Will Antonio Brown be suspended? (1 Viewer)

[zed2283]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152810481885809&fref=nf

 

[davper]

If you watch the slow motion replay, very carefully, one frame at a time...

...You can clearly see that Brown did not actually make contact with the kicker. It was actually a second gunman on the grassy knoll that took out the kicker.

1st gunman causes the kicker to fall back and the 2nd gunman, with a head shot forces the head back that it looks like Brown kicked him.

Obama just gave a press conference and said that the Refs acted stupidly in throwing the flag and ordered a beer summit.

 

[comfortably numb]

Pretty dissapointed Goodell hasn't issued any further punishment on this.

I get he will have his hands tied with the Rice stuff again but Brown should not be in uniform this weekend

It hasn't even been 24 hours yet!

There is no way to know if it was intentional and Brown has zero history of unsportsmanship conduct. My guess is that he gets a fine but with Goodell you never know -- he might not get any further action to a multiple week suspension.

I've watched hundreds of Antonio Brown games and practices.

I have seen him hurdle players at a higher distance.

His combine vertical jump was 33.5". When you factor in a running start he could easily clear 4'

I expect Goodell to piggyback on the domestic abuse issues of Ray Rice and come down hard on Brown trying to intentionally hurt a fellow player.

That's ridiculous. The two incidents have nothing to do with each other.

Together of course not, but on their own it's just another black eye in the acceptable violence being tolerated by Goodell in the NFL

He could have caused a severe concussion with his irresponsible actions.

2 game minimum and wouldn't be surprised to see the NFL impose a no hurdling rule soon.

 

[3C's]

Pretty dissapointed Goodell hasn't issued any further punishment on this.

I get he will have his hands tied with the Rice stuff again but Brown should not be in uniform this weekend

It hasn't even been 24 hours yet!

There is no way to know if it was intentional and Brown has zero history of unsportsmanship conduct. My guess is that he gets a fine but with Goodell you never know -- he might not get any further action to a multiple week suspension.

I've watched hundreds of Antonio Brown games and practices.

I have seen him hurdle players at a higher distance.

His combine vertical jump was 33.5". When you factor in a running start he could easily clear 4'

I expect Goodell to piggyback on the domestic abuse issues of Ray Rice and come down hard on Brown trying to intentionally hurt a fellow player.

That's ridiculous. The two incidents have nothing to do with each other.

Together of course not, but on their own it's just another black eye in the acceptable violence being tolerated by Goodell in the NFL

He could have caused a severe concussion with his irresponsible actions.

2 game minimum and wouldn't be surprised to see the NFL impose a no hurdling rule soon.

that was weird

 

[joffer]

FBI investigation has commenced. Don't rule out Guantanamo

 

[jon_mx]

Mike Pereira -- (Former Vice President of Officiating in the National Football League. Current Rules Analyst at FOX Sports)

https://twitter.com/MikePereira/status/508684672876822529

"For those asking more about the Brown video, it's so unusual I'm surprised they even called it let alone ejecting him. He wont be suspended."

i had to look up what they called, like what penalty covers that?

illegal foot to the face?

The only thing he was guilty of is letting the kicker prevent a TD.

He is also guilty of displaying one of the most bizarre leaps in NFL history.

The Billy Sims one I linked to earlier was far better executed.

 

[Freelove]

Surely the inevitable suspension announcement should be looming, right?

Just deciding if it's rest-of-the-season or lifetime?

 

[MattFancy]

Surely the inevitable suspension announcement should be looming, right?

Just deciding if it's rest-of-the-season or lifetime?

Could be indefinite. The NFL only uses indefinite if they have video. Since there's video evidence of this, Brown could be gone for awhile.

 

[TheFanatic]

Pretty dissapointed Goodell hasn't issued any further punishment on this.

I get he will have his hands tied with the Rice stuff again but Brown should not be in uniform this weekend

Why would Goodell punish him? It sure looked to me like Antonio leaped too soon, and it was an accident. Even the guy he came down on thinks the same thing.

Not if the guy had continued to move toward him rather than moving back. Kickers...

 

[DoubleG]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152810481885809&fref=nf

OMG.

