Will Brady Quinn sign for what he'll be "slotted" for? (1 Viewer)

[Chase Stuart]

Everyone is assuming that the Browns get Quinn for cheap, but I'm not so sure about that. The Browns do have a starting QB right now, but I don't see a ton of leverage here. Browns nation is ga-ga over Brady, and Cleveland has already given up their number one pick for next year. If Quinn wants to hold out for top ten money, what will stop him? And this isn't an Eli situation where being in NY will help; Quinn will probably be marketed less in the pros than he was in college. Cleveland isn't exactly a media hotbed, and he'll never be more than the number two star in the city, anyway.

I know Leinart's deal included a good bit of incentives. Remember, Leinart lost a ton of money on draft day, and turned out to be the last rookie to sign. I think Quinn might be the last one in, as well.

 

[BigTex]

If he wasn't before he should be humbled.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

I think he'll be paid slightly higher than the 22 slot. Probably 16-20 range.

I think he'll be in before camp, eager to endear himself further to the Cleveland fans, win the starter job and prove to a lot of doubters...

I think he'll have some decent incentives in his contract...which could elevate him to top 10

 

[amnesiac]

he'll hold out for a little while, but i think something will get done fairly quickly.

he'll probably get a deal with pretty decent incentives, most likely based on games started.

 

[KING]

who cares what he gets paid. that should be between him, that hot blonde girlfriend, and the IRS.

 

[Bobcat10]

I think he'll be paid slightly higher than the 22 slot. Probably 16-20 range.I think he'll be in before camp, eager to endear himself further to the Cleveland fans, win the starter job and prove to a lot of doubters...I think he'll have some decent incentives in his contract...which could elevate him to top 10

Pretty much what I'd say, although he might miss about a week of camp.

 

[Jason Wood]

I think this will be a classic case of incentives and whether they are classified as "likely to be earned." If Quinn is in camp on time, he is likely going to start at least half the season [if not more]. I'm not sure how the NFL classifies LTBE incentives as it relates to playing time, but I would be shocked if Quinn's final 2007 compensation doesn't amount to much more than what the other people in the middle of round 1 earn.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I think he'll be paid slightly higher than the 22 slot. Probably 16-20 range.

Same here. Isn't there a generally recognized QB premium?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

who cares what he gets paid. that should be between him, that hot mediocre blonde girlfriend, and the IRS.

 

[WhoDat]

I recall him making a comment about A. Rodgers; Rodgers' free fall and making a statement that was not going to happen to him (Quinn) and, then, laughing. Kobler was conducting the interview. This was right after Thomas went off the board.

They say hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Karma can be a pretty big (blank) when she wants, as witnessed this weekend, and I really hope Quinn learned something Saturday about humility, lack thereof and himself.

I'd say the Browns will have no problem getting him slotted and signed. If that kid holds out or is instructed to hold out, then he learned nothing this weekend.

 

[Sammy3469]

I think this will be a classic case of incentives and whether they are classified as "likely to be earned." If Quinn is in camp on time, he is likely going to start at least half the season [if not more]. I'm not sure how the NFL classifies LTBE incentives as it relates to playing time, but I would be shocked if Quinn's final 2007 compensation doesn't amount to much more than what the other people in the middle of round 1 earn.

Totally agree...I have a feeling both sides are going to want a fairly creative deal that'' give Quinn some upside (especially in years 3,4, and 5) if he turns into a franchise QB. How those incentives get classified, I have no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if he reached them that it would bump his salary up to top 10 range. I also have a feeling that both sides will settle on some sort of thing fairly quickly to capitalize on whatever goodwill was created this weekend. Quinn already has 6 endorsement deals so he has every reason to keep up the goodwill his fall created.

 

[Jason Wood]

I recall him making a comment about A. Rodgers; Rodgers' free fall and making a statement that was not going to happen to him (Quinn) and, then, laughing. Kobler was conducting the interview. This was right after Thomas went off the board.

They say hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Karma can be a pretty big (blank) when she wants, as witnessed this weekend, and I really hope Quinn learned something Saturday about humility, lack thereof and himself.

I'd say the Browns will have no problem getting him slotted and signed. If that kid holds out or is instructed to hold out, then he learned nothing this weekend.

