Why wasn't Holmes penalized for using the ball as a prop (1 Viewer)

[Ice Cream Man]

Someone asked whether going to the ground is a penalty during the celebration.

It is.

The only exception is to go down on one knee for prayer.

 

[Irish]

Mike Pierra on NFL Network stated that what Holmes did with the football should have been called a penalty. He said that because it happened so late after the TD that the refs were busy spotting the ball and did not see that part of the celebration.

 

[Yenrub]

Mike Pierra on NFL Network stated that what Holmes did with the football should have been called a penalty. He said that because it happened so late after the TD that the refs were busy spotting the ball and did not see that part of the celebration.

He also said that the replay official did review the last play and got the call right but that he probably should have called down for a review given the situation

 

[Sheriff66]

I have no dog in this fight. Couldn't care less.

But -- I do not think that was a fumble at all. Also, it was not reviewed. McCauley is the only one that can review it in the little peep show. I think it was inexcusable to not review it.

Yes, it was reviewed, enough already.

2) It was booth reviewed and not sent to the officials.

Only viable option. They already stated it was reviewed and they concluded with call on the field.

Thus by rule... no stoppage of play and no instant replay.

It was not reviewed.The booth does not review. The booth only signals to the ref to review when inside 2:00. The chief is the only one that reviews and he does it on the field.

There is not another answer.

You are wrongThe Kurt Warner fumble with five seconds to go actually was reviewed -- and upheld. There is no question that, cosmetically, replay assistant Bob McGrath, sitting upstairs, should have called for a booth review and let Terry McAulay see the play down on the field. But understand the mechanics of the way this process works -- and understand the process was aided by a penalty call on the field.

When the ball was knocked loose from Warner and the Steelers recovered, an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty was called on LaMarr Woodley for excessive celebration. So now, in the replay booth, McGrath had extra time, well over a minute, to use the touch-screen system of examining replays of the play. I don't know how many McGrath saw; he had 16 angles to choose from, and he used the extra time -- not only the time that comes with a change of possession and a re-spotting of the ball and a new play clock commencing, but now a discussion among the officials of the penalty and the spot of the penalty and walking off the penalty.

McGrath had around 90 seconds from the time of the loose ball to examine the replays to see if McAulay needed to examine the call himself -- and McGrath judged, and was later backed by the league, that officials on the field made the correct judgment that Warner fumbled before his arm started going forward. I agree that it was close. Very close. I wish McGrath had given McAulay a look. But I don't believe McGrath made the wrong call.

As far as overall officiating, 20 penalties (18 accepted ones, for 162 yards) is a lot. I thought the Karlos Dansby roughness call on Roethlisberger was patently absurd, and that was a big call in the game. I saw a ticky-tack holding call. But overall, other than those two, I thought the officials called penalties when there were penalties.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

I have no dog in this fight. Couldn't care less.

But -- I do not think that was a fumble at all. Also, it was not reviewed. McCauley is the only one that can review it in the little peep show. I think it was inexcusable to not review it.

Yes, it was reviewed, enough already.

2) It was booth reviewed and not sent to the officials.

Only viable option. They already stated it was reviewed and they concluded with call on the field.

Thus by rule... no stoppage of play and no instant replay.

It was not reviewed.The booth does not review. The booth only signals to the ref to review when inside 2:00. The chief is the only one that reviews and he does it on the field.

There is not another answer.

You are wrongThe Kurt Warner fumble with five seconds to go actually was reviewed -- and upheld. There is no question that, cosmetically, replay assistant Bob McGrath, sitting upstairs, should have called for a booth review and let Terry McAulay see the play down on the field. But understand the mechanics of the way this process works -- and understand the process was aided by a penalty call on the field.

When the ball was knocked loose from Warner and the Steelers recovered, an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty was called on LaMarr Woodley for excessive celebration. So now, in the replay booth, McGrath had extra time, well over a minute, to use the touch-screen system of examining replays of the play. I don't know how many McGrath saw; he had 16 angles to choose from, and he used the extra time -- not only the time that comes with a change of possession and a re-spotting of the ball and a new play clock commencing, but now a discussion among the officials of the penalty and the spot of the penalty and walking off the penalty.

