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Jeff Pasquino

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First of all, take these all with a grain of salt.

Secondly, these are for educational purposes only.

Third - I think it is a major mistake to try and predict all games.

My ranking system is based on "Stars", which gauges how strongly I feel about each pick.



Week 17 was not so hot once again, as 2-3 isn't a strong finish. Still, 80-64-2 on the regular season (55.6%, or 5 out of every 9) is a decent average. That's all history though and it won't help you this week. So what do I think for the first four playoff games?

First of all, I will break a rule and PICK all of the games - but I won't STAR all of them. Several will want my opinion on all of the games, so I'll give them - but that doesn't mean that a friendly wager on the outcome is a great idea. So - each game will have two picks (spread and over/under) but some won't get rated for a play. Yep, a change in format...

Here we go:

SATURDAY - Atlanta Falcons at Arizona Cardinals

Current Lines: Atlanta +1, Over/Under 50.5

This game has "Shootout" written all over it. Arizona will WANT to run, believe it or not, but once Matt Ryan hits Roddy White for a TD and Michael Turner scores as well it will be a steep climb for Arizona to keep up and the track meet will be on. Boldin, Fitzgerald and Breaston will have five catches each and 75 or more yards as Kurt Warner throws for 300 yards, but it won't be enough. Atlanta will win in a shootout 34-27.

Picks: Atlanta +1 (2 stars)

Over 50.5 (2 stars)

SATURDAY - Indianapolis Colts at San Diego Chargers

Current Lines: Indy -1, Over/Under 49.5 to 50.5

So many ways to look at this one, and that's what concerning to me. The Colts are red hot, but they took Week 17 off and it is questionable if they will be able to just step in and crank up the offense again. The defense is the bigger concern as Bob Sanders is far from 100% and the LBs are make-shift without Gary Brackett. That's not a good combo to stop the run. Colts fans may not have to fear Antonio Gates who may not be active, but Tomlinson may not be the scariest RB in gold and blue. Look out for Darren Sproles to continue his free agency audition for 2009 as he tries to push his team into the next round. As for the other side of the ball, Philip Rivers is pissed off about most everything - Denver, Jay Cutler, not making the Pro Bowl - but he's checked all of those boxes (except the Pro Bowl, but he'll go in Favre's absence). Regardless, he has to step up and use Vincent Jackson and Sproles effectively because his defense has struggled against the pass - not good news for a team staring at Peyton Manning. The good news for SD is that the Colts are patching their offensive line with several backups, so that may be enough for the Chargers to steal this game.

On the surface you can point to the Colts' victory over the Chargers 23-20 in Week 12. So much has happened in six weeks since then that it is hardly a fair comparison. I honestly see this game going to either side, but the Chargers may hold the slight advantage. I think the Colts can do it, but I'm not confident at all in this selection. No stars on either side. I'll say the Chargers 30-27, but I could see the game 21-20 or 23-21 either way - which is hardly a good play in either direction. Just sit back and watch this one.



Picks: Chargers +1 (0 stars)

Over 49.5 (0 stars)

SUNDAY - Baltimore Ravens at Miami Dolphins

Current Lines: Baltimore -3, Over/Under 37.5 to 38

This one is pretty sweet. Baltimore is consistently underrated this year (don't believe me? check their record against the spread this year - 12-4 - tied with the Giants and Steelers for first). That's a strong confirmation of what I've believed all year - that the Ravens are underrated and underappreciated for what they've done week after week this season. This week continues that trend as I cannot for the life of me find a matchup that favors Miami. Maybe you could say their placekicker, but he's unproven. He has a bigger leg than Stover, but no real playoff experience. Kick returner? Maybe. Ginn is explosive, but Baltimore is darn good on coverage. The only advantages I'd give them on the skill levels would be at tailback, TE and QB - which sounds like a landslide, until you factor in the Baltimore defense which should knock all three down several pegs. These two got together in Week 7, which is a lifetime ago yet you have to like Baltimore winning 27-13. In that game Chad Pennington nearly topped 300 yards but Miami couldn't run the ball. McGahee and Mason blasted them with 105 and 87 yards each and a TD - and remember that Ray Lewis and McGahee have strong Miami ties.

Now - forget all that. Tell me how Miami wins this game. Tell me how they get 17 points - I just don't see it. Devone Bess is the X factor here as the Dolphins really weren't using him back in October and Camarillo is now out. The Wildcat is not going to matter against an inspired Baltimore defense and Flacco won't be rattled. McGahee and McClain will get 35-40 combined touches and Ray Rice will also give it a go for 5-10 more. That'll be the difference as I see Baltimore dominating both sides of the ball. It may not be pretty as I expect Chad Pennington to make it competitive, but if the Ravens start to pressure him and force some turnovers this could get away from Miami in a hurry. I think it is a 10 point win for Baltimore, 20-10. You would think I'd like the under here, but I really don't. I could see Chad getting a TD or two and Flacco having to answer, which would put it as a 31-20 type game, but I really don't see the Ravens dropping this one.



Picks: Baltimore -3 (3 Stars)

Under 38 (0 stars)

SUNDAY - Philadelphia Eagles at Minnesota Vikings

Current Lines: Philly -3, Over/Under 41 to 41.5

This one is certainly striking a chord with the Shark Pool this week as it is the biggest pre-game thread, and with good reason. This could be one of the most entertaining games and it features two marquee running backs in the NFL and in the fantasy football world. Adrian Peterson plays his first postseason game while Brian Westbrook returns to the playoffs once again. Both players will factor in heavily into the gameplan for both clubs, but they won't be the entire deciding factors. The Eagles run defense vs. Peterson will be the matchup that everyone wants to see, but the real story could be how they do against the short passes to TE Vishante Shiancoe and also Chester Taylor. The young Philly linebackers will be tested as Akeem Jordan and Stewart Bradley will be pushed to perform at a very high level.

For Minnesota, I expect that Williams Wall to be only at 50% at best as I don't think Pat will play. That's a blow to the Vikings despite how the Eagles look on paper for the full season. Guess what - over the course of the past four victories for Philadelphia, they've run almost as much as they have thrown the ball. If Pat is out expect the Eagles to return to that mixture and call at least 15 rushing plays in the first half as they work the ball to both Westbrook and Correll Buckhalter. That dedication to the ground game, regardless of the effectiveness in moving the ball on its own, should open up passing lanes for Kevin Curtis and Jason Avant. Avant and Hank Baskett (who had a cup of coffee with Childress' Vikings after the 2007 draft) could be sleeper plays along with TE Brent Celek. McNabb has played inspired football since being benched, and the defense has stepped up as well.

If Philadelphia plays like they have of late (aside from the abysmal Washington performance), this game should be Philadelphia's to lose - which they should not. If they played 10 times, I expect the Eagles to win six or seven of those - but the problem is that this is a best of one series. Anything could happen, so I'm going with the 60-70% odds of Philly winning. I believe that the Eagles will know Brad Childress more than he thinks and that the advantage lies with Andy Reid and Jim Johnson, not the other way around. Philadelphia 27, Minnesota 20. If the Eagles defense steps up even more, it could be 27-13, which hurts the Over / Under so I'm passing on that one.

And yes, I like the Eagles as my favorite team, wich as most Philadelphia fans know makes it painfully hard to pick them.



Picks: Eagles -3 (2 stars)

Over 41 (0 stars)

SUMMARY:

ZERO STAR GAMES (NO PICK)

Chargers +1 (0 stars)

Chargers / Colts - Over 49.5 (0 stars)

Baltimore / Miami - Under 38 (0 stars)

Eagles / Vikings - Over 41 (0 stars)



*ONE STAR GAMES*

NONE.

**TWO STAR GAMES**



Atlanta +1 (2 stars)

Atlanta / Arizona - Over 50.5 (2 stars)

Eagles -3 (2 stars)



***THREE STAR GAMES***



Baltimore -3 (3 Stars)

Good luck this week, and remember that if you are tempting fate and actually wagering on these games to bet with your head and not over it.

Enjoy the games.

Lastly, the record:

Week 1 - Didn't post a thread.

Week 2 - Record:4-3-1. (A tad charitable on the push, but the line moved from 3.5 to 3 on CAR/CHI).

Week 3 - Record: 1-2.

Week 4 - Record: 4-3.