Quite the contrary, in my view. Nothing I saw from Brady Quinn's demeanor on Saturday suggested he is anything other than a really mature, balanced guy. Honestly, how many prospects would've had the ability to laugh at themselves and speak candidly about their situation? The ESPN crew tracked him down in the Commissioner's Suite and he answered Suzie's questions with a smile on his face. He was honest when saying he didn't expect the draft to turn out that way [and why should he have expected it, no one else did?]

He was humble when he said that it's not about what he thinks should happen but what the teams think [i believe his exact quote was that it's not his draft, but the teams' draft]

He didn't make some juvenile "I'll show them!" declaration or pretend like getting picked 22nd wasn't a disappointment

Putting aside whether Quinn is going to be a franchise NFL QB, I think he's clearly got the maturity needed of a team leader.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

who cares what he gets paid. that should be between him, that hot mediocre blonde girlfriend, and the IRS.

Lindy Slinger?

 

[Chase Stuart]

I recall him making a comment about A. Rodgers; Rodgers' free fall and making a statement that was not going to happen to him (Quinn) and, then, laughing. Kobler was conducting the interview. This was right after Thomas went off the board.

They say hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Karma can be a pretty big (blank) when she wants, as witnessed this weekend, and I really hope Quinn learned something Saturday about humility, lack thereof and himself.

I'd say the Browns will have no problem getting him slotted and signed. If that kid holds out or is instructed to hold out, then he learned nothing this weekend.

Quite the contrary, in my view. Nothing I saw from Brady Quinn's demeanor on Saturday suggested he is anything other than a really mature, balanced guy. Honestly, how many prospects would've had the ability to laugh at themselves and speak candidly about their situation? The ESPN crew tracked him down in the Commissioner's Suite and he answered Suzie's questions with a smile on his face. He was honest when saying he didn't expect the draft to turn out that way [and why should he have expected it, no one else did?]

He was humble when he said that it's not about what he thinks should happen but what the teams think [i believe his exact quote was that it's not his draft, but the teams' draft]

He didn't make some juvenile "I'll show them!" declaration or pretend like getting picked 22nd wasn't a disappointment

Putting aside whether Quinn is going to be a franchise NFL QB, I think he's clearly got the maturity needed of a team leader.

All true, but he did smirk at the "Cleveland sucks" chants right after they selected Joe Thomas.

 

[KING]

i think everyone is missing the real question. bob dylan, or manfred mann, who stands to make more? my guess is dylan

 

[WhoDat]

I recall him making a comment about A. Rodgers; Rodgers' free fall and making a statement that was not going to happen to him (Quinn) and, then, laughing. Kobler was conducting the interview. This was right after Thomas went off the board.

They say hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Karma can be a pretty big (blank) when she wants, as witnessed this weekend, and I really hope Quinn learned something Saturday about humility, lack thereof and himself.

I'd say the Browns will have no problem getting him slotted and signed. If that kid holds out or is instructed to hold out, then he learned nothing this weekend.

Quite the contrary, in my view. Nothing I saw from Brady Quinn's demeanor on Saturday suggested he is anything other than a really mature, balanced guy. Honestly, how many prospects would've had the ability to laugh at themselves and speak candidly about their situation? The ESPN crew tracked him down in the Commissioner's Suite and he answered Suzie's questions with a smile on his face. He was honest when saying he didn't expect the draft to turn out that way [and why should he have expected it, no one else did?]

He was humble when he said that it's not about what he thinks should happen but what the teams think [i believe his exact quote was that it's not his draft, but the teams' draft]

He didn't make some juvenile "I'll show them!" declaration or pretend like getting picked 22nd wasn't a disappointment

Putting aside whether Quinn is going to be a franchise NFL QB, I think he's clearly got the maturity needed of a team leader.

Once the free fall started, yes, he handled it well. His initial comment after Thomas was picked, though, was what stuck out to me. I would never wish ill will on a kid that age. Never. I just thought how he fielded that one question was a little too brash. No reason to bring up and make reference to Rodgers and how that would most likely not happen to him. He has an opportunity to learn from what took place. He appears to have a strong character and it should not be a problem. As was mentioned, I agree and think Quinn and Co. are in camp...on time...with little contract problems to return some of the good faith the Browns and Savage have shown.

 

[AB in DC]

Remind me, who's his agent?