McGrath had around 90 seconds from the time of the loose ball to examine the replays to see if McAulay needed to examine the call himself -- and McGrath judged, and was later backed by the league, that officials on the field made the correct judgment that Warner fumbled before his arm started going forward. I agree that it was close. Very close. I wish McGrath had given McAulay a look. But I don't believe McGrath made the wrong call.

As far as overall officiating, 20 penalties (18 accepted ones, for 162 yards) is a lot. I thought the Karlos Dansby roughness call on Roethlisberger was patently absurd, and that was a big call in the game. I saw a ticky-tack holding call. But overall, other than those two, I thought the officials called penalties when there were penalties.

I'm not wrong. That is NFY CYA bull**it. The only review is on the field. In the booth, all they decide is IF it should be reviewed on the field.

 

[Sheriff66]

I have no dog in this fight. Couldn't care less.

But -- I do not think that was a fumble at all. Also, it was not reviewed. McCauley is the only one that can review it in the little peep show. I think it was inexcusable to not review it.

Yes, it was reviewed, enough already.

2) It was booth reviewed and not sent to the officials.

Only viable option. They already stated it was reviewed and they concluded with call on the field.

Thus by rule... no stoppage of play and no instant replay.

It was not reviewed.The booth does not review. The booth only signals to the ref to review when inside 2:00. The chief is the only one that reviews and he does it on the field.

There is not another answer.

You are wrongThe Kurt Warner fumble with five seconds to go actually was reviewed -- and upheld. There is no question that, cosmetically, replay assistant Bob McGrath, sitting upstairs, should have called for a booth review and let Terry McAulay see the play down on the field. But understand the mechanics of the way this process works -- and understand the process was aided by a penalty call on the field.

When the ball was knocked loose from Warner and the Steelers recovered, an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty was called on LaMarr Woodley for excessive celebration. So now, in the replay booth, McGrath had extra time, well over a minute, to use the touch-screen system of examining replays of the play. I don't know how many McGrath saw; he had 16 angles to choose from, and he used the extra time -- not only the time that comes with a change of possession and a re-spotting of the ball and a new play clock commencing, but now a discussion among the officials of the penalty and the spot of the penalty and walking off the penalty.

McGrath had around 90 seconds from the time of the loose ball to examine the replays to see if McAulay needed to examine the call himself -- and McGrath judged, and was later backed by the league, that officials on the field made the correct judgment that Warner fumbled before his arm started going forward. I agree that it was close. Very close. I wish McGrath had given McAulay a look. But I don't believe McGrath made the wrong call.

As far as overall officiating, 20 penalties (18 accepted ones, for 162 yards) is a lot. I thought the Karlos Dansby roughness call on Roethlisberger was patently absurd, and that was a big call in the game. I saw a ticky-tack holding call. But overall, other than those two, I thought the officials called penalties when there were penalties.

I'm not wrong. That is NFY CYA bull**it. The only review is on the field. In the booth, all they decide is IF it should be reviewed on the field.

Not only are you wrong, you're delusional.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Santonio pays homage to LeBron

without a doubt thats a Foul, and yes it would of helped the cards in a huge way to get those 15 yds; Breaston or Arrington may of had a great kick off return.

 

[Ghost Rider]

McGrath had around 90 seconds from the time of the loose ball to examine the replays to see if McAulay needed to examine the call himself

Not true. I went back and watched it, and from the time the play ended where the Steelers recovered the fumble to when Roethlisberger snapped the ball for the kneel down was 75 seconds. Considering most reviews take several minutes, are you telling me that could have looked at every possible angle in that short amount of time? No way. Do I think it would have been reversed? Probably not, but it deserved a better and longer look, especially since a lot of people, including TV analysts, thought it was close enough to possibly have been ruled an incompletion. That is the point.

 

[greenroom]

I have no dog in this fight. Couldn't care less.But -- I do not think that was a fumble at all. Also, it was not reviewed. McCauley is the only one that can review it in the little peep show. I think it was inexcusable to not review it.

Yes, it was reviewed, enough already.

The play was not reviewed. The booth confirmed the call, but that is not a review which is done by the ref. They should of reviewed the play. Had they came back and said that the play stands after reviewing it. Most of us with a gripe for them not reviewing it would have no grips.

