My Man Otis:I could look at those others. But I choose to ask this question in this thread.Why don't you chill out a little.my man otis said:There's both sides, this has been debated since the NFL draft.Honestly, try searching, there's probably more enthusiastic comments there than you'd get in this, the 175th thread on the topic.
The biggest knocks on him are that he "runs upright" and doesn't play up to his size. "Despite measured size, Addai looks like a third-down back on film and plays smaller than his size." He was given a 6.0 (Good/Solid) for pass blocking: "Knows his assignments very well, can adjust and blocks the man well enough."STRONG POINTS
Addai is a very quick and agile runner with the feet to make sharp cuts and can bounce inside runs outside when the middle is clogged up. Has very good vision and instincts, and really shows patience following his blockers and cutting sharply off their blocks. Has good hands catching passes out of the backfield and can make sharp cuts in the open field, which makes him a good open-field runner. Has the strength and balance to keep his feet when taking hard hits. Does a good job of pass blocking -- can cut block or block upright, and is effective doing both.
The scouting report on Rhodes:They're nearly identical in stature - James was six-foot, 214 pounds; Addai is 5-11, 214. Both were around national championship teams: James at Miami, Addai at LSU. And as good as James was running the ball, he was an even more cherished blocker. Addai went into the draft rated by many as the best pass-blocking back available.
Here's my take: RBs can generally contribute sooner than any other offensive skill player. First-round RBs are not drafted to sit on the bench for long, particularly behind undrafted free agents that are characterized as "excellent backups". I think he will definitely be the starter at some point this year. This is a first-round pick that they're paying first-round money to when they knew what they had with Rhodes. If you thought Rhodes was the future, you don't draft Addai that early. If you think Addai has more upside, and you don't give up a lot in terms of blocking and pass catching, how long can you keep him on the bench?He runs with good pad level, he fights for yards after contact and he is surprisingly powerful for his size. As a receiver, Rhodes runs crisp short-to-intermediate routes and he is versatile enough to line up in the slot. He has the body control to adjust to the ball while it's in the air, he rarely drops passes he should catch and he is a threat to turn the short gain into the big play. Rhodes takes little time to reach his top speed and he is a very dangerous kickoff return man. However, he appears hesitant at times, he lacks prototypical bulk and he has had some problems staying healthy. Overall, Rhodes may never be an every-down back because of his durability issues and his lack of bulk but he is an excellent backup. He is explosive, he contributes on special teams and he has excellent starting experience.
Benson and Chris Perry owners are asking this very question.Addai may or may not take the job, but unlike most rookies I don't think it will be his blocking that keeps him off the field.
From his draft profile:
The biggest knocks on him are that he "runs upright" and doesn't play up to his size. "Despite measured size, Addai looks like a third-down back on film and plays smaller than his size." He was given a 6.0 (Good/Solid) for pass blocking: "Knows his assignments very well, can adjust and blocks the man well enough."STRONG POINTS
Addai is a very quick and agile runner with the feet to make sharp cuts and can bounce inside runs outside when the middle is clogged up. Has very good vision and instincts, and really shows patience following his blockers and cutting sharply off their blocks. Has good hands catching passes out of the backfield and can make sharp cuts in the open field, which makes him a good open-field runner. Has the strength and balance to keep his feet when taking hard hits. Does a good job of pass blocking -- can cut block or block upright, and is effective doing both.
Or this article:
The scouting report on Rhodes:They're nearly identical in stature - James was six-foot, 214 pounds; Addai is 5-11, 214. Both were around national championship teams: James at Miami, Addai at LSU. And as good as James was running the ball, he was an even more cherished blocker. Addai went into the draft rated by many as the best pass-blocking back available.Here's my take: RBs can generally contribute sooner than any other offensive skill player. First-round RBs are not drafted to sit on the bench for long, particularly behind undrafted free agents that are characterized as "excellent backups". I think he will definitely be the starter at some point this year. This is a first-round pick that they're paying first-round money to when they knew what they had with Rhodes. If you thought Rhodes was the future, you don't draft Addai that early. If you think Addai has more upside, and you don't give up a lot in terms of blocking and pass catching, how long can you keep him on the bench?He runs with good pad level, he fights for yards after contact and he is surprisingly powerful for his size. As a receiver, Rhodes runs crisp short-to-intermediate routes and he is versatile enough to line up in the slot. He has the body control to adjust to the ball while it's in the air, he rarely drops passes he should catch and he is a threat to turn the short gain into the big play. Rhodes takes little time to reach his top speed and he is a very dangerous kickoff return man. However, he appears hesitant at times, he lacks prototypical bulk and he has had some problems staying healthy. Overall, Rhodes may never be an every-down back because of his durability issues and his lack of bulk but he is an excellent backup. He is explosive, he contributes on special teams and he has excellent starting experience.
