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Will Charles be suspended for cheap shot on Cushing? (1 Viewer)

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Watching the replays at first it looked like Charles blew out Cushing knee with a dirty low hit..but CBS is reporting that Charles broke Cushings leg with the low block. Charles could have blocked Cushing in the waist area but chopped his legs low and he is out for the season.

What are we looking at... 2 games?

 
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Watching the replays at first it looked like Charles blew out Cushing knee with a dirty low hit..but CBS is reporting that Charles broke Cushings leg with the low block. Charles could have blocked Cushing in the waist area but chopped his legs and he is out for the season.

What are we looking at... 2 games?
For a legal hit? Not an unflagged illegal hit, but a legal hit?

 
Watching the replays at first it looked like Charles blew out Cushing knee with a dirty low hit..but CBS is reporting that Charles broke Cushings leg with the low block. Charles could have blocked Cushing in the waist area but chopped his legs low and he is out for the season.

What are we looking at... 2 games?
Zero. Nada. It was a low block. That's all.

 
I can see the Rules committee taking a look at these types of blocks going forward, but I doubt Charles misses any time. Maybe a fine, just because you never know with the NFL.

 
Some of you might remember last year Matt Slauson blocking Cushing low with a legal shot. It tore Cushing's ACL then and ended his season. Slauson was fined 10K.

 
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That's not a cheap shot... A cheap shot is joy porter vs Todd heap or what Kevin vickerson did to Samson satele in the pat after lucks rushing td earlier

 
Should be banned for 1 year. Dirty players like Charles are ruining peoples lives. He tried to take out Watt later in the game. The game will be safer and more enjoyable when Charles and his ilk are removed.

 
Yeah, no. Charles did nothing wrong. It's unfortunate that Cushing got hurt but it was a legal play.

 
I don't know if I see anything happening to charles--if the NFL wanted to be weird--they might hit him with a nominal fine--but I don't even see that happening. However, although I do think it was a hit that was completely legal--I do think it was a bit on the dirty side. Just seems like one of those plays where he could have gotten the job done in a safer fashion--but this is football we are talking about.

 
Should be banned for 1 year. Dirty players like Charles are ruining peoples lives. He tried to take out Watt later in the game. The game will be safer and more enjoyable when Charles and his ilk are removed.
Banned for a year? Come on, those types of blocks happen all the time, just an unfortunate situation that it happened to Cushing who already tore his ACL. I have never heard of Charles being a dirty player by others around the league, so banning him for a year on a LEGAL hit is completely absurd.

 
I can't recall a single occurance where an offensive player has been fined, let alone suspended, for on field play.

 
He didn't do anything illegal. You see similar cut blocks made by RBs on pass rushers pretty much every NFL game.

Short of a Facebook post by Charles saying, "I'm going to blow up Cushing's knee first chance I get," I don't see any reason for a fine.

 
Also, Jackie Battle of the Titans was fined under the lowering your head and using your helmet as a weapon thing against Danieal Manning.

 
Should be banned for 1 year. Dirty players like Charles are ruining peoples lives. He tried to take out Watt later in the game. The game will be safer and more enjoyable when Charles and his ilk are removed.
Banned for a year? Come on, those types of blocks happen all the time, just an unfortunate situation that it happened to Cushing who already tore his ACL. I have never heard of Charles being a dirty player by others around the league, so banning him for a year on a LEGAL hit is completely absurd.
How would you like 195 lb Charles to block Watt? Should he try to pancake him?
 
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Should be banned for 1 year. Dirty players like Charles are ruining peoples lives. He tried to take out Watt later in the game. The game will be safer and more enjoyable when Charles and his ilk are removed.
Banned for a year? Come on, those types of blocks happen all the time, just an unfortunate situation that it happened to Cushing who already tore his ACL. I have never heard of Charles being a dirty player by others around the league, so banning him for a year on a LEGAL hit is completely absurd.
Really? You really bit into that?

 
Should be banned for 1 year. Dirty players like Charles are ruining peoples lives. He tried to take out Watt later in the game. The game will be safer and more enjoyable when Charles and his ilk are removed.
Banned for a year? Come on, those types of blocks happen all the time, just an unfortunate situation that it happened to Cushing who already tore his ACL. I have never heard of Charles being a dirty player by others around the league, so banning him for a year on a LEGAL hit is completely absurd.
Really? You really bit into that?
:bag:

 
cobalt_27 said:
MoveToSkypager said:
Some of you might remember last year Matt Slauson blocking Cushing low with a legal shot. It tore Cushing's ACL then and ended his season. Slauson was fined 10K.
The league determined this was a peel back block, which has been illegal since 2005.
Ohh, Ok.