Week 5 - Record: 4-2.

Week 6 - Record: 2-3.

Week 7 - Record: 5-8.

Week 8 - Record: 4-5.

Week 9 - Record: 7-3.

Week 10 - Record: 7-3.

Week 11 - Record: 6-4.

Week 12 - Record: 4-4.

Week 13 - Part 1 - Record: 1-0.

Week 13 - Part 2 - Record: 10-0-1.

Week 14 - Record: 10-6.

Week 15 – Record: 4-8.

Week 16 - Record: 5-7.

Week 17 - Record: 2-3.

Overall: 80-64-2.
 
i didn't know the line on the arizona/atlanta game had swung in the other direction. didn't it open with atlanta @ -1

i'd have a lot of trouble picking a rookie QB over a super bowl winning QB

 
i didn't know the line on the arizona/atlanta game had swung in the other direction. didn't it open with atlanta @ -1

i'd have a lot of trouble picking a rookie QB over a super bowl winning QB
They're moving with the game tomorrow. Must be getting a lot of late $ coming in.I use this as my primary source:

VegasInsider.com
Thanks! Now if I only had the money I'd put it where my mouth is. or something to that effect.
 
I am a Miami homer, but a very realistic one FWIW.

I love the Fins at home getting a FG. Clayton and Mason are both dinged up, and Miami can stuff the run. In the first meeting Miami was without it's top 2 nose guards (Ferguson, Solai), and started Randy Starks who does not normally play the nose. Ferguson is a beast at run stuffing. Miami was down 7 with 8 minutes left in that game, and the difference at that time was a pick 6. I understand that Baltimore gets those pick 6's more often than most teams, but Miami turned the ball over 13 times all season, which is the best in NFL history. That means EVER.

All of this is important - but when you combine it all with the fact that the Ravens are starting a rookie QB in a road playoff game, and facing a team that is 9-1 in their last 10 games, I think it spells trouble.

And to top it off, you get a FG with the home team? You say Baltimore is not getting the respect. How about the team with an 11-5 record and a 3-seed that just won one of the best divisions in the NFL getting a FG at home against a rookie QB?

 
I am a Miami homer, but a very realistic one FWIW.I love the Fins at home getting a FG. Clayton and Mason are both dinged up, and Miami can stuff the run. In the first meeting Miami was without it's top 2 nose guards (Ferguson, Solai), and started Randy Starks who does not normally play the nose. Ferguson is a beast at run stuffing. Miami was down 7 with 8 minutes left in that game, and the difference at that time was a pick 6. I understand that Baltimore gets those pick 6's more often than most teams, but Miami turned the ball over 13 times all season, which is the best in NFL history. That means EVER. All of this is important - but when you combine it all with the fact that the Ravens are starting a rookie QB in a road playoff game, and facing a team that is 9-1 in their last 10 games, I think it spells trouble. And to top it off, you get a FG with the home team? You say Baltimore is not getting the respect. How about the team with an 11-5 record and a 3-seed that just won one of the best divisions in the NFL getting a FG at home against a rookie QB?
good point. this shoud be an interesting game.
 
I am a Miami homer, but a very realistic one FWIW.I love the Fins at home getting a FG. Clayton and Mason are both dinged up, and Miami can stuff the run. In the first meeting Miami was without it's top 2 nose guards (Ferguson, Solai), and started Randy Starks who does not normally play the nose. Ferguson is a beast at run stuffing. Miami was down 7 with 8 minutes left in that game, and the difference at that time was a pick 6. I understand that Baltimore gets those pick 6's more often than most teams, but Miami turned the ball over 13 times all season, which is the best in NFL history. That means EVER. All of this is important - but when you combine it all with the fact that the Ravens are starting a rookie QB in a road playoff game, and facing a team that is 9-1 in their last 10 games, I think it spells trouble. And to top it off, you get a FG with the home team? You say Baltimore is not getting the respect. How about the team with an 11-5 record and a 3-seed that just won one of the best divisions in the NFL getting a FG at home against a rookie QB?
:kicksrock: Most people don't realize that the biggest difference is Miami getting Ferguson back at NT. Also, the crowd is going to be insane. The Miami fans are jacked up!
 
OK - I'll bite. Tell me how Miami can put up enough points on Baltimore this game. I just don't see it.

I think it is a pretty safe pick to say that Miami won't score 20 and probably not over 17.

 
OK - I'll bite. Tell me how Miami can put up enough points on Baltimore this game. I just don't see it.I think it is a pretty safe pick to say that Miami won't score 20 and probably not over 17.
I will bite back.How does Baltimore get to 20? Baltimore has the better D, Miami has the better O. Miami has the veteran QB who was a runner up for MVP, and Baltimore has a rookie QB who led his team to a 28th ranked pass offense. Miami also has the homefield, which should not be discounted. In fact, in the playoffs I think the homefield advantage probably should be amplified, although I am far too lazy to provide stats to support this theory.Miami has been scoring just enough to get the W all season. They have a very creative, well disciplined offense. I think they will do it again. But the fact is, all they have to do is not lose by more than 3 to at least push on the spread.
 
OK - I'll bite. Tell me how Miami can put up enough points on Baltimore this game. I just don't see it.

I think it is a pretty safe pick to say that Miami won't score 20 and probably not over 17.
I will bite back.How does Baltimore get to 20? Baltimore has the better D, Miami has the better O. Miami has the veteran QB who was a runner up for MVP, and Baltimore has a rookie QB who led his team to a 28th ranked pass offense. Miami also has the homefield, which should not be discounted. In fact, in the playoffs I think the homefield advantage probably should be amplified, although I am far too lazy to provide stats to support this theory.

Miami has been scoring just enough to get the W all season. They have a very creative, well disciplined offense. I think they will do it again. But the fact is, all they have to do is not lose by more than 3 to at least push on the spread.
As a pre-emptive strike against the oncoming onslaught of postings reminding me that Baltimore put up 27 in Miami earlier in the season, I will refer back to the points made earlier that 7 of those points came on a pick 6, and another 7 came on a late-game drive where Baltimore ran it down Miami's gut by exploiting the fact that the Fins had a DE playing NT. I am not trying to take away from the fact that the Ravens beat us by 2 TDs on our homefield, and if they get the big turnover(s) on Sunday, they have a great chance of covering the spread. But Miami did not turn it over much this year, so those opportunities have been few and far between for opposing Ds. If there is a D that can force mistakes, it is the Ravens though.
 
with the wild card and divisional rounds there is usually one blow-out and one upset.

my candidate for blow-out is Baltimore over Miami, not that it will be your typical 45-3 blowout, but I'm thinking more along the lines of 23-0 where Miami will be unable to get anything going on offense. Miami hasn't been putting up a ton of points lately and is going up against a vicious defense in Baltimore. Ed Reed must be licking his chops and will account for at least one pick to the house. Miami only scored 13 points in their wk7 loss against the Ravens and the Dolphins were at home. No way the Dolphins get anywhere near 13 points in this one.

not that I feel strongly about it, but the only game that fits into the upset category would be San Diego over Indy, but Gates and LT are hurt, but you never know Rivers may have a little extra fire to go and outshine the league MVP after not being voted to the Pro-Bowl.

 
SUNDAY - Philadelphia Eagles at Minnesota Vikings

Current Lines: Philly -3, Over/Under 41 to 41.5

This one is certainly striking a chord with the Shark Pool this week as it is the biggest pre-game thread, and with good reason. This could be one of the most entertaining games and it features two marquee running backs in the NFL and in the fantasy football world. Adrian Peterson plays his first postseason game while Brian Westbrook returns to the playoffs once again. Both players will factor in heavily into the gameplan for both clubs, but they won't be the entire deciding factors. The Eagles run defense vs. Peterson will be the matchup that everyone wants to see, but the real story could be how they do against the short passes to TE Vishante Shiancoe and also Chester Taylor. The young Philly linebackers will be tested as Akeem Jordan and Stewart Bradley will be pushed to perform at a very high level.

