bigreese82
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What do you guys think
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Will Jones give up a sack for first time this yr? (1 Viewer)
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fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Osi had two sacks against him already.Will he get beat by a Steeler DL??...not a chance.
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CrossEyed
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Is it really a blitz just because you send a linebacker? I don't think so. I think you have to send at least 5 guys before it is considered a blitz.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
For those of you who voted that Porter will beat Jones.....do you actually know who Walter Jones is?Porter can not beat Jones. Jones manhandles elite rushing DEs all the time. Porter is no match.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Big difference. I don't think the Steelers are going to line up and send their best blitzers one on one against the best left tackle in the NFL. They'll have guys unexpectedly dropping into coverage, delayed blitzes, and stunts on both sides of the line like they always do. It's not going to come down to Porter/Jones on every snap.**** Lebeau developed the zone blitz specifically to combat the west coast offense, so I'll be interested to see how the Steelers' defense does.
This is a great article about Lebeau's zone blitzing schemes on ESPN.com today.
**** Lebeau
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
It's a "finesse" defense, but it has to be played by a bunch of physcial players to be effective. The Steelers' secondary is very fast and physical, as are the linebackers. The defensive lineman have roles more often than not to get a little penetration and occupy blockers while the linebackers make plays. The zone blitzing just confuses the offense on their blocking assignments.The zone-blitz defense is a finesse defense. Porter will get his sacks not by beating offensive linemen, instead he will get his sacks by scheme.
Walter Jones is a great left tackle, and he's in for a pretty big test this weekend because they haven't seen a defense like this. I guess Dallas is the only one they faced all year that was really close, but they aren't nearly as talented as the Steelers led by **** Lebeau.
Cowher bringing him back to run the defense a couple years ago was a HUGE move.
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
Actually anytime a LB or DB rushes the passer vs. dropping into coverage it is considered a Blitz. If you play the 3-4 Defense, then any 4th rusher would be a blitzer. For a 4-3, it would be a 5 man Blitz.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
To answer a question. Yes, tackles are credited with sacks if they are beat by a blitizing linebacker they pick up or were supposed to pick up. I was following how the Texans assign culpability for sacks this year, and it just depends on who got beat or missed an assignment. RBs get nailed for giving up sacks too. Sometimes they are nobody's fault (but the scheme).
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
By most expert accounts Walter Jones is the best O-Tackle in football. No doubt about it. However he's not unbeatable (except in 2004), here are his sacks allowed in recent years:
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2005: 2.5
2004: 0
2003: 8.5
2002: 3
2001: 2.5
2000: 6.75
1999: 6
1998: 6
1997: 2
I don't doubt that Jones will neutralize Porter in one on one match-ups, but the beauty of the zone blitz is that **** LeBeau sends blitzers where the Seahawks line is weakest. Many times the Steelers defense is not as it appears. LeBeau's defense forces even the best o-lineman to think rather than react.
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2005: 2.5
2004: 0
2003: 8.5
2002: 3
2001: 2.5
2000: 6.75
1999: 6
1998: 6
1997: 2
I don't doubt that Jones will neutralize Porter in one on one match-ups, but the beauty of the zone blitz is that **** LeBeau sends blitzers where the Seahawks line is weakest. Many times the Steelers defense is not as it appears. LeBeau's defense forces even the best o-lineman to think rather than react.
BlueOnion
Footballguy
Well they certainly are not the same type of defense as the 2000 Ravens. The 2000 Ravens simply lined up mano-y-mano beat you with a straight up defensive plan.I don't think "Finesse" is the right word, ask Carson, Peyton or Jake...I like DECEPTIVE...
DoctorDetroit
Chocolate Thunder
Maybe they haven't seen the 3-4 much but the fact is Carolina and the Redskins have defenses that are statistically and athletically as good as the Steelers. I'd take the Panthers D over the Steelers D in a second. Defensive schemes vary widely from team to team no matter what formations they run so just because the Steelers have a 3-4, doesn't mean they are any tougher to prep for than a Chicago, Carolina, or Washington. Also the zone blitzing can be beat if the offense plays a quick tempo game with mutiple formation looks. Denver's zone blocking is also something that is challenging to prepare for but it can be beat. Seahawks have team speed on offense like Cincy or the Colts with a lot better offensive line. So I don't think the Steelers have really faced an offense like Seattle's either, making for an interesting chess game.It's a "finesse" defense, but it has to be played by a bunch of physcial players to be effective. The Steelers' secondary is very fast and physical, as are the linebackers. The defensive lineman have roles more often than not to get a little penetration and occupy blockers while the linebackers make plays. The zone blitzing just confuses the offense on their blocking assignments.
