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notoriousbob
Footballguy
Did the Lions sign Franklin? Will is a former Missouri Tiger, a hell of an athlete and a real good guy. I'm a Mizzou season ticket holder, so I saw him play a lot of games. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but his vertical and forty times from the draft last year were very good, I think the knock on him was route running and being consistent with his hands. He's got good hands, but just had some issues with drops due to looking upfield before making the catch. I'm not sure why he didn't do better in KC last year. He got drafted by a team that was very thin at WR, so Mizzou fans expected him to step in and be productive. For whatever reason he barely made an appearance. I hope he sees the field because I think he could be productive given the opportunity, kind of like another former Mizzou WR Justin Gage. Never got a sniff in Chicago, but is the go to guy in Tennessee last year.
I know that wasn't a ton of info, but that's my 2 cents.
I know that wasn't a ton of info, but that's my 2 cents.
B. Nugget
Footballguy
I'm also a Mizzou season ticket holder and echo what Bob says. The kid can play, he may just need a fresh and healthy start elsewhere.Maclin came on in Will's senior year and he kind of stepped out of the spotlight for the good of the team. He is a great athlete and a high character guy, could be a really good WR in a couple of years.
Rumor from the KC boards is that Franklin came in out of shape/overweight and that he was cut because either KC wanted to send a message or that he didn't demonstrate the work ethic required for someone who hadn't proven anything on the NFL level.
Other speculation is that Pioli wanted to move up a spot on the waiver order from #3 to #2 after STL for a possible future waiver player.
Other speculation is that Pioli wanted to move up a spot on the waiver order from #3 to #2 after STL for a possible future waiver player.
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Sake-Bombers
Footballguy
Is that how waivers works? I've wondered about that. I figured that Lions would always have #1 waiver priority because of record. I didn't realize that they got bumped to the bottom.I think another interesting part of this story is the other teams that put in a claim on him: St. Louis, Philadelphia, Indy and Oakland.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Some WR needy teams there.
1st point-I don't believe that's accurate2nd-totally agree, nice to see several teams interested in a player that has played precious little thus far. There's not really much in front of him in Detroit. (Not sure if he is but) a good WR should be able to get up to 3rd WR and Bryant is so erratic, ya never know about the 2nd WR spot.I still wonder if they'll re-sign Furrey and IIRC McDonald hasn't re-signed either. That, of course, would change things
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Wonder why the Chiefs didn't contact any of these teamsto at least try to add a late round pick for WF.
I think Mark Bradley pretty much sealed his fate in KC. The 2nd WR spot is 4th option there as it is.He's a big(heavy) WR anyway isn't he? I thought the guy had some bulk to him where the coming in "overweight" statement is a bit of a curious statement, no?KC's site has him 6-0 209, Doug has him 6-0 200
sorry to answer a Q with a Q but...Could they get a similar player with that late pick?
marklot
Footballguy
From Rotoworld:http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playernew...amp;line=142337
Lions claimed WR Will Franklin off waivers from the Chiefs.
The Raiders, Rams, Colts, and Eagles put in claims but the Lions had first dibs because of their 0-16 record. While a knee injury kept Franklin low on KC's depth chart as a rookie, he has a rare combination of speed (4.37) and size (6'2/205). He should have a strong shot at a roster spot
Warpig
Footballguy
Sports Radio 610 here in KC had a 4 hour block today in which they were discussing what actually went down with Will Franklin and Todd Haley during the "Chris and Cowboy Show" 2 - 6pm CDT.It went something like this (per their connections within the Chiefs work force):Haley called Franklin into his office...no pleasantries exchanged. Haley told Will that he was a "marked man" since he was a holdover from Herm's draft. Haley told Will that he was gonna "ride him hard" and it wouldn't be fun.I guess after that little exchange, Franklin showed up to their recent offseason workouts and he was 5 lbs heavier than last year (he weighed 205 last year). Thus Haley's excuse to work him over. I guess he had him run more than everyone else and work harder.Once Franklin saw how it was gonna be for him he asked for them to release him...so they did.I see no reason to argue this story since Franklin went to school at the University of Missouri and did plenty of radio shows and volunteer/benefit work. And some of these radio personalities have sources within the organization.They said that Will Franklin was aware of their show dedicating the whole 4 hours to discuss Haley's handling of the players so far. Will, being the standout character that his is took the high road and said that he was happy to be a Lion now and that what happened in KC is behind him now.My personal 2 cents:Haley and Pioli are gonna ruin this franchise. There have been several KC players that have already said (Off record) that Haley is a "jerk" and an "#####". He rubbed Brian Waters the wrong way as well and he was wanting a trade within an hour of meeting Haley. He will never get the respect of the team if he continues to walk around like he's God. I wonder how many more players will get dropped or how many more stories we'll hear before the season starts.