For Minnesota, I expect that Williams Wall to be only at 50% at best as I don't think Pat will play. That's a blow to the Vikings despite how the Eagles look on paper for the full season. Guess what - over the course of the past four victories for Philadelphia, they've run almost as much as they have thrown the ball. If Pat is out expect the Eagles to return to that mixture and call at least 15 rushing plays in the first half as they work the ball to both Westbrook and Correll Buckhalter. That dedication to the ground game, regardless of the effectiveness in moving the ball on its own, should open up passing lanes for Kevin Curtis and Jason Avant. Avant and Hank Baskett (who had a cup of coffee with Childress' Vikings after the 2007 draft) could be sleeper plays along with TE Brent Celek. McNabb has played inspired football since being benched, and the defense has stepped up as well.

If Philadelphia plays like they have of late (aside from the abysmal Washington performance), this game should be Philadelphia's to lose - which they should not. If they played 10 times, I expect the Eagles to win six or seven of those - but the problem is that this is a best of one series. Anything could happen, so I'm going with the 60-70% odds of Philly winning. I believe that the Eagles will know Brad Childress more than he thinks and that the advantage lies with Andy Reid and Jim Johnson, not the other way around. Philadelphia 27, Minnesota 20. If the Eagles defense steps up even more, it could be 27-13, which hurts the Over / Under so I'm passing on that one.

And yes, I like the Eagles as my favorite team, wich as most Philadelphia fans know makes it painfully hard to pick them.



Picks: Eagles -3 (2 stars)

Over 41 (0 stars)
You could have saved a lot of keystrokes on this write-up by simply typing the following:Minnesota must overcome the Eagles -AND- Tarvaris Jackson.

I have no idea how Jim Johnson will even get to sleep the next two nights. He must be raring to go. GIDDY, even.

 
OK - I'll bite. Tell me how Miami can put up enough points on Baltimore this game. I just don't see it.

I think it is a pretty safe pick to say that Miami won't score 20 and probably not over 17.
I will bite back.How does Baltimore get to 20?
Since Week 7 (Miami), Baltimore has topped 20 points (24, actually) in every game except the blowout loss to the Giants and the hard fought Steelers game. That's 9 of 11 games. Only one of them (Philly) is a playoff team, however.

Just saying that the Ravens score much more than you think.

Wk 7: Ravens 27 @ Dolphins 13
Wk 8: Raiders 10 @ Ravens 29
Wk 9: Ravens 37 @ Browns 27
Wk 10: Ravens 41 @ Texans 13
Wk 11: Ravens 10 @ Giants 30
Wk 12: Eagles 7 @ Ravens 36
Wk 13: Ravens 34 @ Bengals 3
Wk 14: Redskins 10 @ Ravens 24
Wk 15: Steelers 13 @ Ravens 9
Wk 16: Ravens 33 @ Cowboys 24
Wk 17: Jaguars 7 @ Ravens 27You seem to be putting alot of weight on Flacco's rookie status. He is a rookie, but he has 16 NFL games as a starter. That's not insignificant.

Do you see that being a problem for Atlanta as well?

 
Jeff Pasquino said:
ChuckLiddell said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
OK - I'll bite. Tell me how Miami can put up enough points on Baltimore this game. I just don't see it.

I think it is a pretty safe pick to say that Miami won't score 20 and probably not over 17.
I will bite back.How does Baltimore get to 20?
Since Week 7 (Miami), Baltimore has topped 20 points (24, actually) in every game except the blowout loss to the Giants and the hard fought Steelers game. That's 9 of 11 games. Only one of them (Philly) is a playoff team, however.

Just saying that the Ravens score much more than you think.

Wk 7: Ravens 27 @ Dolphins 13
Wk 8: Raiders 10 @ Ravens 29
Wk 9: Ravens 37 @ Browns 27
Wk 10: Ravens 41 @ Texans 13
Wk 11: Ravens 10 @ Giants 30
Wk 12: Eagles 7 @ Ravens 36
Wk 13: Ravens 34 @ Bengals 3
Wk 14: Redskins 10 @ Ravens 24
Wk 15: Steelers 13 @ Ravens 9
Wk 16: Ravens 33 @ Cowboys 24
Wk 17: Jaguars 7 @ Ravens 27You seem to be putting alot of weight on Flacco's rookie status. He is a rookie, but he has 16 NFL games as a starter. That's not insignificant.

Do you see that being a problem for Atlanta as well?
Good point. Darn numbers!I do think that the playoffs change the intensity a lot. Especially on the road, and I do also like Arizona a lot at home for the same reason. I put the focus of my post on Miami since I have not had a whole lot to talk about with my team after September in such a long time, and I look for any opportunity now. You gave me one when you picked against them, and made it your strongest pick of the week. A lot of people give me that opportunity in the same form right now - most are calling for a double digit Baltimore win. I know that despite what the Fins have accomplished this season, they will have to win this game to garner any respect as a truly good team, versus just a truly good story.

My 2 picks for the week are still Miami and Arizona, and much of my rationale comes from the fact that they are home, facing a rook, and in Miami's case, are getting a FG in a game that I feel should at least stay close for them. Miami is also playing significantly better football than Arizona is right now, which makes them a stronger pick IMO.

The 3 points is really huge too!

 
Arizona wins at home as pass defense / special teams make a couple plays...and of course Warner throws 300/3.

Philly over the Vikes (so they can lose the following week to the Giants).

Chargers over the Colts (not sure, but whoever wins loses to the Steelers).

Ravens over the Dolphins by 18+.

 
ChuckLiddell said:
All of this is important - but when you combine it all with the fact that the Ravens are starting a rookie QB in a road playoff game, and facing a team that is 9-1 in their last 10 games, I think it spells trouble.

And to top it off, you get a FG with the home team? You say Baltimore is not getting the respect. How about the team with an 11-5 record and a 3-seed that just won one of the best divisions in the NFL getting a FG at home against a rookie QB?
Ravens are 9-2 in their last 11, vs. much tougher competition than what Miami has faced.Why do people persist in the belief that the AFC East was a good division this year? They were horrible, and benefitted hugely from the gimme wins presented by playing the AFC and NFC West.

The Jets gave up 500 yards to KC two weeks ago. The Dolphins have had a great year, but it's been done with a lot of smoke and mirrors. The Ravens' style of smashmouth football on both sides of the line tends to dissipate the smoke and crack the mirrors. I think the Ravens will grind away on the ground, control the clock, then hit a couple of big plays over the top (I've never seen a team's Safetys play closer to the line more often than Miami's).

 
ChuckLiddell said:
All of this is important - but when you combine it all with the fact that the Ravens are starting a rookie QB in a road playoff game, and facing a team that is 9-1 in their last 10 games, I think it spells trouble.

And to top it off, you get a FG with the home team? You say Baltimore is not getting the respect. How about the team with an 11-5 record and a 3-seed that just won one of the best divisions in the NFL getting a FG at home against a rookie QB?
Ravens are 9-2 in their last 11, vs. much tougher competition than what Miami has faced.Why do people persist in the belief that the AFC East was a good division this year? They were horrible, and benefitted hugely from the gimme wins presented by playing the AFC and NFC West.

The Jets gave up 500 yards to KC two weeks ago. The Dolphins have had a great year, but it's been done with a lot of smoke and mirrors. The Ravens' style of smashmouth football on both sides of the line tends to dissipate the smoke and crack the mirrors. I think the Ravens will grind away on the ground, control the clock, then hit a couple of big plays over the top (I've never seen a team's Safetys play closer to the line more often than Miami's).
Was their competition so much tougher? They get 4 divisional games against Cleveland and Cinci - each 4-12. They lost their other 2 divisonal games against the Steelers. Miami's easiest divisional games are against the 7-9 Bills. I know that Miami had a very easy schedule, but they did not get to play Cinci and Cleveland 2 times each. Without taking the time to break down both team's schedules, I would assume that while the Ravens schedule may have been tougher, I doubt that it was "much" tougher.You also note that the AFC East was "horrible", yet their worst team was 7-9. I know their schedule was soft, but no "horrible" team wins 7 games in the NFL.

 
Jeff Pasquino said:
SUNDAY - Philadelphia Eagles at Minnesota Vikings

Current Lines: Philly -3, Over/Under 41 to 41.5

This one is certainly striking a chord with the Shark Pool this week as it is the biggest pre-game thread, and with good reason. This could be one of the most entertaining games and it features two marquee running backs in the NFL and in the fantasy football world. Adrian Peterson plays his first postseason game while Brian Westbrook returns to the playoffs once again. Both players will factor in heavily into the gameplan for both clubs, but they won't be the entire deciding factors. The Eagles run defense vs. Peterson will be the matchup that everyone wants to see, but the real story could be how they do against the short passes to TE Vishante Shiancoe and also Chester Taylor. The young Philly linebackers will be tested as Akeem Jordan and Stewart Bradley will be pushed to perform at a very high level.