Awesome. Simply Awesome. I wish I could like this post 1000 times. lol

 

[ghostguy123]

Jesus no he shouldnt be suspended and this is a browns fan saying this.

He tried to hurdle the kicker and mid jump realized he couldnt so he kicked him in the face in what looked like trying to defend his vulnerable position on the air with his leg out.

He definitely tried to kick him, but no way that thought entered his head till about 1/100th of a second before he actually did it.

I suppose it made sense to flag him for it. People get flagged for accidental personal fouls all the time like facemasks and hit where they cant avoid a helmet to helmet. This is really no different except that is was very unique and pretty funny.

 

[jon_mx]

Surely the inevitable suspension announcement should be looming, right?

Just deciding if it's rest-of-the-season or lifetime?

Could be indefinite. The NFL only uses indefinite if they have video. Since there's video evidence of this, Brown could be gone for awhile.

Yes, but are we sure the NFL has seen the video?

 

[dparker713]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

 

[jon_mx]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

Can you quote the rule that he allegedly broke? This is not soccer.

 

[dparker713]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

Can you quote the rule that he allegedly broke? This is not soccer.

Can you quote the rule that Albert Haynesworth broke with Andre Gurode?

 

[Leonidas]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

 

[dparker713]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

Intent doesn't matter in helmet to helmet hits. Shouldn't matter here either.

 

[joffer]

We lock this guy up yet?

 

[theplayer11]

a cheap punk move..a lost some respect for him..but not suspension worthy.

 

[th3f00l]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

Intent doesn't matter in helmet to helmet hits. Shouldn't matter here either.

There is no Helmet to Helmet penalty for the ball carrier

 

[3C's]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

Intent doesn't matter in helmet to helmet hits. Shouldn't matter here either.

You didn't quite answer the question. Rephrase: How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense?

 

[3C's]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

Intent doesn't matter in helmet to helmet hits. Shouldn't matter here either.

There is no Helmet to Helmet penalty for the ball carrier

Right, this isn't a defenseless receiver situation. A ball carrier or defender are not penalized for helmet to helmet contact. Neither was Brown. He was penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct. And that is debatable.

 

[dparker713]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

Intent doesn't matter in helmet to helmet hits. Shouldn't matter here either.

You didn't quite answer the question. Rephrase: How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense?

I've no idea. I'm guessing none since you're insistent on it. Of course, helmet to helmet hits had been a part of the game for years. Kicking someone in the face has never been a part of the game, so there is no reason why the punishments should be identical.

 

[dparker713]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

Intent doesn't matter in helmet to helmet hits. Shouldn't matter here either.

There is no Helmet to Helmet penalty for the ball carrier

Right, this isn't a defenseless receiver situation. A ball carrier or defender are not penalized for helmet to helmet contact. Neither was Brown. He was penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct. And that is debatable.

I fail to see how categorizing kicking an opponent in the head as unsportsmanlike conduct is debatable.

 

[3C's]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

Intent doesn't matter in helmet to helmet hits. Shouldn't matter here either.

You didn't quite answer the question. Rephrase: How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense?

I've no idea. I'm guessing none since you're insistent on it. Of course, helmet to helmet hits had been a part of the game for years. Kicking someone in the face has never been a part of the game, so there is no reason why the punishments should be identical.

So now you're "moving the goal post" from helmet to helmet hits to kicking someone in the face?

 

[dparker713]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

Intent doesn't matter in helmet to helmet hits. Shouldn't matter here either.

You didn't quite answer the question. Rephrase: How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense?

I've no idea. I'm guessing none since you're insistent on it. Of course, helmet to helmet hits had been a part of the game for years. Kicking someone in the face has never been a part of the game, so there is no reason why the punishments should be identical.

So now you're "moving the goal post" from helmet to helmet hits to kicking someone in the face?

Not at all. I've shown that when deciding to discipline players for on the field conduct, intent does not need to be proved. So why would Brown's play require his intent to kick/injure the opposing player? Answer: It doesn't

But somehow you guys seem to think that means that the NFL needs to use the same penalties as helmet to helmet hits. If Goodell has proven anything, its that the NFL can mete out whatever punishment they want.