 

[Da Guru]

Quinn should sign for less than he is slotted for. Had the Browns not traded up he would have slid further.

 

[WhoDat]

Quinn should sign for less than he is sloted for. Had the Browns not traded up he would have slid further.

And I am sure Savage will remind Condon and Dogra of that fact. Even if the Chiefs took him at 23, for example, the Browns have already saved Quinn just a tad over $1 million in contract money.

 

[T Man]

My guess is that Quinn wants to be in camp on time so that he can truly compete for the starting position. Incentives can go a long way to getting some of the money back he thinks he lost.

My belief is that Quinn should be slotted and given a QB premium which would put him in the ballpark of the 12-16 overall picks.

BUT reality is that Condon is his agent. The man will throw it up that Cleveland considered him at #3 and he should therefore get top 10 money. He will try to base the contract talks on Leinart's deal. That will lead to a likely holdout - regardless of Quinn's desires.

 

[Da Guru]

If Quinn succeeds he will get his.

 

[AB in DC]

Quinn should sign for less than he is sloted for. Had the Browns not traded up he would have slid further.

And I am sure Savage will remind Condon and Dogra of that fact. Even if the Chiefs took him at 23, for example, the Browns have already saved Quinn just a tad over $1 million in contract money.

Do we know for sure that Dallas wasn't going to draft him without the trade?

 

[WhoDat]

Quinn should sign for less than he is sloted for. Had the Browns not traded up he would have slid further.

And I am sure Savage will remind Condon and Dogra of that fact. Even if the Chiefs took him at 23, for example, the Browns have already saved Quinn just a tad over $1 million in contract money.

Do we know for sure that Dallas wasn't going to draft him without the trade?

Great point but he would still have the same contract money. Whomever picks him at 22 has a contract just that much bigger than the Chiefs at 23.

 

[Jason Wood]

Tom Condon isn't fresh off the turnip truck; I don't think Quinn's contract is going to be an impediment as long as the Browns are intellectually honest with themselves. The guaranteed money likely won't be much more than what he'll be slotted for at 22, but the Browns DID draft him as their franchise QB and they need to be willing to layer in incentives [both likely to be earned and loftier ones] that allows Quinn to make NFL starter money without a big-time contract renegotiation.

 

[massraider]

Tom Condon isn't fresh off the turnip truck; I don't think Quinn's contract is going to be an impediment as long as the Browns are intellectually honest with themselves. The guaranteed money likely won't be much more than what he'll be slotted for at 22, but the Browns DID draft him as their franchise QB and they need to be willing to layer in incentives [both likely to be earned and loftier ones] that allows Quinn to make NFL starter money without a big-time contract renegotiation.

This isn't the first guy that slid in the draft. The Browns hold all the leverage here, what's Condon going to bring to negotiations, mock drafts?Agree about the incentives, perhaps some kind of void clause, but if this guy gets a contract with more 'real money' than people 2 or 3 slots in front of him, that'll be about be the ugliest precedent I could imagine. And Cleveland loves Quinn, now. If word gets out that he wants top 15 money, they'll turn on him quick. I don't remember too many Browns fans screaming for him at #3. In a blue collar town like that, I don't see too much sympathy for a kid complaining about signing a million dollar deal.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Tom Condon isn't fresh off the turnip truck; I don't think Quinn's contract is going to be an impediment as long as the Browns are intellectually honest with themselves. The guaranteed money likely won't be much more than what he'll be slotted for at 22, but the Browns DID draft him as their franchise QB and they need to be willing to layer in incentives [both likely to be earned and loftier ones] that allows Quinn to make NFL starter money without a big-time contract renegotiation.

This isn't the first guy that slid in the draft. The Browns hold all the leverage here, what's Condon going to bring to negotiations, mock drafts?Agree about the incentives, perhaps some kind of void clause, but if this guy gets a contract with more 'real money' than people 2 or 3 slots in front of him, that'll be about be the ugliest precedent I could imagine.

And Cleveland loves Quinn, now. If word gets out that he wants top 15 money, they'll turn on him quick. I don't remember too many Browns fans screaming for him at #3. In a blue collar town like that, I don't see too much sympathy for a kid complaining about signing a million dollar deal.