For Minnesota, I expect that Williams Wall to be only at 50% at best as I don't think Pat will play. That's a blow to the Vikings despite how the Eagles look on paper for the full season. Guess what - over the course of the past four victories for Philadelphia, they've run almost as much as they have thrown the ball. If Pat is out expect the Eagles to return to that mixture and call at least 15 rushing plays in the first half as they work the ball to both Westbrook and Correll Buckhalter. That dedication to the ground game, regardless of the effectiveness in moving the ball on its own, should open up passing lanes for Kevin Curtis and Jason Avant. Avant and Hank Baskett (who had a cup of coffee with Childress' Vikings after the 2007 draft) could be sleeper plays along with TE Brent Celek. McNabb has played inspired football since being benched, and the defense has stepped up as well.

If Philadelphia plays like they have of late (aside from the abysmal Washington performance), this game should be Philadelphia's to lose - which they should not. If they played 10 times, I expect the Eagles to win six or seven of those - but the problem is that this is a best of one series. Anything could happen, so I'm going with the 60-70% odds of Philly winning. I believe that the Eagles will know Brad Childress more than he thinks and that the advantage lies with Andy Reid and Jim Johnson, not the other way around. Philadelphia 27, Minnesota 20. If the Eagles defense steps up even more, it could be 27-13, which hurts the Over / Under so I'm passing on that one.

And yes, I like the Eagles as my favorite team, wich as most Philadelphia fans know makes it painfully hard to pick them.



Picks: Eagles -3 (2 stars)

Over 41 (0 stars)
Jeff, no mention of DeSean Jackson in the Eagles game plan? Did I miss something ??? :unsure:

 
Jeff Pasquino said:
SUNDAY - Philadelphia Eagles at Minnesota Vikings

Current Lines: Philly -3, Over/Under 41 to 41.5

This one is certainly striking a chord with the Shark Pool this week as it is the biggest pre-game thread, and with good reason. This could be one of the most entertaining games and it features two marquee running backs in the NFL and in the fantasy football world. Adrian Peterson plays his first postseason game while Brian Westbrook returns to the playoffs once again. Both players will factor in heavily into the gameplan for both clubs, but they won't be the entire deciding factors. The Eagles run defense vs. Peterson will be the matchup that everyone wants to see, but the real story could be how they do against the short passes to TE Vishante Shiancoe and also Chester Taylor. The young Philly linebackers will be tested as Akeem Jordan and Stewart Bradley will be pushed to perform at a very high level.

For Minnesota, I expect that Williams Wall to be only at 50% at best as I don't think Pat will play. That's a blow to the Vikings despite how the Eagles look on paper for the full season. Guess what - over the course of the past four victories for Philadelphia, they've run almost as much as they have thrown the ball. If Pat is out expect the Eagles to return to that mixture and call at least 15 rushing plays in the first half as they work the ball to both Westbrook and Correll Buckhalter. That dedication to the ground game, regardless of the effectiveness in moving the ball on its own, should open up passing lanes for Kevin Curtis and Jason Avant. Avant and Hank Baskett (who had a cup of coffee with Childress' Vikings after the 2007 draft) could be sleeper plays along with TE Brent Celek. McNabb has played inspired football since being benched, and the defense has stepped up as well.

If Philadelphia plays like they have of late (aside from the abysmal Washington performance), this game should be Philadelphia's to lose - which they should not. If they played 10 times, I expect the Eagles to win six or seven of those - but the problem is that this is a best of one series. Anything could happen, so I'm going with the 60-70% odds of Philly winning. I believe that the Eagles will know Brad Childress more than he thinks and that the advantage lies with Andy Reid and Jim Johnson, not the other way around. Philadelphia 27, Minnesota 20. If the Eagles defense steps up even more, it could be 27-13, which hurts the Over / Under so I'm passing on that one.

And yes, I like the Eagles as my favorite team, wich as most Philadelphia fans know makes it painfully hard to pick them.



Picks: Eagles -3 (2 stars)

Over 41 (0 stars)
Jeff, no mention of DeSean Jackson in the Eagles game plan? Did I miss something ??? :clap:
Sorry - I wrote lots of stuff in several places.From the pre-game thread:

My own thoughts on the Eagles gameplan:

Let's assume a few things. First, Marty Mornhinweg will continue to be calling the plays. That's a good thing for the Eagles, as he has called the shots in their last four wins. Andy Reid - hopefully - has come to his senses and realized that Marty should be calling the plays while Reid manages the game.

Next assumption is that the Eagles will have 70 plays on offense. They had 80 against Arizona but just 58 against Dallas in Week 17. Let's go about half way on this and call it even.

The final guess here is that - hold your breath - the Eagles will throw more than they run. Shocking, I know. But think about it - the Williams Wall will be back (Pat and Kevin) allegedly as Pat returns from an injury. This will hurt the ground game but you cannot abandon the run (right, Andy?).

So here we go, predictions on 70 plays and the touches for the game:

Brian Westbrook: 18 rushes, 10 targets (28 plays)

Correll Buckhalter: 10 rushes, 4 targets (14 plays)

Stopping right here you have 42 of 70 plays accounted for already. Note that "C-Buck" is now getting a good amount of work, and deservedly so. With 60% of the plays called for the backs, it is also worth noting that a third of them are pass plays. That's key to this game and will challenge the Minnesota linebackers.

That leaves 40% of the 70 plays to go. For the next 28 we have the receivers:

DeSean Jackson: 2 rushes, 8 targets (10 plays)

Kevin Curtis: 7 targets (7 plays)

Brent Celek: 4 targets (4 plays)

Jason Avant: 4 targets (4 plays)

Hank Baskett: 3 targets (3 plays)

That's 28 in all, and two runs for DeSean. Expect him on at least one end around and also another out of the Wildcat formation, which has been effective. Baskett and Avant are good wildcards for the Eagles as Baskett had a cup of coffee with Minnesota as a rookie and Avant is a nice possession receiver. Reggie Brown could also get in the picture but may not have his number called too often.

Lastly is fullback Kyle Eckel, whom the Eagles have to hope will be used to get tough short yards for a first down or to run out the game in the fourth quarter.
 
Note that the way I sliced up the Eagles' offense, they pass about 60% of the time (40-30, 57% pass). That's about right for against MIN, but it could go towards 50-50 with Pat Williams likely out.

 
ChuckLiddell said:
I am a Miami homer, but a very realistic one FWIW.I love the Fins at home getting a FG. Clayton and Mason are both dinged up, and Miami can stuff the run. In the first meeting Miami was without it's top 2 nose guards (Ferguson, Solai), and started Randy Starks who does not normally play the nose. Ferguson is a beast at run stuffing. Miami was down 7 with 8 minutes left in that game, and the difference at that time was a pick 6. I understand that Baltimore gets those pick 6's more often than most teams, but Miami turned the ball over 13 times all season, which is the best in NFL history. That means EVER. All of this is important - but when you combine it all with the fact that the Ravens are starting a rookie QB in a road playoff game, and facing a team that is 9-1 in their last 10 games, I think it spells trouble. And to top it off, you get a FG with the home team? You say Baltimore is not getting the respect. How about the team with an 11-5 record and a 3-seed that just won one of the best divisions in the NFL getting a FG at home against a rookie QB?
1) 13 turnovers isn't the best EVER.2) 13 turnovers is only tied with the best in 2008.3) The AFC East isn't one of the best divisions in football.4) Flacco won't play well, but not because he's a rookie QB in a road playoff game, but because he's a below average QB.
 
I like to tweak Jeff now and then, but I think his predictions are very right on. In other words, he thinks what I think :confused:

I see ATL winning a shootout. I don't know how anyone can even have a slight feeling on the Indy-SD game -- that's as even looking a game as you'll ever see. Baltimore is going to shut down Miami's offense, and win 20-10 give or take a TD in either direction.