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loose circuits
Footballguy
this is some good info. Thanks. Sounds like Franklin could be a sleeper. I disagree with the last paragraph. Just because you don't agree with that type of coaching philosophy, does not mean it is wrong. There is more than 1 way to skin a cat. If they get guys that buy into the system (Cassell, Vrabel, Zach Thomas are the right type of leaders), then it may be able to work. It sucks about Waters, but I'm surprised they haven't already moved him.
stevegamer
Footballguy
Actually, a new boss who comes in and rides everyone hard because they haven't been hand-picked by them generally accomplishes a couple of things:
1. They get the massive turnover they want, and to pick their own groceries, I mean employees.
2. It normally comes at the expense of some pretty decent & hard-working people who get fed up of being treated like crap.
Basically, if I'm a NFL GM, I'm closely looking at the cuts of Cleveland, Denver, & Kansas City - knowing they are going to be serviceable players who are going to be cut because of the "old regime" thing. This is still happening in Miami as well, where they essentially swapped centers with the Raiders.
You need to prove yourself useful to the new regime, but when you immediately piss off star employees by treating them like a used hoodie, it shows you really don't know how to manage people.
You see it all businesses, and it only works better in the NFL because there are less places to work.
1. They get the massive turnover they want, and to pick their own groceries, I mean employees.
2. It normally comes at the expense of some pretty decent & hard-working people who get fed up of being treated like crap.
Basically, if I'm a NFL GM, I'm closely looking at the cuts of Cleveland, Denver, & Kansas City - knowing they are going to be serviceable players who are going to be cut because of the "old regime" thing. This is still happening in Miami as well, where they essentially swapped centers with the Raiders.
You need to prove yourself useful to the new regime, but when you immediately piss off star employees by treating them like a used hoodie, it shows you really don't know how to manage people.
You see it all businesses, and it only works better in the NFL because there are less places to work.
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The Man With No Name
Footballguy
The Lions have signed Ronald Curry too
DawnBTVS
Footballguy
I'm somewhat curious if it was Haley's attempt at hard coaching to see how tough Franklin was and whether he'd push himself even harder as an FU to Haley instead. In a sense, working even harder than he may normally have due to motivation.
We always hear about how some coaches are soft, some are player's coaches, and some coaches are "jerks" (i.e. hard ### coaches like Belichick, Coughlin, etc.). I wonder if Haley fits into the hard coach mentality and it rubs certain players the wrong way, guys who may simply just not take hard coaching well which is fine. Thus Franklin asking for his release and landing in Detroit with Schwartz who's been under Jeff Fisher's wing for a while.
We always hear about how some coaches are soft, some are player's coaches, and some coaches are "jerks" (i.e. hard ### coaches like Belichick, Coughlin, etc.). I wonder if Haley fits into the hard coach mentality and it rubs certain players the wrong way, guys who may simply just not take hard coaching well which is fine. Thus Franklin asking for his release and landing in Detroit with Schwartz who's been under Jeff Fisher's wing for a while.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The Jacket
Footballguy
Yeah, they were real stellar the last decade. Might as well fire Pioli and Haley tomorrow and re-hire Carl Peterson to blow drafts and either Vermeil to coddle the whole team of past-their-sell-by-date veterans or Germ Edwards to coddle the whole team of rookies.
Your problem seems to be that you believe everything you hear. No mention of Larry Johnson or Tony Gonzalez changing their tune completely (when they were requesting trades BEFORE Pioli/Haley), of guys like Tyler or Page or Albert talking up the new regime, or guys like Zach Thomas or Bobby Engram signing here because of their belief in Scott Pioli's vision.Yeah, the Chiefs will really miss Will Franklin's seven catches and shoddy work ethic.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Is there a link to his shoddy work ethic? I'd never heard that.Yeah, they were real stellar the last decade. Might as well fire Pioli and Haley tomorrow and re-hire Carl Peterson to blow drafts and either Vermeil to coddle the whole team of past-their-sell-by-date veterans or Germ Edwards to coddle the whole team of rookies.
