on gameday. His talent is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.LHUCKS said:I think some people are missing the eyeball test...you watch the guy and he just appears mediocre. You see a guy like Desean Jackson and you think "holy ####...that dude is a playmker."
Guess we're gonna over look his taking off plays in Oakland and last year in a Vikings uniform where he was easily predictable in terms of if the play was going to him.True, I think the guy just got paid and became content. Guys like T.O., Jerry Rice, Randy Moss...they're never content, they want to be the best ever...Roy doesn't have that fire and probably never will.Roy routinely made "holy ####" plays like that in practice with the Lions. But for whatever reason, it rarely translated to the field on gameday. His talent is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.LHUCKS said:I think some people are missing the eyeball test...you watch the guy and he just appears mediocre.
You see a guy like Desean Jackson and you think "holy ####...that dude is a playmker."
Randy's talent has always over lapped his work ethic.. I wouldn't dare put him in cat. with TO and Rice in terms of hard worker because its not even close. If he worked as hard as he should along with his talent he'd have been best WR ever.. but he's not.
That is one outstanding post Lott's FTLott said:Here is my post from the Williams spotlight. Let me say that I will not likely draft him in the top 20 WRs due to the various risks already stated, but this is a sterile analysis based solely on numbers....

think i was drunk when i posted that. meant to say 36 catches last year with two teams combined.I don't think they realized '08 is listed twice, '08 in DET and '08 in DAL.Yitbos69 said:He had 63 in 2007 and 36 in 2008......joffer said:36 catches the last two years combined![]()
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I don't think they realized '08 is listed twice, '08 in DET and '08 in DAL.Yitbos69 said:He had 63 in 2007 and 36 in 2008......joffer said:36 catches the last two years combined![]()
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That's the other problem with Roy. He's lost some of his game speed not just in Madden but on the field as well. He definitely doesn't run a 4.4 anymore and Megatron was blowing by him in Lions practices last year. I could understand if he was a 30+ year old WR but he's only 27. Again there is just something not right with this guy. It's a mystery why he hasn't accomplished more in his career at this point and the only explanation is that he's not as talented or as driven as the game requires.Roy Williams-WR- Cowboys Aug. 27 - 10:23 am et Roy E. Williams is displeased that he was given an 86 out of 100 speed rating on EA Sports' Madden 2010.Williams ran sub-4.4 coming out of Texas in 2004. "They go off (last) year, but geez Louise, 86 speed? That's like tight-end speed, like I'm a slowpoke." The rating is a bit ridiculous, as is the media's obsession with Williams replacing Terrell Owens. Few seem to care that Anthony Gonzalez is replacing Marvin Harrison in Indianapolis, or that Laurent Robinson is succeeding Torry Holt![]()
whats scary is i believe that he's the best ever. if he worked hard, i think the world would have exploded.Guess we're gonna over look his taking off plays in Oakland and last year in a Vikings uniform where he was easily predictable in terms of if the play was going to him.True, I think the guy just got paid and became content. Guys like T.O., Jerry Rice, Randy Moss...they're never content, they want to be the best ever...Roy doesn't have that fire and probably never will.Roy routinely made "holy ####" plays like that in practice with the Lions. But for whatever reason, it rarely translated to the field on gameday. His talent is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.LHUCKS said:I think some people are missing the eyeball test...you watch the guy and he just appears mediocre.
You see a guy like Desean Jackson and you think "holy ####...that dude is a playmker."Randy's talent has always over lapped his work ethic.. I wouldn't dare put him in cat. with TO and Rice in terms of hard worker because its not even close. If he worked as hard as he should along with his talent he'd have been best WR ever.. but he's not.
It's calledThat's the other problem with Roy. He's lost some of his game speed not just in Madden but on the field as well. He definitely doesn't run a 4.4 anymore and Megatron was blowing by him in Lions practices last year. I could understand if he was a 30+ year old WR but he's only 27. Again there is just something not right with this guy. It's a mystery why he hasn't accomplished more in his career at this point and the only explanation is that he's not as talented or as driven as the game requires.Roy Williams-WR- Cowboys Aug. 27 - 10:23 am et
Roy E. Williams is displeased that he was given an 86 out of 100 speed rating on EA Sports' Madden 2010.
Williams ran sub-4.4 coming out of Texas in 2004. "They go off (last) year, but geez Louise, 86 speed? That's like tight-end speed, like I'm a slowpoke." The rating is a bit ridiculous, as is the media's obsession with Williams replacing Terrell Owens. Few seem to care that Anthony Gonzalez is replacing Marvin Harrison in Indianapolis, or that Laurent Robinson is succeeding Torry Holt
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I think Riddick Bowe said it best.