 
Should be banned for 1 year. Dirty players like Charles are ruining peoples lives. He tried to take out Watt later in the game. The game will be safer and more enjoyable when Charles and his ilk are removed.
Banned for a year? Come on, those types of blocks happen all the time, just an unfortunate situation that it happened to Cushing who already tore his ACL. I have never heard of Charles being a dirty player by others around the league, so banning him for a year on a LEGAL hit is completely absurd.
How would you like 195 lb Charles to block Watt? Should he try to pancake him?
He should do it anywhere but at the knees. Hips would be a good start imo, but knees should be protected as much as heads. It's the same issue as the Ravens player that took out Cobb's knees last week. Both times the player had the opportunity to go high, but chose to go low and a leg got broken in the process.

 
thanks TD.

It looks like he aimed for the knee and got it. I don't like that at all.
Specifically, a player is in front of another, so he gets low and goes toward a leg on one side. Ya don't block like that. If he went at both knees, maybe, but taking the angle toward one is too much IMO.

 
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WAS Merriweather is the guy who should be thrown out of the league. He targets somebody's head 2-3 times per game. Hopefully they start dropping heavy fines on him to get him to stop.

 
thanks TD.

It looks like he aimed for the knee and got it. I don't like that at all.

Specifically, a player is in front of another, so he gets low and goes toward a leg on one side. Ya don't block like that. If he went at both knees, maybe, but taking the angle toward one is too much IMO.
Lol, you can't be serious. That was a text book cut block executed to perfection. The issue was Cushing's foot planted and gripped the turf at precisely the wrong time. It's sad and unfortunate, but Charles did absolutely nothing wrong.
 
thanks TD.

It looks like he aimed for the knee and got it. I don't like that at all.

Specifically, a player is in front of another, so he gets low and goes toward a leg on one side. Ya don't block like that. If he went at both knees, maybe, but taking the angle toward one is too much IMO.
Lol, you can't be serious. That was a text book cut block executed to perfection. The issue was Cushing's foot planted and gripped the turf at precisely the wrong time. It's sad and unfortunate, but Charles did absolutely nothing wrong.
Yeah, this entire thread should just be locked. It's ridiculous. That was a 100% legal cut block executed to perfection. Cushing came in at full speed and his foot got planted in the ground as he tried to leave his feet to go over Charles.

It sucks and I don't agree with all the low hit injuries we keep seeing. This is unfortunately what the NFL wanted, you're not allowed to hit up high anymore and now you're forced to hit low. Regardless though, it's perfectly legal in every way, shape and form. If Charles were even fined for this play I feel like the NFLPA would be in a massive uproar over it. Not to mention Charles and Charles' lawyers/agent. Cushing didn't deserve the hit but in the end it's just as much his fault as Charles (i.e. nobodies fault but the game of football).

 
There is no excuse for an offensive player hitting a defensive player low.

I can understand a defensive player - who has to bring a ball carrier down - who goes low to tackle a bigger player, but an offensive player needs only to impede the progress of a defensive player, and while hitting a player low can do that - it is not the only way to do so, and should be outlawed. Its time to stop over-protecting offensive players and allowing cheapshots at defensive players under the guise that "its the way its always been done."

 
There is no excuse for an offensive player hitting a defensive player low.

I can understand a defensive player - who has to bring a ball carrier down - who goes low to tackle a bigger player, but an offensive player needs only to impede the progress of a defensive player, and while hitting a player low can do that - it is not the only way to do so, and should be outlawed. Its time to stop over-protecting offensive players and allowing cheapshots at defensive players under the guise that "its the way its always been done."
This is 100% COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. There is every excuse for it, which is why it's a legal hit. How can you expect someone like a 199lb Jamaal Charles to even begin to impede the defensive player when we're discussing the likes of 6'3 250lb Brian Cushing or a 6' 5" 290lb JJ Watt? The only way to actually do that is going low and tripping him up, that's WHY cut blocks are legal for RBs. If Charles tried to stand up straight and hit them up high to 'impede the progress' he'd probably have gotten hurt.

 
There is no excuse for an offensive player hitting a defensive player low.

