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Why such low projectons for Roy Williams? (1 Viewer)

Durability over the span of his career, 40% completion rate last year for Romo-to-RoY, perception Dallas will be primarily a running team, lack of established WR on the other side...et al.

 
Right now, I think his projections are for less than 900 yards receiving. Why such a low projection?
alligator armsFragilitybad attitudeterrible work ethicsense of entitlementand 3 years of draining any hope for the Lions from my psyche....Finally, maybe the people doing the projections know a stinker when they smell one...Peace
 
Dallas has a lot of weapons. They have 2 TEs, 4 WRs, and 2 RBs that are all expected to be involved. That's 8 guys who will catch passes regularly. You figure Witten gets 80+ catches. Roy gets maybe 65. Then the rest (Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Barber, Felix, Bennett) will all probably get between 20 and 50 catches.

65 catches at 13.5 YPC (his approximate average the last couple of years) and you have 878 yards for the season.

 
Roy and Crayton will have closer numbers than a lot of people can imagine.

Roy: 50-65 receptions tops, 750-850 yds, 5-6TDs...maybe less.

PC: 45/650/5TD

 
I don't know what's up. Remember Roy before Calvin hit the scene in Detroit? He was considered a stud. Last year? I swear that looked like an imposter. In any event, the fact that Romo/Roy had plenty of time to get acclimated down the stretch and didn't get better is concerning. I'm not down on Romo. In fact, I like him a lot this year. I just think it will be spread around. If Roy doesn't catch a thing there will be enough options with Witten, Crayton, Austin, Hurd, RB's, etc. But I doubt I'll draft Roy unless he really drops, and guys with "names" rarely do.

 
His one BIG year was when Martz was in town, and scrubs like Furrey and McDonald put up career numbers too. I don't think he's that good.

 
Now that the staff have moved Devin Hester up from the WR50s to his current average projection of WR33, which matches his long-standing ADP of WR34, Roy Williams is the biggest disconnect between the draft market and staff rankings.

Current staff ranking for Williams: WR25

Current consensus ADP: WR16

 
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Right now, I think his projections are for less than 900 yards receiving. Why such a low projection?
Go to the Roy Williams Spotlight. Lots of good commentary. Many posters are seeing a breakthrough year, disagreeing with the Staff's projections.I said in that thread that I feel DAL will run the ball more and pass less. Losing TO is a big blow to their offense. They passed about 540 times last year.....I expect it to be closer to 500. Witten will get at least 125 targets, 100 targets should go to the RBs Barber, F Jones and Choice. Leaves at most 275 targets to be split among the DAL WRs and backup TE.....I can't see Roy getting more than 125 of those targets......at a 55% catch ratio, I can see only 60-68 receptions, for about 900 yards.When Roy had his breakthrough year in 2006, DET passed about 600 times, with Roy getting about 150 targets. While he's on a better team, his situation to produce fantasy numbers actually got worse, IMO.
 
Quick point about Detroit's Martz era passing vs. Dallas' passing: Detroit had more attempts, but barely more yards and significantly FEWER passing TDs. Dallas' passing game has been significantly more efficient and has produced better overall fantasy numbers than Martz's Detroit teams.

Food for thought.

Plenty of good points for and against Roy.

 
Both him and Romo are overrated. That's a start.
94.7 career passer rating...yeah, that guy sucks. Your boy Tom has produced a passer rating at +92.6 only once (1)...it's a fantasy football poast...focus on the stats and not the Enquirer.The answer to the post is Dallas will be spreading the ball around. Three (3) RB's that can catch and two (2) really good TE's will take away from the WR targets. Plus Roy is a half-### route runner.Bold prediction:Marty B will lead this team in REC TD's in 2009...guy looks to be a monster in the red zone.
 
Quick point about Detroit's Martz era passing vs. Dallas' passing: Detroit had more attempts, but barely more yards and significantly FEWER passing TDs. Dallas' passing game has been significantly more efficient and has produced better overall fantasy numbers than Martz's Detroit teams.Food for thought.Plenty of good points for and against Roy.
Detroit did not have a pro-bowl TE and a great pass-catching backfield. There will be less targets for Roy in this offense.
 
I may be mistaken, but i think that Roy differs from TO in a lot of ways in terms of spreading the defense which created a ton of room for Witten. I happen to think that now it will be Witten who will create open spaces for Roy. I think statistical arguments will pay less dividends in Dallas offense this year. Personally i would draft Roy as a top 20 and would not draft Witten as a top 3.