I'm not seeing this. If they don't sign Quinn, they will get serious egg on their face for throwing away a possible top 5 pick. I'm not saying the Browns have no leverage, but to say they have all the leverage is just plain inaccurate. Cleveland invested a high 2nd round pick and a high 1st round pick in this guy.

 

[Jason Wood]

Tom Condon isn't fresh off the turnip truck; I don't think Quinn's contract is going to be an impediment as long as the Browns are intellectually honest with themselves. The guaranteed money likely won't be much more than what he'll be slotted for at 22, but the Browns DID draft him as their franchise QB and they need to be willing to layer in incentives [both likely to be earned and loftier ones] that allows Quinn to make NFL starter money without a big-time contract renegotiation.

This isn't the first guy that slid in the draft. The Browns hold all the leverage here, what's Condon going to bring to negotiations, mock drafts?Agree about the incentives, perhaps some kind of void clause, but if this guy gets a contract with more 'real money' than people 2 or 3 slots in front of him, that'll be about be the ugliest precedent I could imagine.

And Cleveland loves Quinn, now. If word gets out that he wants top 15 money, they'll turn on him quick. I don't remember too many Browns fans screaming for him at #3. In a blue collar town like that, I don't see too much sympathy for a kid complaining about signing a million dollar deal.

I'm not seeing this. If they don't sign Quinn, they will get serious egg on their face for throwing away a possible top 5 pick. I'm not saying the Browns have no leverage, but to say they have all the leverage is just plain inaccurate. Cleveland invested a high 2nd round pick and a high 1st round pick in this guy.

Very true, not to mention Quinn is, financially, risking far less than a high 1st rounder would by threatening to hold out and go back into the draft in 2008. I don't think Quinn would even dream of such a threat, he's an Ohio guy after all, but Chase is right, Quinn has PLENTY of leverage.

 

[Bob Magaw]

this is similar in some ways to leinart, in that i'm pretty sure he got more than OG would at 1.10... with escalators (based on games started, as noted by jason), i think he will make quite a bit more than whoever was taken near him at 1.09 & 1.11...

so there is that precedent... better structural one is the boller deal where BAL gave up 1st in following year (PLUS) to secure their "starting QB of the future... not sure off the top of my head if his pay was in line with his draft "slot"...

if CLE gave up pick next year, there is no way to know in advance if it will be top 5-10... but whatever it is, it is money they don't have to pay... i'm guessing quinn's camp will want to see it that way (roll money they would have had to pay next year up into this one... certainly the team was OK with mortgaging 08 1st for ability to begin developing him right away instead of delaying grooming new QB for a year), & predictably CLE FO probably won't...

i could see him holding out & reporting late if he isn't compensated more in line with top 10 pick, based on said escalators based on games started...

who is to say where a player SHOULD have gone, though... the concept is a little speculative & pretentious... should steven jackson have held out for more money, because he SHOULD have gone higher (or LJ, or mcgahee)?

in the end, i guess you get what you can... CLE has leverage, but quinn is not without some himself... should be interesting...

 

[Da Guru]

Tom Condon isn't fresh off the turnip truck; I don't think Quinn's contract is going to be an impediment as long as the Browns are intellectually honest with themselves. The guaranteed money likely won't be much more than what he'll be slotted for at 22, but the Browns DID draft him as their franchise QB and they need to be willing to layer in incentives [both likely to be earned and loftier ones] that allows Quinn to make NFL starter money without a big-time contract renegotiation.

I agree, but it is what is it.Regardless of how they got him quinn was drafted at 22, and should be slotted at 22.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Quinn should sign for less than he is sloted for. Had the Browns not traded up he would have slid further.

And I am sure Savage will remind Condon and Dogra of that fact. Even if the Chiefs took him at 23, for example, the Browns have already saved Quinn just a tad over $1 million in contract money.

Do we know for sure that Dallas wasn't going to draft him without the trade?

Dallas had Spencer on their draft card and would have picked him there trade or not.

 

[massraider]

Tom Condon isn't fresh off the turnip truck; I don't think Quinn's contract is going to be an impediment as long as the Browns are intellectually honest with themselves. The guaranteed money likely won't be much more than what he'll be slotted for at 22, but the Browns DID draft him as their franchise QB and they need to be willing to layer in incentives [both likely to be earned and loftier ones] that allows Quinn to make NFL starter money without a big-time contract renegotiation.