Walter Jones is a great left tackle, and he's in for a pretty big test this weekend because they haven't seen a defense like this. I guess Dallas is the only one they faced all year that was really close, but they aren't nearly as talented as the Steelers led by **** Lebeau.Cowher bringing him back to run the defense a couple years ago was a HUGE move.
cstu
Footballguy
Sacks are going to come mostly from the right side of the line, not the left. Same goes for Pittsburgh's offense.Sacks given up and penalties by Steelers OL this year:LT Marvel Smith - 3.5 (3)LG Alan Faneca - 4.5 (3)C - Jeff Hartings - 3.0 (5)RG - Kendall Simmons - 2.5 (11)RT - Max Starks - 8.5 (4)Sacks given up and penalties by Seahawks OL this year:LT Walter Jones - 2.5 (3)LG Steve Hutchinson - 1.25 (0)C - Robbie Tobeck - 3.0 (10)RG - Chris Gray - 0.5 (3)RT - Sean Locklear - 5.5 (4)
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Steelers4Life
Footballguy
The defenses of Carolina and Washington are much different than Pittsburgh's in the style of blitzes they run. So, yes, that makes a 3-4 difference a different challenge to prepare for compared to a standard 4-3 that teams see regularly every week. Seattle's offense is without question as good as any offense the Steelers have faced this year. Like I said, since the zone blitzing defense that Lebeau originated and runs today was specifically designed to disrupt the West Coast offense that Seattle runs, it's going to make for a very interesting matchup. A lot of time has been spent focusing on Roethlisberger and the Steelers' running game versus Seattle's defense, but the other sides of the ball are just as intriguing.Maybe they haven't seen the 3-4 much but the fact is Carolina and the Redskins have defenses that are statistically and athletically as good as the Steelers. I'd take the Panthers D over the Steelers D in a second. Defensive schemes vary widely from team to team no matter what formations they run so just because the Steelers have a 3-4, doesn't mean they are any tougher to prep for than a Chicago, Carolina, or Washington. Also the zone blitzing can be beat if the offense plays a quick tempo game with mutiple formation looks. Denver's zone blocking is also something that is challenging to prepare for but it can be beat. Seahawks have team speed on offense like Cincy or the Colts with a lot better offensive line. So I don't think the Steelers have really faced an offense like Seattle's either, making for an interesting chess game.It's a "finesse" defense, but it has to be played by a bunch of physcial players to be effective. The Steelers' secondary is very fast and physical, as are the linebackers. The defensive lineman have roles more often than not to get a little penetration and occupy blockers while the linebackers make plays. The zone blitzing just confuses the offense on their blocking assignments.
Walter Jones is a great left tackle, and he's in for a pretty big test this weekend because they haven't seen a defense like this. I guess Dallas is the only one they faced all year that was really close, but they aren't nearly as talented as the Steelers led by **** Lebeau.Cowher bringing him back to run the defense a couple years ago was a HUGE move.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
I agree, but the 2000 Ravens were a 4-3, and had two tubs o' lard named the Goose and Sam Adams in the middle, which let Ray-Ray & Co. make all those great plays. Two totally different schemes, the Steelers knock the snot out of teams also, but go about it differently, using blitzes and punishing tackles. You make it sound like the Steelers are not a physical defense....Well they certainly are not the same type of defense as the 2000 Ravens. The 2000 Ravens simply lined up mano-y-mano beat you with a straight up defensive plan.I don't think "Finesse" is the right word, ask Carson, Peyton or Jake...I like DECEPTIVE...
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TheLaw
Footballguy
Kendall Simmons, not Kevin.Porter v. Jones will happen at times, but there will be other ways Porter gets tot eh QB. Pitt disguises their scheme (even better than in previous years because of the speed and reaction time of Troy) so that the line doesnt know which LB or DB is coming - or when. Delayed blitzes, guys coming up the middle and dropping back etc. . . o-line will hve trouble making their reads. Ask Indy. Hampton requires a double team . . . two Steelers come from the left side . . . what does walter jones do . . . block Porter or Troy??
ChromeWeasel
Footballguy
The definitions I've heard define a blitz as more than 4 men rushing. You arent blitzing the QB when you match up evenly with the offensive down linemen. Gregg Easterbrook had a big writeup on this on TMQ this week right on NFL.com. ESPN had a commentary from Jaws stating the same thing.
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I'm not sure that's the case. When they track the number of blitzes in a game, I don't think they consider sending 4 guys, regardless of their positions, a blitz.