 
Dallas will spread the ball around. I don't think Roy Williams will get many of the touchdown looks either. They will go more with their two very good TE's or Barber. He also looks like a future problem child with his bad attitude.

 
Short answer:

He's not good at Professional Football.

How did the Cowboys pay a first and a third for this waste of space? They could have had Boldin for that and he is twice the reciever Roy ever dreamed of being. Worst trade the Cowboys have made since the one for Galloway.

Roy Williams high end is 900 yards and 5 TD's. He is at the top of the list of players who will likely underperform their ADP. Avoid him at all costs.

 
Unless there is a suspension or serious injury, Roy Williams has enough physical talent that will keep him a lock to be a top 25 fantasy WR this year. Potential to be top 10 because of Dallas's dynamic offense. Aside from Witten being your possession receiver between the 20's with a few TD's on the season, Williams should be the #1 passing option downfield, highest yardage on team of the WR's and also for TD catches. The other WR's in Dallas are just support guys. Agree that he has a well noted bad work ethic and attitude issues (but then again don't a majority of the prima-dona WR's in the NFL....TO, Moss, Burress, etc. etc....).

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
PahtyTom said:
His one BIG year was when Martz was in town, and scrubs like Furrey and McDonald put up career numbers too. I don't think he's that good.
THIS.I only like him if he drops to me in the 5th; otherwise, avoiding him.
Can anyone explain to me why people always type "THIS"? I don't get it and maybe I'm better off that way, but I'd still like to know.I see it all over this board.
 
puckalicious said:
Lott said:
Quick point about Detroit's Martz era passing vs. Dallas' passing: Detroit had more attempts, but barely more yards and significantly FEWER passing TDs. Dallas' passing game has been significantly more efficient and has produced better overall fantasy numbers than Martz's Detroit teams.Food for thought.Plenty of good points for and against Roy.
Detroit did not have a pro-bowl TE and a great pass-catching backfield. There will be less targets for Roy in this offense.
That would be one of the good points against Roy.Detroit also did not have a pro bowl QB. That would be one of the points for Roy.
 
Here is my post from the Williams spotlight. Let me say that I will not likely draft him in the top 20 WRs due to the various risks already stated, but this is a sterile analysis based solely on numbers....

** ** ** ** ** ** **

First, some Owens stats:

Owens' targets per game, 2006-2008: 9.4, 9.4, 8.75 (9.19 total)

Owens' targets per game, 2006-2008, w/out Romo (8.5 games): 8.59

Owens' targets per game, 2006-2008, with Romo (38.5 games): 9.32

His catch percentage in Dallas with Romo throwing to him: 55%

His catch percentage with other QBs throwing to him: 49.3%

Owens' career yards per catch without Romo: 14.58

Owens' career yards per catch with Romo: 15.81

First glance conclusion: Romo is better than the other QBs and Owens benefitted.

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Now, some Roy Williams stats:

Targets per game, 2004-2007: 8.1, 7.23, 9.6, 8.7 (8.45 average)

2004 catch percentage: 47.4%

2005 catch percentage: 47.9%

2006 catch percentage: 53.6%

2007 catch percentage: 60.6%

2004-2005: The Joey Harrington, et al, experiment = bad catch %. (47.6%)

2006-2007: The Jon Kitna Revival = decent to good catch %. (56.4% average)

First glance conclusion: Kitna was better than Harrington, et al, and Roy Williams benefitted.

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Facts and mitigating factors to consider:

2006-2007 in Detroit was Mad Mike Martz era, so Detroit's passing attempts were inflated. However, Detroit averaged about 4200 yards and 20 TDs in 06-07, while Dallas has averaged 4100 yards and 30 TDs from 06-08. So Dallas was much more efficient, achieving similar passing yards with significantly more passing TDs.

While Kitna was better than Harrington, Romo is almost certainly better than Kitna. If the premise that a better QB will help their WRs is true, then Roy would seem to be in a position to improve.

Possibly working against Dallas' passing game: TO helped the whole passing attack with his on-field ability and by taking coverage away from the other players. Also, Dallas has a good, deep RB corps and may look to run more than in the past. While this is a real possibility, it is still just speculation. Dallas is unlikely to become a Baltimore Ravens clone.