This isn't the first guy that slid in the draft. The Browns hold all the leverage here, what's Condon going to bring to negotiations, mock drafts?Agree about the incentives, perhaps some kind of void clause, but if this guy gets a contract with more 'real money' than people 2 or 3 slots in front of him, that'll be about be the ugliest precedent I could imagine.

And Cleveland loves Quinn, now. If word gets out that he wants top 15 money, they'll turn on him quick. I don't remember too many Browns fans screaming for him at #3. In a blue collar town like that, I don't see too much sympathy for a kid complaining about signing a million dollar deal.

I'm not seeing this. If they don't sign Quinn, they will get serious egg on their face for throwing away a possible top 5 pick. I'm not saying the Browns have no leverage, but to say they have all the leverage is just plain inaccurate. Cleveland invested a high 2nd round pick and a high 1st round pick in this guy.

Who said anything about not signing Quinn? We are a long, long way from talking about that. And if this is his only leverage, threatening to sit out all year, then I stand by my statement that the Browns hold all the leverage. Yeah, the Browns would face a PR nightmare if they don't sign him. But Quinn goes back into the draft, and maybe he's the 2nd or 3rd or 4th best QB in next years draft. But this time he has the rep of being a guy that wants more than his slot calls for. Will he find a team next year willing to smash apart the rookie slotting system for him? I'm doubtful.

Sitting out the season should not be considered a reasonable option from Quinn and Condon. So to worry about how the Browns'll look if he sits out is far-fetched, IMO.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Sitting out the season should not be considered a reasonable option from Quinn and Condon. So to worry about how the Browns'll look if he sits out is far-fetched, IMO.

If I was Condon, I would say to the Browns that "spending a high 2nd round pick and a likely high 1st round pick on a guy" and then not paying him accordingly is far-fetched. Certainly he deserves a bit more than the normal 22nd pick, because the normal 22nd pick isn't worth a high first round pick and a high second round pick.

 

[massraider]

Sitting out the season should not be considered a reasonable option from Quinn and Condon. So to worry about how the Browns'll look if he sits out is far-fetched, IMO.

If I was Condon, I would say to the Browns that "spending a high 2nd round pick and a likely high 1st round pick on a guy" and then not paying him accordingly is far-fetched. Certainly he deserves a bit more than the normal 22nd pick, because the normal 22nd pick isn't worth a high first round pick and a high second round pick.

Phil Savage: "Tom, do you think Brady Quinn is the first guy to be acquired after a trade up?"There is precedent and history for all of this. What makes this situation unique?

 

[Demons]

Sitting out the season should not be considered a reasonable option from Quinn and Condon. So to worry about how the Browns'll look if he sits out is far-fetched, IMO.

If I was Condon, I would say to the Browns that "spending a high 2nd round pick and a likely high 1st round pick on a guy" and then not paying him accordingly is far-fetched. Certainly he deserves a bit more than the normal 22nd pick, because the normal 22nd pick isn't worth a high first round pick and a high second round pick.

Realistically, it will have to be in incentives that he earns his money. That is certainly better for the Browns than drafting a QB in the top 5 next year and having to give a huge chunk of guaranteed money. They only have so much money in rookie cap dollars to spend, and his bodyguard will need to get his money too. I think they place incentives and escalators that get them through the first four years, with some voidables after four years. He will be in camp on-time, unless the Browns don't stay flexible on the voidable years.

 

[FairWarning]

Everyone is assuming that the Browns get Quinn for cheap, but I'm not so sure about that. The Browns do have a starting QB right now, but I don't see a ton of leverage here. Browns nation is ga-ga over Brady, and Cleveland has already given up their number one pick for next year. If Quinn wants to hold out for top ten money, what will stop him? And this isn't an Eli situation where being in NY will help; Quinn will probably be marketed less in the pros than he was in college. Cleveland isn't exactly a media hotbed, and he'll never be more than the number two star in the city, anyway.I know Leinart's deal included a good bit of incentives. Remember, Leinart lost a ton of money on draft day, and turned out to be the last rookie to sign. I think Quinn might be the last one in, as well.

Cleveland's fans are in the top-5 in the league. He will get some serious marketing offers his way. For him to get these, he must sign early. He is the most marketable player in the draft. Many people couldn't pick any of the top-10 picks out of a lineup. How fast he signs depends on the slotting above him.