 

[3C's]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

Intent doesn't matter in helmet to helmet hits. Shouldn't matter here either.

You didn't quite answer the question. Rephrase: How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense?

I've no idea. I'm guessing none since you're insistent on it. Of course, helmet to helmet hits had been a part of the game for years. Kicking someone in the face has never been a part of the game, so there is no reason why the punishments should be identical.

So now you're "moving the goal post" from helmet to helmet hits to kicking someone in the face?

Not at all. I've shown that when deciding to discipline players for on the field conduct, intent does not need to be proved. So why would Brown's play require his intent to kick/injure the opposing player? Answer: It doesn't

But somehow you guys seem to think that means that the NFL needs to use the same penalties as helmet to helmet hits. If Goodell has proven anything, its that the NFL can mete out whatever punishment they want.

Hint: look at the bold print. You are the one who brought up HTH in this particular exchange.

 

[dparker713]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

Intent doesn't matter in helmet to helmet hits. Shouldn't matter here either.

You didn't quite answer the question. Rephrase: How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense?

I've no idea. I'm guessing none since you're insistent on it. Of course, helmet to helmet hits had been a part of the game for years. Kicking someone in the face has never been a part of the game, so there is no reason why the punishments should be identical.

So now you're "moving the goal post" from helmet to helmet hits to kicking someone in the face?

Not at all. I've shown that when deciding to discipline players for on the field conduct, intent does not need to be proved. So why would Brown's play require his intent to kick/injure the opposing player? Answer: It doesn't

But somehow you guys seem to think that means that the NFL needs to use the same penalties as helmet to helmet hits. If Goodell has proven anything, its that the NFL can mete out whatever punishment they want.

Hint: look at the bold print. You are the one who brought up HTH in this particular exchange.

Hint: Using analogous situations isn't "moving the goalposts"

 

[Leonidas]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

Intent doesn't matter in helmet to helmet hits. Shouldn't matter here either.

You didn't quite answer the question. Rephrase: How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense?

I've no idea. I'm guessing none since you're insistent on it. Of course, helmet to helmet hits had been a part of the game for years. Kicking someone in the face has never been a part of the game, so there is no reason why the punishments should be identical.

So now you're "moving the goal post" from helmet to helmet hits to kicking someone in the face?

Not at all. I've shown that when deciding to discipline players for on the field conduct, intent does not need to be proved. So why would Brown's play require his intent to kick/injure the opposing player? Answer: It doesn't

But somehow you guys seem to think that means that the NFL needs to use the same penalties as helmet to helmet hits. If Goodell has proven anything, its that the NFL can mete out whatever punishment they want.

YOU brought up helmet to helmet hits.

Didn't work out very well for you though.

 

[dparker713]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

Intent doesn't matter in helmet to helmet hits. Shouldn't matter here either.

You didn't quite answer the question. Rephrase: How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense?

I've no idea. I'm guessing none since you're insistent on it. Of course, helmet to helmet hits had been a part of the game for years. Kicking someone in the face has never been a part of the game, so there is no reason why the punishments should be identical.

So now you're "moving the goal post" from helmet to helmet hits to kicking someone in the face?

Not at all. I've shown that when deciding to discipline players for on the field conduct, intent does not need to be proved. So why would Brown's play require his intent to kick/injure the opposing player? Answer: It doesn't

But somehow you guys seem to think that means that the NFL needs to use the same penalties as helmet to helmet hits. If Goodell has proven anything, its that the NFL can mete out whatever punishment they want.

YOU brought up helmet to helmet hits.

Didn't work out very well for you though.

How so? Did someone refute anything I wrote? Does the NFL require intent to suspend a player for a dangerous on field action? Does the NFL have consistent discipline for all offenses/offenders? About the only thing that didn't work out well for me was relying on the reading comprehension skills of others. Lesson learned.

 

[T with T]

NO he won't next......

 

[Freelove]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

Intent doesn't matter in helmet to helmet hits. Shouldn't matter here either.