The one place we disagree is the game where Jeff's glasses are all fogged up :lmao: Minnesota's defense is underrated, and I don't see the Eagles doing much. Jeff's calls for the Eagles to run 15 times in the first half sounds like a surefire way to gain 45 yards and a seven point halftime deficit. Only one team has beaten the Vikings by running the ball, and that was the Packers all the way back in week one. You have to pass to beat the Vikings or get a bunch of turnovers; Minnesota's 10-3 in games where they've turned the ball over three times or less. In those three losses, one was the Indy game where Manning threw 42 pases, GB in week 1 where they had a 76 yard punt return and a good (but not dominant) rushing performance and Tampa Bay (one offensive touchdown and the leading rusher was 20/53). You beat Minnesota by scoring on defense or special teams and forcing turnovers, not by running roughshod over them. Pat is out, but the Eagles simply aren't a good enough running team to beat the Vikings that way. They need the short passing game to work and for Akers to hit his four FGs. I think this game is a toss-up.

 
My thoughts on your thoughts:

ATL-ARI: Doesn't a shootout in Arizona favor the Cards? The team with the prolific passing offense that can keep the pressure on a young secondary and score a lot of points in a short amount of time? I can see Arizona thwarting Turner and Ryan much easier than I can see Atlanta making Warner look feeble. Of course, John Abraham could have one of his all-world games and force turnovers, but that's about the only recipe for Atlanta to win a high scoring game, having the defense set up some scores, if not make a few themselves. Atlanta has been "hanging on" in their recent wins, playing very strong early and then relying on a big defensive play to stop late comeback bids. Arizona's passing O is much better than Tampa, Minnesota or St. Louis.

I've been a huge Ryan backer from day one, but I do think this is a "lesson" day for him, just like the first matchups with Carolina and Tampa. Teams as young and inexperienced in the playoffs as the Falcons tend go one and done in their first playoff appearance.

IND-SD are very evenly matched, and they have a good recent history of close, exciting games. It seems like Peyton is going to be able to pass on that SD secondary that never gelled with no real pass rush to bail them out, and it will be up to Rivers to stay with him. Freeney/Mathis will likely notch a key sack/strip or two to turn this one. Sproles is a good "X factor" if the Chargers use LT's injury as a reason to give him 15-20 touches instead of the usual 5-10, but most of the ways I see this game breaking result in Colts wins.

BAL-MIA looks like a one sided game unless Miami has some more tricks up their sleeve. The Fins can move the ball methodically in the short passing game (295 passing in this first matchup), but when you drop Penny back that much, Suggs or Reed will eventually get theirs, and Miami was also ineffective in the red zone early in the first matchup, which has to change, but I dont know how it can. The Wildcat isn't going to work, nor are these long-developing plays when the ball changes hands multiple times behind the line of scrimmage and someone is left alone downfield. Baltimore is a terrible draw for Miami in the first round, unless they get career games from Porter on defense and Ginn in the return game, this one could get boring real quick. I agree with Baltimore as the best play of the weekend.

PHI-MIN also looks one-sided unless McNabb has one of those games where it looks like he's hungover or someone drugged him before the game. IF Childress crosses up the Iggles by passing early and often, and THEN starts pounding Peterson, maybe they can hang, but Childress rarely comes up with the right game plan on offense.

The Super Bowl champ has played on the first weekend each of the last three years, Philly and Baltimore look like the best bets to make it happen a 4th straight year...

:confused:

 
My thoughts on your thoughts:ATL-ARI: Doesn't a shootout in Arizona favor the Cards? The team with the prolific passing offense that can keep the pressure on a young secondary and score a lot of points in a short amount of time? I can see Arizona thwarting Turner and Ryan much easier than I can see Atlanta making Warner look feeble.
No, a shootout favors the Falcons. Arizona has allowed 28 passing TDs and forced only 2 INTs in their ten non-divisional games this year. And the 2 INTs came against Brett Favre and J.P. Losman, so we can safely assume that Ryan will throw 5 TDs and -2 INTs.
 
The Eagles pass D is great so I don't think Tarvaris Jackson is going to have a breakout game or anything, but people are dogging him too much. He's got a 95.4 QB Rating this year and can make plays with his legs. He wasn't bad last year as a 24 year old first year starter and he played very well down the stretch in '07 and '08. For example, I'd take him over Flacco.

Chase's QB rankings for WC weekend (ignoring matchups, otherwise I'd put Pennington last)

1. Rivers

2. Manning

3. Pennington

4. Ryan

5. Warner

6. McNabb

7. Jackson

8. Flacco

 
4) Flacco won't play well, but not because he's a rookie QB in a road playoff game, but because he's a below average QB.
If you're basing this on statistics, you're being myopic.Flacco looks every bit the part of an NFL QB and barring injury he'll be the Ravens QB for the next 5 years, and possibly 10.He's a franchise QB and deservedly so.
 
ATL-ARI: Doesn't a shootout in Arizona favor the Cards? The team with the prolific passing offense that can keep the pressure on a young secondary and score a lot of points in a short amount of time? I can see Arizona thwarting Turner and Ryan much easier than I can see Atlanta making Warner look feeble. Of course, John Abraham could have one of his all-world games and force turnovers, but that's about the only recipe for Atlanta to win a high scoring game, having the defense set up some scores, if not make a few themselves. Atlanta has been "hanging on" in their recent wins, playing very strong early and then relying on a big defensive play to stop late comeback bids. Arizona's passing O is much better than Tampa, Minnesota or St. Louis. I've been a huge Ryan backer from day one, but I do think this is a "lesson" day for him, just like the first matchups with Carolina and Tampa. Teams as young and inexperienced in the playoffs as the Falcons tend go one and done in their first playoff appearance.
Sup Bloom!I don't think Arizona has the kind of intimidating defense which would even be able to teach him a "lesson"...Stay within the offense, use play-action, get him on the edge, safe throws, etc. He'll be fine.And when I was watching Edge's NFL Matchup this morning, Jaws had some really interesting coaches tape on the Cards O-line. When they are faced with an aggressive D-line which can rush the passer (Atlanta, for instance), Warner's O-line REALLY struggled to protect him. Jaws loves the Falcons, and thinks they will be able to rattle Warner. Add in the fact that the Cards have shown an inability to run the ball, and I'd be very worried if I'm Arizona. The one thing we can't handicap is emotion. If Arizona gets up 7-0 quickly, then gets a turnover, then the crowd goes insane, well.... all bets are off. But on paper, to me, Atlanta is clearly the better team.I wrote in the gambling thread that I'm pounding this 6½ point teaser:Atlanta +7½Indianapolis +7½I haven't been this excited about a teaser in a long time.
 
4) Flacco won't play well, but not because he's a rookie QB in a road playoff game, but because he's a below average QB.
If you're basing this on statistics, you're being myopic.Flacco looks every bit the part of an NFL QB and barring injury he'll be the Ravens QB for the next 5 years, and possibly 10.He's a franchise QB and deservedly so.
:confused: Off the top of my head:Flacco's first five games.... 1 TD, 5 INTFlacco's last eleven games... 11 TD, 5 INT
 
The Eagles pass D is great so I don't think Tarvaris Jackson is going to have a breakout game or anything, but people are dogging him too much. He's got a 95.4 QB Rating this year and can make plays with his legs. He wasn't bad last year as a 24 year old first year starter and he played very well down the stretch in '07 and '08. For example, I'd take him over Flacco.
Is this a long term sentiment or just today?Flacco is maturing every game (and especially since the second half of the Indy game).

He's not performing much in fantasy-land simply because he's not being asked to in that offense. It is a run game first, defense second team. Passing is called upon when they need it or feel that they can exploit a matchup or need to keep a team honest.

Flacco can make all of the throws and is actually nimble in the pocket and can scramble now and then. (He's a Top 10 rushing QB this year - but there's no Vick-esque QB these days - Thigpen actually led the league in rushing yards as a QB with 386).

I think you're really selling Flacco short, Chase.