The average pass attempts in the NFL last year was 514. Dallas has averaged 528 over the last 3 seasons, about 2.7% above the 2008 average. In the 3 seasons before TO and Romo, Dallas averaged 506 pass attempts. It would seem unlikely that Dallas in in line for a significant reduction in pass attempts.

Detroit had 74 passing TDs from 04-07 (19, 15, 21, 19), an average of 18.5 per year. 7 of those came when Roy was not playing. So, Roy caught 28 out of 67 TDs when he played from 04-07, about 41.79% of them.

Dallas had 91 passing TDs from 06-08. Owens caught 38 in that span, about 41.75% of them.

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So... more numbers and assumptions.

Roy caught 56.4% of his catches with Kitna as his QB. Romo is a 63.6% career passer, Kitna a 59.8% career passer and 62.2% with Detroit. Is it unreasonable to say that Roy Williams will have a similar catch% with Romo that he had with Kitna? I think that is reasonable.

Romo and Dallas has been significantly more efficient in the passing game than Detroit, even in the Martz years. Dallas has had 12.56 yards per completion from 06-08, Detroit had 11.38 yards per completion in 06-07. Detroit had 7.12 yards per attempt, Dallas had 7.77 yards per attempt.

So, we have established that Dallas has been more efficient in their passing game than Detroit.

Dallas is unlikely to fall off a cliff in their pass attempts. They averaged 506 in 3 year without Romo/TO, 528 in 3 season with them. The likely 2009 total will fall in that range.

TO had better numbers under Romo than under other QBs in Dallas.

Roy had better numbers under Kitna than othe QBs in Detroit.

Romo is better than Kitna.

Ergo, Roy should be at least a little more productive than he was in Detroit in a more efficient passing offense with a better QB.

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Finally....

Roy's targets per game in Detroit 04-07, taking the good and the bad: 8.45

Owens' targets with Romo: 9.32

Let's assume 8.5 targets per game for Roy and a 56% catch% he had with Kitna. That gives us 4.76 catches per game. Roy's ypc from 04-07 is 14.96, his career ypc is 14.6.

4.76 * 14.6 = 69.5 yards per game = 1112 yards in 16 games

For reference, if we assume 53.6% catch % (the low with Kitna) and 8.5 targets/g, we get 66.5 yards per game = 73 catches and 1064 yards in 16 games.

That is his career average targets/g, his career average YPC even with last season, and his catch % with Kitna, an inferior QB than Romo.

How about TDs?

Roy caught about 42% of Detroit's passing Tds from 04-07. TO caught the same percentage in Dallas.

Roy has 28 TDs in 55 games from 04-07, or .51 TD/g. TDs are hard to predict, but this seems like a reasonable number to use.

Let's give Dallas 26 TDs, their lowest amount from 06-08. Roy has averaged 8 Tds per 16 games, but 42% of his team's passing TDs.... 42% of 26 = 11 TDs. 8 TDs would be 30-31% of 26 TDs. I don't think it is unreasonable for him to be in the middle somewhere, especially since we are assuming 26 TDs instead of Dallas' 3 year average of 30.33.

So, on a 16 game projection, we end up with:

between 73 and 76 catches for 1064 - 1112 yards and 8ish TDs. That is good for 154 - 159 fantasy points... WR 12/13 last year.

These are with low end numbers. If you assume 6 TDs (his low from 04-07 is 5 in 12 games) and 1064 yards, he still is WR19.

What if Roy stays healthy and, GASP, improves his numbers with a better QB/team????

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Projections:

74 catches, 1090 yards, 7 TDs

good for WR12-14, with upside (and injury downside)