There is no Helmet to Helmet penalty for the ball carrier

Right, this isn't a defenseless receiver situation. A ball carrier or defender are not penalized for helmet to helmet contact. Neither was Brown. He was penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct. And that is debatable.

I fail to see how categorizing kicking an opponent in the head as unsportsmanlike conduct is debatable.

What debate? He and his team were penalized.

That's not what this wishful witch hunt is about. It's about the absurd hope that a player you don't like will be suspended for no apparent reason. (Which, clearly, he will not.)

Specific standards came into existence for helmet to helmet hits for very precise and news-driven reasons. When you have a rock-hard weapon that you can drive into an opponent's skull with the full force of your body and its inherent momentum, it's been shown conclusively that risk of brain injury goes through the roof. Which is precisely the black eye the league hopes to avoid at a time when concussions and head trauma are huge and ugly news items.

There are no such standards for raised cleats, because even though the play looks dramatic, the force with which the guy's head is being impacted isn't anywhere near in the same universe. If black belts who are able to leverage their raised feet into cement-block breaking force levels start front kicking their way through defenses, then the NFL will have to re-evaluate. But for this? Brown pretty much pushed the guy down with his foot. It was comical, it was inappropriate, and it was entirely deserving of the on-field penalty it garnered.

It was also ludicrous from the start to imagine that it would be held to the same standards of punishment as concussive helmet to helmet hits.

 

[skinsrule05]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

Intent doesn't matter in helmet to helmet hits. Shouldn't matter here either.

You didn't quite answer the question. Rephrase: How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense?

I've no idea. I'm guessing none since you're insistent on it. Of course, helmet to helmet hits had been a part of the game for years. Kicking someone in the face has never been a part of the game, so there is no reason why the punishments should be identical.

So now you're "moving the goal post" from helmet to helmet hits to kicking someone in the face?

Not at all. I've shown that when deciding to discipline players for on the field conduct, intent does not need to be proved. So why would Brown's play require his intent to kick/injure the opposing player? Answer: It doesn't

But somehow you guys seem to think that means that the NFL needs to use the same penalties as helmet to helmet hits. If Goodell has proven anything, its that the NFL can mete out whatever punishment they want.

Hint: look at the bold print. You are the one who brought up HTH in this particular exchange.

That is beyond awesome. It is a shame when your argument is so easily proven wrong because it is right there in print. Now if we had a video of dparker actually typing it then he could be suspended.

 

[MIMN]

This is not even coming close to the "The NFL needs to suspend X player immediately" threads from the past. I think Tom Brady was my favorite. This just doesn't seem to have the legs (or cleats) because not enough people hate Brown for beating their favorite team year after year.

 

[ClevelandRocks]

I'd venture to say there won't be a suspension. As mentioned before I've seen alot worse.

BUT if for some reason he were to be, id be pretty excited to see Wheaton with those targets.....LOL

 

[Godsbrother]

I'd venture to say there won't be a suspension. As mentioned before I've seen alot worse.

BUT if for some reason he were to be, id be pretty excited to see Wheaton with those targets.....LOL

Lance Moore, Martavis Bryant and Dri Archer are all expected to miss tonight. Wheaton should get a lot of targets tonight.

 

[meatwad1]

lol at all the hand wringing over nothing here.....if any of you pay attention to the news, you would understand that the Commish is pretty busy this week covering his butt. Not really much time to think about this situation, which is pretty much nothing any way you cut it.

 

[dparker713]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

Intent doesn't matter in helmet to helmet hits. Shouldn't matter here either.

You didn't quite answer the question. Rephrase: How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense?

I've no idea. I'm guessing none since you're insistent on it. Of course, helmet to helmet hits had been a part of the game for years. Kicking someone in the face has never been a part of the game, so there is no reason why the punishments should be identical.

So now you're "moving the goal post" from helmet to helmet hits to kicking someone in the face?

Not at all. I've shown that when deciding to discipline players for on the field conduct, intent does not need to be proved. So why would Brown's play require his intent to kick/injure the opposing player? Answer: It doesn't

But somehow you guys seem to think that means that the NFL needs to use the same penalties as helmet to helmet hits. If Goodell has proven anything, its that the NFL can mete out whatever punishment they want.