Benson was a holdout last year and has injury problems this year. Rudi Johnson is a much better RB than Rhodes.Benson and Chris Perry owners are asking this very question.Addai may or may not take the job, but unlike most rookies I don't think it will be his blocking that keeps him off the field.
From his draft profile:
The biggest knocks on him are that he "runs upright" and doesn't play up to his size. "Despite measured size, Addai looks like a third-down back on film and plays smaller than his size." He was given a 6.0 (Good/Solid) for pass blocking: "Knows his assignments very well, can adjust and blocks the man well enough."STRONG POINTS
Addai is a very quick and agile runner with the feet to make sharp cuts and can bounce inside runs outside when the middle is clogged up. Has very good vision and instincts, and really shows patience following his blockers and cutting sharply off their blocks. Has good hands catching passes out of the backfield and can make sharp cuts in the open field, which makes him a good open-field runner. Has the strength and balance to keep his feet when taking hard hits. Does a good job of pass blocking -- can cut block or block upright, and is effective doing both.
Or this article:
The scouting report on Rhodes:They're nearly identical in stature - James was six-foot, 214 pounds; Addai is 5-11, 214. Both were around national championship teams: James at Miami, Addai at LSU. And as good as James was running the ball, he was an even more cherished blocker. Addai went into the draft rated by many as the best pass-blocking back available.Here's my take: RBs can generally contribute sooner than any other offensive skill player. First-round RBs are not drafted to sit on the bench for long, particularly behind undrafted free agents that are characterized as "excellent backups". I think he will definitely be the starter at some point this year. This is a first-round pick that they're paying first-round money to when they knew what they had with Rhodes. If you thought Rhodes was the future, you don't draft Addai that early. If you think Addai has more upside, and you don't give up a lot in terms of blocking and pass catching, how long can you keep him on the bench?He runs with good pad level, he fights for yards after contact and he is surprisingly powerful for his size. As a receiver, Rhodes runs crisp short-to-intermediate routes and he is versatile enough to line up in the slot. He has the body control to adjust to the ball while it's in the air, he rarely drops passes he should catch and he is a threat to turn the short gain into the big play. Rhodes takes little time to reach his top speed and he is a very dangerous kickoff return man. However, he appears hesitant at times, he lacks prototypical bulk and he has had some problems staying healthy. Overall, Rhodes may never be an every-down back because of his durability issues and his lack of bulk but he is an excellent backup. He is explosive, he contributes on special teams and he has excellent starting experience.
Both are 1st round picks who, when healthy, have not taken over the starter's role, even though the team drafted them for that purpose. Agreed that Rudi is much better than RhodesBenson was a holdout last year and has injury problems this year. Rudi Johnson is a much better RB than Rhodes.Benson and Chris Perry owners are asking this very question.Addai may or may not take the job, but unlike most rookies I don't think it will be his blocking that keeps him off the field.
From his draft profile:
The biggest knocks on him are that he "runs upright" and doesn't play up to his size. "Despite measured size, Addai looks like a third-down back on film and plays smaller than his size." He was given a 6.0 (Good/Solid) for pass blocking: "Knows his assignments very well, can adjust and blocks the man well enough."STRONG POINTS
Addai is a very quick and agile runner with the feet to make sharp cuts and can bounce inside runs outside when the middle is clogged up. Has very good vision and instincts, and really shows patience following his blockers and cutting sharply off their blocks. Has good hands catching passes out of the backfield and can make sharp cuts in the open field, which makes him a good open-field runner. Has the strength and balance to keep his feet when taking hard hits. Does a good job of pass blocking -- can cut block or block upright, and is effective doing both.
