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Will America survive to see her 50th President take office? (1 Viewer)
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Koya
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What he said.Now, our 100th President? Historically, a very legitimate question. 200th President? Would have to say, unlikely at that point... maybe highly so.
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Insoxicated
Yep. And no hidden motive/agenda. Just an honest question. I'm not so sure, personally.
Koya
Footballguy
What do you think could happen in 25-50 years? Unless there is all out world nuclear holocaust, there is no way a nation this powerful takes THAT precipitous a fall. But, talk about 200 years, and you have a compounding of possible factors that could happen. 500, with the increasing pace of change in the world and more interdependence + possible ways to kill billions of people, would be hard to see the U.S. NOT change signficantly. At SOME point, there will be total world upheaval... I just dont expect it to change the U.S. that quickly.Yep. And no hidden motive/agenda. Just an honest question. I'm not so sure, personally.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
This is a legitimate question though..
I know many people have high hopes for Obama, BUT.. what if it just doesn't work.. what if his plan just sucks and he sucks and the country is just stagnating hard economically?
I'd say if things are doing WORSE in 4 years than they are now.. people may flat out not know where to turn... if the media has to start piling on Obama after his honeymoon period wears off.. we could be in dire straights.
I assume Icon is asking this question with the assumption that Obama fails and some type of world type war occurs and we get taken over.
Face it.. the fatter and less competent this nation gets, the more likely we are for a takeover
I know many people have high hopes for Obama, BUT.. what if it just doesn't work.. what if his plan just sucks and he sucks and the country is just stagnating hard economically?
I'd say if things are doing WORSE in 4 years than they are now.. people may flat out not know where to turn... if the media has to start piling on Obama after his honeymoon period wears off.. we could be in dire straights.
I assume Icon is asking this question with the assumption that Obama fails and some type of world type war occurs and we get taken over.
Face it.. the fatter and less competent this nation gets, the more likely we are for a takeover
Koya
Footballguy
All very true, but 50 years, and 25 years especially, is just too short a timeline considering the resources this nation has, along with our geographic advantage. How are they getting here to "take us over" ?
Koya
Footballguy
What rationale would have you think we have less than 50 years though?
They don't truly have to take us over, all they have to do is cause enough strife and our remaining prestige on the world stage is pretty much gone.
urbanhack
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Can you expand in this?
Koya
Footballguy
The question as I understood it was not whether the U.S. would remain the top dog, but rather "survive" at least in a similar state as is today. As long as we have our geographic reach, freedom and elections, we will by and large be surviving. A little oversimplified perhaps, but not so much as you'd think.Now, if half the nation secedes, or we lose Alaska and Hawaii along with the Southwest, ok, we are different. But aint happening in 50 years.
Corrupt politicians, general apathy, economy in the tank, and no real solution to the problem.
BobbyLayne
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World Draft, 2050
1.01 China
1.02 India
1.03 USA
1.01 China
1.02 India
1.03 USA
It could be a break-up from within. There are already signs of divisions between states - if things go really bad economically, I could see "wealthy" states refusing to subsidize "poor (or poorly run)" states over the next 25-50 years. There are other issues that will become more divisive in the near future - immigration and the growing hispanic population for instance.
Koya
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(1) No more or less than ever, and the process is in fact more transparent on many levels due to the level of information available nowadays along with the internet + watchdog groups.(2) I think we are less apathetic now than we have been for some time.(3) It's been worse. We had an unprecedented period of growth. We have structural corrections, some of which are 50+ yesrs old occuring now. We will hurt, and we will eventually get out of it. (4) Time heals all wounds. We will get over this. It's not the freakin end of the world. Its a bad recession. Nut up, people.
Koya
Footballguy
All very valid points.Not in 50 years though.
urbanhack
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You are the most pessimistic and forlorn christian I've ever come across.
Koya
Footballguy
I would buy into that. But China very well has some internal upheavels in her future, unless the economy is just so damn good there that everyone is allowed to flourish. India, almost without question, unless once again, internal conflicts (and she has plenty) come to a head.Much as people talk about internal division etc, we are a two sides to one party state that will lose out to the above to economically if nothing else is taken into consideration, but I think you'd have to label our internal stability as far higher than either for a 40 year horizon.
PC Load Letter
Irregardless.
Assuming we survive 12/21/12, yes, America will still be here.
However China will be the strongest nation on the planet economically.
However China will be the strongest nation on the planet economically.
We went from nothing in 1776 to the full lower-48 land mass in 75 years - the fall could be equally as swift.It will probably take a cataclysmic event - or severe economic upheaval - but neither are outside the realm of possibilities in the next 50 years.
Link
I simply see a collection of problems in the country. By no means does that make me a pessimist, it simply makes me observant. I want to see a nation where my (future) kids can grow up to be strong people, but I'm increasingly doubting that this nation will be the nation I need.