Your problem seems to be that you believe everything you hear. No mention of Larry Johnson or Tony Gonzalez changing their tune completely (when they were requesting trades BEFORE Pioli/Haley), of guys like Tyler or Page or Albert talking up the new regime, or guys like Zach Thomas or Bobby Engram signing here because of their belief in Scott Pioli's vision.Yeah, the Chiefs will really miss Will Franklin's seven catches and shoddy work ethic.
RavensUNFL
Footballguy
I think the fact that he lasted until the 4th round says something about him considering he was so fast and athletic. One glaring thing I noticed about Franklin was the way he was always trying to avoid contact, stepping out of bounds or just flopping after a catch, I think teams saw that and that is why he dropped till the 4th and I think KC was hoping they could work him past it and finally gave up on the idea and cut him.
This is just a small sample of his catches but watch how quickly he tries to avoid contact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S68BjDow4NA
25 sec
40 sec
46 sec
1:37
If he was afraid to get hit in college, do you think he could cut in the pros? Obviously this is just mho.
This is just a small sample of his catches but watch how quickly he tries to avoid contact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S68BjDow4NA
25 sec
40 sec
46 sec
1:37
If he was afraid to get hit in college, do you think he could cut in the pros? Obviously this is just mho.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Certainly may be true. I just went back and read three 2008 draft guides on him and none of them mentioned any work ethic issue. But all said he was raw and might take a couple of years to get it.
B. Nugget
Footballguy
It seemed to work out pretty well for Marvin Harrison.I think you are nitpicking about the not liking to get hit. If you have timek, go look at the tape of Crabtree in 2007 against Missouri and see if you think he has the same concerns...he pretty much just quit playing in the 2nd half because he was tired of Pig Brown and Willy Mo teeing off on him.RavensUNFL said:
check out 6:10 and tell me if that looks like a player that doesn't want to be hit anymore...
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nittanylion
Footballguy
...and today the Lions signed Ronald Curry!
Megatron, Curry, Bryant Johnson, Will Franklin. Lord knows, I've seen worse. Hell, I'm a Redskins Fan - I've seen much worse.
I like me some Curry, interested in seeing how he'll play with a legit #1 WR across the field...
I think I'm going to have fun watching the Lions once they get into Training Camp. I think it's going to be pretty interesting to see what goes on up in there...good for you, Lions Fans!
Megatron, Curry, Bryant Johnson, Will Franklin. Lord knows, I've seen worse. Hell, I'm a Redskins Fan - I've seen much worse.
I like me some Curry, interested in seeing how he'll play with a legit #1 WR across the field...
I think I'm going to have fun watching the Lions once they get into Training Camp. I think it's going to be pretty interesting to see what goes on up in there...good for you, Lions Fans!
RavensUNFL
Footballguy
Maybe Marvin was avoiding contact at the end of his HOF career, Will was doing this in college. Just a weeeeeeeeee bit of difference there.
Warpig
Footballguy
To anyone that thinks that Pioli is the be all end all to GM's...go back and look at his draft history. It is ALMOST as bad as Carl Peterson's! Check out that 2006 draft class! The mid - later rounds is where you make your money and he really hasn't done very well. If it weren't for Tom Brady, no one would know who Pioli is!
From everything I've read/heard, Franklin has always been a high character, lockerroom guy.
And for those people that knock WR's for running out of bounds...I can guaran-damn-tee you that coaches tell their players to step out of bounds if it means avoiding an unnecessary hit! I coach football and we always tell our kids to step out of bounds instead of taking a hit if you're not on the goalline. Keeping your players healthy and safe is better for the team than if you have players lining up on the IR.
I was listening to the same radio station today and they had Todd Haley's story pertaining to this issue...but I missed his sound byte. I'll try to update when I learn more.
From everything I've read/heard, Franklin has always been a high character, lockerroom guy.