 

[Sheriff66]

McGrath had around 90 seconds from the time of the loose ball to examine the replays to see if McAulay needed to examine the call himself

Not true. I went back and watched it, and from the time the play ended where the Steelers recovered the fumble to when Roethlisberger snapped the ball for the kneel down was 75 seconds. Considering most reviews take several minutes, are you telling me that could have looked at every possible angle in that short amount of time? No way. Do I think it would have been reversed? Probably not, but it deserved a better and longer look, especially since a lot of people, including TV analysts, thought it was close enough to possibly have been ruled an incompletion. That is the point.

My point is the rule isn't that the Ref on the field is the only one that can review it, the booth can and did, and decided that that it was conculsive enough that they didn't need to send it to the ref. WOMI is claiming that that is not the rule, and he's so delusional that even when presented with evidence, he claims conspiracy. He's wrong, peroid, and it was reviewed. The ball was moving before his hand went forward, fumble, end of story. THE RIGHT CALL WAS MADE

 

[Sheriff66]

I have no dog in this fight. Couldn't care less.But -- I do not think that was a fumble at all. Also, it was not reviewed. McCauley is the only one that can review it in the little peep show. I think it was inexcusable to not review it.

Yes, it was reviewed, enough already.

The play was not reviewed. The booth confirmed the call, but that is not a review which is done by the ref. They should of reviewed the play. Had they came back and said that the play stands after reviewing it. Most of us with a gripe for them not reviewing it would have no grips.

HOLY S##T, are you people that dumb?McGrath had around 90 seconds from the time of the loose ball to examine the replays to see if McAulay needed to examine the call himself -- and McGrath judged, and was later backed by the league, that officials on the field made the correct judgment that Warner fumbled before his arm started going forward

 

[Godsbrother]

I am a Steeler Fan and was expecting a review on that play. My best guess is the booth review person took a look at it closely while the teams were changing sides and determined in that time the play was a fumble recovered by Pgh. Why stop the game when you've already taken a close look and determined the outcome.Santonio's LeBron tribute looked pre-planned and penalty worthy to me. VERY FOOLISH HOLMES!!! If the refs saw it, they probably should have thrown a flag. My best guess is that it was so long after the TD, that the refs were off getting ready for the extra point. SH sat on the ground holding the ball for a long time before getting up to do his thing. That is the kind of play that could turn the Super Bowl MVP into the goat if AZ would have won the game.

This pretty much summarizes my opinion on both plays. #1 was called a fumble on the field and then was looked at again by the replay booth and they agreed with the call on the field. No reason to look at it again on the field. I really am not sure what the outrage is for.#2 The celebration should have been called a penalty although it may have happened long enough after the actual play was over that it was completely missed by the officiating crew. At that time several officials where off to the replay area (why do they always take 3 offficials when only 1 actually views the replays) and the other officials were setting up for the extrapoint. I'm also not sure where exactly Holmes was when he did the idiotic celebration so that may have been a factor. In any case it was dumb thing for Holmes to do.

 

[3C's]

I am a Steeler Fan and was expecting a review on that play. My best guess is the booth review person took a look at it closely while the teams were changing sides and determined in that time the play was a fumble recovered by Pgh. Why stop the game when you've already taken a close look and determined the outcome.Santonio's LeBron tribute looked pre-planned and penalty worthy to me. VERY FOOLISH HOLMES!!! If the refs saw it, they probably should have thrown a flag. My best guess is that it was so long after the TD, that the refs were off getting ready for the extra point. SH sat on the ground holding the ball for a long time before getting up to do his thing. That is the kind of play that could turn the Super Bowl MVP into the goat if AZ would have won the game.

This pretty much summarizes my opinion on both plays. #1 was called a fumble on the field and then was looked at again by the replay booth and they agreed with the call on the field. No reason to look at it again on the field. I really am not sure what the outrage is for.#2 The celebration should have been called a penalty although it may have happened long enough after the actual play was over that it was completely missed by the officiating crew. At that time several officials where off to the replay area (why do they always take 3 offficials when only 1 actually views the replays) and the other officials were setting up for the extrapoint. I'm also not sure where exactly Holmes was when he did the idiotic celebration so that may have been a factor. In any case it was dumb thing for Holmes to do.

He was in the endzone and the officials did not see him.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Last night on NFL Live (ESPN) they mentioned another non-penalty that should have been called. On Warner's first fumble (that was eventually ruled an incomplete pass) he took off his helmet on the field and protested the call. No penalty was called but should have been.