Hint: look at the bold print. You are the one who brought up HTH in this particular exchange.

That is beyond awesome. It is a shame when your argument is so easily proven wrong because it is right there in print. Now if we had a video of dparker actually typing it then he could be suspended.

It must be sad having a brain that works this poorly.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Have to say Brown picked the exact right week to kung-fu his way to a punt return.

 

[jon_mx]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

Intent doesn't matter in helmet to helmet hits. Shouldn't matter here either.

There is no Helmet to Helmet penalty for the ball carrier

Right, this isn't a defenseless receiver situation. A ball carrier or defender are not penalized for helmet to helmet contact. Neither was Brown. He was penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct. And that is debatable.

I fail to see how categorizing kicking an opponent in the head as unsportsmanlike conduct is debatable.

Kicking as defined as unneccesary roughness states, "striking an opponent anywhere with the foot or any part of the leg with a whipping motion", which in this case there was no whipping motion. The penalty is kind of open-ended since it states specific actions but also says it is not limited it to those. The play was an unfortunate incident of one foodball player trying to avoid being tackled. No fine or suspension is warranted unless there were malicious intent, which I see no evidence of.

 

[dparker713]

No fine or suspension is warranted unless there were malicious intent, which I see no evidence of.

You're adding in intent as an element of the offense where it just isn't required. That's what you may want the standard to be, but that's not the standard.

 

[B-Deep]

i refuse to believe there is a single person that actually thinks brown should be suspended, this is clearly a giant fishing expedition

 

[Da Guru]

i refuse to believe there is a single person that actually thinks brown should be suspended, this is clearly a giant fishing expedition

Nobody is going to be suspended this week. Goodell is way too busy trying to squash the Sugar Ray Rice scandal.

 

[zed2283]

Fined $8,200.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I'm sure we could pool together $8200 a week to see someone spartan kicked in the face.

 

[Sinn Fein]

people calling for suspension need to watch the replay again but focus on the punter instead of brown. he crouched down for a low tackle but fell backwards instead of executing the tackle. all before the face kick occurred. its pretty obvious this was incidental

I'm curious why Brown's intent matters at all. Defender intent doesn't matter for helmet to helmet hits. It was a dangerous play and its the act, not the intention, that is the problem.

How many players have been suspended for helmet to helmet hits on the first offense with no injury and no apparent intent?

Intent doesn't matter in helmet to helmet hits. Shouldn't matter here either.

There is no Helmet to Helmet penalty for the ball carrier

Right, this isn't a defenseless receiver situation. A ball carrier or defender are not penalized for helmet to helmet contact. Neither was Brown. He was penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct. And that is debatable.

I fail to see how categorizing kicking an opponent in the head as unsportsmanlike conduct is debatable.

Kicking as defined as unneccesary roughness states, "striking an opponent anywhere with the foot or any part of the leg with a whipping motion", which in this case there was no whipping motion. The penalty is kind of open-ended since it states specific actions but also says it is not limited it to those. The play was an unfortunate incident of one foodball player trying to avoid being tackled. No fine or suspension is warranted unless there were malicious intent, which I see no evidence of.

Punctuation is your friend:

"striking an opponent anywhere with the foot or any part of the leg with a whipping motion" <> "striking an opponent anywhere with the foot, or any part of the leg, with a whipping motion"

 

[fire_tune]

Ravens declared RCB Lardarius Webb, WR Michael Campanaro, WR Deonte Thompson, OT Jah Reid, OG John Urschel, DL Christo Bilukidi and LB Arthur Brown inactive for Week 2 against the Steelers.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5331/lardarius-webb

 

[msudaisy26]

We lock this guy up yet?

No, he was deported. I dropped him in all my leagues

 

[msudaisy26]

I'm sure we could pool together $8200 a week to see someone spartan kicked in the face.

I am in for 20, but only if every week we get to have a poll to pick either the player that gets kicked or the player doing the kicking, not both I want a little suspense.

Edit: This week my vote is for Cam Newton for that stupid presser