 
Here is my post from the Williams spotlight. Let me say that I will not likely draft him in the top 20 WRs due to the various risks already stated, but this is a sterile analysis based solely on numbers....** ** ** ** ** ** **First, some Owens stats:Owens' targets per game, 2006-2008: 9.4, 9.4, 8.75 (9.19 total)Owens' targets per game, 2006-2008, w/out Romo (8.5 games): 8.59Owens' targets per game, 2006-2008, with Romo (38.5 games): 9.32His catch percentage in Dallas with Romo throwing to him: 55%His catch percentage with other QBs throwing to him: 49.3%Owens' career yards per catch without Romo: 14.58Owens' career yards per catch with Romo: 15.81First glance conclusion: Romo is better than the other QBs and Owens benefitted.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Now, some Roy Williams stats:Targets per game, 2004-2007: 8.1, 7.23, 9.6, 8.7 (8.45 average)2004 catch percentage: 47.4%2005 catch percentage: 47.9%2006 catch percentage: 53.6%2007 catch percentage: 60.6%2004-2005: The Joey Harrington, et al, experiment = bad catch %. (47.6%)2006-2007: The Jon Kitna Revival = decent to good catch %. (56.4% average)First glance conclusion: Kitna was better than Harrington, et al, and Roy Williams benefitted.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Facts and mitigating factors to consider:2006-2007 in Detroit was Mad Mike Martz era, so Detroit's passing attempts were inflated. However, Detroit averaged about 4200 yards and 20 TDs in 06-07, while Dallas has averaged 4100 yards and 30 TDs from 06-08. So Dallas was much more efficient, achieving similar passing yards with significantly more passing TDs.While Kitna was better than Harrington, Romo is almost certainly better than Kitna. If the premise that a better QB will help their WRs is true, then Roy would seem to be in a position to improve.Possibly working against Dallas' passing game: TO helped the whole passing attack with his on-field ability and by taking coverage away from the other players. Also, Dallas has a good, deep RB corps and may look to run more than in the past. While this is a real possibility, it is still just speculation. Dallas is unlikely to become a Baltimore Ravens clone.The average pass attempts in the NFL last year was 514. Dallas has averaged 528 over the last 3 seasons, about 2.7% above the 2008 average. In the 3 seasons before TO and Romo, Dallas averaged 506 pass attempts. It would seem unlikely that Dallas in in line for a significant reduction in pass attempts.Detroit had 74 passing TDs from 04-07 (19, 15, 21, 19), an average of 18.5 per year. 7 of those came when Roy was not playing. So, Roy caught 28 out of 67 TDs when he played from 04-07, about 41.79% of them.Dallas had 91 passing TDs from 06-08. Owens caught 38 in that span, about 41.75% of them.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~So... more numbers and assumptions.Roy caught 56.4% of his catches with Kitna as his QB. Romo is a 63.6% career passer, Kitna a 59.8% career passer and 62.2% with Detroit. Is it unreasonable to say that Roy Williams will have a similar catch% with Romo that he had with Kitna? I think that is reasonable.Romo and Dallas has been significantly more efficient in the passing game than Detroit, even in the Martz years. Dallas has had 12.56 yards per completion from 06-08, Detroit had 11.38 yards per completion in 06-07. Detroit had 7.12 yards per attempt, Dallas had 7.77 yards per attempt. So, we have established that Dallas has been more efficient in their passing game than Detroit.Dallas is unlikely to fall off a cliff in their pass attempts. They averaged 506 in 3 year without Romo/TO, 528 in 3 season with them. The likely 2009 total will fall in that range.TO had better numbers under Romo than under other QBs in Dallas.Roy had better numbers under Kitna than othe QBs in Detroit.Romo is better than Kitna.Ergo, Roy should be at least a little more productive than he was in Detroit in a more efficient passing offense with a better QB. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Finally....Roy's targets per game in Detroit 04-07, taking the good and the bad: 8.45Owens' targets with Romo: 9.32Let's assume 8.5 targets per game for Roy and a 56% catch% he had with Kitna. That gives us 4.76 catches per game. Roy's ypc from 04-07 is 14.96, his career ypc is 14.6.4.76 * 14.6 = 69.5 yards per game = 1112 yards in 16 gamesFor reference, if we assume 53.6% catch % (the low with Kitna) and 8.5 targets/g, we get 66.5 yards per game = 73 catches and 1064 yards in 16 games.That is his career average targets/g, his career average YPC even with last season, and his catch % with Kitna, an inferior QB than Romo.How about TDs?Roy caught about 42% of Detroit's passing Tds from 04-07. TO caught the same percentage in Dallas.Roy has 28 TDs in 55 games from 04-07, or .51 TD/g. TDs are hard to predict, but this seems like a reasonable number to use.Let's give Dallas 26 TDs, their lowest amount from 06-08. Roy has averaged 8 Tds per 16 games, but 42% of his team's passing TDs.... 42% of 26 = 11 TDs. 8 TDs would be 30-31% of 26 TDs. I don't think it is unreasonable for him to be in the middle somewhere, especially since we are assuming 26 TDs instead of Dallas' 3 year average of 30.33.So, on a 16 game projection, we end up with:between 73 and 76 catches for 1064 - 1112 yards and 8ish TDs. That is good for 154 - 159 fantasy points... WR 12/13 last year.These are with low end numbers. If you assume 6 TDs (his low from 04-07 is 5 in 12 games) and 1064 yards, he still is WR19. What if Roy stays healthy and, GASP, improves his numbers with a better QB/team????~~~~~~~~~~~~~Projections:74 catches, 1090 yards, 7 TDsgood for WR12-14, with upside (and injury downside)
Roy Williams has only played in 16 games once in five years. Roy Williams has had one good season in five years.Last year, he played in 15 games and had roughly 400 yards and 2 TD's. This is not good by any stretch.You are comparing him to Terrell Owens above who is one of the best WR's of all time. This is laughable. Roy Williams is not good. You should compare him to Patrick Crayton or some other 4th Tier NFL wide receiver.
between 73 and 76 catches for 1064 - 1112 yards and 8ish TDs. That is good for 154 - 159 fantasy points... WR 12/13 last year.
This would be a dream year for Roy Williams. It is a statistical improbability given the fact that he is not that good and the Cowboy's have about 3 other better weapons.
 