 
ATL-ARI: Doesn't a shootout in Arizona favor the Cards? The team with the prolific passing offense that can keep the pressure on a young secondary and score a lot of points in a short amount of time? I can see Arizona thwarting Turner and Ryan much easier than I can see Atlanta making Warner look feeble. Of course, John Abraham could have one of his all-world games and force turnovers, but that's about the only recipe for Atlanta to win a high scoring game, having the defense set up some scores, if not make a few themselves. Atlanta has been "hanging on" in their recent wins, playing very strong early and then relying on a big defensive play to stop late comeback bids. Arizona's passing O is much better than Tampa, Minnesota or St. Louis. I've been a huge Ryan backer from day one, but I do think this is a "lesson" day for him, just like the first matchups with Carolina and Tampa. Teams as young and inexperienced in the playoffs as the Falcons tend go one and done in their first playoff appearance.
Sup Bloom!I don't think Arizona has the kind of intimidating defense which would even be able to teach him a "lesson"...Stay within the offense, use play-action, get him on the edge, safe throws, etc. He'll be fine.And when I was watching Edge's NFL Matchup this morning, Jaws had some really interesting coaches tape on the Cards O-line. When they are faced with an aggressive D-line which can rush the passer (Atlanta, for instance), Warner's O-line REALLY struggled to protect him. Jaws loves the Falcons, and thinks they will be able to rattle Warner. Add in the fact that the Cards have shown an inability to run the ball, and I'd be very worried if I'm Arizona. The one thing we can't handicap is emotion. If Arizona gets up 7-0 quickly, then gets a turnover, then the crowd goes insane, well.... all bets are off. But on paper, to me, Atlanta is clearly the better team.I wrote in the gambling thread that I'm pounding this 6½ point teaser:Atlanta +7½Indianapolis +7½I haven't been this excited about a teaser in a long time.
:confused: That's a good play, RN. I think that's an 80% chance of a hit if not better, so I love it as well. Great call.Atlanta is going to pound the ball against AZ and break some big ones. If AZ tries to establish the run (as rumored this week) that's (1) breaking with their strengths and (2) going to mess up their offense. I understand that ATL is weaker vs. the run, but if it isn't your strength then you just can't make up your offensive attack in January.The Cards need to keep moving the ball downfield via Warner and company. Edge and Hightower can get theirs, but the pass must set up the run.
 
ATL-ARI: Doesn't a shootout in Arizona favor the Cards? The team with the prolific passing offense that can keep the pressure on a young secondary and score a lot of points in a short amount of time? I can see Arizona thwarting Turner and Ryan much easier than I can see Atlanta making Warner look feeble. Of course, John Abraham could have one of his all-world games and force turnovers, but that's about the only recipe for Atlanta to win a high scoring game, having the defense set up some scores, if not make a few themselves. Atlanta has been "hanging on" in their recent wins, playing very strong early and then relying on a big defensive play to stop late comeback bids. Arizona's passing O is much better than Tampa, Minnesota or St. Louis. I've been a huge Ryan backer from day one, but I do think this is a "lesson" day for him, just like the first matchups with Carolina and Tampa. Teams as young and inexperienced in the playoffs as the Falcons tend go one and done in their first playoff appearance.
Sup Bloom!I don't think Arizona has the kind of intimidating defense which would even be able to teach him a "lesson"...Stay within the offense, use play-action, get him on the edge, safe throws, etc. He'll be fine.And when I was watching Edge's NFL Matchup this morning, Jaws had some really interesting coaches tape on the Cards O-line. When they are faced with an aggressive D-line which can rush the passer (Atlanta, for instance), Warner's O-line REALLY struggled to protect him. Jaws loves the Falcons, and thinks they will be able to rattle Warner. Add in the fact that the Cards have shown an inability to run the ball, and I'd be very worried if I'm Arizona. The one thing we can't handicap is emotion. If Arizona gets up 7-0 quickly, then gets a turnover, then the crowd goes insane, well.... all bets are off. But on paper, to me, Atlanta is clearly the better team.I wrote in the gambling thread that I'm pounding this 6½ point teaser:Atlanta +7½Indianapolis +7½I haven't been this excited about a teaser in a long time.
I do think that Abraham could be the difference, but I don't see any other natural pass rushers on the Atlanta DL. I will say that Abraham has been disruptive no matter what kind of schemes or double and triple teams have been thrown at him. Ryan has 4 INTs to 2 TDs in the last three games, and he's been forcing the ball to White. A few of the INTs were embarrassingly easy for the DB. Maybe he tightens it up, but I think the last few weeks are good simulations for playoff intensity, and he has wilted a bit. Adrian Wilson and Karlos Dansby are both the kinds of players who can punish Ryan for poor decisions or trying to do too much, and I expect them to make an impact both as blitzers and in coverage.You did hit on the real X-factor for this game - emotion. HCs in their first playoff game. Most of the key players on both sides haven't been in the playoffs before. Chances are, one of the two teams will "seize the moment" and take control of this game early. It may come down to whether Abraham or Dansby/Wilson strike first with a big play on defense. I do think that Atlanta can't really "run away and hide", and even if they get the early momentum, Warner will keep taking his shots and eventually get his team back in this one. On the other hand, if Arizona opens up with a score or two, and Atlanta has to abandon the power running game and Turner, they'll be in trouble.
 
ChuckLiddell said:
I am a Miami homer, but a very realistic one FWIW.

I love the Fins at home getting a FG. Clayton and Mason are both dinged up, and Miami can stuff the run. In the first meeting Miami was without it's top 2 nose guards (Ferguson, Solai), and started Randy Starks who does not normally play the nose. Ferguson is a beast at run stuffing. Miami was down 7 with 8 minutes left in that game, and the difference at that time was a pick 6. I understand that Baltimore gets those pick 6's more often than most teams, but Miami turned the ball over 13 times all season, which is the best in NFL history. That means EVER.

All of this is important - but when you combine it all with the fact that the Ravens are starting a rookie QB in a road playoff game, and facing a team that is 9-1 in their last 10 games, I think it spells trouble.

And to top it off, you get a FG with the home team? You say Baltimore is not getting the respect. How about the team with an 11-5 record and a 3-seed that just won one of the best divisions in the NFL getting a FG at home against a rookie QB?
1) 13 turnovers isn't the best EVER.2) 13 turnovers is only tied with the best in 2008.

3) The AFC East isn't one of the best divisions in football.

4) Flacco won't play well, but not because he's a rookie QB in a road playoff game, but because he's a below average QB.
My fault if I got that wrong. I thought I had heard the annoucers during the Jets game saying it was the best ever. What is the best ever?
 
I may be the only person NOT seeing a shootout for Atl/Ari. I'm looking for Atlanta to shut down Ari by not letting them on the field. I think Abraham will get to Warner at least twice, and someone else once. Run the ball, control the clock, go home 24-17.

 
The Eagles pass D is great so I don't think Tarvaris Jackson is going to have a breakout game or anything, but people are dogging him too much. He's got a 95.4 QB Rating this year and can make plays with his legs. He wasn't bad last year as a 24 year old first year starter and he played very well down the stretch in '07 and '08. For example, I'd take him over Flacco.
Is this a long term sentiment or just today?Flacco is maturing every game (and especially since the second half of the Indy game).

He's not performing much in fantasy-land simply because he's not being asked to in that offense. It is a run game first, defense second team. Passing is called upon when they need it or feel that they can exploit a matchup or need to keep a team honest.

Flacco can make all of the throws and is actually nimble in the pocket and can scramble now and then. (He's a Top 10 rushing QB this year - but there's no Vick-esque QB these days - Thigpen actually led the league in rushing yards as a QB with 386).

I think you're really selling Flacco short, Chase.
Just today.Flacco may be a great QB for 5-10 years, but he's not anywhere near that level now. He's being sacked or intercepted on 10% of his drop backs, which is too high for a guy who ranks below the league average in yards/attempt.

 
The Eagles pass D is great so I don't think Tarvaris Jackson is going to have a breakout game or anything, but people are dogging him too much. He's got a 95.4 QB Rating this year and can make plays with his legs. He wasn't bad last year as a 24 year old first year starter and he played very well down the stretch in '07 and '08. For example, I'd take him over Flacco.
Is this a long term sentiment or just today?Flacco is maturing every game (and especially since the second half of the Indy game).

He's not performing much in fantasy-land simply because he's not being asked to in that offense. It is a run game first, defense second team. Passing is called upon when they need it or feel that they can exploit a matchup or need to keep a team honest.

Flacco can make all of the throws and is actually nimble in the pocket and can scramble now and then. (He's a Top 10 rushing QB this year - but there's no Vick-esque QB these days - Thigpen actually led the league in rushing yards as a QB with 386).