 

[Jason Wood]

Everyone is assuming that the Browns get Quinn for cheap, but I'm not so sure about that. The Browns do have a starting QB right now, but I don't see a ton of leverage here. Browns nation is ga-ga over Brady, and Cleveland has already given up their number one pick for next year. If Quinn wants to hold out for top ten money, what will stop him? And this isn't an Eli situation where being in NY will help; Quinn will probably be marketed less in the pros than he was in college. Cleveland isn't exactly a media hotbed, and he'll never be more than the number two star in the city, anyway.I know Leinart's deal included a good bit of incentives. Remember, Leinart lost a ton of money on draft day, and turned out to be the last rookie to sign. I think Quinn might be the last one in, as well.

Cleveland's fans are in the top-5 in the league. He will get some serious marketing offers his way. For him to get these, he must sign early. He is the most marketable player in the draft. Many people couldn't pick any of the top-10 picks out of a lineup. How fast he signs depends on the slotting above him.

Local marketing contracts are relatively de minimous compared to a national ad campaign, so I'm not sure what Cleveland's fans have to do with marketing dollars. Cleveland is a small media market, so by itself, it won't make much difference. Historically speaking, NFL players don't get the big marketing dollars of other athletes; although Peyton Manning is putting that to the test.

 

[Christo]

Won't giving him money higher than his draft slot "rock the boat" as far as other teams are concerend? If he signs for "15 or 16" money won't those actually drafted in those slots insist upon more money?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Won't giving him money higher than his draft slot "rock the boat" as far as other teams are concerend? If he signs for "15 or 16" money won't those actually drafted in those slots insist upon more money?

Really not Cleveland's problem. Especially if he's the last to sign.

 

[Da Guru]

Dion said to Quinn after he was selected "I am glad you got picked..but my man you lost alot of money"

Quinn "How can you lose money you never had. This is not about money for me"

After saying that I doubt Quinn will hold out.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Sitting out the season should not be considered a reasonable option from Quinn and Condon. So to worry about how the Browns'll look if he sits out is far-fetched, IMO.

If I was Condon, I would say to the Browns that "spending a high 2nd round pick and a likely high 1st round pick on a guy" and then not paying him accordingly is far-fetched. Certainly he deserves a bit more than the normal 22nd pick, because the normal 22nd pick isn't worth a high first round pick and a high second round pick.

Phil Savage: "Tom, do you think Brady Quinn is the first guy to be acquired after a trade up?"There is precedent and history for all of this. What makes this situation unique?

Surely you think Brady is going to be a future star in this league and much more valuable than say, Dwayne Bowe, right? (I'd argue for lots of money if he reaches XXX stats, but that is hard for me to do, since I can't imagine Quinn putting up any impressive numbers for a long time.)

 

[Chase Stuart]

Dion said to Quinn after he was selected "I am glad you got picked..but my man you lost alot of money"Quinn "How can you lose money you never had. This is not about money for me"After saying that I doubt Quinn will hold out.

It's not a one-way street. Quinn won't hold out if the Browns give him top 15 money.

 

[LHUCKS]

Tom Condon isn't fresh off the turnip truck; I don't think Quinn's contract is going to be an impediment as long as the Browns are intellectually honest with themselves. The guaranteed money likely won't be much more than what he'll be slotted for at 22, but the Browns DID draft him as their franchise QB and they need to be willing to layer in incentives [both likely to be earned and loftier ones] that allows Quinn to make NFL starter money without a big-time contract renegotiation.

Condon = Escalators

 

[massraider]

Won't giving him money higher than his draft slot "rock the boat" as far as other teams are concerend? If he signs for "15 or 16" money won't those actually drafted in those slots insist upon more money?

Really not Cleveland's problem. Especially if he's the last to sign.

Throwing the draft slotting system out the window becomes a problem for every team, including Cleveland. Should Cleveland be overpaying for every player they trade up for?Part of the value of Quinn now is his price tag. If he turns into Rick mirer, they can cut the cord a lot quicker than the Raiders can.You know what the Browns are gonna say?"Here's your value, Brady: By getting drafted later, we can't sign you to a 6 year deal, you just hit free agency a year earlier."