It's almost like a Braylon Edwards situation except at least BE gets open on a proper route before dropping the pass.

 
I think Williams is a good pick where he is going but I wouldn't reach for him. If he stays healthy he's very likely to hit those numbers, and he definitely has some upside (which I don't personally think he will make, but you never know). I like guys like that down the draftboard IF they fall to me.

 
I think some people are missing the eyeball test...you watch the guy and he just appears mediocre.

You see a guy like Desean Jackson and you think "holy ####...that dude is a playmker."

 
Short answer:He's not good at Professional Football.How did the Cowboys pay a first and a third for this waste of space? They could have had Boldin for that and he is twice the reciever Roy ever dreamed of being. Worst trade the Cowboys have made since the one for Galloway.Roy Williams high end is 900 yards and 5 TD's. He is at the top of the list of players who will likely underperform their ADP. Avoid him at all costs.
I agree that they probably could have had Boldin at that price but at the time Boldin was not available. I think Jones pulled the trigger quickly for overrated talent and sure got the short end of the stick. He should have waited. I do not think that Williams will be very great. Other receivers have changed teams mid-season- remember when Chambers went to San Diego. He was very good for them down the stretch in 2007 even though he did not go through training camp with Rivers. I think Williams is simply just a dud- although better than Charles Rogers or Mike Williams
 
LHUCKS said:
I think some people are missing the eyeball test...you watch the guy and he just appears mediocre. You see a guy like Desean Jackson and you think "holy ####...that dude is a playmker."
Roy routinely made "holy ####" plays like that in practice with the Lions. But for whatever reason, it rarely translated to the field on gameday. His talent is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.
 
LHUCKS said:
I think some people are missing the eyeball test...you watch the guy and he just appears mediocre. You see a guy like Desean Jackson and you think "holy ####...that dude is a playmker."
Roy routinely made "holy ####" plays like that in practice with the Lions. But for whatever reason, it rarely translated to the field on gameday. His talent is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.
True, I think the guy just got paid and became content. Guys like T.O., Jerry Rice, Randy Moss...they're never content, they want to be the best ever...Roy doesn't have that fire and probably never will.
 
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LHUCKS said:
I think some people are missing the eyeball test...you watch the guy and he just appears mediocre.

You see a guy like Desean Jackson and you think "holy ####...that dude is a playmker."
Roy routinely made "holy ####" plays like that in practice with the Lions. But for whatever reason, it rarely translated to the field on gameday. His talent is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.
True, I think the guy just got paid and became content. Guys like T.O., Jerry Rice, Randy Moss...they're never content, they want to be the best ever...Roy doesn't have that fire and probably never will.
Guess we're gonna over look his taking off plays in Oakland and last year in a Vikings uniform where he was easily predictable in terms of if the play was going to him. :goodposting: Randy's talent has always over lapped his work ethic.. I wouldn't dare put him in cat. with TO and Rice in terms of hard worker because its not even close. If he worked as hard as he should along with his talent he'd have been best WR ever.. but he's not.

 
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Roy Williams-WR- Cowboys Aug. 27 - 10:23 am et

Roy E. Williams is displeased that he was given an 86 out of 100 speed rating on EA Sports' Madden 2010.