Or this article:
The scouting report on Rhodes:They're nearly identical in stature - James was six-foot, 214 pounds; Addai is 5-11, 214. Both were around national championship teams: James at Miami, Addai at LSU. And as good as James was running the ball, he was an even more cherished blocker. Addai went into the draft rated by many as the best pass-blocking back available.Here's my take: RBs can generally contribute sooner than any other offensive skill player. First-round RBs are not drafted to sit on the bench for long, particularly behind undrafted free agents that are characterized as "excellent backups". I think he will definitely be the starter at some point this year. This is a first-round pick that they're paying first-round money to when they knew what they had with Rhodes. If you thought Rhodes was the future, you don't draft Addai that early. If you think Addai has more upside, and you don't give up a lot in terms of blocking and pass catching, how long can you keep him on the bench?He runs with good pad level, he fights for yards after contact and he is surprisingly powerful for his size. As a receiver, Rhodes runs crisp short-to-intermediate routes and he is versatile enough to line up in the slot. He has the body control to adjust to the ball while it's in the air, he rarely drops passes he should catch and he is a threat to turn the short gain into the big play. Rhodes takes little time to reach his top speed and he is a very dangerous kickoff return man. However, he appears hesitant at times, he lacks prototypical bulk and he has had some problems staying healthy. Overall, Rhodes may never be an every-down back because of his durability issues and his lack of bulk but he is an excellent backup. He is explosive, he contributes on special teams and he has excellent starting experience.
True. Larry Johnson took several years to supplant Priest Holmes - and TJ Duckett never supplanted Dunn. Point taken.Both are 1st round picks who, when healthy, have not taken over the starter's role, even though the team drafted them for that purpose. Agreed that Rudi is much better than RhodesBenson was a holdout last year and has injury problems this year. Rudi Johnson is a much better RB than Rhodes.Benson and Chris Perry owners are asking this very question.Addai may or may not take the job, but unlike most rookies I don't think it will be his blocking that keeps him off the field.
From his draft profile:
The biggest knocks on him are that he "runs upright" and doesn't play up to his size. "Despite measured size, Addai looks like a third-down back on film and plays smaller than his size." He was given a 6.0 (Good/Solid) for pass blocking: "Knows his assignments very well, can adjust and blocks the man well enough."STRONG POINTS
Addai is a very quick and agile runner with the feet to make sharp cuts and can bounce inside runs outside when the middle is clogged up. Has very good vision and instincts, and really shows patience following his blockers and cutting sharply off their blocks. Has good hands catching passes out of the backfield and can make sharp cuts in the open field, which makes him a good open-field runner. Has the strength and balance to keep his feet when taking hard hits. Does a good job of pass blocking -- can cut block or block upright, and is effective doing both.
Or this article:
The scouting report on Rhodes:They're nearly identical in stature - James was six-foot, 214 pounds; Addai is 5-11, 214. Both were around national championship teams: James at Miami, Addai at LSU. And as good as James was running the ball, he was an even more cherished blocker. Addai went into the draft rated by many as the best pass-blocking back available.Here's my take: RBs can generally contribute sooner than any other offensive skill player. First-round RBs are not drafted to sit on the bench for long, particularly behind undrafted free agents that are characterized as "excellent backups". I think he will definitely be the starter at some point this year. This is a first-round pick that they're paying first-round money to when they knew what they had with Rhodes. If you thought Rhodes was the future, you don't draft Addai that early. If you think Addai has more upside, and you don't give up a lot in terms of blocking and pass catching, how long can you keep him on the bench?He runs with good pad level, he fights for yards after contact and he is surprisingly powerful for his size. As a receiver, Rhodes runs crisp short-to-intermediate routes and he is versatile enough to line up in the slot. He has the body control to adjust to the ball while it's in the air, he rarely drops passes he should catch and he is a threat to turn the short gain into the big play. Rhodes takes little time to reach his top speed and he is a very dangerous kickoff return man. However, he appears hesitant at times, he lacks prototypical bulk and he has had some problems staying healthy. Overall, Rhodes may never be an every-down back because of his durability issues and his lack of bulk but he is an excellent backup. He is explosive, he contributes on special teams and he has excellent starting experience.
Different circumstances.Thomas Jones was drafted at #7 overall (so he was clearly a top talent) and coming off a very solid season in his first year as the starter in RB. If Benson didn't hold out last year (and then get hurt), it might be a different story.Rudi was a fourth round pick also coming off a solid year in his first as a starter. Perry has shown maturity issues and has had trouble staying healthy.Dominic was an undrafted free agent. He had a huge rookie season after Edge went down, missed 2002, and then his biggest season since was 254 yards.Benson and Chris Perry owners are asking this very question.