I can understand a defensive player - who has to bring a ball carrier down - who goes low to tackle a bigger player, but an offensive player needs only to impede the progress of a defensive player, and while hitting a player low can do that - it is not the only way to do so, and should be outlawed. Its time to stop over-protecting offensive players and allowing cheapshots at defensive players under the guise that "its the way its always been done."
This is 100% COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. There is every excuse for it, which is why it's a legal hit. How can you expect someone like a 199lb Jamaal Charles to even begin to impede the defensive player when we're discussing the likes of 6'3 250lb Brian Cushing or a 6' 5" 290lb JJ Watt? The only way to actually do that is going low and tripping him up, that's WHY cut blocks are legal for RBs. If Charles tried to stand up straight and hit them up high to 'impede the progress' he'd probably have gotten hurt.
RBs have been using chip blocks for years, which slow a defender and knock him off balance. Most RBs will take on a blitzer up high - going low is not only more dangerous, but less effective if the defender simply jumps over the cut block. The only time it is more effective is when you go for a players knees.

QBs get the ball out in 3 seconds - you don't have to hold the guy up forever to be an effective blocker.

If you don't want defenses to have a chance to make a play, why do you even want them on the field?

 
There is no excuse for an offensive player hitting a defensive player low.

I can understand a defensive player - who has to bring a ball carrier down - who goes low to tackle a bigger player, but an offensive player needs only to impede the progress of a defensive player, and while hitting a player low can do that - it is not the only way to do so, and should be outlawed. Its time to stop over-protecting offensive players and allowing cheapshots at defensive players under the guise that "its the way its always been done."
If a proven steroid freak has nothing but you between him and an unimpeded shot on your MVP-candidate QB, you should be doing whatever you can within the rules of football to not just impede him, but take him down. Bonus points if it helps clear the passing lane, which it did.

Karma for the rules and broken bodies Cushing stepped on to get where he is today without actually earning it, IMO.

 
The NFL policy is a total mockery. You can't hit a QB in the head, below the knees, or even in the body with your helmet. You can't hit a receiver pretty much at all unless he's already turned into a runner. Yet you can cut and chop block defensive players even though there is a history of injury because of it. Their concern for "player safety" is a sham, they only are concerned with players like QB who do the scoring which is what they want to see more off.

P.S. I don't blame Charles at all, it was legal.

 
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The NFL policy is a total mockery. You can't hit a QB in the head, below the knees, or even in the body with your helmet. You can't hit a receiver pretty much at all unless he's already turned into a runner. Yet you can cut and chop block defensive players even though there is a history of injury because of it. Their concern for "player safety" is a sham, they only are concerned with players like QB who do the scoring which is what they want to see more off.

P.S. I don't blame Charles at all, it was legal.
Yes, I agree. You can't blame Charles, the hit was legal. It's still a ####ty hit and a hit that should be illegal. The NFL is all over the concussion thing as a 'player safety' mode but ignore the fact that yesterday had to be the most ACL Tears I've ever seen in a single week. And as I think about it, this season alone the amount of ACL tears is just insane. I can't recall a season where a top end player was experiencing some form of severe lower body injury every week. And what can they do? They can't make low and high hits illegal. Then what? We're now playing contact baseball? You have to hit a player in the strike zone or it's a penalty? If you hit him in the legs or hit him above the shoulders it's 15 yards and a fine. You can only hit them in the torso.

It's just getting completely out of hand in every way. I understand what Goodell is doing in trying to help player safety. Like Tom Jackson was saying two weeks ago on one of the morning shows. The whole "Concussion Lawsuit" was bogus. Every NFL player went in KNOWING the risks of the game. Goodell took a hard stance on helmet to helmet hits and instead he's making players be more or less forced into going low on hits and instead of some mild head trauma now we're experiencing 2-3 torn ACLs every week. Which is just as bad if not worse than the concussions.

In the end though, the great scope of things needs to be looked into... players should know and understand the full risks involved in this game prior to playing in it. Also realize, it's not like they're going out there and playing like this for $25 an hour. They're making million and millions of dollars putting their bodies on the line week to week. But again, you're never going to see lawsuits like the NFL had with the World Boxing Association or UFC. They understand the risks they're putting themselves in when going into that line of work. And they accept those risks.

The simple fact is that while all these injuries suck, they're a part of the game. Hopefully the next commissioner can come in here and start to move things back into place a little bit. And bring the NFL closer to the 1980s NFL and less like the 2020 National Flag Football League direction that Goodell currently has us going in.

 

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