Williams ran sub-4.4 coming out of Texas in 2004. "They go off (last) year, but geez Louise, 86 speed? That's like tight-end speed, like I'm a slowpoke." The rating is a bit ridiculous, as is the media's obsession with Williams replacing Terrell Owens. Few seem to care that Anthony Gonzalez is replacing Marvin Harrison in Indianapolis, or that Laurent Robinson is succeeding Torry Holt

:bowtie:

 
"Right now, I think his projections are for less than 900 yards receiving. Why such a low projection? "

Ummm. Because we've seen him 'play'...

 
Lott said:
Here is my post from the Williams spotlight. Let me say that I will not likely draft him in the top 20 WRs due to the various risks already stated, but this is a sterile analysis based solely on numbers....
That is one outstanding post Lott's FT :goodposting: :goodposting: :goodposting:
 
Roy Williams-WR- Cowboys Aug. 27 - 10:23 am et Roy E. Williams is displeased that he was given an 86 out of 100 speed rating on EA Sports' Madden 2010.Williams ran sub-4.4 coming out of Texas in 2004. "They go off (last) year, but geez Louise, 86 speed? That's like tight-end speed, like I'm a slowpoke." The rating is a bit ridiculous, as is the media's obsession with Williams replacing Terrell Owens. Few seem to care that Anthony Gonzalez is replacing Marvin Harrison in Indianapolis, or that Laurent Robinson is succeeding Torry Holt :unsure:
That's the other problem with Roy. He's lost some of his game speed not just in Madden but on the field as well. He definitely doesn't run a 4.4 anymore and Megatron was blowing by him in Lions practices last year. I could understand if he was a 30+ year old WR but he's only 27. Again there is just something not right with this guy. It's a mystery why he hasn't accomplished more in his career at this point and the only explanation is that he's not as talented or as driven as the game requires.
 
LHUCKS said:
I think some people are missing the eyeball test...you watch the guy and he just appears mediocre.

You see a guy like Desean Jackson and you think "holy ####...that dude is a playmker."
Roy routinely made "holy ####" plays like that in practice with the Lions. But for whatever reason, it rarely translated to the field on gameday. His talent is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.
True, I think the guy just got paid and became content. Guys like T.O., Jerry Rice, Randy Moss...they're never content, they want to be the best ever...Roy doesn't have that fire and probably never will.
Guess we're gonna over look his taking off plays in Oakland and last year in a Vikings uniform where he was easily predictable in terms of if the play was going to him. :moneybag: Randy's talent has always over lapped his work ethic.. I wouldn't dare put him in cat. with TO and Rice in terms of hard worker because its not even close. If he worked as hard as he should along with his talent he'd have been best WR ever.. but he's not.
whats scary is i believe that he's the best ever. if he worked hard, i think the world would have exploded.
 
Roy Williams-WR- Cowboys Aug. 27 - 10:23 am et

Roy E. Williams is displeased that he was given an 86 out of 100 speed rating on EA Sports' Madden 2010.

Williams ran sub-4.4 coming out of Texas in 2004. "They go off (last) year, but geez Louise, 86 speed? That's like tight-end speed, like I'm a slowpoke." The rating is a bit ridiculous, as is the media's obsession with Williams replacing Terrell Owens. Few seem to care that Anthony Gonzalez is replacing Marvin Harrison in Indianapolis, or that Laurent Robinson is succeeding Torry Holt

:lmao:
That's the other problem with Roy. He's lost some of his game speed not just in Madden but on the field as well. He definitely doesn't run a 4.4 anymore and Megatron was blowing by him in Lions practices last year. I could understand if he was a 30+ year old WR but he's only 27. Again there is just something not right with this guy. It's a mystery why he hasn't accomplished more in his career at this point and the only explanation is that he's not as talented or as driven as the game requires.
It's called :moneybag: I think Riddick Bowe said it best.

"It's hard to get up and run at 4am when you wake up in silk sheets."

I love football, but I gotta admit, it I have 10 mil+ in the bank, hell if I'm running suicides in 100 degree weather with a helmet on, then getting hit by 300+ lbers.

Valentine, another martini please! :finishesdrinkwithpinkyintheair:

 
He's a dog, a physically gifted dog. Played all 16 games of a season once in his career, never had double-digit touchdowns in a season, only topped 900 receiving yards once during a year with Mad Mike Martz throwing every play. He's had chances to produce and hasn't to this point. It's about time the projections match the reality. He may be the Cowboys' most talented receiver, but is that saying much at this point in time? I can't wait for someone in my league to draft this guy and save me the trouble. Hell, Bennett might get more touchdown receptions this season.

 

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