I think you're really selling Flacco short, Chase.
Just today.Flacco may be a great QB for 5-10 years, but he's not anywhere near that level now. He's being sacked or intercepted on 10% of his drop backs, which is too high for a guy who ranks below the league average in yards/attempt.
Since you love to assign yards or points to events, surely you can quantify the value of taking a sack vs. throwing a pick.Flacco may take more sacks than average per dropback, but that's a much better option than throwing into coverage or chucking it up for grabs.

The sacked rate alone is not a good stat for evaluating a quarterback.

 
The Eagles pass D is great so I don't think Tarvaris Jackson is going to have a breakout game or anything, but people are dogging him too much. He's got a 95.4 QB Rating this year and can make plays with his legs. He wasn't bad last year as a 24 year old first year starter and he played very well down the stretch in '07 and '08. For example, I'd take him over Flacco.
Is this a long term sentiment or just today?Flacco is maturing every game (and especially since the second half of the Indy game).

He's not performing much in fantasy-land simply because he's not being asked to in that offense. It is a run game first, defense second team. Passing is called upon when they need it or feel that they can exploit a matchup or need to keep a team honest.

Flacco can make all of the throws and is actually nimble in the pocket and can scramble now and then. (He's a Top 10 rushing QB this year - but there's no Vick-esque QB these days - Thigpen actually led the league in rushing yards as a QB with 386).

I think you're really selling Flacco short, Chase.
Just today.Flacco may be a great QB for 5-10 years, but he's not anywhere near that level now. He's being sacked or intercepted on 10% of his drop backs, which is too high for a guy who ranks below the league average in yards/attempt.
Since you love to assign yards or points to events, surely you can quantify the value of taking a sack vs. throwing a pick.Flacco may take more sacks than average per dropback, but that's a much better option than throwing into coverage or chucking it up for grabs.

The sacked rate alone is not a good stat for evaluating a quarterback.
Who said sack rate alone? When you've got a high sack rate, a high INT rate and a low YPA rate, that's a really bad combo. Flacco's INT rate isn't bad, so he just falls into slightly below average as opposed to bad. Sacks are better than throwing INTs. They're not better than completions, though.

Let me ask you this: how would you rank Flacco's 2008 season, ignoring his rookie status (since the Ravens didn't get additional wins because Flacco was a rookie)? Is he top 10? 11-15? 16-20? 21-25?

 
The Eagles pass D is great so I don't think Tarvaris Jackson is going to have a breakout game or anything, but people are dogging him too much. He's got a 95.4 QB Rating this year and can make plays with his legs. He wasn't bad last year as a 24 year old first year starter and he played very well down the stretch in '07 and '08. For example, I'd take him over Flacco.
Is this a long term sentiment or just today?Flacco is maturing every game (and especially since the second half of the Indy game).

He's not performing much in fantasy-land simply because he's not being asked to in that offense. It is a run game first, defense second team. Passing is called upon when they need it or feel that they can exploit a matchup or need to keep a team honest.

Flacco can make all of the throws and is actually nimble in the pocket and can scramble now and then. (He's a Top 10 rushing QB this year - but there's no Vick-esque QB these days - Thigpen actually led the league in rushing yards as a QB with 386).

I think you're really selling Flacco short, Chase.
Just today.Flacco may be a great QB for 5-10 years, but he's not anywhere near that level now. He's being sacked or intercepted on 10% of his drop backs, which is too high for a guy who ranks below the league average in yards/attempt.
Since you love to assign yards or points to events, surely you can quantify the value of taking a sack vs. throwing a pick.Flacco may take more sacks than average per dropback, but that's a much better option than throwing into coverage or chucking it up for grabs.

The sacked rate alone is not a good stat for evaluating a quarterback.
Who said sack rate alone? When you've got a high sack rate, a high INT rate and a low YPA rate, that's a really bad combo. Flacco's INT rate isn't bad, so he just falls into slightly below average as opposed to bad. Sacks are better than throwing INTs. They're not better than completions, though.

Let me ask you this: how would you rank Flacco's 2008 season, ignoring his rookie status (since the Ravens didn't get additional wins because Flacco was a rookie)? Is he top 10? 11-15? 16-20? 21-25?
On an NFL basis, I'd say he's about a B-, above average but not by a ton. I won't list the QBs I'd rather have but there's several I wouldn't want. I'd say between 14 and 20. On a fantasy basis it was a QB2.

 
Shocker - Chase running down the Ravens.

Since the Week 5 loss to the Colts, Flacco has gone 167 for 284 for 2127 yards, 13 TDs and 5 INTs. That's a QB rating of 90.2 over 11 weeks -- for a full season that would have tied him for 9th with Garcia. That's also 7.48 yards per pass attemp.

He has still struggled vs. the top defensive teams -- 2 INTs and a 22 QB rating vs. Pitt and 2 INTs and a 58 QB raing vs. the Giants. But he has shredded other defenses, hitting a QB rating of 110 5 times during that 11-game stretch and hitting 95 two other times. His numbers vs. Jax in Week 17 compare very favorably to Manning's in Week 16, except that the Ravens ran the ball for three red zone TDs while the Colts had to throw for theirs.

I expect Flacco to open some eyes tomorrow, especially if the Dolphins commit 8 men to stopping the run.

 
ChuckLiddell said:
I am a Miami homer, but a very realistic one FWIW.

I love the Fins at home getting a FG. Clayton and Mason are both dinged up, and Miami can stuff the run. In the first meeting Miami was without it's top 2 nose guards (Ferguson, Solai), and started Randy Starks who does not normally play the nose. Ferguson is a beast at run stuffing. Miami was down 7 with 8 minutes left in that game, and the difference at that time was a pick 6. I understand that Baltimore gets those pick 6's more often than most teams, but Miami turned the ball over 13 times all season, which is the best in NFL history. That means EVER.

All of this is important - but when you combine it all with the fact that the Ravens are starting a rookie QB in a road playoff game, and facing a team that is 9-1 in their last 10 games, I think it spells trouble.

And to top it off, you get a FG with the home team? You say Baltimore is not getting the respect. How about the team with an 11-5 record and a 3-seed that just won one of the best divisions in the NFL getting a FG at home against a rookie QB?
1) 13 turnovers isn't the best EVER.2) 13 turnovers is only tied with the best in 2008.

3) The AFC East isn't one of the best divisions in football.

4) Flacco won't play well, but not because he's a rookie QB in a road playoff game, but because he's a below average QB.
Chase - Not trying to be a jerk, but I did hear that 13 was the record, and when I dug deeper I found a blog on the Sun Sentinal that supported this. It is a quote from Ricky Williams, so I dont know if it is 100%, but here is the quote and link:Quote - "RICKY ON TURNOVER RECORD

One of the things I'm most proud of is we got the record for least turnovers in a season. It's the little things that coach preaches about, no negative plays, no penatlies, no turnovers. It works.

The previous record holder the 1990 Giants won the Super Bowl that year? "That'd be nice.''"

Link - http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/

Here is another link from ESPN - http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?sectio...&id=3792483

Quote from link - "Parcells was the head coach when the Giants had only 14 turnovers, the lowest regular-season total in league history. Now he's executive vice president with the Miami Dolphins, who have 12 turnovers with one game left."

Am I missing something?

 
ChuckLiddell said:
I am a Miami homer, but a very realistic one FWIW.

I love the Fins at home getting a FG. Clayton and Mason are both dinged up, and Miami can stuff the run. In the first meeting Miami was without it's top 2 nose guards (Ferguson, Solai), and started Randy Starks who does not normally play the nose. Ferguson is a beast at run stuffing. Miami was down 7 with 8 minutes left in that game, and the difference at that time was a pick 6. I understand that Baltimore gets those pick 6's more often than most teams, but Miami turned the ball over 13 times all season, which is the best in NFL history. That means EVER.

All of this is important - but when you combine it all with the fact that the Ravens are starting a rookie QB in a road playoff game, and facing a team that is 9-1 in their last 10 games, I think it spells trouble.

And to top it off, you get a FG with the home team? You say Baltimore is not getting the respect. How about the team with an 11-5 record and a 3-seed that just won one of the best divisions in the NFL getting a FG at home against a rookie QB?
1) 13 turnovers isn't the best EVER.2) 13 turnovers is only tied with the best in 2008.