And for those people that knock WR's for running out of bounds...I can guaran-damn-tee you that coaches tell their players to step out of bounds if it means avoiding an unnecessary hit! I coach football and we always tell our kids to step out of bounds instead of taking a hit if you're not on the goalline. Keeping your players healthy and safe is better for the team than if you have players lining up on the IR.
I was listening to the same radio station today and they had Todd Haley's story pertaining to this issue...but I missed his sound byte. I'll try to update when I learn more.
Beaumont
Footballguy
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2009/04/17/qa...odd_haley__417/Q: Will Franklin was released the other day. Was he a guy that didn’t want to be here or just someone you couldn’t see having a future here?
HALEY: “I think it was more of the latter. He was here and working but you’ve got to make these decisions sometimes and they aren’t always pleasant but we’re trying to find the right guys for the Kansas City Chiefs. At this time we didn’t think this was the direction we wanted to go. But we wish Will the best and he got picked up pretty quick.”
Q: Some guys you make a decision like that pretty quickly and others you want to see them work. Is that just a process of when and where with some guys?
HALEY: “Yeah, and I think it’s a little bit of your instinct and gut feeling on some of them. They’re all different and you don’t want to make a mistake. But you will and you’ll release players that end up potentially going on to great careers. But to me, it’s finding the right guys for this team.”
Q: What specifically didn’t you like about Franklin?
HALEY: “I’m not going to get into the details on that. We just wanted to go in another direction.”
Totally agree. Been waiting for everyone to get on the Schwarz train too and that seems to be loading up passengers. Time will tell but I think you just know when a team hired a decent coach. (beating a dead horse and all but) similarly I don't get any of this positive vibe from Denver and Cleveland.
Some day soon(this may be a dream) NFL teams are going to draft WRs differently. There are plenty of WRs NOT drafted in the first 40-50 picks that have nice careers and drooling over "measurables" just hasn't done them any good. The Ravens GM thread here is just one example. I think it also has some bearing on the large turnovers of GMs in the league too. A percent of the "you didn't draft well" gripe, for sure. I think when a GM gets it, they'll be far better off AND I think this will help the college game too. At this moment, I don't really care where WRs were drafted anymore.I'd bet $ a guy like Iglesias is going to be good. Pick a mock and he's 2nd or 3rd round WR after many WRs. He played against great competition and in huge games. You can't teach that experience. There's 5-6 colleges that have borderline pro talent on the whole roster whereas it's almost like they're practicing against NFL players regularly. Those kids will be ready now, not years from now while the others adjust to the speed of the NFL game. It's worth the wait with guys like Marvin Harrison and all but, in time I think GMs will begin to draft guys that can produce now higher than those that have potential years from now.
Tick
Footballguy
The Jacket
Footballguy
Warpig said:
RavensUNFL
Footballguy
Some day soon(this may be a dream) NFL teams are going to draft WRs differently. There are plenty of WRs NOT drafted in the first 40-50 picks that have nice careers and drooling over "measurables" just hasn't done them any good. The Ravens GM thread here is just one example.
I am not sure what you mean by that exactly, but all I was saying is that in last years draft everyone was calling it a "weak" wr'er draft, not one wr'er taken in the first round with several teams in need proves that. (I am in no way saying this was a bad class, just that it was not considered a great wr class) For a guy with SO much skill in a weak class to be taken in the 4th means there was something to question there.
KC may turn out to be a bunch of idiots for cutting a guy without really giving him much of a chance. Only time will tell if they blew it or made the right call.
The same can be said for almost any skill position in the league not just wr'er, rarely do they say, we took him because he always plays with a lot of heart not the fact that he runs a 4.3 40 and has a 44 inch vertical and can palm a VW bug. They will not draft wr'er differently or any other skill position, you can not teach a guy to be faster or jump higher, but you can hope to teach them how to catch better or run better routes or play smarter. Like ANY thing there will always be an exception to the rule, Fitz was not a 4.4 guy, Crabtree isn't but he (Fitz) was and he (Crabtree) will be early 1st round picks.
I am not sure what you mean by that exactly, but all I was saying is that in last years draft everyone was calling it a "weak" wr'er draft, not one wr'er taken in the first round with several teams in need proves that. (I am in no way saying this was a bad class, just that it was not considered a great wr class) For a guy with SO much skill in a weak class to be taken in the 4th means there was something to question there.