 

[B Will]

Answer. See thread... Will ref's be waving Terrible Towels at the game tonight. Horrible Game imo

 

[crowe1130]

So, just to recap:

1) Santonio would have been flagged for using the ball as a prop if the officials had seen it. He did so well after the play ended, so they were busy with a review and with spotting the ball for the extra point. They didn't see what he did. It was a dumb move on Holmes' part, but the refs didn't "let it slide" because of the magnitude of the play. They just didn't see it.

As a side note (and in no way defending the incident), it's a stupid rule.

2) Officials on the field called the Cards' final offensive play a fumble. The replay booth official reviewed it, determined the call on the field was correct, and therefore did not buzz the referee to stop play and take a second look. The replay booth official's job is to do that review and make the determination about whether or not there is any question about the call. He is part of the officiating crew, and did what he was supposed to do. You can question his decision, but the system worked the way it was supposed to.

Most importantly, the call was correct.

All good now?

 

[3C's]

So, just to recap:

1) Santonio would have been flagged for using the ball as a prop if the officials had seen it. He did so well after the play ended, so they were busy with a review and with spotting the ball for the extra point. They didn't see what he did. It was a dumb move on Holmes' part, but the refs didn't "let it slide" because of the magnitude of the play. They just didn't see it.

As a side note (and in no way defending the incident), it's a stupid rule.

2) Officials on the field called the Cards' final offensive play a fumble. The replay booth official reviewed it, determined the call on the field was correct, and therefore did not buzz the referee to stop play and take a second look. The replay booth official's job is to do that review and make the determination about whether or not there is any question about the call. He is part of the officiating crew, and did what he was supposed to do. You can question his decision, but the system worked the way it was supposed to.

Most importantly, the call was correct.

All good now?

Of course not! You kidding?!

 

[Sheriff66]

Answer. See thread... Will ref's be waving Terrible Towels at the game tonight. Horrible Game imo

Nice sig

 

[Sheriff66]

So, just to recap:

1) Santonio would have been flagged for using the ball as a prop if the officials had seen it. He did so well after the play ended, so they were busy with a review and with spotting the ball for the extra point. They didn't see what he did. It was a dumb move on Holmes' part, but the refs didn't "let it slide" because of the magnitude of the play. They just didn't see it.

As a side note (and in no way defending the incident), it's a stupid rule.

2) Officials on the field called the Cards' final offensive play a fumble. The replay booth official reviewed it, determined the call on the field was correct, and therefore did not buzz the referee to stop play and take a second look. The replay booth official's job is to do that review and make the determination about whether or not there is any question about the call. He is part of the officiating crew, and did what he was supposed to do. You can question his decision, but the system worked the way it was supposed to.

Most importantly, the call was correct.

All good now?

Sounds about right

 

[Godsbrother]

Answer. See thread... Will ref's be waving Terrible Towels at the game tonight. Horrible Game imo

Every story on the Super Bowl that I read in print and every TV news program that I watched on Monday were of the opinion it was among the best, if not the best, Super Bowls of all time. Sorry you didn't enjoy it.

 

[3C's]

Answer. See thread... Will ref's be waving Terrible Towels at the game tonight. Horrible Game imo

Every story on the Super Bowl that I read in print and every TV news program that I watched on Monday were of the opinion it was among the best, if not the best, Super Bowls of all time. Sorry you didn't enjoy it.

From: Ohioenough said

 

[Jake22]

Answer. See thread... Will ref's be waving Terrible Towels at the game tonight. Horrible Game imo

Every story on the Super Bowl that I read in print and every TV news program that I watched on Monday were of the opinion it was among the best, if not the best, Super Bowls of all time. Sorry you didn't enjoy it.

From: Ohioenough said

I'm from Ohio too and loved it...I've lived in Cleveland my whole life and I LOVE wearing my Steeler gear around town because I know it bothers SOOOOOO many people here...my whole family is originally from Pa. so that's how I became a Steeler fan back in 1972 and will never change no matter where i live.

 

[Jon_Moore]

I think he got away with it because of the timing. Everyone was more concerned with was he in or out--just didn't seem like they cared about the celebration.

Still, as a basketball/football fan, loved it!