3) The AFC East isn't one of the best divisions in football.

4) Flacco won't play well, but not because he's a rookie QB in a road playoff game, but because he's a below average QB.
Chase - Not trying to be a jerk, but I did hear that 13 was the record, and when I dug deeper I found a blog on the Sun Sentinal that supported this. It is a quote from Ricky Williams, so I dont know if it is 100%, but here is the quote and link:Quote - "RICKY ON TURNOVER RECORD

One of the things I'm most proud of is we got the record for least turnovers in a season. It's the little things that coach preaches about, no negative plays, no penatlies, no turnovers. It works.

The previous record holder the 1990 Giants won the Super Bowl that year? "That'd be nice.''"

Link - http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/

Here is another link from ESPN - http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?sectio...&id=3792483

Quote from link - "Parcells was the head coach when the Giants had only 14 turnovers, the lowest regular-season total in league history. Now he's executive vice president with the Miami Dolphins, who have 12 turnovers with one game left."

Am I missing something?
It's the lowest in a 16-game season I believe.Another team did have fewer in a 14-game season.

 
ATL-ARI: Doesn't a shootout in Arizona favor the Cards? The team with the prolific passing offense that can keep the pressure on a young secondary and score a lot of points in a short amount of time? I can see Arizona thwarting Turner and Ryan much easier than I can see Atlanta making Warner look feeble. Of course, John Abraham could have one of his all-world games and force turnovers, but that's about the only recipe for Atlanta to win a high scoring game, having the defense set up some scores, if not make a few themselves. Atlanta has been "hanging on" in their recent wins, playing very strong early and then relying on a big defensive play to stop late comeback bids. Arizona's passing O is much better than Tampa, Minnesota or St. Louis. I've been a huge Ryan backer from day one, but I do think this is a "lesson" day for him, just like the first matchups with Carolina and Tampa. Teams as young and inexperienced in the playoffs as the Falcons tend go one and done in their first playoff appearance.
Sup Bloom!I don't think Arizona has the kind of intimidating defense which would even be able to teach him a "lesson"...Stay within the offense, use play-action, get him on the edge, safe throws, etc. He'll be fine.And when I was watching Edge's NFL Matchup this morning, Jaws had some really interesting coaches tape on the Cards O-line. When they are faced with an aggressive D-line which can rush the passer (Atlanta, for instance), Warner's O-line REALLY struggled to protect him. Jaws loves the Falcons, and thinks they will be able to rattle Warner. Add in the fact that the Cards have shown an inability to run the ball, and I'd be very worried if I'm Arizona. The one thing we can't handicap is emotion. If Arizona gets up 7-0 quickly, then gets a turnover, then the crowd goes insane, well.... all bets are off. But on paper, to me, Atlanta is clearly the better team.I wrote in the gambling thread that I'm pounding this 6½ point teaser:Atlanta +7½Indianapolis +7½I haven't been this excited about a teaser in a long time.
:lmao: That's a good play, RN. I think that's an 80% chance of a hit if not better, so I love it as well. Great call.Atlanta is going to pound the ball against AZ and break some big ones. If AZ tries to establish the run (as rumored this week) that's (1) breaking with their strengths and (2) going to mess up their offense. I understand that ATL is weaker vs. the run, but if it isn't your strength then you just can't make up your offensive attack in January.The Cards need to keep moving the ball downfield via Warner and company. Edge and Hightower can get theirs, but the pass must set up the run.
:goodposting: Great job Raider Nation.
 
nice picks so far. Kind of wishing i would have paid attn. to these before today, since i took Atl, Indy and the over in Ind/Sd. I love your picks tomorrow, so here's hoping you have the same foresight for then as well.

 
Jeff Pasquino said:
ChuckLiddell said:
I am a Miami homer, but a very realistic one FWIW.

I love the Fins at home getting a FG. Clayton and Mason are both dinged up, and Miami can stuff the run. In the first meeting Miami was without it's top 2 nose guards (Ferguson, Solai), and started Randy Starks who does not normally play the nose. Ferguson is a beast at run stuffing. Miami was down 7 with 8 minutes left in that game, and the difference at that time was a pick 6. I understand that Baltimore gets those pick 6's more often than most teams, but Miami turned the ball over 13 times all season, which is the best in NFL history. That means EVER.

All of this is important - but when you combine it all with the fact that the Ravens are starting a rookie QB in a road playoff game, and facing a team that is 9-1 in their last 10 games, I think it spells trouble.

And to top it off, you get a FG with the home team? You say Baltimore is not getting the respect. How about the team with an 11-5 record and a 3-seed that just won one of the best divisions in the NFL getting a FG at home against a rookie QB?
1) 13 turnovers isn't the best EVER.2) 13 turnovers is only tied with the best in 2008.

3) The AFC East isn't one of the best divisions in football.

4) Flacco won't play well, but not because he's a rookie QB in a road playoff game, but because he's a below average QB.
Chase - Not trying to be a jerk, but I did hear that 13 was the record, and when I dug deeper I found a blog on the Sun Sentinal that supported this. It is a quote from Ricky Williams, so I dont know if it is 100%, but here is the quote and link:Quote - "RICKY ON TURNOVER RECORD

One of the things I'm most proud of is we got the record for least turnovers in a season. It's the little things that coach preaches about, no negative plays, no penatlies, no turnovers. It works.

The previous record holder the 1990 Giants won the Super Bowl that year? "That'd be nice.''"

Link - http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/

Here is another link from ESPN - http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?sectio...&id=3792483

Quote from link - "Parcells was the head coach when the Giants had only 14 turnovers, the lowest regular-season total in league history. Now he's executive vice president with the Miami Dolphins, who have 12 turnovers with one game left."

Am I missing something?
It's the lowest in a 16-game season I believe.Another team did have fewer in a 14-game season.
That, and the '08 Giants also had 13 turnovers (the number Miami ended the year with).
 
Jeff Pasquino said:
I wrote in the gambling thread that I'm pounding this 6½ point teaser:Atlanta +7½Indianapolis +7½I haven't been this excited about a teaser in a long time.
:goodposting: That's a good play, RN. I think that's an 80% chance of a hit if not better, so I love it as well. Great call.Atlanta is going to pound the ball against AZ and break some big ones. If AZ tries to establish the run (as rumored this week) that's (1) breaking with their strengths and (2) going to mess up their offense. I understand that ATL is weaker vs. the run, but if it isn't your strength then you just can't make up your offensive attack in January.The Cards need to keep moving the ball downfield via Warner and company. Edge and Hightower can get theirs, but the pass must set up the run.
:goodposting: Great job Raider Nation.
Thanks... but to be fair, ANY of the 4 teams would have cashed a ticket in a teaser.That's why teasers are beautiful, especially in the playoffs when the lines are money.
 
I won't list the QBs I'd rather have but there's several I wouldn't want. I'd say between 14 and 20.
Getting to 14 is easy:Ignoring the order of these guys, they're all easy "yeses" over Flacco:1 Philip Rivers 2 Drew Brees 3 Chad Pennington 4 Matt Ryan 5 Kurt Warner 6 Jake Delhomme 8 Matt Schaub 7 Peyton Manning 9 Tony Romo 11 Jay Cutler 10 Jeff Garcia 12 Aaron Rodgers 13 Donovan McNabb 14 Matt Cassel 15 Eli Manning 16 Ben Roethlisberger Those are the obvious ones. Then you've got a big group in the middle -- Kerry Collins, Seneca Walace, Trent Edwards, Shaun Hill, Jason Campbell, David Garrard, Favre, Thigpen, even JaMarcus Russell, Tarvaris Jackson and Kyle Orton. I don't think all of those guys have played better than Flacco, but at least half did. That puts Flacco out of the top 20, as far as I'm concerned.Perhaps more damning, think of the teams where Flacco is clearly the better guy -- Detroit, Cleveland (with Anderson), and St. Louis (with Bulger being over the hill). That's it. Cincinnatti withotu Palmer is in worse shape as well, and maybe the Jets without (or with :lmao: Favre). But there are only a handful of teams that have clearly worse QBs than Flacco.I'd put him in the 20-26 range. Long-term? Heck, he might be top 3. Just not yet.
 
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