KC may turn out to be a bunch of idiots for cutting a guy without really giving him much of a chance. Only time will tell if they blew it or made the right call.
The same can be said for almost any skill position in the league not just wr'er, rarely do they say, we took him because he always plays with a lot of heart not the fact that he runs a 4.3 40 and has a 44 inch vertical and can palm a VW bug. They will not draft wr'er differently or any other skill position, you can not teach a guy to be faster or jump higher, but you can hope to teach them how to catch better or run better routes or play smarter. Like ANY thing there will always be an exception to the rule, Fitz was not a 4.4 guy, Crabtree isn't but he (Fitz) was and he (Crabtree) will be early 1st round picks.
I like Clayton. Jones has shown plenty of ability but the drops hurt him. I wouldn't be overly surprised if he did fairly well in San Fran. Bradley got it together last year. The Bears don't seem to be doing any WRs any favors so I'm not sure whether to hold it against him. Even well established Muhsin didn't look as good there. Look at Gage in TEN. Wilson not really sure what happenned with him. I would GUESS that he didn't realize you only get short opportunities if you don't produce. He got a few quick ones in CLE and never really grasped it. Malcolm, we'll see. I'm not really sure what Cerrato was up to last year. Don't forget they got the best TE and he didn't do much of anything with Cooley around. Florida WRs, as I remember it, always had these jump balls that they were good at and weren't traditional WRs that ran precise routes but more like jump balls. I understand the coach s different now so...Teams above and Ohio State, Michigan, USC there's some schools that I'd just rather have their WRs. Nothing about a draft is perfect but I think odds are you're getting some production. ***This is filling a need, a hole on the roster IMOWhat is the big difference in drafting a project WR in round 1 and drafting a project WR in rounds 5-7? That is something that is harder to qualify than I think any GM wants to admit. What's his name drafted by the Vikes, last on the Jags possibly to replace Moss? Waste. They could have got a big fast WR in any round that would take years to develop. *** This is swinging for a homerun with a pick IMO.I think successful GMs fill a need and don't swing for many homers. Sure temptation creeps up and the ego of scouts "knowing" someone will be great but in general.So what I'm saying is I'll be willing to revisit Iglesias vs every WR drafted before him at the end of 2010 and I'd "bet" he's better than a number of them.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Curry to the slot. Per KFFL:
Warpig
Footballguy
Something funny?Warpig said:
Here ya go. Here are Pioli's last 5 draft classes. 1st round picks aside...show me where he has nailed his picks. Please...I'm waiting. I don't see any Tom Brady's on here. 2005 was fairly decent since he got 2 linemen out of the class. Nothing about these draft classes impress me anymore than any other GM's. For someone a lot of Chiefs fans think is the next coming of Bill Parcells, I don't see anything to get excited about. Maybe a slightly better drafter than Peterson. Be afraid...be very afraid. 2008 1 10 Jerod Mayo LB Tennessee 2008 2 62 Terrence Wheatley DB Colorado 2008 3 78 Shawn Crable LB Michigan 2008 3 94 Kevin O'Connell QB San Diego State 2008 4 129 Jonathan Wilhite DB Auburn 2008 5 153 Matt Slater WR UCLA 2008 6 197 Bo Ruud LB Nebraska 2007 1 24 Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (FL) 2007 4 127 Kareem Brown DT Miami (FL) 2007 5 171 Clint Oldenburg T Colorado State 2007 6 180 Justin Rogers LB SMU 2007 6 202 Mike Richardson DB Notre Dame 2007 6 208 Justise Hairston RB Connecticut State 2007 6 209 Corey Hilliard T Oklahoma State 2007 7 211 Oscar Lua LB USC 2007 7 247 Mike Elgin G Iowa 2006 1 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota 2006 2 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida 2006 3 86 David Thomas TE Texas 2006 4 106 Garrett Mills FB Tulsa 2006 4 118 Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis 2006 5 136 Ryan O'Callaghan T California 2006 6 191 Jeremy Mincey DE Florida 2006 6 205 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame 2006 6 206 LeKevin Smith DT Nebraska 2006 7 229 Willie Andrews DB Baylor 2005 1 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State 2005 3 84 Ellis Hobbs DB Iowa State 2005 3 100 Nick Kaczur T Toledo 2005 4 133 James Sanders DB Fresno State 2005 5 170 Ryan Claridge LB UNLV 2005 7 230 Matt Cassel QB USC 2005 7 255 Andy Stokes TE William Penn 2004 1 21 Vince Wilfork NT Miami (FL) 2004 1 32 Ben Watson TE Georgia 2004 2 63 Marquise Hill DE LSU 2004 3 95 Guss Scott DB Florida 2004 4 113 Dexter Reid DB North Carolina 2004 4 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas 2004 5 164 P.K. Sam WR Florida State 2004 7 233 Christian Morton DB
Tick
Footballguy
Without looking it up, I know that was the Williamson, Mike Williams, Matt Jones, Braylon Edwards year. Atlanta took one late, but I can't remember if that was the Jenkins or the Roddy White year. Rookie drafts were a mess that year from about 7-12, I think.I'd be curious to see what the hit rate is from those big schools. What college teams have perennially elite defenses? I'm sure I'll miss some, but...USCOregon?OklahomaTexasTexas A&M?Nebraska?Kansas St?Penn StMichiganOhio StWisconsin?Virginia TechWest Virginia?MarylandNotre DameMiamiFlorida StFloridaSouth CarolinaLSUAuburnGeorgiaTennesseeGeorgia TechI just went to pro-football-reference and sorted a bit, and since 2000 it looks like this (round - player - touchdowns)Alabama: 0/35 Jason McAddley 15 Freddie Milons 06 Triandos Luke 0Auburn: 0/52 Tim Carter 46 Courtney Taylor 06 Jeris McIntyre 07 Devin Aromashodu 07 Ben Obomanu 1Florida: 1/9 (maybe 2/9, but 22 TDs from a first rounder doesn't sound like a hit to me)1 Travis Taylor 222 Chad Jackson 32 Taylor Jacobs 22 Jabar Gaffney 152 Reche Caldwell 113 Andre Caldwell 03 Darrell Jackson 517 Dallas Baker 07 John Capel 0Florida State: 3/111 Javon Walker 311 Peter Warrick 182 Anquan Boldin 403 Willie Reid 03 Snoop Minnis 13 Ron Dugans 33 Laveranues Coles 444 Chris Davis 04 Craphonso Thorpe 15 P.K. Sam 07 Talman Gardner 0Georgia: 0/22 Reggie Brown 174 Fred Gibson 0Georgia Tech: 1/31 Calvin Johnson 163 Dez White 117 Jonathan Smith 1Kansas State: 0/5 (Nelson gets an incomplete)2 Jordy Nelson 22 Quincy Morgan 173 Yamon Figurs 16 Frank Murphy 17 Taco Wallace 07 Aaron Lockett 0LSU: 1/7 (Doucet gets an incomplete)1 Dwayne Bowe 121 Craig Davis 11 Michael Clayton 92 Devery Henderson 142 Josh Reed 93 Early Doucet 04 Skyler Green 07 Bennie Brazell 0Miami: 3/71 Andre Johnson 331 Santana Moss 431 Reggie Wayne 532 Sinorice Moss 22 Roscoe Parrish 57 Daryl Jones 07 Andre King 0Michigan: 1/4 (Manningham, Breaston, Arrington get incompletes)1 Braylon Edwards 281 David Terrell 93 Mario Manningham 03 Marquis Walker 04 Jason Avant 55 Steve Breaston 37 Adrian Arrington 0Nebraska: 0/23 Eric Crouch 06 Bobby Newcombe 0Notre Dame: 0/43 Maurice Stovall 16 Arnaz Battle 116 Javin Hunter 07 David Givens 12Ohio State: 3/7 (Ginn INC)1 Ted Ginn Jr. 41 Anthony Gonzalez 71 Santonio Holmes 151 Michael Jenkins 175 Roy Hall 05 Drew Carter 87 Reggie Germany 07 Ken-Yon Rambo 0Oklahoma: 0/4 (Kelly INC - these guys could turn it around, but 4 years and 10 TDs or less is a bust)1 Mark Clayton 102 Malcolm Kelly 02 Mark Bradley 73 Travis Wilson 03 Brandon Jones 9Oregon: 0/54 Demetrius Williams 34 Samie Parker 76 Jordan Kent 07 Marcus Maxwell 07 Keenan Howry 0Penn State: 0/31 Bryant Johnson 124 Michael Robinson 07 Ethan Kilmer 0South Carolina: 0/1 (Rice INC)1 Troy Williamson 42 Sidney Rice 8Tennessee: 1/4 (Meachem INC)1 Robert Meachem 01 Donte Stallworth 323 Kelley Washington 96 Cedrick Wilson 87 Mark Jones 0Texas: 1/2 (Sweed INC)1 Roy E. Williams 302 