If that is the case then no one really does know because I don't. I only know that Bill Polian said that Rhodes is the stater (a recent interview on TV) - Tom Moore prefers to have one back take most of the carries (this nugget from the Seattle/Indy preseason game) - and allegedly it was reported yesterday that Dungy wants a 50/50 split of the carries between Rhodes and Addai (from the New Orleans Times-Picayune). How can all of those things happen? Sounds like a disinformation campaign to me. Basically - this is a mess. And preseason made it worse because they looked like the worst two "starting" backs in the history of the NFL based on their statistics. Plus, the Indy beat writers are next to worthless in terms of getting true inside information on the Colts - and the Colts are angry at the local media because of the Indianapolis Star contacting Adam Vinateri's mother about his foot injury - so that makes it even more unlikely that there will be much local inside info on the Colts.Bottom line - good luck reading the tea leaves on this.I really doubt anyone on this message board knows. Although djcolts probably has the best insight.
He's the problem. Edge put up 1800/14 combined last year. IMO, it's reasonable to think that the replacements won't be as productive (or may not see as much work). So I'd by inclined to drop that to 1600/12 as a baseline. Maybe even 10 for TD.If Rhodes and Addai split time, it's possible that each guy will get 40-60 total yards per week. And it's posible that each will average a TD every 3 games. If no clear starter emerges and they go back and forth, IMO, that's not a great option as a RB2. The guy you start could easily get 4 or 5 points on the week.(And I do have these two in a league, and it's my worst nightmare that one of my other studs gets hurt and week I will be forced to play one of these two each week.)If one guy gets 3/4 of the production, then that would be like 1200/7 combined. That would be a great outcome if you knew that he was always going to get a steady workload.I do agree that TD may be the harder thing to predict, as the Colts certainly can pass the ball for scores.My take on the situation is simply this: If you get Rhodes and Addai, you should have the starting RB on the NFL's #1 offense all year. Will you get 15-20 TD's out of your starter? No. Will you get 10-12 TD's? Very possibly. I believe the floor will be 7-9 TD's and 1000 yards from the starter, which is what you'd expect out of a 2nd RB, especially if you get one of the "Big 3" and a stud #2 RB wont be available. The biggest risk here is not that the RB's wont score, because as a part of that offense, numbers will naturally rub off on you as teams attempt to shut down Manning. The biggest risk is that one guy gets the yards, and the other guy scores. I doubt that will happen, but it's possible they will split time. Is the potential reward worth the risk? I believe it is, given the fact that neither Rhodes or Addai is being drafted particularly high. Even if the starter is an "Edgerrin lite", I still think he (the tandem of Rhodes and Addai) warrants consideration as a #2 RB
My gut feeling says it's a 60/40 split in favor of Rhodes.He's the problem. Edge put up 1800/14 combined last year. IMO, it's reasonable to think that the replacements won't be as productive (or may not see as much work). So I'd by inclined to drop that to 1600/12 as a baseline. Maybe even 10 for TD.If Rhodes and Addai split time, it's possible that each guy will get 40-60 total yards per week. And it's posible that each will average a TD every 3 games. If no clear starter emerges and they go back and forth, IMO, that's not a great option as a RB2. The guy you start could easily get 4 or 5 points on the week.(And I do have these two in a league, and it's my worst nightmare that one of my other studs gets hurt and week I will be forced to play one of these two each week.)If one guy gets 3/4 of the production, then that would be like 1200/7 combined. That would be a great outcome if you knew that he was always going to get a steady workload.I do agree that TD may be the harder thing to predict, as the Colts certainly can pass the ball for scores.My take on the situation is simply this: If you get Rhodes and Addai, you should have the starting RB on the NFL's #1 offense all year. Will you get 15-20 TD's out of your starter? No. Will you get 10-12 TD's? Very possibly. I believe the floor will be 7-9 TD's and 1000 yards from the starter, which is what you'd expect out of a 2nd RB, especially if you get one of the "Big 3" and a stud #2 RB wont be available. The biggest risk here is not that the RB's wont score, because as a part of that offense, numbers will naturally rub off on you as teams attempt to shut down Manning. The biggest risk is that one guy gets the yards, and the other guy scores. I doubt that will happen, but it's possible they will split time. Is the potential reward worth the risk? I believe it is, given the fact that neither Rhodes or Addai is being drafted particularly high. Even if the starter is an "Edgerrin lite", I still think he (the tandem of Rhodes and Addai) warrants consideration as a #2 RB