Koya
Footballguy
I don't think you can really compare the growth of the U.S. in a Colonial to pre-Industrial revolution era to our potential demise in that short a time frame. Although, even at 100 years I think you have a LOT more chance as compared to 50.And sure, if there is a cataclysmic event, then you have a far better chance at change here (and everywhere). So, then you are not betting on the U.S. to fall so much as the world just go through an utter shock, with a lot of fallout.
It will probably take a cataclysmic event - or severe economic upheaval - but neither are outside the realm of possibilities in the next 50 years.
Link
packertazman
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If you quit posting questions on message boards, and get to work instead, we have a much better chance.
Koya
Footballguy
Today, we elected a Black President - with immense approval ratings as compared to others going into office.60 years ago, that same black man would be drinking from a colored only fountain, without the right to vote.100 or so years ago women couldnt vote.Now, go back 30 years - you have to admit that opportunities did not exist in the workplace etc. for many people, as they do today. Also, what about the growing commonalities in the U.S. - we are becoming a bland reproduction of each other in every town, city - accross regions. We all watch the same TV, most eat at the same restaurants. People are travelling and moving around more and more. The divisions between north, south, east, west, are less than they ever have been. I mean, go to the south 50 years ago... we are more strained today?
Koya
Footballguy
I think when it finally does splinter, you are correct - but I do believe the foundation for that quick fall takes at least two decades, and likely more like 5 or more. Especially when you have a foudnation as solid as ours (and ugly as it is today, we have a huge competitive advantage for the next 50 or so years, face it).
Yes, we've made wonderful progress in those areas, but despite that progress, people simply are unable to get along well. People generally will not live next to another group that is different from them if they can help it, and this problem is very widespread. As for commonalities, familiarity breeds contempt, and it's a matter of time before people start wanting something new.But this isn't why I don't think this nation is living on borrowed time. It has to deal with the problems at almost every level of government, and the utter lack of apathy on the part of people. Sure, they get all excited when there's a new President, but the vast majority of people don't care enough about issues to realize that it is the people who are supposed to be in charge, not the oligarchy we have in offices nationwide. But corruption is very widespread, in my opinion. It's just the ones that are dumb enough to get caught that make the news.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
A lot of countries despise the US but currently recognize two things:
1) We are militarily too strong to risk attacking.
2) Our economy is too important to the rest of the world.
But if the US and world economy crumbles (and it certainly could be moving in that direction) and we get a president/congress that significantly weakens our military, I could see a few countries that might decide that they've had enough of the US.
Could that happen in the next 25-50 years? I don't see why not.
1) We are militarily too strong to risk attacking.
2) Our economy is too important to the rest of the world.
But if the US and world economy crumbles (and it certainly could be moving in that direction) and we get a president/congress that significantly weakens our military, I could see a few countries that might decide that they've had enough of the US.
Could that happen in the next 25-50 years? I don't see why not.
Flying V
Footballguy
I'd consider that a strength.Seriously though, the Depression made for a very strong young generation. This economic crisis may be a blessing in disquise. I predict kids are going to have learn to work for what they get out of life rather than Mom & Dad catering to their every need.
Serenity Now
Footballguy
While China is "hot" right now, their social problems are going to explode on them during this generation. The unintended consequence of their "1 child per family" rule is that their schools are filled with roughly 75% boys. As these boys/men approach marrying age, they're finding that there are no eligible women to marry.
Fennis
Footballguy
China has other issues as well. Outside the cities they have serious poverty. There is tension between cities and the countryside. They have a population resistant to any change to the government structure and any moves to further remove government assitance, pensions are not tolerated.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
These dudes are set... they'll get to being into MMORPG's for life and won't have to do stupid crap like goto couple's showers and spend money on stupid diamonds and fancy comforters.The chicks there are going to be some big time prima donna's...
Zow
Footballguy
2012 baby
MaddHatter
Footballguy
America as some globalist/elite state, yes.
America as the Constitution intends, no.
America as the Constitution intends, no.
bentley
Footballguy
This isn't happening. Yellowstone volcanoes are going to get us all. 44 presidents for us I say.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
He's certainly giving it his best shot, isn't he?
Happy Ragnarok
Footballguy
Hasn't there been buzz about a North American Union ever since the European Union took off? I would think a merging of interests with foreign powers would be more likely than an out and out dismantling within the 50 year timeframe. Not sure whether I'd consider that "America in its present form" or not.
I don't think the Amero's right around the corner or anything, but I suppose I see that as a greater likelihood than Yellowstone blowing us off the map.
I don't think the Amero's right around the corner or anything, but I suppose I see that as a greater likelihood than Yellowstone blowing us off the map.
Mr Capicollo
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