Limas Sweed 07 Sloan Thomas 0Texas A&M: 1/7 (Hall for his special teams gets counted)2 Terrence Murphy 02 Bethel Johnson 42 Robert Ferguson 133 Chris Cole 05 Dante Hall 96 Jamaar Taylor 07 Chris Taylor 0USC: 0/6 (Smith INC)1 Mike Williams 21 R. Jay Soward 12 Dwayne Jarrett 02 Steve Smith 12 Keary Colbert 85 Windrell Hayes 06 Kareem Kelly 0Virginia Tech: 0/4 (Royal, Clowney INC)2 Eddie Royal 52 Andre' Davis 174 Ernest Wilford 145 David Clowney 06 Josh Morgan 37 Justin Harper 0West Virginia: 2/32 Jerry Porter 313 Chris Henry 195 Rasheed Marshall 0Wisconsin: 2/51 Lee Evans 322 Chris Chambers 523 Brandon Williams 06 Paul Hubbard 06 Jonathan Orr 0
Tick looking at your list for a while now. I think the round (and accompanying expectation) matters.
A guy like Jason McAddley is enterring his 4th year. IIRC the average player plays 4 years. Is alot expected of a 5th rounder or is a GM getting a WR that can play WR in the NFL for 4 years, a good pick then. Scratch good, a fine pick then.
GM's(scouts) are wrong often. I think if they can predit who will at least have an average career(time wise) this might be OK.
To reiterate, nothing to get excited about but, I don't think it should be such a bad thing either.
On the other hand if some first rounder had McAddley's (lack of) stats I'd think it's a horrible pick even if he last 4 years.
What do you think?
And where are your 50k draft links?
A guy like Jason McAddley is enterring his 4th year. IIRC the average player plays 4 years. Is alot expected of a 5th rounder or is a GM getting a WR that can play WR in the NFL for 4 years, a good pick then. Scratch good, a fine pick then.
GM's(scouts) are wrong often. I think if they can predit who will at least have an average career(time wise) this might be OK.
To reiterate, nothing to get excited about but, I don't think it should be such a bad thing either.
On the other hand if some first rounder had McAddley's (lack of) stats I'd think it's a horrible pick even if he last 4 years.
What do you think?
And where are your 50k draft links?
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Tick
Footballguy
I just looked at guys who have become good. For the most part, that means a decent amount (~20+) of TDs. I gave Dante Hall credit for his special teams. If Kassim Osgood had been on the list, I would have counted him for his special teams work also. Yes, it's a decent return on a team's investment if a late-round guy sticks on a roster for a few years and contributes here and there, but if at the end of it they still only have 1 TD, the team likely would have been better off taking a chance on a different WR or another position.I don't understand what you mean about 50k draft links.Bri said:
Tick
Footballguy
Ah, that's probably me - they're in my signature. I didn't add the 08 rookie results... I should see if spec1alk has them up somewhere. I did make a spreadsheet for it, but only for my own drafting purposes, and I never took it to the point of being presentable.
I'll do another this year as soon as the Zealots rookie drafts start up after the NFL draft.
I'll do another this year as soon as the Zealots rookie drafts start up after the NFL draft.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Thanks but there is nothing perenially elite about our defense. We've gotten better lately though.
Tick
Footballguy
2005 wasn't bad, but man that's a crapfest.Something funny?Here ya go. Here are Pioli's last 5 draft classes. 1st round picks aside...show me where he has nailed his picks. Please...I'm waiting. I don't see any Tom Brady's on here. 2005 was fairly decent since he got 2 linemen out of the class. Nothing about these draft classes impress me anymore than any other GM's. For someone a lot of Chiefs fans think is the next coming of Bill Parcells, I don't see anything to get excited about. Maybe a slightly better drafter than Peterson.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Franklin has been cut by the Lions.