 

[Chase Stuart]

Tom Condon isn't fresh off the turnip truck; I don't think Quinn's contract is going to be an impediment as long as the Browns are intellectually honest with themselves. The guaranteed money likely won't be much more than what he'll be slotted for at 22, but the Browns DID draft him as their franchise QB and they need to be willing to layer in incentives [both likely to be earned and loftier ones] that allows Quinn to make NFL starter money without a big-time contract renegotiation.

Condon = Escalators

Escalators make sense when you have a stud QB playing with two superstar receivers. Escalators don't make sense when you've got an average QB playing on a team that hasn't produced a good skilled position player since Jim Brown.

 

[Jason Wood]

Tom Condon isn't fresh off the turnip truck; I don't think Quinn's contract is going to be an impediment as long as the Browns are intellectually honest with themselves. The guaranteed money likely won't be much more than what he'll be slotted for at 22, but the Browns DID draft him as their franchise QB and they need to be willing to layer in incentives [both likely to be earned and loftier ones] that allows Quinn to make NFL starter money without a big-time contract renegotiation.

Condon = Escalators

Escalators make sense when you have a stud QB playing with two superstar receivers. Escalators don't make sense when you've got an average QB playing on a team that hasn't produced a good skilled position player since Jim Brown.

Kellen Winslow and Braylon Edwards aren't "good?"

 

[LHUCKS]

Tom Condon isn't fresh off the turnip truck; I don't think Quinn's contract is going to be an impediment as long as the Browns are intellectually honest with themselves. The guaranteed money likely won't be much more than what he'll be slotted for at 22, but the Browns DID draft him as their franchise QB and they need to be willing to layer in incentives [both likely to be earned and loftier ones] that allows Quinn to make NFL starter money without a big-time contract renegotiation.

Condon = Escalators

Escalators make sense when you have a stud QB playing with two superstar receivers. Escalators don't make sense when you've got an average QB playing on a team that hasn't produced a good skilled position player since Jim Brown.

So are you saying escalators aren't in the conversation? I would disagree.

 

[LHUCKS]

Tom Condon isn't fresh off the turnip truck; I don't think Quinn's contract is going to be an impediment as long as the Browns are intellectually honest with themselves. The guaranteed money likely won't be much more than what he'll be slotted for at 22, but the Browns DID draft him as their franchise QB and they need to be willing to layer in incentives [both likely to be earned and loftier ones] that allows Quinn to make NFL starter money without a big-time contract renegotiation.

Condon = Escalators

Escalators make sense when you have a stud QB playing with two superstar receivers. Escalators don't make sense when you've got an average QB playing on a team that hasn't produced a good skilled position player since Jim Brown.

Kellen Winslow and Braylon Edwards aren't "good?"

 

[Da Guru]

Dion said to Quinn after he was selected "I am glad you got picked..but my man you lost alot of money"Quinn "How can you lose money you never had. This is not about money for me"After saying that I doubt Quinn will hold out.

It's not a one-way street. Quinn won't hold out if the Browns give him top 15 money.

Why would you give top 15 money to the 22 pick? Pay him where he is slotted, then if he outperforms his contract..redo the deal.The problem is that most young QBs do not outperform their contract.

 

[*****]

Don't QBs usually get a premium on their slotted value in the first round? If so, the Browns can give him 10-15 type $$ (plus incentives) without disrupting the slotted cash for the other first round draft picks.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Tom Condon isn't fresh off the turnip truck; I don't think Quinn's contract is going to be an impediment as long as the Browns are intellectually honest with themselves. The guaranteed money likely won't be much more than what he'll be slotted for at 22, but the Browns DID draft him as their franchise QB and they need to be willing to layer in incentives [both likely to be earned and loftier ones] that allows Quinn to make NFL starter money without a big-time contract renegotiation.

Condon = Escalators

Escalators make sense when you have a stud QB playing with two superstar receivers. Escalators don't make sense when you've got an average QB playing on a team that hasn't produced a good skilled position player since Jim Brown.

Kellen Winslow and Braylon Edwards aren't "good?"

I was being a bit over the top, but I don't think Brady Quinn is going to be having great numbers anytime soon. The Browns offense has some talent -- namely, Winslow and Edwards -- but they just don't strike me as an exciting offense. I think Leinart went into an excellent situation for a rookie QB, whereas Quinn went into an average at best one.But yes, Winslow and Edwards are good and young.