Is Rhodes considered a good blocker?Thumper said:My gut feeling says it's a 60/40 split in favor of Rhodes.He's the problem. Edge put up 1800/14 combined last year. IMO, it's reasonable to think that the replacements won't be as productive (or may not see as much work). So I'd by inclined to drop that to 1600/12 as a baseline. Maybe even 10 for TD.If Rhodes and Addai split time, it's possible that each guy will get 40-60 total yards per week. And it's posible that each will average a TD every 3 games. If no clear starter emerges and they go back and forth, IMO, that's not a great option as a RB2. The guy you start could easily get 4 or 5 points on the week.(And I do have these two in a league, and it's my worst nightmare that one of my other studs gets hurt and week I will be forced to play one of these two each week.)If one guy gets 3/4 of the production, then that would be like 1200/7 combined. That would be a great outcome if you knew that he was always going to get a steady workload.I do agree that TD may be the harder thing to predict, as the Colts certainly can pass the ball for scores.My take on the situation is simply this: If you get Rhodes and Addai, you should have the starting RB on the NFL's #1 offense all year. Will you get 15-20 TD's out of your starter? No. Will you get 10-12 TD's? Very possibly. I believe the floor will be 7-9 TD's and 1000 yards from the starter, which is what you'd expect out of a 2nd RB, especially if you get one of the "Big 3" and a stud #2 RB wont be available. The biggest risk here is not that the RB's wont score, because as a part of that offense, numbers will naturally rub off on you as teams attempt to shut down Manning. The biggest risk is that one guy gets the yards, and the other guy scores. I doubt that will happen, but it's possible they will split time. Is the potential reward worth the risk? I believe it is, given the fact that neither Rhodes or Addai is being drafted particularly high. Even if the starter is an "Edgerrin lite", I still think he (the tandem of Rhodes and Addai) warrants consideration as a #2 RB
Average at best.Is Rhodes considered a good blocker?Thumper said:My gut feeling says it's a 60/40 split in favor of Rhodes.He's the problem. Edge put up 1800/14 combined last year. IMO, it's reasonable to think that the replacements won't be as productive (or may not see as much work). So I'd by inclined to drop that to 1600/12 as a baseline. Maybe even 10 for TD.If Rhodes and Addai split time, it's possible that each guy will get 40-60 total yards per week. And it's posible that each will average a TD every 3 games. If no clear starter emerges and they go back and forth, IMO, that's not a great option as a RB2. The guy you start could easily get 4 or 5 points on the week.(And I do have these two in a league, and it's my worst nightmare that one of my other studs gets hurt and week I will be forced to play one of these two each week.)If one guy gets 3/4 of the production, then that would be like 1200/7 combined. That would be a great outcome if you knew that he was always going to get a steady workload.I do agree that TD may be the harder thing to predict, as the Colts certainly can pass the ball for scores.My take on the situation is simply this: If you get Rhodes and Addai, you should have the starting RB on the NFL's #1 offense all year. Will you get 15-20 TD's out of your starter? No. Will you get 10-12 TD's? Very possibly. I believe the floor will be 7-9 TD's and 1000 yards from the starter, which is what you'd expect out of a 2nd RB, especially if you get one of the "Big 3" and a stud #2 RB wont be available. The biggest risk here is not that the RB's wont score, because as a part of that offense, numbers will naturally rub off on you as teams attempt to shut down Manning. The biggest risk is that one guy gets the yards, and the other guy scores. I doubt that will happen, but it's possible they will split time. Is the potential reward worth the risk? I believe it is, given the fact that neither Rhodes or Addai is being drafted particularly high. Even if the starter is an "Edgerrin lite", I still think he (the tandem of Rhodes and Addai) warrants consideration as a #2 RB
If he earns it.And no one knows whether that will happen. If you're looking for definite answers then you're in the wrong game.Yes or no will Addai take Rhodes job?
There's a reason why you need to post this question - not because you don't know, but because NO one knows. If you post this question you'll get one of two types of responses:a) Discussion - which can be found at great length using the search functionb) people saying "it'll definately be Player A" in one line posts with nothing to back it up
No way. It'll definitely be Player B. To me, Rhodes is a guy you draft for his early season production, and hope he gets late season production. But you'll never feel confident that you've got a starting RB position locked up unless you have Addai, too. And even then, you're taking the RBBC gamble of 1) hoping there's a clear starter each week, and 2) hoping that you won't have to guess each week which one it is. He's a guy you feel fairly confident in as a starter right now, but his trade value will never match his production, and while he will have the most value to the Addai owner, that owner will have spent one of his mid round picks on a player that can't start for him, so it'll be hard for him to give you fair value. So if you draft him, don't do it expecting to trade him later. The good news about Rhodes is that we know he can run the ball. The Indy running back will never look as good in preseason as they do in the regular season because teams don't gameplan to stop Peyton Manning in the preseason the same way they do when the games count. I don't care how bad they looked in the preseason when teams were practicing their run defense on running downs. Nobody can commit to defending the run in the regular season against Manning except in the late stages of the game when they're already tired out, because he's a threat to pass for a TD from any part of the field. The other good news about Rhodes is that, like Addai, he can catch the ball. Whichever one starts, can get you garbage points whether the Colts are ahead or behind, and are more valuable than a lot of the other RBs drafted in a similar round in a PPR league. In a keeper league, I give Addai the nod, because he could win the job anytime between now and next preseason. But in a redraft league, it's a complete crapshoot.There's a reason why you need to post this question - not because you don't know, but because NO one knows. If you post this question you'll get one of two types of responses:a) Discussion - which can be found at great length using the search functionb) people saying "it'll definately be Player A" in one line posts with nothing to back it up
and here I thought poker was your forte (which I know it is) but the above post does clarify a lot of things I've been trying to put into words, but couldn't. Nice job Fred, especially about the Indy preseason running games w/ the vanilla defense and teams not specifically game planning to stop Manning. I'm probably one of the few that think a Rhodes/Addai combo (if you have them both) will serve you well this year. Manning doesn't strike me as the kind of player who would be OK w/ a full blown RBBC. He seems way to anal retentive for that and would seem to lean on 1 consistent RB. I'm not saying Addai wont get carries, but I think Rhodes gets 80-85%, and in that offense, I'm confident he WILL produce better than average #2 RB numbers. If you don't have Addai, it gets dicey later in the year, but drafting them both will pay dividendsNo way. It'll definitely be Player B. To me, Rhodes is a guy you draft for his early season production, and hope he gets late season production. But you'll never feel confident that you've got a starting RB position locked up unless you have Addai, too. And even then, you're taking the RBBC gamble of 1) hoping there's a clear starter each week, and 2) hoping that you won't have to guess each week which one it is. He's a guy you feel fairly confident in as a starter right now, but his trade value will never match his production, and while he will have the most value to the Addai owner, that owner will have spent one of his mid round picks on a player that can't start for him, so it'll be hard for him to give you fair value. So if you draft him, don't do it expecting to trade him later. The good news about Rhodes is that we know he can run the ball. The Indy running back will never look as good in preseason as they do in the regular season because teams don't gameplan to stop Peyton Manning in the preseason the same way they do when the games count. I don't care how bad they looked in the preseason when teams were practicing their run defense on running downs. Nobody can commit to defending the run in the regular season against Manning except in the late stages of the game when they're already tired out, because he's a threat to pass for a TD from any part of the field. The other good news about Rhodes is that, like Addai, he can catch the ball. Whichever one starts, can get you garbage points whether the Colts are ahead or behind, and are more valuable than a lot of the other RBs drafted in a similar round in a PPR league. In a keeper league, I give Addai the nod, because he could win the job anytime between now and next preseason. But in a redraft league, it's a complete crapshoot.There's a reason why you need to post this question - not because you don't know, but because NO one knows. If you post this question you'll get one of two types of responses:a) Discussion - which can be found at great length using the search functionb) people saying "it'll definately be Player A" in one line posts with nothing to back it up
Under 2 YPC :XWeek 1 = 16 rushes for 29 yds 1 td 3 catches for 14 yds